After watching the movie “The Challenger Disaster” on the Discovery channel tonight, I thought it would be good for WUWT readers to read Feynman’s famous address. At the end, there is a quote from Feynman, which appeared at the end of his Challenger appendix report. – Anthony
Cargo Cult Science
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During the Middle Ages there were all kinds of crazy ideas, such as that a piece of of rhinoceros horn would increase potency. Then a method was discovered for separating the ideas–which was to try one to see if it worked, and if it didn’t work, to eliminate it. This method became organized, of course, into science. And it developed very well, so that we are now in the scientific age. It is such a scientific age, in fact, that we have difficulty in understanding how witch doctors could ever have existed, when nothing that they proposed ever really worked–or very little of it did.
But even today I meet lots of people who sooner or later get me into a conversation about UFO’s, or astrology, or some form of mysticism, expanded consciousness, new types of awareness, ESP, and so forth. And I’ve concluded that it’s not a scientific world.
Most people believe so many wonderful things that I decided to investigate why they did. And what has been referred to as my curiosity for investigation has landed me in a difficulty where I found so much junk that I’m overwhelmed. First I started out by investigating various ideas of mysticism and mystic experiences. I went into isolation tanks and got many hours of hallucinations, so I know something about that. Then I went to Esalen, which is a hotbed of this kind of thought (it’s a wonderful place; you should go visit there). Then I became overwhelmed. I didn’t realize how MUCH there was.
At Esalen there are some large baths fed by hot springs situated on a ledge about thirty feet above the ocean. One of my most pleasurable experiences has been to sit in one of those baths and watch the waves crashing onto the rocky slope below, to gaze into the clear blue sky above, and to study a beautiful nude as she quietly appears and settles into the bath with me.
One time I sat down in a bath where there was a beatiful girl sitting with a guy who didn’t seem to know her. Right away I began thinking, “Gee! How am I gonna get started talking to this beautiful nude woman?”
I’m trying to figure out what to say, when the guy says to her, “I’m, uh, studying massage. Could I practice on you?” “Sure,” she says. They get out of the bath and she lies down on a massage table nearby. I think to myself, “What a nifty line! I can never think of anything like that!” He starts to rub her big toe. “I think I feel it,” he says. “I feel a kind of dent–is that the pituitary?” I blurt out, “You’re a helluva long way from the pituitary, man!” They looked at me, horrified–I had blown my cover–and said, “It’s reflexology!” I quickly closed my eyes and appeared to be meditating.
That’s just an example of the kind of things that overwhelm me. I also looked into extrasensory perception, and PSI phenomena, and the latest craze there was Uri Geller, a man who is supposed to be able to bend keys by rubbing them with his finger. So I went to his hotel room, on his invitation, to see a demonstration of both mindreading and bending keys. He didn’t do any mindreading that succeeded; nobody can read my mind, I guess. And my boy held a key and Geller rubbed it, and nothing happened. Then he told us it works better under water, and so you can picture all of us standing in the bathroom with the water turned on and the key under it, and him rubbing the key with his finger. Nothing happened. So I was unable to investigate that phenomenon.
But then I began to think, what else is there that we believe? (And I thought then about the witch doctors, and how easy it would have been to check on them by noticing that nothing really worked.) So I found things that even more people believe, such as that we have some knowledge of how to educate. There are big schools of reading methods and mathematics methods, and so forth, but if you notice, you’ll see the reading scores keep going down–or hardly going up–in spite of the fact that we continually use these same people to improve the methods. There’s a witch doctor remedy that doesn’t work. It ought to be looked into; how do they know that their method should work? Another example is how to treat criminals. We obviously have made no progress–lots of theory, but no progress–in decreasing the amount of crime by the method that we use to handle criminals.
Yet these things are said to be scientific. We study them. And I think ordinary people with commonsense ideas are intimidated by this pseudoscience. A teacher who has some good idea of how to teach her children to read is forced by the school system to do it some other way–or is even fooled by the school system into thinking that her method is not necessarily a good one. Or a parent of bad boys, after disciplining them in one way or another, feels guilty for the rest of her life because she didn’t do “the right thing,” according to the experts.
So we really ought to look into theories that don’t work, and science that isn’t science.
