Guest essay by Paul Homewood
With special thanks to John Fuller and Agar012 (and Dr. Ryan Maue for review)
Now we have had a few days to reflect on the terrible events of last week, we can start to piece together some of the facts.
First of all, as it is the thing that really matters above all, fatalities. The good news, if it can be termed that, is that the death toll is likely to be around 2000 to 2500, according to the Philippine President. This is much less than the 10,000 originally feared to have died.
As far as the storm itself was concerned, the official statistics from the Philippine Met Agency, PAGASA, remain the same as those issued at the time. The table below compares these with the original satellite estimates put out by the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, JTWC, and that were subsequently used by the media around the world to claim that Yolanda was the “strongest storm ever”.
| PAGASA | JTWC | |
| Sustained Wind Speed mph | 147 | 195 |
| Gust mph | 171 | 235 |
http://www.ndrrmc.gov.ph/attachments/article/1124/Update%20SWB%20No.6%20re%20TY%20YOLANDA%205AM.pdf
http://www.webcitation.org/6KyWsFio5
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24878801
As far as sustained wind speeds are concerned, the PAGASA numbers are based on 10-minute averages, whilst the JTWC are on 1-minute averages, so the latter are always likely to be higher. Is it possible then to draw any conclusions?
According to NOAA NHC hurricane expert, Chris Landsea,
“One complication with the use of the 1 min averaging time for the standard for sustained wind in the Atlantic and Northeast Pacific tropical cyclone basins (where the United States has the official World Meteorological Organization tropical cyclone advisory responsibilities) is that in most of the rest of the world, a 10 min averaging time is utilized for “sustained wind”. While one can utilize a simple ratio to convert from peak 10 min wind to peak 1 min wind (roughly 12% higher for the latter), such systematic differences to make interbasin comparison of tropical cyclones around the world problematic. “
So on this rule of thumb,adding 12% to the PAGASA number would increase it to 164 mph, on 1-minute averages.
Jeff Masters also mentions that other studies suggest a ratio of 1.14, which would give a figure of 167 mph. He also points out that the Japanese Meteorological Agency estimate 145 mph, using satellite based 10-minute averages, therefore backing up the PAGASA version.
There is still, therefore, a big gap between JTWC and the others. A clue to this difference is given by Masters:
Haiyan’s strongest winds occurred on the south shore of Samar Island and the city of Guiuan (population 47,000), where the super typhoon initially made landfall with 1-minute average winds estimated at 195 mph. This estimate came from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center, and was based on satellite measurements. We have no ground level or hurricane hunter measurements to verify this estimate. Typhoon and hurricane maximum wind speed estimates are only valid for over water exposure, and winds over land are typically reduced by about 15%, due to friction. This would put Haiyan’s winds at 165 mph over land areas on the south shore of Samar Island.
So how does all this compare with earlier hurricanes and is there any justification for the “strongest ever” claims.
Hurricane Camille in 1969 is generally accepted as the strongest in recent decades. NOAA describe the wind speeds:
The actual maximum sustained winds will never be known, as the hurricane destroyed all the wind-recording instruments in the landfall area. The estimates at the coast are near 200 mph.
The “Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1969”, published at the time offers more detail:
Note that 180 knots = 207 mph, and 175 knots = 202 mph.
Quite simply Yolanda and Camille cannot be seriously compared with each other.
It is probably also worth taking note of these two statements.
Mr. Paciente [a forecaster with the Philippine government’s national weather agency] stated:
Before the typhoon made landfall, some international forecasters were estimating wind speeds at 195 m.p.h., which would have meant the storm would hit with winds among the strongest recorded. But local forecasters later disputed those estimates. “Some of the reports of wind speeds were exaggerated,”
The Philippine weather agency measured winds on the eastern edge of the country at about 150 m.p.h., he said, with some tracking stations recording speeds as low as 100 m.p.h.
Roger Edson, the science and operations officer at the United States National Weather Service in Guam said
195 m.p.h. winds would put the storm “off the charts,” but he acknowledged that satellite estimates require further study on the ground to determine if they were accurate.
Wind Gusts
As well as the discrepancies in sustained wind speed, there is also a big gap in the claimed top gusts. Chris Landsea also has a useful rule of thumb:
Gusts are a few seconds (3-5 s) wind peak. Typically in a hurricane environment, the value of the maximum 3 second gust over a 1 minute period is on the order of 1.3 times (or 30% higher than) than the 1 min sustained wind.
