I regularly get angry emails from people who are convinced that I’m single-handedly destroying the world with my opinion which is supposedly funded by “big oil” and the Koch brothers. Of course, having nothing else, that’s all part of the huge lie people like Dr. Mann likes to push, like this bit of libel over the weekend:
I’m dealing with Dr. Mann’s libel separately, but for the record I’ve never gotten a dime from the Koch brothers, or “big oil”, nor am I a “denier for hire”, and Dr. Mann knows this because he backed down from a similar claim in the past when challenged on it. Now, knowing that, he’s demonstrated malice, fulfilling one of the tests for libel.
That aside, and along the same lines, I recently got an email that included this claim:
“…your pathetic little attempt at pushing climate denialism isn’t working. Places like Real Climate and Skeptical Science are putting your little enterprise to shame.”
So, I thought I’d check and run some numbers to see if I’m shamed or not. Climateers often talk about their climate change cause being a “communications problem”. The numbers I’ve found seem to support that. Witness the new divergence problem:
These are rankings from Alexa.com Lower numbers are better, for example, Google is ranked #1.
It seems that it’s not just globally strong for WUWT, but in the USA too. WUWT is about 8 times more popular in the USA than “Skeptical Science” (SkS), and about 15 times more popular than Real Climate (RC). See the Rank in Country column three:
Look at the bounce rate under Engagement Metrics. Note that over 2/3rds of visitors to SkS don’t engage further. Note also the time on site. WUWT readers spend three times more reading than SkS and almost 9 times more than at RC.
Hmm, well since the email was sent anonymously (as most of the rants are), and I don’t know where the person was located, maybe they were talking about Australia where SkS is located? Maybe that’s where they are kicking our butt? Note column three, Rank in Country (AU):
Eh, guess not- the ratio holds. RC doesn’t even have enough traffic in AU to do a comparison.
Even with Dana Nuccitelli’s signing on with the Guardian and making sure that every time he bashes me and/or WUWT in his column he uses a [nofollow] tag or web citation link to prevent web traffic, it seems that he hasn’t succeeded in keeping WUWT down nor in significantly growing his audience on “Skeptical Science” in the USA or Australia.
Maybe it’s in the UK, where the Guardian is located. Surely SkS is beating me there with all that mass media driven Guardian backed firepower? Note column three, Rank in Country (GB):
Apparently not.
Let’s expand the comparison a bit. My subscription to Alexa allows me to run up to 10 comparisons. I identified what I think to be the most widely read websites on climate that aren’t mixed in with part of a larger organization, making tracking their stats impossible. This of course precludes places like “Climate Progress”, which are part of the larger “Think Progress” or the Guardian, which has many other departments.
While I wish I could run more than 10 on the same graph, here’s what I learned, again lower numbers are better:
Surprisingly, not only is WUWT leading the pack by a significant margin, it has now surpassed the newspaper “Grist” which has become something of a climate centric enterprise. They also have a paid staff.
Note also Al Gore’s “Climate Reality Project”, which is dead last. It appears that Gore’s million$ don’t translate into traffic. That’s some “reality drop” for him.
That bump that Climate Depot got in late July was from being featured on “The Drudge Report” by the way. Good show Marc Morano.
The metrics are also telling:
So to whoever wrote that email, thanks. It made me look deeper.
Truly, it looks like the climateers have a communications problem. People don’t seem to be engaging them like they used to. Personally I think people are seeing through it all, and angry, irrational, rants from people like Mike Mann don’t seem to be helping his cause at all. I can understand their cognitive dissonance though, because in the world where they exist, where everything is grant/funding driven, surely some former TV weather guy in Chico California and his collection of “flying monkeys” (in SkS parlance) can’t possibly be doing what he’s doing without some massive “big oil” funding behind it. Right? Surely the Koch brothers must be secretly paying for it, like Mann thinks. The truth is, WUWT exists on donations, some advertising revenue sharing managed by wordpress.com, and stamina. I couldn’t live on it, but I’m sure that won’t stop people like Dr. Mann from imagining all sorts of nefarious schemes, like his hilarious Christmas calendar episode.