I think the educational and psychological studies I mentioned are examples of what I would like to call cargo cult science. In the South Seas there is a cargo cult of people. During the war they saw airplanes with lots of good materials, and they want the same thing to happen now. So they’ve arranged to make things like runways, to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a wooden hut for a man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head to headphones and bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas–he’s the controller–and they wait for the airplanes to land. They’re doing everything right. The form is perfect. It looks exactly the way it looked before. But it doesn’t work. No airplanes land. So I call these things cargo cult science, because they follow all the apparent precepts and forms of scientific investigation, but they’re missing something essential, because the planes don’t land.
Now it behooves me, of course, to tell you what they’re missing. But it would be just about as difficult to explain to the South Sea islanders how they have to arrange things so that they get some wealth in their system. It is not something simple like telling them how to improve the shapes of the earphones. But there is one feature I notice that is generally missing in cargo cult science. That is the idea that we all hope you have learned in studying science in school–we never say explicitly what this is, but just hope that you catch on by all the examples of scientific investigation. It is interesting, therefore, to bring it out now and speak of it explicitly. It’s a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty–a kind of leaning over backwards. For example, if you’re doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid–not only what you think is right about it: other causes that could possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you’ve eliminated by some other experiment, and how they worked–to make sure the other fellow can tell they have been eliminated.
Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know them. You must do the best you can–if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly wrong–to explain it. If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition.
In summary, the idea is to give all of the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgement in one particular direction or another.
The easiest way to explain this idea is to contrast it, for example, with advertising. Last night I heard that Wesson oil doesn’t soak through food. Well, that’s true. It’s not dishonest; but the thing I’m talking about is not just a matter of not being dishonest; it’s a matter of scientific integrity, which is another level. The fact that should be added to that advertising statement is that no oils soak through food, if operated at a certain temperature. If operated at another temperature, they all will–including Wesson oil. So it’s the implication which has been conveyed, not the fact, which is true, and the difference is what we have to deal with.
We’ve learned from experience that the truth will come out. Other experimenters will repeat your experiment and find out whether you were wrong or right. Nature’s phenomena will agree or they’ll disagree with your theory. And, although you may gain some temporary fame and excitement, you will not gain a good reputation as a scientist if you haven’t tried to be very careful in this kind of work. And it’s this type of integrity, this kind of care not to fool yourself, that is missing to a large extent in much of the research in cargo cult science.
A great deal of their difficulty is, of course, the difficulty of the subject and the inapplicability of the scientific method to the subject. Nevertheless, it should be remarked that this is not the only difficulty. That’s why the planes don’t land–but they don’t land.
We have learned a lot from experience about how to handle some of the ways we fool ourselves. One example: Millikan measured the charge on an electron by an experiment with falling oil drops, and got an answer which we now know not to be quite right. It’s a little bit off because he had the incorrect value for the viscosity of air. It’s interesting to look at the history of measurements of the charge of an electron, after Millikan. If you plot them as a function of time, you find that one is a little bit bigger than Millikan’s, and the next one’s a little bit bigger than that, and the next one’s a little bit bigger than that, until finally they settle down to a number which is higher.
Why didn’t they discover the new number was higher right away? It’s a thing that scientists are ashamed of–this history–because it’s apparent that people did things like this: When they got a number that was too high above Millikan’s, they thought something must be wrong–and they would look for and find a reason why something might be wrong. When they got a number close to Millikan’s value they didn’t look so hard. And so they eliminated the numbers that were too far off, and did other things like that. We’ve learned those tricks nowadays, and now we don’t have that kind of a disease.
But this long history of learning how to not fool ourselves–of having utter scientific integrity–is, I’m sorry to say, something that we haven’t specifically included in any particular course that I know of. We just hope you’ve caught on by osmosis
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself–and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that. After you’ve not fooled yourself, it’s easy not to fool other scientists. You just have to be honest in a conventional way after that.
I would like to add something that’s not essential to the science, but something I kind of believe, which is that you should not fool the layman when you’re talking as a scientist. I am not trying to tell you what to do about cheating on your wife, or fooling your girlfriend, or something like that, when you’re not trying to be a scientist, but just trying to be an ordinary human being. We’ll leave those problems up to you and your rabbi. I’m talking about a specific, extra type of integrity that is not lying, but bending over backwards to show how you’re maybe wrong, that you ought to have when acting as a scientist. And this is our responsibility as scientists, certainly to other scientists, and I think to laymen.
