The WUWT Hot Sheet for Saturday August 31st, 2013

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Since failures in climate science claims are on the rise, can we start naming climate prediction failures after scientists and activists? I can think of  a few: The Hansen Hiatus, for example.

Climate campaigners seem to think they have a winner with this takedown of elected officials who reject global warming science, in which fake news reports talk of the turmoil and tragedy created by Hurricane Marco Rubio, Hurricane James Inhofe, Hurricane John Boehner and more.

The trouble is, the science on a connection between hurricanes and global warming is going in the opposite direction, if the near-final draft of next month’s climate science assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is any indication.

Andrew Revkin at NYT’s DOT Earth

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Twitter / RyanMaue: El Reno tornado reclassified …

El Reno tornado reclassified from EF-5 to EF-3 highlighting some debate at the time about using radar wind data http://www.your4state.com/story/national-weather-service-re-classifies-el-reno-ok-tornado-to-ef-3/d/story/9i6cjSZVfUWnisUjHByPSg …

See also this WUWT story bringing the “widest tornado” claim into question.

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What? Polar bears are out on that disappearing sea ice in late summer?

To put all this into perspective, note that research in this region between 2000 and 2005 determined that, on average, only 3.7% of all Southern Beaufort polar bears spent time on land between mid-September and the end of October (Schliebe et al. 2008). As the estimated total population at that time was 1,526 bears (and still is), it means that on average, only about 56 bears spent time on land each summer in the early 2000s.

See Susan Crockford’s blog: Ten out of ten polar bears being tracked this summer in the Beaufort Sea are on the ice

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What? Algae don’t have enough atmospheric CO2 so they have to make their own?

A paper published today in Nature finds that marine algae, which evolved and thrived with atmospheric CO2 levels 15 times higher than the present, required a novel adaptation to adjust to the relatively low CO2 levels during the Cenozoic era, when CO2 levels were still more than twice current levels. According to the paper, this novel adaptation was to manufacture their own CO2 at the reaction site for photosynthesis, required due to a paucity of CO2 in the atmosphere. Algae evolved more than 500 million years ago, when CO2 levels were ~15-17 times higher than the present; current CO2 levels are near the lowest levels of the past 500 million years.

Algae evolved more than 500 million years ago, when CO2 levels were ~15-17 times higher than the present.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-paper-finds-algae-have-to.html

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Rowers give up. Another “save the planet from global warming” Arctic trek gets a reality check from Nature:

Severe weather conditions hindered our early progress and now ice chokes the passage ahead.

Our ice router Victor has been very clear in what lies ahead. He writes, “Just to give you the danger of ice situation at the eastern Arctic, Eef Willems of “Tooluka” (NED) pulled out of the game and returning to Greenland. At many Eastern places of NWP locals have not seen this type ice conditions. Residents of Resolute say 20 years have not seen anything like. Its, ice, ice and more ice. Larsen, Peel, Bellot, Regent and Barrow Strait are all choked. That is the only route to East. Already West Lancaster received -2C temperature expecting -7C on Tuesday with the snow.”

Richard Weber, my teammate to the South Pole in 2009 and without doubt the most accomplished polar skier alive today, is owner and operator of Arctic Watch on Cunningham Inlet at the northern end of Somerset Island. Arctic Watch faces out onto our proposed eastern route. Richard dropped me a note the other day advising: “This has been the coldest season with the most ice since we started Arctic Watch in 2000. Almost no whales. The NWPassage is still blocked with ice. Some of the bays still have not melted!”

…we’d require at least another 50-60 days to make it to Pond Inlet. Throw in the issues of less light, colder temperatures, harsher fall storms and lots of ice blocking the route and our decision is easy.

…Our message remains unaffected though, bringing awareness to the pressing issues of climate change in the arctic.

We row into Cambridge Bay, the official conclusion of our Mainstream Last First expedition – MainStream Last First

Despite that admission of failure due to so much ice, readers are hard pressed to find many pictures of it in their photo stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/95019072@N08/

I suppose showing pictures of ice is counter-productive to their mission, since like many fools before them, they expected the Arctic to be mostly ice free due to global warming. – Anthony

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Uh, oh

New paper finds cloud assumptions in climate models could be incorrect by factor of 2

More problems for climate models: A new paper published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Atmospheres finds that models must take into account not only the presence or absence of clouds but also how clouds are stacked vertically. The authors find that changes in vertical stacking of clouds can change radiative forcing assumptions by a factor of two [100%]. However, state of the art climate models do not take vertical stacking into consideration, and most global datasets of cloudiness also do not contain this information. “Clouds, which can absorb or reflect incoming radiation and affect the amount of radiation escaping from Earth’s atmosphere, remain the greatest source of uncertainty in global climate modeling,” and according to this paper, that uncertainty has just doubled from what was previously thought.