So, assuming 164 mph sustained winds, we would expect gusts of 213 mph. Whereas JTWC estimated 235 mph, the figure officially recorded by PAGASA was only 171 mph, which suggests the sustained speeds may have been slightly lower than we have assumed.
Atmospheric Pressure
The atmospheric pressure of Yolanda was 895 hPa. Within just the Western Pacific Basin, there have been 20 storms with lower pressure since these figures began to be reliably collected about 60 years ago. The lowest pressure recorded was 870 hPa, with Typhoon Tip in 1979.
Together with ties, typhoons with Yolanda’s atmospheric pressure or less can be expected every couple of years in the Western Pacific. Fortunately the vast majority of these never see land, or do so only after significant weakening.
Storm Surge
Both CNN and the BBC talk about 40 to 50 feet storm surges , yet the official Philippine body responsible for these matters, NOAH, using JMA models, on 7th November forecast about 5 meters or less for the day after when the storm hit land.
Once again, it appears that some media reports have been wildly overhyped.
Historical Trends
PAGASA show a couple of graphs plotting the number of tropical cyclones from 1948 to 2004. There seems to be little in the way of trends either way.

http://kidlat.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/cab/main.htm
There is a fear that although typhoons are not becoming more frequent, they may be getting more intense. However, given the lack of accurate data from even just a few decades ago, it is difficult to see how any real conclusions can be made.
Summary
It seems reasonable to conclude that Yolanda was a Category 5 storm, i.e. that 1-minute wind speeds were at least 157 mph. However, it was clearly a much less powerful storm than Camille, and arguably many others in recent history.
It is, fortunately, a rare occurrence for storms of Yolanda’s strength to cross land, but sometimes it does happen.
The sensationalist and over-hyped reporting of much of the media immediately after the tragedy was, in my view, utterly disgraceful. Perhaps in future, they might care to check the facts first.
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Gunga Din says:
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stewgreen says:
…. From the comments at Washington Post her article is going over like a lead balloon. At least she got the wind speeds correct. (Nod to Anthony, Dr. Ryan Maue and the rest who insisted on verifying the facts, looks like it is working.)
stewgreen says: @ur momisugly November 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm
…But not only is Wikipedia flakey the whole media chain is weak How can people just write 235mph without double checking ?
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Easy. The only time accuracy matters in the news is with sports scores. My Father-in-law who owned a small town news paper, wrote a story while his son doing his homework sat next to him at the same table. The story was about his son wining the science fair. Even with the source sitting next to him he STILL got the facts wrong.
Accuracy what accuracy? The only thing that matters is going to press on time and selling papers.
What exactly is the point of this comment? One source was the incompetent Ray Nagin and the other The Guardian who never met a capitalist they could tolerate. The final death toll for the entire span of Katrina was less than 2,000 according to the sources I can find, and most of those were due to the flooding in New Orleans caused by the collapse of the levies which was in turn caused by the corruption endemic to the political boards responsible for their upkeep and maintenance. Large cyclones, including those that weaken before landfall should be respected, especially if your house is less than 50ft above sea level. Storm surge of a former CAT5 that weakens to CAT3,2,1 just before landfall is nearly that of the CAT5 it was due to momentum.
Records are never broken. Guinness book of Records 2013 edition out in your local area. What a load of tosh. Just to the south west of the Philippines we have this news report.
This cyclone is no record breaker, not even close. It’s sad that I should be pushed into producing death records, and I won’t. This cyclone does not enter there.
In the meantime the low landfall hurricanes and low tornado count in the USA has been blamed on global warming. We must act then!
No one knows the wind speeds yet. Anemometers in the path of the storm might be designed to measure speeds of the required intensity, but few if any succeed in doing so. During Cyclone Yasi, the device at Willis Island packed up. As far as I recall, the other stations in the region were shut down, eg Townsville Aero was “off” for two days, no record of anything. My estimate at my place was 200km/hr based on degree of deflection of the N4 window glass. Best estimates come from structural engineering calculations based on what happened to traffic signs and their equivalent. That takes longer. Palm trees are no indication. Even shallow-rooted coconut palms will survive if their root mass is among rocks. Radar scatter might give a rough indication I guess. If there was a barograph record that survived at the airport that could produce a ball-park figure.
Nice Job Paul!
It is a shame people like Masters get more credibility than they deserve.