For example, I was a little surprised when I was talking to a friend who was going to go on the radio. He does work on cosmology and astronomy, and he wondered how he would explain what the applications of his work were. “Well,” I said, “there aren’t any.” He said, “Yes, but then we won’t get support for more research of this kind.” I think that’s kind of dishonest. If you’re representing yourself as a scientist, then you should explain to the layman what you’re doing– and if they don’t support you under those circumstances, then that’s their decision.
One example of the principle is this: If you’ve made up your mind to test a theory, or you want to explain some idea, you should always decide to publish it whichever way it comes out. If we only publish results of a certain kind, we can make the argument look good. We must publish BOTH kinds of results.
I say that’s also important in giving certain types of government advice. Supposing a senator asked you for advice about whether drilling a hole should be done in his state; and you decide it would be better in some other state. If you don’t publish such a result, it seems to me you’re not giving scientific advice. You’re being used. If your answer happens to come out in the direction the government or the politicians like, they can use it as an argument in their favor; if it comes out the other way, they don’t publish at all. That’s not giving scientific advice.
Other kinds of errors are more characteristic of poor science. When I was at Cornell, I often talked to the people in the psychology department. One of the students told me she wanted to do an experiment that went something like this–it had been found by others that under certain circumstances, X, rats did something, A. She was curious as to whether, if she changed the circumstances to Y, they would still do A. So her proposal was to do the experiment under circumstances Y and see if they still did A.
I explained to her that it was necessary first to repeat in her laboratory the experiment of the other person–to do it under condition X to see if she could also get result A, and then change to Y and see if A changed. Then she would know the the real difference was the thing she thought she had under control.
She was very delighted with this new idea, and went to her professor. And his reply was, no, you cannot do that, because the experiment has already been done and you would be wasting time. This was in about 1947 or so, and it seems to have been the general policy then to not try to repeat psychological experiments, but only to change the conditions and see what happened.
Nowadays, there’s a certain danger of the same thing happening, even in the famous field of physics. I was shocked to hear of an experiment being done at the big accelerator at the National Accelerator Laboratory, where a person used deuterium. In order to compare his heavy hydrogen results to what might happen with light hydrogen, he had to use data from someone else’s experiment on light hydrogen, which was done on different apparatus. When asked why, he said it was because he couldn’t get time on the program (because there’s so little time and it’s such expensive apparatus) to do the experiment with light hydrogen on this apparatus because there wouldn’t be any new result. And so the men in charge of programs at NAL are so anxious for new results, in order to get more money to keep the thing going for public relations purposes, they are destroying–possibly–the value of the experiments themselves, which is the whole purpose of the thing. It is often hard for the experimenters there to complete their work as their scientific integrity demands.
All experiments in psychology are not of this type, however. For example, there have been many experiments running rats through all kinds of mazes, and so on–with little clear result. But in 1937 a man named Young did a very interesting one. He had a long corridor with doors all along one side where the rats came in, and doors along the other side where the food was. He wanted to see if he could train the rats to go in at the third door down from wherever he started them off. No. The rats went immediately to the door where the food had been the time before.
The question was, how did the rats know, because the corridor was so beautifully built and so uniform, that this was the same door as before? Obviously there was something about the door that was different from the other doors. So he painted the doors very carefully, arranging the textures on the faces of the doors exactly the same. Still the rats could tell. Then he thought maybe the rats were smelling the food, so he used chemicals to change the smell after each run. Still the rats could tell. Then he realized the rats might be able to tell by seeing the lights and the arrangement in the laboratory like any commonsense person. So he covered the corridor, and still the rats could tell.
He finally found that they could tell by the way the floor sounded when they ran over it. And he could only fix that by putting his corridor in sand. So he covered one after another of all possible clues and finally was able to fool the rats so that they had to learn to go in the third door. If he relaxed any of his conditions, the rats could tell.
Now, from a scientific standpoint, that is an A-number-one experiment. That is the experiment that makes rat-running experiments sensible, because it uncovers that clues that the rat is really using– not what you think it’s using. And that is the experiment that tells exactly what conditions you have to use in order to be careful and control everything in an experiment with rat-running.
I looked up the subsequent history of this research. The next experiment, and the one after that, never referred to Mr. Young. They never used any of his criteria of putting the corridor on sand, or being very careful. They just went right on running the rats in the same old way, and paid no attention to the great discoveries of Mr. Young, and his papers are not referred to, because he didn’t discover anything about the rats. In fact, he discovered all the things you have to do to discover something about rats. But not paying attention to experiments like that is a characteristic example of cargo cult science.
