We Must Get Rid of the Carboniferous Warm Period

Guest essay by Phillip Mulholland

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ). Temperature after C.R. Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htmCO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)

In a previous thread on WUWT published on 13 September titled Claim: atmosphere heats the oceans, melts Antarctic ice shelf, Sridhar Anandakrishnan, Professor of Geosciences, at Penn State is reported as saying:-

“Eventually, with all that atmospheric heat, the oceans will heat up.”

Well, that statement may or may not be true, but one thing we can be certain about, it does not apply to the seas around Antarctica.

A former colleague of mine had on the wall of his office a standard map of the World with the continents coloured by surface elevation. Unusually his map showed the icecaps of Greenland and Antarctica, not as featureless white regions, but instead coloured by the true elevation of the ice surface. What his map showed is the dramatic height of this surface, both over the bulk of Greenland and also over the vast majority of Antarctica, with layers of ice piled high into the atmosphere forming a plateau as tall as the mountain ranges of other continents.

His map demonstrated why Antarctica at 2,500m has the greatest average surface elevation of all the continents. With its high surface elevation that reaches a plateau maximum at Dome A of just over 4,000 metres, Antarctica stands taller in the atmosphere than any other landmass. With thin dry transparent air above it and the long months of the Austral winter, the ice surface of Antarctica acts as a gigantic thermal radiator that short circuits the atmospheric greenhouse effect and exhausts surface radiant energy directly into Space.

Throughout the winter season of darkness in Antarctica the thermal cooling of the ice surface generates copious amounts of cold dry dense air, this bitterly cold tropospheric air flows north off the icecap towards the Southern Ocean, descending to sea level as a gale force katabatic wind. The wind that Captain Scott referred to when he wrote “Great God this is an awful place”.

When the dense cold air reaches the coast at the Weddell Sea, its temperature is sufficiently low to flash freeze any open surface sea water, but the wind’s continuous force directs any newly formed ice north, away from the coast, creating a permanent open water gap The Latent Heat Polynya.

Oxygen is a reactive gas vital for the survival of animal life. In the oceans, oxygen can only be created either by biological activity in the surface waters of the photic zone or be directly dissolved from the atmosphere by the turbulent mixing of surface waves. In the planetary ocean sea water is layered by density and cold dense water is found throughout the bulk of the modern deep ocean. One of the challenges for Oceanography is to explain the presence and distribution of dissolved oxygen gas in the ocean deeps, given that it cannot have been formed there.

The explanation for the presence of this deep ocean oxygen lies in the existence of the Latent Heat Polynya in the Weddell Sea and elsewhere along the coast of Antarctica. Here, in the polynya, cold dense sea water is created, chilled and oxygenated by the katabatic winds of Antarctica and salted by the key process of brine rejection – dense salty water expelled from the continuously formed sea ice. This chilled sea water descends into the ocean as a gravity driven flow of high salinity brine that carries the dissolved oxygen vital for deep marine life down into the ocean depths. Truly it can be said that the polar icecaps are the lungs of the deep ocean.

The current climate paradigm recognises two distinct and separate states for world climate, the Icehouse World and the Greenhouse World. The Icehouse World is characterised by low atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, cold ocean deeps with high levels of dissolved oxygen and of course, polar continental icecaps with consequent low global sea levels. The Greenhouse World by contrast is characterised by high atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, warm ocean deeps with low levels of dissolved oxygen, no polar continental icecaps and therefore high global sea levels.

Geology shows us that in the past during the Cretaceous period, at a time when the world did not have any polar continental icecaps and global sea levels were high, the ocean deeps were filled with warm +15C dense salty oxygen-poor water creating the required conditions for global marine anoxia and the deposition of Sapropel, (biological carbon) in deep ocean muds of, for example, the Cretaceous Boreal Ocean. The implication here is clear, because warm sea water has a low dissolved gas carrying capacity, anoxia is preferentially associated with warm world conditions and the presence of sapropel in the Geological record is considered to be diagnostic of a Greenhouse World.