I think that if I was not a broadcaster, I wouldn’t have the stamina to keep WUWT on the air. As a broadcaster, I learned long ago that dead air peppered with occasional feature rants doesn’t keep viewers coming back. It might work for awhile, but eventually people tire of it. That’s the lesson here. We can be thankful that we have so many examples of climate ugliness in the realm of the Climateers, because they drive people to the other side.
But most of all, thanks to my readers and volunteer moderators and contributors, because without all of you, WUWT wouldn’t be where it is.
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Jolly good. Contribution on its way.
Popularity certainly does not necessarily equate to the quality of the science presented or discussed. Especially considering almost all of the visitors to this site do not have the depth of knowledged of the subject presented to critcally evaluate what is being presented.
The UK Guardian newspaper probably has a reputation outside this country that does not reflect that it is actually a loss-making paper with a falling readership. Having its own TV network known as the BBC may help with this distorted view and is probably where most copies of the paper actually go.
One thing is for sure. If a lawsuit does proceed Mickey can’t claim he didn’t know what he said wasn’t actionable. I mean, he’d think it was actionable if somebody said he going bald!
My only concern would be that the people that pay his legal bills have pockets deeper than what Anthony gets from “Big Oil”. (Even my pockets are deeper deeper than that!)
That reads like a confession.
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I generally don’t point out things like this (so as to avoid being an easy target myself8-) but when someone claims that others don’t have “the depth of knowledged” they imply they have, well….
Janice Moore says:
October 14, 2013 at 6:08 pm
“We’re with you, A-th-y — all the way.”
Janice, I’m from FL USA.
But me Mum is a proud Scouse
Go Liverpool!!!
I have to ask – is Michael Mann even remotely among the best scientists the government should be giving our tax dollars to? Is what he does even science? I think not. You can buy advocacy a whole lot cheaper than what it costs for his version.
Anthony said:
” We can be thankful that we have so many examples of climate ugliness in the realm of the Climateers, because they drive people to the other side.”
No doubt.
I was originally a skeptic intuitively – trying to make long term projections on short term observations and proxy data just didn’t “compute”. There was also the statistical issues which a more mathematically oriented friend complained loudly about.
Then I started to read some of the consensus/alarmist propaganda and supposed “refutations” of what the skeptics were saying. All I saw was pettifoggery and ad hominem insults. That just caused me to do more reading and solidified my beliefs that there was something rotten in climate Denmark.
I saw more of such demeaning, insult driven argument in discussions on an unnamed forum, where it soon became obvious that I knew more than my opponents. That’s sad actually, because here I am near the bottom in technical knowledge. I’m just clued into what the issues are, a little bit, thanks to information I find here, mostly.
Stay strong, Anthony. You are doing great work and the louder the zealots scream, the better you must be doing!
Gunga Din,
Do you think think that most of he visitors here do have the depth of knowledge to critically evaluate the science? Do you equate popularity with quality of the science and analysis?
David says:
Sue for every cent he’s got..!
Trouble is its taxpayers’ money he’s got, he’s never actually earned a dime.
Joe says:
“Do you think think that most of the visitors here do have the depth of knowledge to critically evaluate the science?”
I do.
Most readers here are interested enough in science. Whether their knowledge is from self-education, or from a rigorous education, they understand the basic issue.
That issue is CO2=cAGW. The claim that “carbon” will cause catastrophic, runaway global warming. That is the basic issue, no?
Take away the “carbon” scare, and they are left with nothing. That is why Michael Mann is screeching and wailing like a stuck pig: his assertions are now being questioned by folks who are knowledgeable about science, whether their knowledge is self-made, or provided by institutions.
Most readers here understand the basic issue. They have the depth of knowledge to critically evaluate the science. That is why the alarmist crowd is losing the debate.
Well done Anthony, keep up the good work!
Joe,
I trust the popularity of WUWT no more than I trust the power of the AGW consensus: not at all.
@ur momisugly Ken L. says:
October 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm
My path to skepticism is very similar, except I started as an actual believer.