Another example is the ESP experiments of Mr. Rhine, and other people. As various people have made criticisms–and they themselves have made criticisms of their own experiements–they improve the techniques so that the effects are smaller, and smaller, and smaller until they gradually disappear. All the para-psychologists are looking for some experiment that can be repeated–that you can do again and get the same effect–statistically, even. They run a million rats–no, it’s people this time–they do a lot of things are get a certain statistical effect. Next time they try it they don’t get it any more. And now you find a man saying that is is an irrelevant demand to expect a repeatable experiment. This is science?
This man also speaks about a new institution, in a talk in which he was resigning as Director of the Institute of Parapsychology. And, in telling people what to do next, he says that one of things they have to do is be sure the only train students who have shown their ability to get PSI results to an acceptable extent–not to waste their time on those ambitious and interested students who get only chance results. It is very dangerous to have such a policy in teaching–to teach students only how to get certain results, rather than how to do an experiment with scientific integrity.
So I have just one wish for you–the good luck to be somewhere where you are free to maintain the kind of integrity I have described, and where you do not feel forced by a need to maintain your position in the organization, or financial support, or so on, to lose your integrity. May you have that freedom.
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For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
– Feynmans closing words, Appendix F – Personal Observations on Reliability of Shuttle
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I have to wonder, with what we observe today about how government funded science operates, what would Dr. Feynman say about it?
You are going off the deep end there Tony Mach. The government is no the problem per se but the government throwing truckloads of cash at scientists. It is the same with pharma – they throw truck loads (albeit smaller) of cash and expect results and I believe there has been a fib or 2 in that area also.
The idea of Feynmann at Esalen is a hoot. And the people at Esalen have been quite involved over the years in pushing feelings and beliefs instead of knowledge as the focus of schools. The individual Axemaker Mind is deemed not to be a good way to get to Riane Eisler’s Caring Economics.
I think Feynmann would come around to recognizing that the bad ideas in education are not an accident. Urie Bronfenbrenner, a psychologist whose Ecological Systems Theory is a metaphor created for political purposes now being taught under the Common Core Science and Social Studies standards to students as if it represented factual reality was an exchange student in the USSR during the early 60s. Under AN Leontiev. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/imitating-the-ussr-in-striving-to-discover-how-the-child-can-become-what-he-not-yet-is/ lays out their determination to take the Soviet psychological and pedagogical research and apply it in the West to citizens not ideologically trained from birth to see the effect.
Education “reforms” like CAGW makes more sense if you go back to the intentions of the creators of the Bad Ideas. To me it is reading Donella Meadows and more recent Club of Rome reports on what they sought to do when these theories were developed. It was never about hard scoence. It was always about getting power oover economies and societies to allow redistribution of resources within developed countries and from developed countries to Africa and South America.
Still is in Warsaw now.
I have to wonder, with what we observe today about how government funded science operates, what would Dr. Feynman say about it?
I really don’t know, what Dr. Feynman would say about how government funded science operates, but I think from his general ideas one can exclude that science ever will be corrupted by democratic power, and this is because science work ever is bound to an autonomic responsible integer person; there is no scientific integrity without an autonomic person.
There is a general difference between morality and science. Morality is a social idea from the spirit of a time and a location or nation. Science is the search and research of that what the timeless and spaceless structures of nature are.
Because of this, each acting of the government is supplied by morality and cannot corrupt science or the integrity of science. On the other hand the common ideas of democracy based in the people as the ideas of freedom, justice, truth and order of nature, leads to a financial support to autonomic persons that they can do their methods and conclusions. If there is a pot with money in the democratic community, it is no doubt that autonomic persons in science have to be supported for the Job. But at this phase of acting, there is no filter or amplifier on morality goals or pseudodemocratic decisions of morality biased politicans.
In Germany we have the situation that i.) a law is valid which protects the air from ‘bad emissions’, and ii.) that CO2 is defined as ‘bad emission’, and iii.) that § 16 in that law says that: “The fundamental right to the inviolability of the home (Article 13 of the Basic Law) shall be restricted.”
This claims in general if one runs his oven with trees and puts out the CO2 again, the trees have prior taken from the air, the police can come through the door and can confiscate the oven and let the home owner back in the cold.