This dichotomy is a fundamental tenet of climate science. That climate can be in one state, either global cold – the Modern world, or global warmth – the Cretaceous world, but not in both states simultaneously. However this tenet is wrong and Geology proves that it is wrong. It is indeed possible to have a world with a massive continental polar ice cap, an Icehouse World diagnostic, and simultaneously anoxic prone warm water ocean deeps, a Greenhouse World diagnostic, and that world was the Carboniferous period.

Imagine a world with no South Atlantic Ocean, instead South America is joined directly to Africa, a world with no Southern Ocean, instead Antarctica is joined directly to Australia and also no Indian Ocean with instead the Indian landmass (along with Madagascar) filling the jigsaw puzzle gap between South America/Africa/Arabia and Australia/Antarctica. This southern continent is called Gondwana by Geologists. Imagine this gigantic Gondwana continent covered with an ice sheet that at its maximum extended from the South Pole across an area equivalent to all of Antarctica, Southern Australia, India, Madagascar, south & east Africa and southern South America combined. This continental icecap existed throughout the Carboniferous period. The modern world’s single polar ice continent of Antarctica is puny in size compared to this ice monster.

Victorian geologists were very interested in the Carboniferous period; the coal won from these rocks powered their industrial world. Studies of the Carboniferous strata in north Yorkshire demonstrated the existence of Cyclothems, repeated patterns of marine sedimentation that start with a coal seam, the remains of an equatorial forest being drowned and then often overlain by marine limestone. The limestones were then in turn overlain by river delta sediments as the coast moved seaward and the shallow sea retreated. Eventually the swamp forests regrew and another coal seam was created. The Victorians recognised that this rhythmic depositional cycle seen in the Yoredale deposits of Yorkshire was controlled by eustatic sea level change. That is global sea level variations controlled by the waxing and waning of a major continental icecap. We now know that the icecap responsible for the Carboniferous cyclothems was located on the Gondwana continent.

So the deep oceans of the Carboniferous world were filled with cold oxygenated seawater created by the katabatic winds of the Gondwana icecap, just like those from the modern world’s Antarctica? Well no actually the deep ocean of the Carboniferous world was anoxic just like the later Cretaceous ocean. Again thanks to the Victorian geologists who studied the Culm deposits of Devon they recognised that the Carboniferous Culm contained radiolarian chert, pseudomorphs of calcite and abundant organic carbon. They concluded correctly that Culm was a deep ocean deposit, and although they did not recognise the true size of the ocean they were studying, we know because of their work, that the muds were bathyal sediments deposited below the carbonate compensation depth far from land. The carbon content of Culm proves that the Carboniferous world ocean was anoxic and that abundant marine sapropel was created and deposited in Carboniferous marine sediments which now form part of the oil and gas shale resource which supplies the hydrocarbon fuel used to power our modern industry and commerce.

So how can we resolve this paradox of the Carboniferous with its simultaneous continental icecap of Gondwana and an anoxia prone global ocean? In Geology, the present is often the key to the past, and we have a key to unlock this conundrum. That key is the modern Red Sea.

The Red Sea is situated in the northern hemisphere tropics between Africa and Arabia. Under modern climatic conditions, located beneath the Hadley Cell, the Red Sea experiences high insolation, high evaporation and low fresh water input. These features combine to produce a Red Sea marine bottom water with the highest temperature (21.7C) and salinity (40.6 psu) in the modern world, even with its current low carbon dioxide atmospheric conditions.

Although the outflow volume of Red Sea high temperature bottom water into the Indian Ocean does not impact the modern deep water temperatures of the World Ocean, the key point is that Red Sea deep water produced under a modern tropical climate has a higher density at 1028.579 kg/m3 than any of the cold deep water currently produced in Antarctica by the modern world’s polar climate. For example Antarctic Bottom Water has a minimum temperature of -0.8C, a peak salinity of 34.6 psu and a consequent density of 1027.880 kg/m3.

If these two bottom waters, cold oxygenated polar deep water and warm high salinity low-oxygen carrying tropical bottom water, were allowed to meet, the density stratification principle requires that the densest marine water will occupy the deepest part of the ocean. Red Sea bottom water is denser than the coldest water Antarctica can produce. In a straight contest between the Red Sea and the Weddell Sea, the Red Sea wins every time.

