From the Carnegie Institution and the department of feelings, quite possibly the dumbest press release about climate I’ve ever seen. basically what they are arguing for is “don’t look at current and past data go with what we tell you” aka trust us, we are paid climate scientists with a model.
Climate change: Don’t wait until you can feel it
Washington, D.C.— Despite overwhelming scientific evidence for the impending dangers of human-made climate change, policy decisions leading to substantial emissions reduction have been slow. New work from Carnegie’s Katharine Ricke and Ken Caldeira focuses on the intersection between personal and global impacts. They find that even as extreme weather events influence those who experience them to support policy to address climate change, waiting for the majority of people to live through such conditions firsthand could delay meaningful action by decades. Their findings are published by Nature Climate Change.
Nearly every year, extreme weather events such as heat waves and hurricanes spur the discussion of climate change in the media and among politicians. This can create a window of opportunity for those seeking to enact policy aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions. But this window of opportunity could be delayed by decades due to the vagaries of weather.
“When support for doing something about climate change is based on personal observations of local weather, policymaking may end up being dictated by the roulette wheel of natural climate variability,” says Ricke.
Ricke and Calderia’s modeling studies show that within 50 years nearly every country in the world will experience the kind of extreme weather that can be a policy trigger. However, local natural variability in weather means that majority of people in each nation, particularly large countries like China and the United States, could personally experience these extremes for themselves either tomorrow or many years from now. If citizens do not support emissions reductions and other efforts to fight climate change until they experience extreme events firsthand, naturally-driven variations in weather could delay action by decades, Ricke and Caldeira found. They find that sound science should guide policy rather than the vagaries of weather. “Local weather is anecdotal information, but climate change is sound science,” Caldeira said. “Good politics can be based on a good anecdote, but good policy needs to be based on sound science.”
Jim Clarke says: April 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm ” …Joseph Goebbels”
Who of course learned it from “Mein Kampf”:
“All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.”
We gone a long way down this rabbit hole my friends. Most of the players in this scam participated in the US housing scheme. The ideologically useful idiots out to save the world being used by the connected for financial gain. Everybody wins until the music stops. Quoting a rapper “gonna start an escort service for all the right reasons” captures it pretty well.
norah4you says:
April 25, 2014 at 10:53 pm
So Climate alarmists needs behavior “science” today when their five minuits in spotlights have gone…
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Minuits? Altitude challenged Alaskans?
What do they expect people to do? Act now? Yes patrick, we are getting milder at night, on the Northern Tablelands, so other than don a jumper we can’t do much else. And remove frost intolerant pot plants inside. You should see my house in winter, like a jungle.
The remark has merit. If an astroid were hurtling toward earth, and we knew about it, we would not wait for it to hit to do something about it. The real issue is the ‘overwhelming scientific evidence’. It’s simply not there.
Charles, it is doubtful if a huge asteroid was hurtling towards earth, we could do anything about it, we are moving through space so fast to calculate would need a genius to change its impact or ground zero. Anyway, let’s hope this never happens for us to be proven wrong. I would imagine it would be like trying to kill a fly with a pea shooter.
“bushbunny says:
April 26, 2014 at 10:37 pm”
A signifigant event will happen. It *IS* inevitable! Question is, when. And can we can do anything to avert it is questionable, I’d say remote.
So, to my surprise, I did get an email response from Ken Caldeira, around 12:30AM. (I admit to riding the edge with my comments, I was interested to see what kind of response I would get. This came from his private gmail address.)
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Brad,
Do you make a habit of going around insulting people in ways that reveal your ignorance?
I have not been supported by any Federal money since I stopped working for a nuclear weapons lab in 2005.
I have taken unpopular positions such as supporting development and deployment of nuclear power plant and research into geoengineering. I have questioned the utility of creating voluminous IPCC reports.
It is pathetic that in your venality you would think I am motivated by the shallow concerns you suggest. Perhaps you should look inward. I feel sorry for you that you have reached a psychological state where you feel compelled to write such emails
Best,
Ken
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Ken Caldeira
Carnegie Institution for Science
Dept of Global Ecology
260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA
+1 650 704 7212 kcaldeira@carnegiescience.edu
http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab
https://twitter.com/KenCaldeira
Assistant: Dawn Ross
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I responded, asking him if he thought we had a “Climate Change” problem, what was causing it, and what are the solutions. I also asked for any links to his comments about nuclear power and IPCC report size. No response, lastly sent him a link to this post.
My favorite line from the old “Top Gun” movie.
“I’m not feeling it Goose!!
I’ve experienced some extreme weather I’ve never experienced in the last 30 years.
Fortunately, I’ve survived over 60 years so I’ve seen it before.
DaveE.
Those born after about 1990 will not have felt climate change, those of us born before then have sufferred greatly from the few 10th’s of a degree increase in temperature over our life time. It is a wonder that we survived!
“Despite overwhelming scientific evidence for the impending dangers of human-made climate change”…
That is a crock. How can ‘evidence’ be something that is “impending”? It hasn’t happened yet!
I think this article by Rieke and Caldeira well illustrate what is wrong with the mainstream climate science . Had they been looking from the start and in more depth into natural variability science which they strangely refer to as “vagaries of weather”, “roulette wheel of natural climate variability” and “anecdotal information” they could have helped society with useful science and information. Instead they now hang their hat on their failed version climate science which they falsely claim as “sound science” despite all the failed predictions which they are pushing on society in an aura of alarmism. Their so called” sound science” serves no useful purpose to society as it has proven to be quite unreliable and wasteful for formulating public policy
Brad says:
April 27, 2014 at 1:30 pm
“[caldeira:] I have not been supported by any Federal money since I stopped working for a nuclear weapons lab in 2005.”
Bolshewikipedia says
“Kenneth Caldeira is an atmospheric scientist who works at the Carnegie Institution for Science’s Department of Global Ecology”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Caldeira
So he must be financed by socialist crony/foundation money or by ballooning student tuitions; riding on the education bubble. Hmm, “Carnegie institution”; okay, so it’s socialist crony foundation.
“[caldeira:] It is pathetic that in your venality you would think I am motivated by the shallow concerns you suggest. Perhaps you should look inward. I feel sorry for you that you have reached a psychological state where you feel compelled to write such emails”
Calling climate skeptics crazy. A Lewandowsky. The cheap out for the typical warmist scare peddler.
“Don’t wait to” feel” climate change , act now.” .I seem to recall that the rule of thumb was that we should wait at least 30 years before we act to see if the current trend was real and that our theories are even valid
Maybe they meant to say, ” Don’t wait to” feel” climate change .,act now and give us still more free money now?