There is no way that storm produced 195 mph wind speeds at the surface with that pressure (895 Mb). I would even ask if the pressure was estimated?
To embellish disaster like these people did, for a false cause like CAGW, should be a crime!
I would even suggest that those who were negatively impacted by this propaganda file suit!
Pitiful really!
Don’t worry about the dead. Worry about the survivers. They must be going through the hell right now. Let’s keep helping.
ABC’s talks to WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud who we are told “balks” at making Haiyan/Yolands CAGW connections but he goes on to make them; & Jerry Velasquez, UN’s Office for Disaster Risk Reduction who says once in a lifetime typhoons are now once a year, kyoto expiring & this will provide an opportunity to re-think the framework & how we do disaster risk management:
14 Nov: ABC AM: Climate change worsening severe storm impact: UN
LINK: Read the WMO Provisional Statement on Status of the Climate in 2013 (hottest, strongest, widest, etc)
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3890515.htm
yet, on 11 Nov, in Deutsche Welle, Velasquez doesn’t even mention CAGW or any Climate Change connection – in fact, the word “climate” is not even in the DW piece:
11 Nov: Deutsche Welle: Natural disasters threaten Philippine growth
Every year, 20 typhoons hit the Philippines, a country also threatened by earthquakes and volcanos. These natural disasters have grave economic consequences
The direct costs resulting from natural disasters lower annual gross domestic product by 0.8 percent, Jerry Velasquez, coordinator for the Asia-Pacific region of the United Nations International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (UNISDR), told Deutsche Welle…
Economic growth of almost 7 percent is based on the rapid growth of the productive population. At the same time, the population is increasingly in danger “because people are willing to accept risk for short-term profits,” Velasquez says. Industries choose production sites on rivers and in coastal regions, and workers follow suit. As a result, more people are affected by storms and floods. The infrastructure and industrial facilities in emerging countries are also more easily damaged, says the UN report, due to weaker building structures and materials…
http://www.dw.de/natural-disasters-threaten-philippine-growth/a-17219526
however, Jarraud on the 13th in Deutsche Welle:
13 Nov: Deutsche Welle: UN report delivered in Warsaw foresees weakened defenses for future Haiyans
One tidal gauge at Legaspi in the Philippines showed a rise of 35 centimeters (14 inches) in average sea levels from 1950 to 2010, against a global average of 10 centimeters. The current average rise doubles the 20th-century trend of 1.6 millimeters (0.06 inches) per year.
“The risk is getting much, much higher, and vulnerability is getting higher,” Jarraud said…
http://www.dw.de/un-report-delivered-in-warsaw-foresees-weakened-defenses-for-future-haiyans/a-17223819
Homewood said in an earlier post:
Terrible though this storm was, it only ranks as a Category 4 storm
Now he is saying:
It seems reasonable to conclude that Yolanda was a Category 5 storm
Wonder what else he’s gone and got wrong!
The question that no one has asked is why do the Philippine Government allow such poor standards of building, the destruction of which caused the deaths of so many people ?
The UN won’t give up though…
Michel Jarraud has inside information.
It seems that tropical storms are now worse because of rising sea levels !!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-14/climate-change-making-super-typhoons-worse/5090724
There are many reasons why apparent sea levels rise, a major one being.tectonic subsidence. And a lot of that goes on around the Philippines.
http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/JO/pdf/5006/50060643.pdf
Presumably Mr Jarraud missed his geology classes.
Anthony, please put the RED CROSS donation link up on each post relating to this disaster.
and Paul,
Thanks for clarifying terminology and measurement methods / systems.
Our BoM has this page
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/the-10-biggest-storms-in-recorded-history.htm and I found this, others may find it interesting.
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/the-10-biggest-storms-in-recorded-history.htm – I suspect their numbers reflect wind “gusts”.
What of the effect of the forward velocity of the storm on the rotational velocity of the wind? Different storms advance at different rates.
No doubt Al Gore will have us buying up solar panels and windmills a plenty leaving no investment capital to build, oh say… Storm shelters.and sea-walls
Recently ex climate commissioner Steffen here in Oz was saying that we would be sitting in the 2nd floor lounge of the Brisbane airport overlooking the marine vista as Brisbane airport flooded – to which I commented, apparently the engineering challenged Will Steffen hasn’t learned yet that we engineers have useful tools called landfill, and sea walls – should we ever need them of course.