So consider now the Carboniferous period with its shallow tropical seas and vast coastal equatorial coal swamps and remember that half of the surface area of our planet is located between 30 degrees North and 30 degrees South. The shallow seas of the tropics are huge solar energy collectors producing warm dense marine brines. Even in the Carboniferous with its gigantic Gondwana icecap the world was warm because in Oceanography marine water salinity trumps marine water temperature every time.

The Carboniferous shows us that with open ocean conditions the natural state of the world’s climate is as follows-

A polar continental icecap that produces cold oxygenated mid-level ocean water. This sea water is less dense and therefore is layered above the warm dense saline and anoxia-prone tropical water of the bathyal ocean depths.

I leave you with this conclusion. The Carboniferous was a warm ocean world, with low gas solubility in the deep sea. This produced an atmosphere suitable for land plants as they had an abundance of carbon dioxide gas to consume. Not for nothing does this period of Earth’s geological history have as its name the Carboniferous and yet in the mid-ocean above the deep abyssal anoxia, the pelagic fish also had an abundance of dissolved oxygen to breathe thanks to the presence of the Gondwana icecap and its coastal latent heat polynya.

This essay proposes that a fundamental tenet of climate science, that the world’s climate can be in one of two separate and distinct modes, either the Icehouse world or the Greenhouse world, is false.

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milodonharlani
October 6, 2013 10:47 pm

Climate “scientists” (so-called) need to get rid of every geologic & climatological eon, era, period, epoch & age before c. AD 1977 & after c. 1997 (when there was an accidental coincidence of a warming trend & rising CO2) in order to maintain their rent-seeking & ideology-driven fantasy, not just the Medieval Warm Period.

October 6, 2013 11:06 pm

Let us not forget Thomas Gold’s hypothesis that solid and liquid hydrocarbons are produced from wee beasties chewing mineral methane…

Rob
October 7, 2013 12:03 am

From any long term geological perspective, the earth is now in the midsts of an Ice Age.

Rational Debate
October 7, 2013 1:08 am

david eisenstadt says: October 6, 2013 at 3:16 pm

heliobactor pylori…otrher than that, youre sopt on.

Er, actually it’s Helicobacter pylori, David.

Rational Debate
October 7, 2013 1:13 am

To the MODERATOR:
I’m so sorry, I accidentally left off the “/” in the closing blockquote on my post – so it shows up as a second embedded quote rather than showing the last line as my reply to his quote . Could you possibly add the “/” to the blockquote that appears just after “youre spot on” to make it a closing blockquote instead of an opening one? Thanks so much, I’m sorry for the hassle, and no need to post this comment of mine of course.

Rational Debate
October 7, 2013 1:23 am

andyd says: October 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm

Panic over “Only web sites necessary to protect lives and property will be maintained.”

What does it actually take to maintain a web-site that’s up? Nothing! To take it down while still being paid is an act of sabotage.

They’ve also shut down the Amber Alert website now too. Obama is determined to try to make this 17% reduction in federal spending as painful and as publicly visible as possible in a disgusting display of political game playing (yes, there’s only 17% of the government “shutdown”). And to do so, he’s spending more money shutting things down than it costs just to leave them open – take the open air non-monitored/patrolled national monuments for example.
We can only hope that they shut down reams of AGW related activities – but what do you want to bet those things are all still – or at least mostly – funded? Lookie there – “Realclimate.org” is still up, no shutdown there. I guess it was determined that those folks are all “essential” to “protect lives and property.” Sigh.

Rational Debate
October 7, 2013 2:21 am

@Owen in GA says: October 6, 2013 at 7:28 pm

Churning: The Red Sea is a weak modern stand in for the great shallow seas that were between the Appalachian Mountains and the Rockies and in other places throughout the world during this time frame. (Being an American and not a professional geologist, I didn’t look too hard at the fine details of the rest of the world – I know bad me!) There are many reconstructions of the land masses available on line if you do a little searching, and you will see on one of those recreations that the oceans (particularly the tropical oceans) were predominated by very shallow seas. When perhaps a third of the ocean surface area is on seas that have only a couple of hundred meters of depth, the situation of WARM SALTY DENSE water on the bottom of the world oceans is not just possible, but almost required.