See: THE HOCKEY SCHTICK

Why the forthcoming UN IPCC Report is already toast

The IPCC is set to release its latest Assessment Report 5 [AR5] in about 1 month, yet the report will be dead on arrival and hopelessly out-of-date in light of recent inconvenient peer-reviewed papers published after the cut-off date for inclusion, as well as papers published before the cut-off date which the UN continues to ignore. Since almost the entire report hinges on the output of climate models, and those models have recently been falsified at a confidence level of >98% over the past 15 years, and falsified at a confidence level of 90% over the past 20 years, the entire report and its Summary for Policymakers are already invalidated even before publication.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-forthcoming-un-ipcc-report-is.html

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August 31, 2013 9:30 pm

.Luther Bl’t:
Thank you for raising the penetrating question. To paraphrase this question, is it not true that a climate model makes a conditional prediction (e.g., if GHGs rise at rate A, then surface temperatures will rise by rate Y, plus or minus amount Z)? The answer is NO.
In other terms, a “conditional prediction” is a “predictive inference.” Logic contains what we know about the rules by which correct inferences may be distinguished from incorrect ones. Thus, your question has logical significance.
In response to this question, I’ll point out that a “predictive inference” is an extrapolation from an observed state of a system to an unobserved but observable state of the same system. By convention, the observed state is called the “condition” while the unobserved but observable state is called the “outcome.” An example of a condition is “cloudy.” An example of an outcome is “rain in the next 24 hours.”
A pairing of a condition with an outcome is a description of an event. The complete set of these events is an example of a statistical population. No statistical population underlies the IPCC climate models. Hence, the predictive inference that is made by such a model is undefined.
In a model that possesses an underlying statistical population, events of a particular description possess relative frequencies. The numerical values of these relative frequencies relate to the numerical values of the associated probabilities. The various probability values map to the information that is conveyed to a policy maker about the outcomes from his or her policy decisions in advance of these outcomes.
For the IPCC climate models, there is no underlying statistical population. Hence there are no relative frequency or probability values. Thus, these models convey no information to a policy maker about the outcomes from his/her policy decision in advance of these outcomes (http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=7923 ) . .
It follows that these models are worthless for the purpose of making policy on CO2 emissions. The appearance that they are worthwhile for this purpose is a product of repeated instances of the equivocation fallacy on the part of global warming climatologists. Among these climatologists are skeptics as well as their opponents.

August 31, 2013 9:36 pm

rogerknights:
Thank you for the important response to my post. In responding to Luther Bl’t, I believe that I’ve responded to you.

JPeden
August 31, 2013 10:05 pm

Oldberg”
If the ipcc is only making projections and not predictions, then 1] it is not doing real science, and 2] there is therefore no basis upon which to argue that we should modify anything we humans are doing.

johnmarshall
September 1, 2013 3:53 am

The Watts GHE?

September 1, 2013 5:19 am

Bruce Cobb above misread what I wrote. I didn’t write “statists.” I wrote “stasists,” my term for folks eager to maintain existing energy norms in America. More examples: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/?s=stasists

richardscourtney
September 1, 2013 6:35 am

Terry Oldberg:
At August 31, 2013 at 8:25 pm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1405115
you provide what purports to be an answer to my detailed rebuttal of your nonsense which I provided at August 31, 2013 at 10:15 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1404682
However, your answer to me addresses none of the points I made and relies on the logical fallacy of ‘appeal to authority,’ and that authority is anonymous!
I explained that you are plain wrong that the IPCC makes an equivocation fallacy. However, if the IPCC did make that mistake then it would not be relevant.
I repeat the single most important point because you have again evaded it.
The IPCC says it adopts the projection with highest probability as being a prediction.
Whether or not you think that adoption is valid is completely irrelevant.
When the IPCC – or any other – makes a statement about the future which they say is a prediction THEN IT IS A PREDICTION.
It does not matter how or why they made that statement: if they say it is a prediction then it is.
And nobody can show it is not a prediction because only those making a prediction know why they made the prediction.

