Best Dana-dodge™, ever

You just have to laugh. After being taken to task yesterday on the removal of IPCC language that was done purely to bolster his own lame argument about how preventing global warming is the “cheap” option, Dana Nuccitelli responds to the challenge from Dr. Richard Tol in comments at the Guardian article with the patented Dana-dodge™. As Tol notes,

Here is how Dana handles Tol’s charge about removal of the IPCC language, it’s hilarious!

 

 

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April 23, 2014 10:24 am

For the record, I am no fan of Anthony Watts.
I like Stereolab much better.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
April 23, 2014 10:26 am

Well, someone is going to have to explain that as it went right over my head.

Michael D
April 23, 2014 10:30 am

Stereolab is … like .. a band, right ?

hunter
April 23, 2014 10:34 am

Maybe Dana is not simply cynical. Maybe this is the best analysis he can do.
Perhaps we should pity him, trying to make sense of a world that is far more complex than his apparent ability to analyse.

pottereaton
April 23, 2014 10:42 am

Dana is limited by his ideology. Ideology is to science like war is to peace.

April 23, 2014 10:52 am

When I leave some of the numbers out I get an answer I like. I justify leaving the numbers out by claiming that “math is hard”. Let’s go shoe-shopping now, girls!

Mark Bofill
April 23, 2014 10:56 am

Dr. Tol,
I believe I looked at a powerpoint presentation of yours some time back that suggested that minor reductions in CO2 emissions are relatively easy or cheap but that the cost becomes progressively steeper the further you take the reductions. Am I remembering this right, and/or understanding it properly? My ignorant layman’s view was always that it seemed obvious that adaptation would be the cheapest way to go, but I’m an ignorant layman in this area.
BTW, thanks. I don’t care what Dr. Lewandowsky says about you, you’re all right. 😉

April 23, 2014 10:59 am

No. Bob Ward drummed in Subway Sect and Dexy’s Midnight Runners. He left just before they recorded Geno, which would put anyone in a foul mood for the rest of their life.

April 23, 2014 11:05 am

B
That is correct. The first bit of emission reduction costs very little. It is rapid and deep emission reduction costs that should get you worried.

AJB
April 23, 2014 11:16 am

Geno …

Bob on drums? (Dance Stance 1979) …

Mark Bofill
April 23, 2014 11:17 am

Thanks Dr. Tol.

April 23, 2014 11:19 am

“integrated assessment model”??? What is it with him and models? You need no model. It is called math. Math is used to CREATE models. Math is never wrong. But models easily are.

Bob Kutz
April 23, 2014 11:21 am

I’ve had exchanges with Nuticello (sic) before.
He has three very real problems with regard to his understanding and communication on climate change issues;
1) He actually isn’t very bright. Its not that he doesn’t try to understand. He simply isn’t capable. Some very complicated issues go right over his head. He isn’t capable of arguing the point because he doesn’t even understand it. Witness the above. He is clueless as to what you mean. Or, in the parlance common here; a liberal arts major.
2) He has absolute certainty with regard to the truth of the matter. Or, as you and I would call it; blind faith. There is no question in his mind. So you, in arguing against him, are either evil or stupid. Which is it? Yes, this is how his brain works. He isn’t concerned with your argument and to the extent he engages you at all, he’s just trying to work out if you are just too stupid to get it or actually evil incarnate.
3) He has no ethical concerns about lying, slandering, editing comments and stories on his website or just plain name calling when he is clearly in over his head. You see, he is in the right, so anything he does, which others may see as unethical or evil, is justified by his correct position on CAGW. Noble cause corruption as I’ve heard it referred to here.
This makes him a proper candidate to ignore. On every level. Don’t visit his site, don’t comment on stories he is involved with and most of all stop posting any news of or stories about him.
In short, if you ignore him he will go away.
He will never admit he’s wrong and he will always resort to slander and lies when cornered. Eventually he may figure out that he’s in the wrong but he still won’t admit to it. Instead he will pretend like he never cared about the CAGW issue and figure out some other cause to assuage his ego and make himself feel less dense.
I’ve dealt with his type before.

April 23, 2014 11:22 am

Richard Tol (@RichardTol) says:
April 23, 2014 at 10:59 am
No. Bob Ward drummed in Subway Sect and Dexy’s Midnight Runners. He left just before they recorded Geno, which would put anyone in a foul mood for the rest of their life
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You,re kidding! Saw Dexy at the Oxford Playhouse a few months after Come On, Eileen, broke. They were kinda hammy but energetic enough to be fun. Now that’s a few years back. Saw Costello & The Attractions there as well, Oliver’s Army time. Shame he started to take himself seriously.
But, I digress. The reproduced comment thread above is exquisite. Thanks. Silence is golden, eh, Dana?

Bill Illis
April 23, 2014 11:32 am

We are already spending 0.5% of GDP per year on green energy/climate change (which is a dead-weight loss) and it has not changed the CO2 emissions trajectory one iota.
Zero impact –> -0.5% of GDP/year
Do the math on what it takes to cut emissions by 50%. Sorry, there is no math here because we have no clue how much it will cost. $358 billion per year has got us nothing so far. 10 times Zero is still Zero.