One site I ran across some time ago in this vein was the Scotese site – and it’s one of their maps used in this article. But they’ve also got a pretty good interactive map on paleogeography with animations, and if I recall correctly, discussions about what is known of the various temperatures, ocean depth/shallowness in general, and those sorts of things, for every era. They’re at: http://www.scotese.com/ and they have a pretty comprehensive site map you can find what you’re looking for or check to see what else you might be interested in also.

October 7, 2013 2:53 am

To go from 4000 ppm to 250 ppm is a big drop! It seems it has happened before. Would it be posible for the CO2 to go to zero – or below the level at which photosynthesis could be sustained?
CO2 is already a limiting factor for plant growth. At what point does it become not a limiting factor?

Samuel C Cogar
October 7, 2013 5:15 am

Great essay/commentary, Mr. Mulholland.
And I really don’t care how your resume reads, it’s the contents/context of your essay that matters to me.
Anyway, those who really detest and/or hate the facts that are written and referenced always want to know the name of the author/writer.
How is it possible for them to “attack the messenger” unless they know who the messenger is?
Also, I believe the proponents of CAGW need to get rid of the Cambrian Period also.
The effects of the Cambrian Period (see article’s graph) is directly contrary to the CAGW claims of death and destruction of plant and animal life if the near surface temperatures and atmospheric CO2 ppm continue to increase.
The Cambrian Period with its 5,000 to 7,000 ppm of CO2 and an average global temperature of 24 degrees C was cause for what is known as the “Cambrian Explosion”,
The Cambrian Explosion was the Period in earth’s history when like 98+% of all present day phyla, family and/or species evolved.
Evolved in climatic conditions with temperature at 24C and atmospheric CO2 at 5,000 to 7,000 ppm.
REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

Jim G
October 7, 2013 7:02 am

Excellent article. Very informative.

October 7, 2013 7:47 am

grumpyoldmanuk says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:32 am
” The next stage is to test the background of the writer [Philip Mulholland] to aid in forming an opinion.”

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grumpyoldmanuk,
Actually, I agree with you. It is preferable to have a complete and comprehensively integrated view of a person’s legally available public record when we are publicly discussing matters like climate science which are of high intellectual importance.
I see Philip Mulholland did disclose his given and legal identity (see his below comment). {thanks Mr. Mulholland}
grumpyoldmanuk, for the same reason, if you have not already done so in this thread, it is important to know your given and legal identity. Please be intellectually consistent and provide it forthwith

Philip Mulholland on October 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm
@grumpyoldmanuk on October 6, 2013 at 9:53 am
Is this the sort of grumpy response you would expect?
Philip Mulholland is my legal given name. There is plenty of information about me contained in my posts on WUWT.

John

Reply to  John Whitman
October 7, 2013 8:09 am

John Whitman 0747 7 Oct.
Dear John. No need to shout. 🙂 My name is Kevin Lohse and I have little scientific background, being a retired military officer. My claim to fame is staying 40 years married to a wonderful woman who is much more clever and successful than me.

October 7, 2013 7:57 am

” They concluded correctly that Culm was a deep ocean deposit, and although they did not recognise the true size of the ocean they were studying, we know because of their work, that the muds were bathyal sediments deposited below the carbonate compensation depth far from land. The carbon content of Culm proves that the Carboniferous world ocean was anoxic”
This is a very large leap. Without knowing the specific geology of Culm, the preservation of abyssal ocean floor is extremely rare tectonically and is probably only possible where such deposits are thrust on to continental shelves during collisions. The current compensation depth is much shallower in the Red Sea.
Excellent, provocative essay.

JimF
October 7, 2013 8:36 am

Phil Mulholland: Thanks for a great piece of geological arm-waving of real interest. These maps by Scotese and others show how a Red Sea-like environment may have existed on a broad scale. Somewhere I have seen Scotese’s maps with features like coal measures and glacial tills noted on the continental masses.
http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm
http://www2.nau.edu/rcb7/300moll.jpg

October 7, 2013 8:44 am

grumpyoldmanuk on October 7, 2013 at 8:09 am
Whitman on 0747 7 Oct.
Dear John. No need to shout. 🙂 My name is Kevin Lohse and I have little scientific background, being a retired military officer. My claim to fame is staying 40 years married to a wonderful woman who is much more clever and successful than me.