There is an interesting 78 minutes video in German language on this end of democracy in Germany:
I do agree with many ideas of Dr. Feynman on science, but let me add some remarks. The arguments of Dr. Feynman are mostly fixed (and limited) on physically observables and/or physically action or reactions or functions. But science is not limited to physics only. There are metaphysic dimensions like logic, algebra, music (theory) or geometry, which cannot be an object of physics, simple because there are no observables to measure, and so the existence of it in the order of nature is only to be recognized by autonomic person, but not to be shown as observable. Even in physics there are recognitions like the law of conservation of energy, which needs recognition of an autonomic person, who recognized this as true.
A minor critique point is that every rejection like ‘pseudoscience’ must not be a valid method of science, but can be itself be ‘pseudoscience’, because the object can be an object, which is outside of the knowledge of the autonomic Person. For that the method of Ockham is not really the major method in science; I think the major method in science is empiricism. It includes the respect to the whole and can find so the structures of order of nature. It doesn’t helps if one takes one theory of many theories, if all theories are wrong.
V.
Marshalling evidence supporting your thesis (and ignoring or discrediting refuting evidence) is the legal method, not the scientific method. Most of our problems with miscarriges of justice have come about because of confirmation bias is the minds of investigating police and magistrates (discounting actual corruption, of course) and a good dose of scientific integrity would go a long way to helping eliminate many legal problems.
Undortunately, I think we live in a world which is going the other way – more legalistic and less scientific. What matters is now how well you argue your case, not the underlying basis of facts.
…Then a method was discovered for separating the ideas–which was to try one to see if it worked, and if it didn’t work, to eliminate it. This method became organized, of course, into science. And it developed very well, so that we are now in the scientific age.
It is interesting to consider the person who was mainly responsible for organising this.
This would be Roger Bacon – Franciscan monk – about 1214-1294. Not to be confused with Francis Bacon, who came much later. He proposed the development of an ‘experimental science’ undertaken inside centres of universal study ‘Universities’ developed for the purpose. They locked him up in the March of Ancona for being ‘troublesome’. Since he specified and documented exactly how this process should work, he is often termed ‘The Father of the Scientific Method’. Due to his experimental demonstrations in lectures, he was known in his day as ‘Doctor Mirabilis’ – Teacher of Wonders.
I note that it is the 800th anniversary of his birth next year. As far as I know, nobody has any plans to celebrate it.
David Cameron, British Prime minister yesterday said
“And I’m not a scientist but it’s always seemed to me one of the strongest arguments about climate change is, even if you’re only 90% certain or 80% certain or 70% certain, if I said to you there’s a 60% chance your house might burn down, do you want to take out some insurance – you take out some insurance. I think we should think about climate change like that.”
Yes David and what is the insurance premium on such a 60% chance. My mind inhabits a world where the approach of Feynman is central and I live in a world ruled by dystopian morons.
Robin says:
November 17, 2013 at 3:31 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/16/a-view-of-science-worth-reflecting-upon/#comment-1477543
People without feelings can’t think. You can look it up. Try this:
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/05/vulcans-nixed-y.html
Also look up thread at some of my experiences and thoughts about them. I’m a retired aerospace engineer. And I have to tell you that reason makes up less than 10% of the human universe. Even in aerospace – if you can’t negotiate the human part of the organization – the feeling part – you can’t get anything done.
Biocomputers do not work like silicon computers. And even the silicon varieties are subject to the initial condition problem and chaos (the mathematical kind).
Robin says:
November 17, 2013 at 3:31 am
The idea of Feynmann at Esalen is a hoot. And the people at Esalen have been quite involved over the years in pushing feelings and beliefs instead of knowledge as the focus of schools.
Well I have worked some of the Esalen stuff myself (I’m a retired aerospace engineer) and it works. The big toe may be connected to the pituitary through nerve endings in the brain. I don’t know if that is correct. But we HAVE found other such connections. See the link I left up thread.
As some one pointed out above. Scientists are not above pseudo science. And some things called pseudoscience may not be.
As sceptics, it behooves us to check our sources, and it is interesting to note that the scientist named ‘Young’, whose experiments in 1937 Feynman was so admiring of, is not actually well known or much cited. Indeed, there is often discussion as to whether he exists at all.
If anyone wishes to investigate this oddity, they might find this reference a useful place to start…
http://lesswrong.com/lw/3jx/the_decline_effect_and_the_scientific_method_link/
“Because we subscribed to this false ideal of rational, logical thought, we diminished the importance of everything else,” said Marvin Minsky, a professor at MIT and pioneer of artificial intelligence. “Seeing our emotions as distinct from thinking was really quite disastrous.”