Everything that’s wrong with the climate gravy train right there – money is being wasted on the WRONG THINGS. Windmills are no good for managing climate change unless they are being used to pump out water from reclaimed land – a proven practical use.
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Has anybody picked up the phone and asked JTWC, what exactly their report was and how it changed?
People with ZERO build with what they can get, not regulations.
tmitsss says (November 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm): “Remembering Katrina”
Ever since Katrina, whenever a weather event is overhyped (“Warmest year EVAH!”; “Superstorm” Sandy; “Supertyphoon” Haiyan), I think back to “South Park” episode “Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow”:
Reporter: Tom, I’m currently 10 miles outside of Beaverton, unable to get inside the town proper. We do not have any reports of fatalities yet, but we believe that the death toll may be in the hundreds of millions. Beaverton has only a population of about eight thousand, Tom, so this would be quite devastating.
Anchor: Any word on how the survivors in the town are doing, Mitch?
Reporter: We’re not sure what exactly is going on inside the town of Beaverton, Tom, but we’re reporting that there’s looting, raping, and yes, even acts of cannibalism.
Anchor: My God, you–you’ve actually seen people looting, raping, and eating each other?
Reporter: No, no, we haven’t actually seen it, Tom, we’re just reporting it.
http://laflyer.buzznet.com/user/video/12665/
I read the AGW general claim that the warmer the climate, the warmer the oceans, the more intense the storms. I was curious.
If you look at the global temperature anomaly, there is a highly localized extremely temperature anomaly east/southeast of the Philippines It looks like the Typhoon had the perfect conditions to be an intense storm and unique event.
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/current/sl.jpg
Yet overall as presented, the frequency of hurricane and typhoons seem stable. The Atlantic never had a major US landfall hurricane this year.
In the western Pacific there have been no ***measured*** over water typhoon wind speeds for decades, ever since the Air Force stopped Reconnaissance flights in the `90’s.All supposed measurements are ***estimates*** based on satellite images. I can remember several times during the the nearly ten years I was in the western Pacific in Navy weather when a satellite image would indicate a typhoon winds were 30-40 knots greater than that actually measured. Typhoon Tip in 1979 was ****measured**** at 195 Gusts to 215 (don’t believe the 190 mph in Wikipedia,I saw the observations). I will believe ***measured*** wind speeds over ***estimated*** wind speeds any day.
Sorry, this is the link for weekly sea temperature anomaly.
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/wksst/5.gif
My previous comment was sea elevation anomaly which is more severe east of Philippines.
Reblogged this on Combyne's Weblog and commented:
A terrible typhoon, but it seems a little over hyped, please read on and judge for yourself.
Whatever the answer, our thoughts remain with those affected, and yes we have made a donation, as we did for the Boxing Day Tsunami.
Tip had slower windspeeds than some smaller tropical cyclones, in part from larger size causing more Corealis force in addition to centrifugal force that the pressure gradient force fights against for wind speeds. Keep in mind that the greatest Nor’Easters and Hurricane Sandy achieved barometric pressures typical of Cat-3 hurricanes, while wind speed was in low end of (or a little below) Cat-1-qualifying. Latitude also makes a difference – the farther from the equator, the more the Coriolis force matters.
Has anybody explained the 858 millibar recorded on:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/2013/tdata/wpac/31W.html
It shows 858 mb with 170knots.
Paul’s sentence is fine. You, however, misspelled “sentence” as “setence”.
Gunga Din;
That’s “in vain”.
Instead of blubbing at the COP saying ‘we can stop this now’ presumably by an immediate and huge reduction in Co2 emissions aided by a $100 billion contribution from us maybe he should first reflect if indeed he believes the ipcc he should first ask neighbouring nations to stop burning and exporting so much coal or in reality – most likely just interested in a big handout. And before the handwringing gets too far out of proportion clearly everyone has already forgotten the 16,000 who lost their lives with the Fukushima tsunami and just a few years ago the 5000 who died in Thailand tsunami. Everyone is just making a little too much of this natural episode and remember this no one in this area of the planet gave a tupenny damn about the slaughter of 200,000 Orangutans to facilitate palm oil plantations to make cash out of green or that this same area is now the biggest market for rhino horn causing the slaughter of another 483 rare species. There are 7 billion or more humans but just a few thousand rhinos, tigers and orangutans and guess who gets my support for aid certainly not humans, all of this whinging and weeping about human tragedy over sentimentalised emotional claptrap makes me weep. Get over it and move on at their birth rate they will make up the deficit within days.