– – – – – – – –
grumpyoldmanuk,
Your reply is very much appreciated. Thank you. Glad to meet you.
I do appreciate it when I have some reasonable confidence in sincere discourse derived from addressing voluntarily self-identifying commenters.
Re: shouting. => usually if my comment is relatively long (like my previous comment to you) and if I have a salient point embedded it it that is not near the end of the comment, then I tend to use bold or italic for my point. Actually it helps me when others do the same in their relatively long comments. : )
I sincerely apologize if it seemed like shouting.
John

phlogiston
October 7, 2013 9:44 am

Great article, many thanks to Phillip Mulholland, there should be more articles like this here.
This is the way to address (brush aside) the speculative hypothesis of CO2 driving climate and find the true dynamics of long term climate change. Look at the history of global climate as well as geological, tectonic and biological trends, plus atmospheric CO2 and other gasses, over all timescales over the earth’s history.
Not by computer gaming with the most recent few decades of climate data.
The figure at the top of this article essentially destroys CAGW all by itself. Even more so if it were continued backward into the Cryogenian: CO2 levels rocket skywards, temperatures fall into the Marinoan and Sturtian ice ages.

October 7, 2013 9:48 am

@policycritic 10/7 7:15 pm
Methane is an organic compound. It is likely the first compound you study in Organic Chemistry.
That does not mean that it cannot be created by inorganic processes – it is found in hydrogen rich planetary atmospheres: CO2 + 4 H2 == CH4 + 2 H20 (exothermic at 164.9 KJ/mol). That is why you can find CH4 on the outer planets with out the requirement that they have life. Their gravity is sufficient to retain Hydrogen.
Titan is more of a mystery because it has CH4, but ultraviolet light should have destroyed it long ago through 2 CH4 + UV = C2H6 + H2 (escapes to space). This is an example of inorganic formation of short carbon chain molecules from hydrogen starvation in a reducing environment. Who knows?…. Maybe it is an indication that Titan does harbor life. 😉
What bearing does this have on the Russian abiotic claims for the formation of hydrocarbons? Earth is a hydrogen poor, oxygen rich planet. What hydrogen we have is locked up in water and hydrocarbons and other organic compounds. Carbon-hydrogen compounds in the presence of O2 and absence of H2 will tend toward CO2 and H20, not the reverse.
Even if the Russian authors are right that hydrocarbons CAN be formed at mantle conditions, it does NOT INVALIDATE the theory most of our oil and gas hydrocarbons are formed by the thermal cracking of organic material in sedimentary rocks. It is amazing what you can learn about the source rocks of oils using a gas chromatograph.
If we didn’t know oil sources after decades of geology, the fracking of shale oil proves a sedimentary origin of oil. Shale oil formations are so impermiable, we must shatter them by frac’ing to get the oil out. So how can that oil possibly migrate from somewhere else, much less from the mantle, into a rock consided otherwise to be a good reservoir seal?

Matthew R Marler
October 7, 2013 9:54 am

Good post. I hope that you can get it published.
“Sridhar Anandakrishnan, Professor of Geosciences, at Penn State is reported as saying:-Eventually, with all that atmospheric heat, the oceans will heat up.”
I am repeatedly struck by the things the CO2 believers say that ignore the actual mechanics of heat transfer in the environment and the inaccuracies of the equilibrium approximation that drives the alarmist warmism. Based on what is known about heat transfer within the climate system, that is not necessarily true. Within the inaccuracy limits of the equilibrium approximation, the entire predicted temperature increase could occur in the upper troposphere with no increase in the total lower level and surface heat content.
Caveat: the “report” might not be true.

October 7, 2013 10:35 am

@policycritic 10/7 7:15 pm (more)
SR:Away from tectonic plate boundaries, [the average Geothermal Gradient] is about 25°C per km of depth.
PC:How can that be uniform all the way down? Temperature increases with depth.
The geothermal gradient specifies how quickly the temperature increases with depth. The average gradient on the continental crust is 25°C per km. In the Mississippi Delta, it can be lower, such at 18°C.
critical temperature of salt water (somewhere around 384 C). The critical temperature of salt water is reached at a depth of 3 to 5 km.
Even if we use your 5 km deeper depth, that would indicate a geothermal gradient of about 370°C in 5 km or 74°C/km. That kind of geothermal gradient is found only around hot springs and volcanic areas; areas that are not known for oil and gas potential. Here is a map and chart of geothermal gradients.