I repeat:
YOU ARE EXCUSING THE IPCC’S MISTAKES AND LETTING THEM OFF THE HOOK.
STOP IT!
Richard

September 1, 2013 7:23 am

richardscourtney says:
August 31, 2013 at 10:15 am

Terry Oldberg:
A model that projects is insusceptible to falsification. The climate models project. They do not predict.

The IPCC defines that a model’s projection with highest confidence is a prediction.

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The first model I ever made was of a P-61 Black Widow.
It didn’t fly either.

September 1, 2013 8:36 am

JPeden:
You are right.

September 1, 2013 10:40 am

richardscourtney:
In your post of Aug. 31, 2013 at 10:15 am you contend that I have yet again posted untrue nonsense and deplore the injustice of this infraction. However, your argument fails to support your contention.
My contention is stated in unambiguous and logical terms in the peer-reviewed article at http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=7923 . The referee for this paper, William Briggs, holds a master’s degree in atmospheric science and a PhD in mathematical statistics; he is a professor of statistics at Cornell University; formerly, he sat on the standing committee of the American Meteorological Society on probability theory and statistics. In a previously published peer reviewed paper http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/15/the-principles-of-reasoning-part-iii-logic-and-climatology/ I go over similar ground. The referee for the latter paper, Dr. Judith Curry, is a professional climatologist and is the chair of Earth Sciences at Georgia Tech University. In articles that are cited in the latter article, Gray, Green and Armstrong and Trenberth reach conclusions that are similar to mine. Gray holds a PhD in physical chemistry from Cambridge University and is a longtime IPCC expert reviewer. Armstrong is a professor at the Wharton School of Business of the University of Pennsylvania; he edits the Journal of Forecasting. Green holds a PhD degree and is a university professor. Trenberth holds a PhD degree and is a high-level professional climatologist.
As I reach my conclusion via a syllogism, this conclusion is true unless it can be proved that one or more of the premises to my argument is false or unproved. Your post of Aug. 31, 2013 at 10:15 am is devoid of such a proof.

richardscourtney
September 1, 2013 11:12 am

Terry Oldberg:
I am replying to your ridiculous post at September 1, 2013 at 10:40 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1405560
I don’t care if your rubbish was peer reviewed by Almighty God.
As I have repeatedly explained to you in several places including in this thread
YOUR ASSERTIONS ARE UNTRUE AND ILLOGICAL NONSENSE.
That somebody peer reviewed it does not stop it being wrong.
You say to me

As I reach my conclusion via a syllogism, this conclusion is true unless it can be proved that one or more of the premises to my argument is false or unproved. Your post of Aug. 31, 2013 at 10:15 am is devoid of such a proof.

Bollocks!
I gave a detailed explanation of your errors in my post at August 31, 2013 at 10:15 am

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1404682
Your reply is at August 31, 2013 at 8:25 pm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1405115
That reply ignored each and every of my points and provided a ridiculous appeal to authority.
I responded to your reply in my post at September 1, 2013 at 6:35 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/31/wuwt-hot-sheet-for-saturday-august-31st-2013/#comment-1405426
where, to make it simple for you, I only again explained your main error.
I yet again state your main error which you refuse to acknowledge.
The IPCC says it defines its projection with highest confidence as being a prediction.
If somebody makes a forecast that they say is a prediction then IT IS A PREDICTION.
So,
NOTHING YOU SAY CAN STOP AN IPCC PREDICTION FROM BEING A PREDICTION.
And it is not relevant whether you or anybody else agrees that they were right to make that prediction. Your daft assertion that the IPCC did not make a prediction lets the IPCC ‘off the hook’: indeed, that is why Trenberth has recently made the same illogical and untrue assertion that you keep flogging.
Efluxion of time has shown the IPCC predictions are wrong so nothing the IPCC says is worthy of consideration. And that is ALL the information which matters.
Claims that the IPCC did not make predictions attempt to demolish presentation and consideration of that important information.

