Cook's latest data release casts further doubts on his consensus paper http://t.co/MV4KaihOYB
— Richard Tol (@RichardTol) August 17, 2013
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Fox News Channel features Climate Depot on Obama’s bypass of Congress on climate regs: Morano: ‘The Obama admin. is being strategically brilliant by doing this behind the scenes. They’re going to achieve everything that cap and trade, and UN treaties and even a carbon tax would achieve through the invisibility of federal regulations’
Click here for Fox News article
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZnNlp7hUHo
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Oh noes! Apples losing their crunch to global warming
Mike (UK) says: Smithsonian claims:
Climate Change Is Altering the Taste and Texture of Fuji Apples
“If the last Fuji apple you grabbed from your grocery store’s produce section was mealier and less flavorful than the Fujis you remember from childhood, you’re not alone. Your memory isn’t at fault, and it’s not as though you’re particularly bad at picking apples, either.”
“To see if climate change might have played a role, they analyzed the long-term climate trends in the two regions of Japan where the apples were grown (Nagano and Aomori prefectures), and found that during the 40-year period, temperatures had gradually risen by a total of about 2°C in each location. Records also indicated that, over time, the date on which apple trees in the two regions began to flower steadily crept earlier, by one or two days per decade. ”
Nothing escapes the clutches of climate change!
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But warming makes more lobster…
A benefit from warmer coastal waters.
“As of August, the average 4 oz. lobster tail cost $13.25, according to Urner Barry. That still costs more than 2 pounds of shrimp, but it’s the lowest price in 11 years, as warmer water and fewer predators have led to an abundant supply of lobsters.”
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/16/news/economy/shrimp-prices/index.html
h/t to Roger Sowell
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Robert of Ottawa says:
I was just posting on Judith Curry’s site and I had two points well expressed and want to share them here. Effectively, they say why climate models are not real and why atmospheric feedback cannot be positive,
2) Computer models are not evidence, nor data. Computer models regurgitate the assumptions encoded.
5) For me, ultimately, as an engineer, if there was positive feedback in atmospheric dynamics, we would all have been fried, or frozen, several billion years ago. We are here, Therefore there is NO positive feedback.
Adding a further point now to this post, when accuracy of earlier temperature measurements, from say 100, 200 or 300 years ago cannot be 0.1C, then to express them as such by the arcane art of averaging introduces false precision. I’m sure you will find info on this at numberwatch.com, or if you google it. After all, that number should be 0.1C +/- 1C, so the precision is meaningless and false.
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FerdinandAkin says: Global Warming now causes Sea Level to fall!
(I read in on the internet, it must be true)
Australian floods lowered worldwide sea levels
Research Letters attributes a lot of the surprising sea-level decline to antipodean deluges — record-breaking rainfall that was linked to climate change.
http://grist.org/news/australian-floods-lowered-worldwide-sea-levels/
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An article in PLOS ONE (open access) titled “Environmental roots of the Late Bronze Age crisis” using carbon dated pollen analysis on Cyprus and coastal Syria, details the 300 year drought from 3200 years ago that ended the Minoan warming.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0071004
This climate shift caused crop failures, dearth and famine, which precipitated or hastened socio-economic crises and forced regional human migrations at the end of the LBA in the Eastern Mediterranean and southwest Asia.
Cause unknown but not industrialisation. h/t to Keith Minto
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This video is getting warmists all hot and bothered.
Chris Hayes: Fix climate change now – Salon.com
…we are at the front end of something new and distinct. If you ask people if we’re seeing more extreme weather events more often, they say yes.
Bill McKibben makes the argument to me that, basically, you have to worry less about persuading people, because what’s going to happen is the climate is going to do that for you.
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Revkin: “I don’t see evidence to back your assertion that the following point is firmly established: “2. Global temperature rise of 2 degree Celsius or more is likely to trigger severe, irreversible effects…””
Also (this is important because this determines the pace of response) I don’t see evidence to back your assertion that the following point is firmly established: “2. Global temperature rise of 2 degree Celsius or more is likely to trigger severe, irreversible effects…”
h/t to Tom Nelson
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From M Courtney on August 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm:
But the history we have is the history that was recorded, that survived, that was not and is not willfully destroyed.
For example, there was the first Trojan Horse. The Trojans weren’t stupid, many of them suspected the treachery. So they took the alleged gift to Athena, the great wooden horse, and set it afire to slay the soldiers inside.
And found the hollow horse contained not men, but more offerings to Athena, which was deeply embarrassing.
A fortnight later when the second horse appeared, with a note stating the Greeks were saddened to learn the Trojans had destroyed their gift but they have sent this replacement so the goddess would not be angry, the Trojans were determined to not look stupid and disrespectful again, and promptly brought the wooden horse into the city.
Which was the horse with the soldiers inside, as was planned.
You never hear about the first horse, because the Greeks thought it much better for the Trojans to be foolish enough to be dismissive of the Greeks and to ignore the warnings and be destroyed by their pride in one fell swoop. So that is the history the Greeks wrote.
Seriously, a ten year siege, both sides trying every trick they could think of, then the Greeks pretending they all left while leaving behind a single wooden horse, was all it took? I would think the Greeks pretending they had all left to draw out the Trojans into ambushes and traps would have already been tried twice, in the first year. How could anyone believe the “official” version?
Never liked Fuji apples, nor Red Delicious.
Apples paced in a high CO2 low oxygen environment in a cold store for 12 months taste mushy – we have these foisted on us yearly by our two major supermarkets in Australia.
@jim S –
Next you know Interior will be burning heretics (uh, skeptics) at the stake.
a) Enough obsessing with Cook already Dr Tol. Minute dissection of the survey gives it more credence. It looks too much like it’s of great important for us to get rid of this assinine works.
b) I’m aftraid we need a moratorium on tree ring proxies until we figure out how these woody blighters react to all elements of their environment. We’ve just learned that they slow down in growth with age and rings get thinner. Man if this is new, I’m afraid I’m not impressed with the venerable science of botany – none spoke up on this subject of last week. Com’on botanists, get this done before some engineer or climate scientist figures it out for you (this “thinning” certainly could be an explanation of the mysterious “divergence problem” – there’s a hint you can run with for a PhD (modern asterisked style)). So maybe the tree rings got so thin they fell on the Aztecs and killed them.
RACookPE1978 says:
August 17, 2013 at 11:04 am
OldWeirdHarold says:
August 17, 2013 at 10:38 am
This abstract from the Bronze Age article is a hoot:
“The Late Bronze Age world of the Eastern Mediterranean, a rich linkage of Aegean, Egyptian, Syro-Palestinian, and Hittite civilizations, ”
I could swear I saw Palestine in that list, and that was Israelite territory so your Jewish types are included. When confronted with “Who’s missing?” my first thought was “Minoan perhaps.” But what’s pleasing to see, though of little surprise these days, is the inclusion of the Hittites. Let’s remember there was a time when the secular world would not accept the existence of such a race when the only evidence for its existence was in the Bible.
That reminds me: climate stability is promised in the Bible too. Wonder if any atheists would be interested. Nah, guess not.
“Can climate science be rendered conservative-friendly? | Grist”
Yes. Stop lying.