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/05/vulcans-nixed-y.html
Dodgy Geezer says:
November 17, 2013 at 4:38 am
Also look up the history of the charge of the electron. Here is a start:
http://yclept.ucdavis.edu/course/280/Millikan.pdf
And this:
http://www.scientific-alliance.org/scientific-alliance-newsletter/observer-bias
— ” And, in telling people what to do next, he says that one of things they have to do is be sure the only train students who have shown their ability to get PSI results to an acceptable extent–not to waste their time on those ambitious and interested students who get only chance results. .”
I suspect that this is ultimately the corrupting influence on Climate Science. The gatekeepers have decided “what is”, and will only credential students whose mindset and experiments will agree with “what is.” By ensuring the priesthood isn’t corrupted by skeptical thought, they maintain the illusion of consensus… totally manufactured consensus, but that serves their purposes just as well as overwhelming proof.
Dodgy,
Speaking of rats you might find this rat experiment of interest. So much of our public policy is based on badly performed rat experiments.
kcrucible says:
November 17, 2013 at 5:00 am
I worked with a guy who wanted an EKG on a guy who was supposedly high PSI. I was the EKG maintenance guy. All he got from that experiment was null results. The PSI disappeared. Or may have been a statistical fluke in the first place.
Thanks jones
When it comes to climate change, we have to trust our scientists, because they know lots of big scary words
rtj1211:
You’ve described something that I’ve often thought. Perhaps the change of seasons, or placement of important celebrations during the first year or two of life are very important in the development of a personality and mind set. Personally I’ve found that people follow their “astrological sign” very well (I’m a scorpio). No, it’s not about the stars or planets, but in an earlier age those were probably the most accurate measures of time.
In my case, I started with the observation that people often match their astrological signs more than they want to admit, discounted the ancient belief that the stars and planets influence that, and started to ask what else changes fairly regularly in the earliest parts of a child’s life.
In something so ancient it is difficult to separate the fluff that has been piled up over time, and things like daily horoscopes and those little scrolls you can get or books defining “the year ahead” don’t exactly work either, or use vague enough language that you could read almost everything into the predictions.
Still, if I know someone’s sign I usually have a reasonable rough draft of their personality, with very few exceptions.
We are of two minds, are aware of one, and project the feelings of the second on our environment and others. The latter causes a great deal of rationalizing and cult beliefs, but seems irrational because it is metaphoric. The latter works in understanding through the sense of ‘grocking’ as Heinlein described ‘A Stranger in a Strange Land’, and provides creativity and Aha! moments rather than the linearity of rational thought. If there was no such thing as the ‘placebo effect’, we wouldn’t have to run double-blind drug tests. Guess which mind is suggestible and the implications there?
Interesting to think of plotting the charge of the electron as a function of time. Let’s do that for the predicted AGW temp increase. I bet we’ll find it’s decreasing and asymptotically approaching zero.
@M Simon says:
Speaking of rats you might find this rat experiment of interest. So much of our public policy is based on badly performed rat experiments.
That’s because, to a politician, society is composed of badly performing rats….
Interesting read. The fundamental rule of science is that you offer up reasons why something is falsifiable. If you don’t challenge what it is you seek to prove then it is not science. This philosophy is notably absent from the IPCC. Man made climate change is not a religion. It soon will be if we don’t challenge the thory. There are no certainties. Simply increasing the consensus is a cheap tactic being adopted by the IPCC
This post surprised me, because I have been following this site for 5 years now and normally consider it spot on,
However, you lost me when you asserted mind-reading cannot occur while in reality it is quite unscientific thinking to assume something is impossible just because we don’t understand a phenomenon well enough to predict or control it. In fact, there are now a number of devices being worked on to pick up brain wave patterns to control things via thought. My wife and I have so many times and so often surprised ourselves and others unexpectedly to us all in instances where we could not possibly have known what the other was thinking without some sort of mental communication involved but did, when not even in the same room. We can’t control it and don’t know how it works, but we know it happens. One of the most remarkable was several years back on a vacation. We were staying in a three room condo. She rose earlier than me one morning and went to another room for coffee and began reading a sci-fi novel from the beginning that she had not read before. About an hour later, I got up and joined her for coffee and started to describe to her in detail a dream I woke up from about people travelling in stasis to another planet light years away, how long it would take to get there, and what they discovered there. She stared at me for a moment, handed me the book, and told me to read the first chapter. I had never heard of the book before, and definitely had never read it. My dream exactly matched the first chapter of the book that she had been silently reading to herself while I slept. We don’t know how it works, or why, but we know it happens. My unscientific (ie – untested) theory is that it may be that the complex electromagnetic waves that all electrical activity including in our brains emanate may potentially be able via electrical induction to be interpreted somehow – not all that different from radio waves. While it happens a LOT to my wife and I, it also seems pretty random (though in reality it probably is not random; we probably just don’t have enough information to recognize what circumstances exist when it occurs.)