Richard

September 1, 2013 11:31 am

Terry Oldberg says:
September 1, 2013 at 10:40 am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your entire response is nothing more than an appeal to authority. Your previous explanations of your position disregard the facts, which are pretty simple. The IPCC publishes emission scenarios and the expected results of each scenario, complete with error ranges:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/figure-10-26.html
You can call these projections, forecasts, hypotheses, or prophecies for all I care. No matter how articulately to state your case, that these are obviously predictions, and being taken as exactly such by the public and by policy makers alike, ought to be plain even to a child. Attempting to suggest otherwise is simply a blatant attempt to excuse the fact that the IPCC have utterly failed in their attempt to quantify temperature response to CO2 emissions. The emperor has no clothes, and while the entire crowd is pointing and laughing in response to the child’s point, you are trying to convince all of us that the clothes in fact exist. Who shall we believe, you? Or our own eyes?
Again, I’m not sure if you are intent on fooling us, or if it is yourself that you have fooled.

richardscourtney
September 1, 2013 11:51 am

davidmhoffer:
Thankyou for your post at September 1, 2013 at 11:31 am.
I provided a longer reply to Terry Oldberg that essentially says the same, but my post has been in moderation for nearly an hour, so I am pleased to see that yours has appeared.
Thankyou.
Richard

September 1, 2013 12:47 pm

Terry Oldberg says:
August 31, 2013 at 8:03 am
In claiming that the climate models have been falsified, this post at the Hockey Schtick errs. A model that predicts is susceptible to falsification. A model that projects is insusceptible to falsification. The climate models project. They do not predict.
Often, in the literature of climatology, authors treat “predict” and “project” as synonyms in making arguments, though the two words have differing meanings. Such an argument is an example of an equivocation. By logical rule, one cannot properly draw a conclusion from an equivocation. To draw a conclusion, including the conclusion that a “prediction” from a climate model is falsified, is an example of an equivocation fallacy.
For details on the equivocation fallacy in global warming arguments, see the peer-reviewed article at http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=7923 .

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So …. why take any action at all based on any of the “Global Warming” models’ projections?
Perhaps those who have grabbed onto the Hockey Stick have only done so because it was a handy club to beat the rest of us into subjection?

TomR,Worc,MA,USA
September 1, 2013 3:26 pm

Luther Bl’t says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:01 am
Bingo. Well said.

TonyM
September 1, 2013 7:53 pm

If you haven’t seen Dr. Murry Salby’s utter destruction of the AGW hypothesis through a stunning mathematical analysis of the data, it is worth your time. You will need some physics and Math background. Even if you don’t have that, you will be able to follow the logic. I don’t think the IPCC will be inviting him for a presentation any time soon. Here’s the link:

part of the introduction in German but the rest in English.

September 1, 2013 10:48 pm

richardscourtney;
I provided a longer reply to Terry Oldberg that essentially says the same, but my post has been in moderation for nearly an hour
>>>>>>>>>>
Well it is up now, and I had a major LOL moment due to your quip about the Almighty peer reviewing a paper. (I suspect it was the “G” word that caused the comment to go to moderation).
That said, it occurs to me that we’ve had Phil Jones state at one point that if there was a 10 year pause in warming, that the models would be “in trouble”. I forget who moved the goal posts next, but 10 years became 15. Then Ben Santer moved them again to 17 years. We’re now just months from the pause hitting that number, and now Pachauri is yammering on about the possibility of a 30 year pause.
For a bunch of people that supposedly never made any predictions, there’s an awful lot of spin going on to excuse the fact that the predictions have not only been wrong, but that the models have been falsified by their own standards three times in a row.

richardscourtney
September 2, 2013 2:31 am

davidmhoffer:
Thankyou for your post addressed to me at September 1, 2013 at 10:48 pm.
You make an important point when you conclude of IPCC supporters

For a bunch of people that supposedly never made any predictions, there’s an awful lot of spin going on to excuse the fact that the predictions have not only been wrong, but that the models have been falsified by their own standards three times in a row.

So, for the benefit of people joining this thread ‘from the bottom’ I repeat the reason why since 2001 I have been opposing the nonsense of “the IPCC does not make predictions”.
Efluxion of time has shown the IPCC predictions are wrong so nothing the IPCC says is worthy of consideration. And that is ALL the information which matters.
Claims that the IPCC did not make predictions attempt to demolish presentation and consideration of that important information.