October 7, 2013 10:57 am

@policycritic 10/7 7:15 pm (more)
I grew up near the Oil Sands (sort of). That stuff oozes out of the ground. It’s naturally occurring in the clear Athabasca River 200 miles upstream of Fort McMurray because it oozes out of the banks of the river. This stuff is bubbling up from deep within the earth, and some geologists up there said it was the enormous pressure of the formation of the Rockies that did it.
Yes. But the question is “how deep”? It is not the mantle. It is 4 to 8 km. Here is a good cross section of the foreland basin, migration and entrapment of the Athabasca oils. According to this, most of the oil comes from the deep water anoxic Devonian shales. The Cretaceous seaway eroded down to the Devonian as a subcrop and then, perhaps in the late cretaceous and start of the Canadian Rockies laid a quartz sand on it. Further mountain building through to the Eocene by thrusting from the west depressed the Devonian, gradually raising the Devonian shale’s temperature and pressure, cooking the organic matter converting to oil which then migrated updip into the subcropped Cretaceous sands.

tadchem
October 7, 2013 11:59 am

Much of what passes for ‘climate science’ involves verbal explication of presumed mechanisms.The weakness of this kind of argument is that it is biased towards positive feedback mechanisms: More A causes more B, more B causes more A, and it is a positive feedback that leads to ‘tipping points’ and ‘runaway’ effects.
Thermodynamics and nature conspire against such circumstances in favor of negative feedback mechanisms such as those discussed by Mr. Mulholland.
Positive feedback mechanisms reflect instability, and the systems in which they occur inevitably collapse. If the earth’s temperature had a positive feedback mechanism, it would have long since tipped to the extreme – it his had billions of years to become either an ice world or a greenhouse world, with no mechanism proposed for it to not stay that way.
The fact that it has not become either indicates there is a very powerful negative feedback mechanism that the climate scientists have not yet modelled. Verbal explications cannot account for this.
Bottom line to the climate scientists: Show us the measurements or STFU.

phlogiston
October 7, 2013 12:10 pm

An anoxic deep ocean layer is a bold and thought-provoking scenario. During the periods with the earth in the hothouse attractor, was the deepest ocean in fact anoxic?
Lets assume it was. It would not be as catastrophic as one might at first think. Yes, major extinctions such as the Permian/Triassic involved oceanic anoxia maybe all the way up to the surface. However today’s Black Sea is a reasonably healthy ocean despite its sulphurous anoxic depths after which it is named.
But extrapolate that to most of the worlds ocean basins and we have to deal with the phenomenon of anoxic upwelling, and what it would mean. In today’s oceans, the best known upwelling phenomenon is the Peruvian coast upwelling. This brings life-giving nutrient rich deep cold water to the surface fuelling the gigantic anchovy fishery off Peru and upwelling is responsible for the amazingly fecund biota of both South America’s and Africa’s west coasts. The colossal Antarctic upwelling described in Mulholland’s article sustains the enormous krill and other zooplankton populations of the southern ocean.
But upwelling would also have taken place in a hothouse attractor world with an anoxic deep ocean. Instead of life-giving nutrient re-supply to the surface, it would have been a baleful hand of death from below, erupting anoxia to the surface and causing major kills of fish and other marine life.
In large, the implication of abyssal anoxia is that the hothouse attractor world would have substantially less global ocean productivity than the coolhouse attractor in which ocean bottom water is aerated and energised by the thermohaline circulation driven be downwelling of cold, oxygenated polar water.
Thus the cooling Cenozoic would be characterised by strongly increasing global marine productivity and biomass as the surge in aerated cold downwelling brought oxygen to the ocean depths.
One legacy of this process is clear. We are priviledged to share the planet with the largest, most magnificent creatures ever to have lived on earth, the whales. These splendid gentle giants were drawn by inexorable evolution from the plains of Africa and India by the call of billions of fat krill in the southern seas. These are the children of the Cenozoic, the progeny of the cold downwelling of lifegiving oxygenated water to the depths of the worlds oceans. So the coldhouse attractor may be more barren on land but is much more fecund at sea.

milodonharlani
October 7, 2013 12:20 pm

phlogiston says:
October 7, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Well stated & reasoned. Thanks.
As previously noted on this blog, one of the animal species with a greater biomass than humanity is the Antarctic krill Euphausia superba.
The massive P/T Mother of All Extinction Events is associated not just with oceanic anoxia, but also euxinia (hydrogen sulfide abundance).