The behavior of the true believers, and the parallels of AGW belief to thos of other social dysfunctions inspired me to check the records more closely.
The AGW catastrophist case does not hold up under any sort of reasonable scrutiny.
WUWT are a class act. Thank You – please do not be distracted from your task by the drivel that leaks from the gutter.
Thanks for the warming how ever it got done. It caused all the moisture to come in to North East Texas from the Pacific and meet up with a cold front (ya cold front) and rain, rain rain.
On subject herein, in my humble opinion Mr. Mann will never get in the court house where Mr. Watts and his attorney would have a chance of massive discovery request. Even his source coded on the Hockeystick might be at risk for example.
He plays games.
He will hide behind the msm .
I for one would not hire him or work on a research team with him as it seems he has no use for real facts and honest results that can be tested by others or the real world of results of the structure built.
I’ll put in my two bobsworth too. This is a wondeful site and I wish I had far more time to read. We are moving soon internationally and I look forward to settling down a bit and really having time to learn more from WUWT and Jo Nova’s site…my favourites. Many thanks A-th-ny and all contributors. Annie.
For what it’s worth I’d respond to Mann with a press release focussing on all of Mann’s funding sources and then round up with the bigoil score. Manns bigoil vs Anthony’s bigoil. Mention Penn state and it’s complicity to libel in the release copiously.
Send copies of the press release to National and local news outlets in Penn states markets and the chancellors of the university. Make sure wattsupwiththat.com gets prominence – this is a marketting bonanza, handed to you on a silver platter.
bobl, according to Mann’s logic, he also gets funded by the Koch Brothers, as the Charles Koch Foundation donates to Penn State and Mann is at Penn State.
http://www.kochfamilyfoundations.org/pdfs/CKFUniversityPrograms.pdf
Joe says:
October 15, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Do you think think that most of he visitors here do have the depth of knowledge to critically evaluate the science?
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If I’m walking down a city street and a scruffy vagrant approaches me and wants to sell me a genuine Rolex out of a paper sack, which contains many, must I be a trained and certified watchsmith in order to excercise skepticism?
My signature-quote on FR is:
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. . . “Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.”
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and I think it is fully operative when it comes to this recent lunacy (loon-acy?) of Mann’s (and the usual ‘others’ as well) …
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“a genuine Rolex ”
I wish there was a forum where professional scientists (skeptics and pro-agw) could openly debate each other. But that it is not how it works, Instead in most cases, you have each side’s work presented by others who don’t publish their own work. And lay people who go to those sites often don’t get exposure to the other side. I don’t find that very satisfying.
@ur momisugly Rob Roy — you do your mum proud. Glad you enjoyed that video. Over 95,000 people singing at once is pretty wonderful.
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(re: Charles Nelson at 1:16am today)
The latest key ruling in Mann v. N.R.O. (National Review Online) Mark Steyn, and C.E.I. (filed Oct. 12, 2012) was on October 2, 2013:
If you go to the link below, you can see a bit more of the case details. On Oct. 9, 2013, Judge Weisberg (who replaced Judge Combs-Green) denied what was essentially Mann’s attempt to prevent the appeal by Mark Steyn, et. al.. When Steyn, et. al. could not get Combs-Green to reconsider her clearly erroneous Order Denying Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss last summer, the defendants appealed. They needed the case to stop while they do that and Judge Weisberg said, effectively, “Okay” and said, essentially, “Yeah, Mann, you can write a memorandum to protest this” (and the defendants, likewise, will file a memorandum countering Mann).
Superior Court, D.C. (U.S.A.)
https://www.dccourts.gov/cco/maincase.jsf
BTW: N.R.O., Steyn, and C.E.I., for all their popularity are not “deep pockets” — they can use all the financial help they can get, so, if you can, go to nro.com? or cei.org? and help them!
They are fighting on the front lines for Freedom of Speech.
DB,
“That issue is CO2=cAGW. The claim that “carbon” will cause catastrophic, runaway global warming. That is the basic issue, no?”
No not really. The issue is the science behind the theory. You have to have a pretty detailed knowledge of the research to understand that science or to criticize it.