Richard
Footnote:
I mention the following anecdote in case anybody doubts the length of time I have been refuting the nonsense of “the IPCC does not make predictions”.
In 2001 scientists from around the world were invited to give a briefing on the science of climate change at the US Congress in Washington, DC. The briefing was on the science of climate change, and it consisted of three Sessions each with a Chairman who was one of the invited speakers. Fred Singer chaired the first session, I chaired the second, and David Wojick chaired the third.
Questions were invited after the presentations of each session. Attendees included politicians and scientists from US Agencies.
Following my presentation one questioner made a rather long statement which contained no clear question. I replied,
“Sir, I agree much of what you say, but not all. For example, you say “The IPCC does not make predictions”. The IPCC says the world will warm. I call that a prediction.”
The questioner did not respond.

rgbatduke
September 2, 2013 5:54 am

Daily change in Jaxa and the NSIDC (using moving averages to eliminate some of the wiggles). On average, the loss rate is now 25K (which is declining by 2K per day until the average minimum date on September 12th).
http://s15.postimg.org/lmb48ucp7/NH_SIE_Daily_Change_Aug30_2013.png

Doesn’t anybody look at these graphs? This one is obviously — and I do mean obviously — complete nonsense. First of all, look at the sharp peaks and troughs on specific dates in the supposed five day running average over 33 years! Unless the Arctic is in the path of a giant gun wielded by space aliens who turn the gun on and off on specific days, there is no way in hell that this could ever happen. And EVEN if there were such a freeze/melt gun, there is no POSSIBLE way for the signal to show up in the five day running average but not in the daily average. This is so very, very obviously a computational bug.
A second fairly obvious flaw is that the noise in the 33 year curve is very comparable to the noise in the only annual curve shown. This is not “impossible” the way peaks in a smoothing average compared to the underlying unsmoothed data are impossible, but it is very unlikely in precisely the sense of a p-value. One generally expects the variance of the mean to scale in a very specific way (like 1/N) so that the noise in the mean should scale like 1/\sqrt{N}. With 33 samples, one should expect the mean fluctuation in the 33 year average data to be on average 1/5 or so the size of the mean fluctuation in the 33 year data.
Of course this analysis is complicated by the fact that the data presented is itself a slope, and a slope is the difference between points. There are many ways to compute slopes. The sharp peaks suggest that they are failing to do the subtraction of dates correctly in the algorithm so that periodically they are dividing by the wrong interval, and this in a smoothed version that should not, if done correctly, even DIVIDE by an interval, it should be fitting a least squares straight line to the window data (if not a quadratic or cubic) and using the result to compute the slope at the centroid.
Basically, all one learns glancing at these curves is that they were built by some graduate student who didn’t know what they were doing and didn’t debug the result, and that they have never been looked at by a single person who is competent enough in curve fitting, interpolation, and numerical analysis to eyeball the flaws.
If this is what passes for “science” in sea ice extent, we are all in deep trouble. The entire series needs to be redone, this time by somebody that actually has a clue as to what they are doing. If the artifacts are not from the processing, this is even worse, as then there is a systematic failure of the data. Since climate “data” these days is rarely raw observational data, but rather heavily reprocessed data (with lots of infilling and interpolation and extrapolation) it can both produce anomalous scaling of variance (indicative of hidden internal error in the infilling process) and, where done incorrectly, artifacts like the ones seen in the curves linked.
Sigh.
rgb
But if there is a bug in the five day running average code capable of producing peaks like this