While I fully agree with the principal of using science and experiment to test theories, failing to understand a phenomenon well enough to know what conditions to establish to reproduce the phenomenon is not a disproof of the phenomenon. In fact, that’s quite the same problem the warmists have. Because they don’t know what natural phenomena could cause changes in climate and only have their own pet theories and garbage computer models about carbon dioxide, they assume it could not be anything else.
Thanks to “son of mulder” for my new-word-of-the-day “dystopian”, probably derived from “Utopian”.
The word “Utopian” was, to my knowledge, invented by Sir Thomas More. In 1516 More published the book “Utopia” which also espoused concepts of society that were remarkably modern for their time.
Nevertheless, More as Chancellor of England under Henry VIII had six men burned at the stake for heresy. No irony there.
About ten years ago, this would have been the fate of global warming skeptics, if the warmistas had their way.
It is wonderful to see what more-than-a-decade of “NO WARMING” has done to civilize the CAGW debate. (aka the “Other Divergence Problem”, the Mannopause, the “Hiatus Hernia”?)
But just wait until real global cooling starts. Who will the mob turn on then?
Actually “witch doctor” remedies do often work.
It is more than the placebo effect and also more than the fact that most illnesses resolve on their own whether anything is done or not. The average “witch doctor” has on hand a pharmacopoeia of herbal remedies many of which have demonstrable medicinal effects.
We could compare this with the list of recalled drugs based on research done by pharmaceutical companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs
Or a variety of procedures and practices that don’t work.
“Scientists reviewed each issue of The New England Journal of Medicine from 2001 through 2010 and found 363 studies examining an established clinical practice. In 146 of them, the currently used drug or procedure was found to be either no better, or even worse, than the one previously used…
“More than 40 percent of established practices studied were found to be ineffective or harmful, 38 percent beneficial, and the remaining 22 percent unknown. Among the practices found to be ineffective or harmful were the routine use of hormone therapy in postmenopausal women; high-dose chemotherapy and stem cell transplant, a complex and expensive treatment for breast cancer that was found to be no better than conventional chemotherapy; and intensive glucose lowering in Type 2 diabetes patients in intensive care, which not only failed to reduce cardiovascular events but actually increased mortality.”
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/medical-procedures-may-be-useless-or-worse/?_r=0
In the AR5 Summary for Policymakers the IPCC glossed over the developing cooling trend in global temperatures and so lost the last vestige of its scientific credibility and any claim to be a source of useful guidance on future climate trends for policymakers.
The IPCC’s remit was never to study climate objectively but to support the proposition that anthropogenic CO2 was the main climate driver and that increasing emissions would produce warming with catastrophic consequences by the end of the 21st century. To their eternal discredit too many of the Western scientific establishment abandoned common sense and scientific standards of objectivity and prudence in order to accommodate their paymasters.
The entire vast UN and Government sponsored AGW behemoth with its endless labyrinthine conferences and gigantic schemes for UN global control over the World and National economies is a prime example of the disasters Eisenhower warned against in 1961 he said :
“In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite. ”
Politicians were willing to forgo the trouble of thinking for themselves and forming their own commonsense views on climate so long as their paid scientists gave them scary forecasts to use to grab power and control over economic activity. This sinister symbiotic relationship enabled politicians to reward themselves ,their political friends and corporate sponsors while at the same time feeling righteous about “saving the world” Thus, with the enthusiastic assistance of the eco-left anti -capitalist movement and a supine or agenda driven MSM the CAGW delusion took over much of the Western world as a quasi religion which will not easily fade away even though, as the AR5 science section shows, it has no connection to reality.
For a non modeling- empirically based forecast of the coming cooling see
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com
Three words to sum it all up: Belief, doubt and knowing.