D. Patterson
October 7, 2013 12:42 pm

Julian in Wales says:
October 7, 2013 at 2:53 am
To go from 4000 ppm to 250 ppm is a big drop! It seems it has happened before. Would it be posible for the CO2 to go to zero – or below the level at which photosynthesis could be sustained?
CO2 is already a limiting factor for plant growth. At what point does it become not a limiting factor?

Earth’s atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide have been depleted from upwards of 100 Earth atmospheres composed of more than 96 percent carbon dioxide or more than 960,000 ppm of carbon dioxide to less than 300 ppm in one Earth atmosphere. So, where did all of that vast amount of carbon dioxide go to? Answer: a variety of processes removed the carbon dioxide from the Earth’s atmosphere ranging from geochemical processes to plant life eating the carbon dioxide. About 2,200 million years ago anaerobic lifeforms gave rise to aerobic lifeforms that consumed the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and released emissions of oxygen formerly bound up in the carbon dioxide molecules. Previously, Oxygen was only a trace gas in the Earth’s atmosphere, and what little was released into the atmosphere immediately oxidized with the iron and other reactive materials in the environment. Aerobic lifeforms, however, released such vast amounts of oxygen as they consumed nearly 100 Earth atmospheres of carbon dioxide, the iron lying around in the regolith and seas became oxidized as Iron oxide, and other oxide compounds such as Sulfur dioxide. Once these readily available supplies of oxidation materials were exhausted, concentrations of Oxygen began to build-up in the atmosphere of the Earth and in the seas. The availability of atmospheric and marine oxygen facilitated the development of more complex marine and terrestrial lifeforms. The Plant Kingdom pretty well removed nearly all of the carbon dioxide from the Earth’s atmosphere, until only trace amounts of the gas remained. And, so it is today.
Carbon dioxide is being replenished in the Earth’s atmosphere by a variety of processes ranging from geochemical processes to biochemical processes and combustion. All forms of oxidation of a carbon compound results in a release of carbon dioxide. So long as there are forest fires, prairie fires, rotting organic matter, and asteroid and cometary impacts, there will continue to be emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere; and so long as there is plant life around to eat the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, carbon dioxide will remain depleted to the minimum levels needed to sustain the plant life.
Human emissions of Carbon dioxide are so low in comparison to natural sources of Carbon dioxide emissions, current methods of measuring the Human emissions are difficult to measure with any accuracy. Simply put, Human emissions are dwarfed in comparison to natural sources of Carbon dioxide emissions. The slightest change in a natural source of Carbon dioxide emissions can therefore be far more influential than all of the Human emissions since the advent of the Industrial Age. To gain some idea of what is involved you have to compare all of the human sources of combustion and cement production to all of the Earth’s natural sources of oxidation of Carbon compounds. Imagine what that entails.

Gil Dewart
October 7, 2013 12:49 pm

Interesting article. Nice that someone else is bringing up Antarctica’s katabatic winds as a significant factor in global climate. Also, rare recognition of interactions among all of geography’s “spheres” – atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere.

sophocles
October 7, 2013 3:13 pm

D. Patterson says:
The Plant Kingdom pretty well removed nearly all of the carbon dioxide from the Earth’s atmosphere, until only trace amounts of the gas remained. And, so it is today.
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The animal kingdom helped it all along, too. The foraminifera (et al)
in the oceans build carbonate shells/frame-works which are deposited
on the sea bed. Each tiny shell/framework takes some CO2 out of circulation.
The deposits are eventually raised as limestones and chalks. You don’t
need to look far to see just where that 4000 ppm of CO2 Mega Years ago
disappeared to …
We make cement out of some of those deposits. And concrete out of the
cement.