rgbatduke
September 2, 2013 7:50 am

Terry Oldenberg writes: For details on the equivocation fallacy in global warming arguments, see the peer-reviewed article at http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=7923 .
Rarely have I ever had the dubious pleasure of reading a piece of sophist crap like this, “peer-reviewed” (whatever that means in the context of a blog post) or not.
In addition to openly inventing terminology to create an absolutely artificial distinction — model vs “modele” — the only thing this article does is carefully delineate the following circumstances:
a) If the climate programs, built on top of what are loudly trumpeted to be physical laws and a variety of stated and unstated assumptions, each of which can be treated as a bayesian prior and weighted with a prior probability of being true, are models, they can be falsified by ordinary hypothesis testing and validated to the extent that they prove successful in predicting the future. They are science. They aren’t even “good” or “bad” science — science doesn’t use value labels — they are merely computational models of a general theory that should be given weight according to their predictive success, in their own way no different from abstruse model computations in condensed matter physics or predictive models built with empirical methodology that predict the stock market, customer preferences, or tomorrow’s weather. Even models built without an underlying theory — neural networks, for example — are without exception called “models” by every expert in predictive modeling in the world, where yes, I am such an expert. Show me a single textbook that supports your utterly artificial, bullshit “disambiguation” and we’ll talk. I’ll cheerfully show you a small stack of very current textbooks on pattern recognition, predictive modeling, scientific modeling, and Bayesian statistics where no such distinction is ever made because it does not matter.
b) If the climate programs (specifically, of course, the General Circulation Models or GCMs), built on top of physical laws incorporated in code and a variety of stated and unstated assumptions (bayesian priors) are modeles, you assert that by definition, they cannot be falsified by ordinary hypothesis testing or validated. This does not make the slightest bit of difference in how sensible people should treat their “projections”. They are computational “modeles” of a general theory that should be given weight according to their predictive success because mere common sense suggests that it is stupid to give much weight to non-falsifiable models that don’t work, whether or not they are technically “falsified” (technically because of course they are falsified — all one requires to be able to apply a hypothesis test is a null hypothesis, and model or modele, there is always a null hypothesis. One can, and people do, apply hypothesis testing to far more abstruse “modeles” than GCMs — for example a “modele” that claims that prayer affects outcomes in disease, claims of pure prophecy, claims of astrology. Note well the “modele” company you are putting GCMs into — religious claims are all modeles, are they not? Otherwise, what is it, precisely, that differentiates the two beyond a mere statement of purpose, a desire to protect a modele from falsification (as do the purveyors of any religious belief)? Not a damn thing.
Not only is your distinction, then, between modele and model absolute nonsense — we already have plenty of adequate terminology for predictions made on a religious basis, even those that “claim” to be a science such as astrology or other numerological nonsense and we do not hesitate to reject the use of those predictions in common political discourse on the grounds of mere common sense when the predictions thus made fail to come to pass — it is incorrect in the specific case of climate science where the GCMs are without any possible doubt science based predictive models that are without question subject to falsification, one at a time. If this were not the case, they would not be science at all, you twit.
Let me be specific. In both AR4 and (leaked) AR5, there are graphs of the output of certain specific GCMs when a Monte Carlo method is used to add noise to the inputs and various possible future trajectories are computed. The spread of these trajectories is then used to determine both a mean future climate and the envelope of statistical uncertainty around that mean, with the implicit null hypothesis of “this model is correct”. Let us state this in clear statistical terms. If this model is correct (as a prior assumption) and if we perturb the initial conditions enough to obtain a reasonable statistical spread of future outcomes, then the future trajectory should lie withing that spread with a probability directly related to the spread. In other words, we expect the actual future climate to be in the densest part of the distribution of possible futures, and to spend relatively little time out on the wings of the distribution of possible futures.
For most of the models that contributed to the predictions of AR4 and AR5 — where AR4’s summary for policy makers did not hesitate to make statistical claims containing percentages, even though those claims are utterly indefensible using any form of statistical theory I’ve ever heard of and hence the IPCC is treating them like models, not “modeles”, they are called General Circulation Models, not “Modeles”, and where their predictions are being used to make statistical assertions about the future as we expect of scientific models, not religious “modeles” — the actual future climate trajectory, relative to the time of the model’s construction and application, is at the outside envelope of a spread consisting of hundreds of runs. It is even worse than this, as none of the runs have either the right noise or variation, and even the runs that generate the envelope to not spend all of their time down where the actual climate has been, but rather individually drop down for short periods to help collectively define the range. The p-value that can absolutely be estimated per model, for most of these models is well under 0.01. The models can, for the most part, be rejected at the 99% or better confidence level even over the last 15 years alone, one at a time.
Collectively, they aren’t even a model or modele, they are just a bad mistake, an utterly indefensible application of the terminology of statistics in circumstances that do not satisfy the axioms of statistics as prior conditions for its relevance.
Note well that there are in the literature genuine efforts, underway at last, to test the GCMs. A recent paper, for example, compared four GCMs applied to the same toy problem — a uniformly heated, untilted “water world” — and got four future climates that bore not the slightest resemblance to one another. This too, is an elementary hypothesis test and we can thus say that each model is at most 25% likely to be correct because they cannot all be correct and a toy problem like this probably does, in fact, have a unique solution (we just don’t know what it is). Or perhaps it does not — which is even worse news for climate modelers, because if we cannot even get a single consistent answer for a toy problem, then what is the point of modeling, or “modele-ing”, any sort of future with GCMs and pretending that it has some predictive, projecting, or prophetic force?
To conclude, the issue is not sophistry like an artificial and arbitrary distinction between “models” and “modeles”, it is a much simpler distinction between science and religion. Science is by definition strongly falsifiable and weakly verifiable — any claim, whether “predictive”, “projective”, or “factual” made by a numerical computation implementing a scientific theory or hypothesis, can be disproven easily and rapidly by contrary observational evidence, and while it can never be fully proven by observational evidence, to the extent that it is in continual agreement we accord the theory a greater degree of belief. Good science is not dogmatic, it is flexible and it changes to accommodate contrary evidence so that it incrementally approaches a consistent theory that works to cover all or nearly all observations (where it is “nearly” all we consider the science to be “unsettled” — that’s where “research” comes in).
Personally, I think that GCMs are science. Science that has, in many specific cases (there are many different, distinct GCMs) been shown to be in very serious conflict with observation, conflict so profound that we should correctly doubt both the implementation of known physics and the stated and unstated hypotheses and the code itself (there are many places a complex computationall theory can fail). That is, they are clearly models as their name asserts (unsurprisingly, since nobody ever heard of “modeles” before you just made the term up as a religious apologia). If they are not science, they are religion (which might offend the climate scientists who think otherwise) but as far as politician, scientist, or lay public alike are concerned it does not matter. Call them anything you like, they are still wrong, still fail elementary hypothesis tests at the level of 99% on up, they are still things that mere common sense suggests should not be taken particularly seriously as they almost certainly contain serious errors in fact and implementation and are not even sufficiently consistent to give a single answer in implementation to a problem that is far simpler than the Earth’s actually noisy, tilted, highly elliptical orbit and its crazy array of oceans, solid surface, and biosphere.
As a professional predictive modeler, one that uses modeles such as neural networks to obtain results that cannot be connected in any way outside black (bayesian neuromathematical) magic to the predictions, this really is the bottom line. A model, or modele, either works or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t it is pretty useless no matter what term you invent to try to excuse it from the necessity of actually working. If it doesn’t work, you don’t get paid.
rgb