April 23, 2014 11:43 am

Bill Illis says:
April 23, 2014 at 11:32 am

We are already spending 0.5% of GDP per year on green energy/climate change (which is a dead-weight loss) and it has not changed the CO2 emissions trajectory one iota.
Zero impact –> -0.5% of GDP/year
Do the math on what it takes to cut emissions by 50%. Sorry, there is no math here because we have no clue how much it will cost. $358 billion per year has got us nothing so far. 10 times Zero is still Zero.

‘Well, in OUR country,’ said Alice, still panting a little, ‘you’d generally get to somewhere else — if you ran very fast for a long time, as we’ve been doing.’
‘A slow sort of country!’ said the Queen. ‘Now, HERE, you see, it takes all the running YOU can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as
fast as that!’

John Whitman
April 23, 2014 11:49 am

Does anyone who has seen Dana Nuccitelli in person (as he speaks, behaves and interacts with others) think he is doing the Guardian and other media related stuff without full time mentoring assistance?
I have seen him in person at the 2013 Dec AGU meeting in San Francisco. I have witnessed his intellectual capability and interactive functionality first hand. Based on my first hand observation of him, I think he is monitored and coached continuously in real time by his non-skeptical blog associates in all his Guardian communications and related media matters.
Based on Tol’s comments/Tweets , I recommend to Dana Nuccitelli that he should fire any non-skeptical coaches and get some skeptical ones.
John

JJ
April 23, 2014 12:04 pm

Dana Nutticelli whines:

“The quote you complain is cut out is directly above it in the previous quote.”

That isn’t even true, let alone relevant. The cut out part is not in the previous quote. The two quotes aren’t even from the same report.
Now, here is what I find more interesting about Nutticelli’s post. It contains this assertion:

According to Hope’s model, the economically optimal peak atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is around 500 ppm, with a peak global surface warming of about 3°C above pre-industrial temperatures (about 2°C warmer than present). In his book The Climate Casino, Yale economist William Nordhaus notes that he has arrived at a similar conclusion in his modeling research.

So, 500 ppm and 3C above pre-industrial temps is economically optimal? That means that CO2 and ‘global warming’ will continue to make things better than they are now, for the lifetime of anyone reading this.
For the catastrophy to unfold, we have to first get better, then fall back to where we are now, then fall back even further to the pre-industrial status, and only at that point will civilization start to see net negative effects of anthropogenic CO2? And at the demonstrated rate of temp increase, it will be another 200 years before we even reach the peak of goodness, the optimum?
What were we worried about, again?

Don
April 23, 2014 12:05 pm

C.S. Lewis prophesied Our Dana in his brilliant dystopia-in-infancy novel, That Hideous Strength. Of character Mark Studdock, who had just written two newspaper columns full of manipulative propaganda spin and deception, Lewis wrote:
The more often he re-read the articles the better he liked them… It wasn’t as if he were taken in by the articles himself. He was writing with his tongue in his cheek—a phrase that somehow comforted him by making the whole thing appear like a practical joke. And anyway, if he didn’t do it, someone else would. And all the while the child inside him whispered how splendid and how triumphantly grown up it was to be sitting like this, so full of alcohol and yet not drunk, writing (with his tongue in his cheek) articles for great newspapers, against time, “with the printer’s devil at the door” and all the inner ring of the N.I.C.E. depending on him, and nobody ever again having the least right to consider him a nonentity or cipher.

LewSkannen
April 23, 2014 12:40 pm

Well my take away from this is the revelation of why Bob Ward is such a miserable type.
Fancy leaving (or being booted from) Dexys Midnight Runner before Eileen and Geno were released!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Mike
April 23, 2014 12:47 pm

Is anyone else curious as to where they get the money to pay for NUTicelli’s column?
As I understand it their finances are a mess and their biggest revenue sources are labor union donations, government job ads, and the BBC purchasing >10K copies per day. Could he be working for free (and being overpaid at that) or is his work being subsidized by Big Green?

Ed, Mr. Jones
April 23, 2014 1:08 pm

Bob Kutz says:
April 23, 2014 at 11:21 am
“I’ve had exchanges with Nuticello (sic) before.
He has three very real problems with regard to his understanding and communication on climate change issues; ….He will never admit he’s wrong and he will always resort to slander and lies when cornered.”
Uhhh…. are you saying “Michael Mann Doppelganger?

David, UK
April 23, 2014 1:09 pm

Michael D says:
April 23, 2014 at 10:30 am
Stereolab is … like .. a band, right ?

I understand them to be a beat group, popular with the young and swinging generation. I’m not sure if they currently have a single in the hit parade but am told they are still considered to be a “happening” combo.

psheraton
April 23, 2014 1:19 pm

Dana Nuccitelli TV Interview on Typhoon Haiyan

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