September 2, 2013 8:52 pm

rgbatduke:
I gather that to distinguish between a model that makes a predictive inference and a model that makes no predictive inference is unimportant in your frame of reference. The former type of model conveys information to a policy maker about the outcomes from his/her policy decisions. The latter type of model conveys no such information. How (with the use of logic and without the use of obscenities or other emotional appeals) do you defend your position?

RACookPE1978
Editor
September 2, 2013 10:07 pm

Terry Oldberg says:
September 2, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Oldberg: I have read over 50 of your endlessly repeating diatribes about …. well, nothing. You have never once, in all of your cleverly illogical rephrasing of exotic terms, said anything useful.
If the IPCC, Trenberth, or Hansen or any other CAGW predictor and profit-maker did NOT explicitly and deliberately “make a prediction” about future CO2 use and the resulting catastrophically higher temperatures they are predicting to occur, then … WHY DO THEY CARE ABOUT FUTURE CO2 increases?
The ONLY reason they are spending years of their lives to “fix” a future problem is to hurt people now and kill innocents with THEIR energy policies and laws. Well, that and the money. The glory. the recognition. the Nobel Prizes. your respect and camouflage with additional propaganda and distractions. And, the ONLY way they can force those laws and blood-thirsty results upon the world is through the publicity of “future” catastrophes predicted based on projected future increases in CO2 releases causing future predicted temperature increases causing future projected catastrophic items of A, B, C, D, E,F,G,H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, AA, AB, AC, …..
Now, have I irritated you enough by deliberately mixing up every prediction and projected and possible scenario and future possible event of potential scenarios of unknown outcomes of predicated future events you so fervently want logically clear in your deluded world of scholarly debate? Look, your enthusiasm is no doubt (see, not even a prediction there!) well meant. But it is stupid and foolish.
The propaganda effect of their actions, statements, and programs IS killing people now by restricting wise and efficient energy use NOW. Your propaganda and drivel is serving to perpetuate those deaths.

rgbatduke
September 2, 2013 10:29 pm

I gather that to distinguish between a model that makes a predictive inference and a model that makes no predictive inference is unimportant in your frame of reference. The former type of model conveys information to a policy maker about the outcomes from his/her policy decisions. The latter type of model conveys no such information. How (with the use of logic and without the use of obscenities or other emotional appeals) do you defend your position?
I’m not quite clear on what you mean by “a model that makes no predictive inference”. Could you explain just what that is, please? Try to use examples from the list of definitions below. While you’re at it, please explain precisely what the point of the latter is, what it is going to be used for. Presumably not conveying information to a policy maker (or anyone else). Even a model airplane can be accurate or inaccurate when its features are compared to the actual airplane it is supposed to represent, and hence one can make predictive inferences about what a P-38 fighter-bomber from world war II looked like and how it might have flown from a tiny model P-38, and even a small child can tell the difference between a lump of raw plastic and a model P-38 as a representation of a real object.
And (with no intention of it being emotional or obscene:-) the small child calls it a model airplane instead of a “modele” airplane (unless, perhaps, he is from France) because the class of models is larger than the class of predictive models and in the English language and we use things called “adjectives” or context to differentiate between things that are in a common class or words with more than one definition. Predictive models, mathematical models (which are often predictive), geometric models (again, often predictive, at least representative), fashion models, model students (oops, it can be an adjective itself, can’t it), toy models, building models, to model an object (oops, looks like it can be verbed as well). Indeed, we can glance at a dictionary and find that there are at least 9 distinct meanings of the noun “model” that one can pick out from context or through the use of adjectival modifiers:
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
model
adj 1: worthy of imitation; “exemplary behavior”; “model
citizens” [syn: {exemplary}, {model(a)}]
n 1: a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process;
“the computer program was based on a model of the
circulatory and respiratory systems” [syn: {model},
{theoretical account}, {framework}]
2: a type of product; “his car was an old model”
3: a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor;
“the president didn’t have time to be a model so the artist
worked from photos” [syn: {model}, {poser}]
4: representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale)
[syn: {model}, {simulation}]
5: something to be imitated; “an exemplar of success”; “a model
of clarity”; “he is the very model of a modern major general”
[syn: {exemplar}, {example}, {model}, {good example}]
6: someone worthy of imitation; “every child needs a role model”
[syn: {model}, {role model}]
7: a representative form or pattern; “I profited from his
example” [syn: {model}, {example}]
8: a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; “she was too
fat to be a mannequin” [syn: {mannequin}, {manikin},
{mannikin}, {manakin}, {fashion model}, {model}]
9: the act of representing something (usually on a smaller
scale) [syn: {model}, {modelling}, {modeling}]
Note well that every one of them involves making, or being, a representation of some object or ideal or idea or system or process. There really is no need for disambiguation here, it is perfectly clear what different kinds of models are without it. It’s like claiming that evergreens cannot be trees, because TREES lose their leaves once a year in the fall and hence from now on pine trees must be called TROLLS — according to you — which makes it perfectly ok to cut down pines even in a national forest that protects, errr, trees. It’s all very exciting and clever, but who are you going to fool with such a claim?
So I have to ask — what is your point? If it has anything to do with general circulation models, those are, beyond any possible doubt, predictive mathematical models (definition 1 from the list above, obvious from the fact that they are computer programs and have the term “model” in their name which gives it away, d’ya think?) of the sort being used to advise policy makers in spite of the fact that they have for the most part been falsified, as such models certainly can be, and often enough have been in the past.
Sadly, your constraint on my speech means that we cannot then talk about how “obscene” it is to form the mean and standard deviation of a bunch of failed predictive models and present the result to policy makers with assertions of “95% confidence” that the future climate will like within thus-and-such a bound, as was done in AR4’s summary for policy makers, which I assume that you have read at some point. That’s not a model result, or a modele result, that’s simply a lie, an unconscionable abuse of statistics outside of any possibly defensible domain.
rgb

September 2, 2013 10:30 pm

RACookPE1978:
Your argument is illogical. If this topic is of interest, I’d be happy to expend upon it.

September 2, 2013 10:39 pm

In my previous post, please strike “expend” and replace this word by “expand.”

richardscourtney
September 3, 2013 12:27 am

rgbatduke:
Please do not refrain from attempting to correct Terry Oldberg because your corrections may be informative for others. But please be aware you have no hope of success in the attempt.
I have learned from very long experience that trying to engage Terry Oldberg in logical debate is like entering Alice’s rabbit hole.
This is because he makes irrational assertions based on
(a) his own definition of terms
and
(b) refusal to provide explanation of the terms he uses.
He often claims he can “expand” or “explain” what he says but – when pressed – he never does.
So far in this thread he has not used his assertion that the IPCC analyses are not valid because they do not analyse a set of data. But his history indicates he will make that claim and – when pressed – will refuse to define what he means by a set of data.
In other words, refutation of his nonsense is needed, but attempting to discuss with him is frustrating. Patience is essential and expression of frustration is informative for onlookers.
I hope this helps you to engage with him. My many, many attempts to engage with him have cost me some of the little hair I have left.
Richard