Notes from a 'mole' in Al Gore's Climate Leadership Training

climate-reality-leadership-corps-190x240[1]A person who is actually a climate skeptic (and WUWT regular) applied for and was granted a training slot in Chicago this week. http://climaterealityproject.org/leadership-corps/ and has graduated as one of the 1500 people that attended the event.

For obvious reasons, I can’t reveal the person’s name, but I can reveal the communication I received last night.

The ‘mole’ writes:

I’m now a card-carrying, official Gore-bot.

(I took copious notes)

a) This was a super-liberal “kum-bay-ya” crowd as I predicted.  I kept many of my opinions to myself. The event truly did have a “religious cult programming” feel to it, similar to an Amway meeting I attended years ago – carefully timed applause, audience call & response etc.  Very bizarre.

b) Al Gore himself went through the entire slide show that we are supposed to use as his “Climate Leaders.”  Quite honestly, there is nothing new here, EXCEPT that there is no trace of the “hockey stick” graph that was so central to “An Inconvenient Truth”!! Amazing, considering how central that was to their arguments!

c) Instead, Al lumps data together year-by-year or decade-by-decade to show an ever increasing rise in temps.  He poo-pooed measurement inaccuracies, specifically mentioning UHI effects and saying that the scientists determined these were insignificant.

d) A couple graphs stood out – one showed the documented rise in temperature PRECEDES the rise in CO2 which he brushed aside as “typical variation.”  The only hockey stick was one that projected atmospheric CO2 over time, jumping up drastically in coming years.  I didn’t have time to write units down, but it was a big jump.  It could be a realistic rise with China & India bringing new coal plants online, I’d have to check any citations.

e)  Al’s presentation was heavy on his new concept of “dirty weather,” see: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/24-hours-of-reality-dirty-weather_n_2130344.html

To summarize, I didn’t see anything new or ground-breaking in this mess.  Most slides were BS, typical “this is due to climate, not weather” type stuff we kick around on WUWT all the time.  Hurricane Sandy, torrential rains in Pakistan etc.

Personal observations:

a) We skeptics ain’t liked much with them folks.  The “d” word (denier) was used liberally, and I queried several participants, some of who were very cool folks, about it.  Al Gore and his speakers used “Denier,” “Denial Industry” and other terms I found objectionable. Lousy salesmen, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

b) Nothing new was presented, technically speaking.  This thing was “An Inconvenient Truth” redux, with much of the controversial stuff (hockey stick & drowning polar bears) deleted.  Al got our message, he doesn’t seem to want to engage folks like us.

c) Al gave some insights into his own choices for low-carbon technologies, with a focus upon photovoltaics & wind power.  He doesn’t like BWR nukes and objects because of financial reasons, which I agree with (particularly post-Fukishima).  He mentioned that Oak Ridge National Labs in TN is testing a variety of nuclear reactor designs which sound promising (thorium maybe?) but didn’t elaborate.

d) Stuff I’m interested in, like ocean acidification, were only briefly touched upon.  Al didn’t discuss the diplomacy challenges of engaging China and India, although he did mention their growing carbon output.

Quick summary: 

Al is a polished speaker, and looked trim & in shape.  Very impressive command of his speaking material.  Decent speakers lined up, including some sustainability folks from private industry.  I’m told the health/climate breakout session was terrible & am glad I took a pass on it.

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UPDATE: Since many of the Gore followers are arriving here, I welcome you to answer this question that nobody would ask Mr. Gore this week:

If the position and science is so strong, why did Mr. Gore have to fake the results of his experiment in the Climate 101 video (which you may have seen and is still on the climate reality web page).

You can see the experiment recreated here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/

For the few of you brave enough, thanks for taking the time to answer that question – Anthony

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Gail Combs
August 3, 2013 6:49 am

Jonathan Abbott,
That was the goal of Fabian Socialist John Dewey, Father of Progressive Education. link

…Kengor spoke at the America’s Survival conference at the National Press Club on October 21, 2010. “The Bolsheviks wasted no time getting John Dewey’s works into Russian,” Kengor writes in his book Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century. “In 1918, only three years after it was published in the United States, Dewey’s Schools of Tomorrow was published in Moscow.”
“Given what was happening in Russia at the time, this is staggering.” To wit: the Soviets, broke, were fighting a bloody civil war.
“Only a year after Schools of Tomorrow was published came a Russian translation of Dewey’s How We Think (1919) and then, in 1920, The School and Society,” Kengor relates. “These, too, came during the misery of the Russian Civil War (1918-21), which, according to historian W. Bruce Lincoln, snuffed out the lives of seven million men, women and children.” [Italics in original]
“Dewey’s ideas were apparently judged as crucial to the revolution as any weapon in the arsenal of the Red Army.” Kengor did much of his research in the archives of the Communist International, about as primary a source as you can get….
http://www.academia.org/john-dewey-soviet-progressives/

….He [Lenin] ordered the schools to adopt Dewey’s educational philosophies, and the test scores at the end of the semester were so abysmal, that he instituted the strictest form of European standards education, kind of a mix between the German and French forms. Rigid classrooms…
So after trying Dewey’s educational system and finding it was useless the Soviets tossed it. The USA however has kept it which is why our educational system is one of the worst in the world.

…For 10 years, William Schmidt, a statistics professor at Michigan State University, has looked at how U.S. students stack up against students in other countries in math and science. “In fourth-grade, we start out pretty well, near the top of the distribution among countries; by eighth-grade, we’re around average, and by 12th-grade, we’re at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa….
Source

August 3, 2013 7:29 am

Hi Gail,
Even Joe Romm over at Climate Progress stated:
“…Absent human emissions, we’d probably be in a slow long-term cooling trend due primarily by changes in the Earth’s orbit — see Human-caused Arctic warming overtakes 2,000 years of natural cooling, “seminal” study finds…”
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That fits right in with that the earth should be cooling naturally.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/LIG2-1906.html
Milankovitch cycles are taking us in the cooling direction.
This is part of the knowledge that the recent warming is not natural variation.

August 3, 2013 7:33 am

Jonathan Abbott says:
August 3, 2013 at 5:13 am
I find the vapid, repetitive emotional appeals of the warmists posted above genuinely terrifying. It is a salutary reminder that the sort of useful idiots that supported the murderous, genocidal totalitarian regimes of the twentieth century are still being churned out.
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Hi John,
We are ordinary people organizing to reduce carbon emissions.

August 3, 2013 7:33 am

mindabmedia says:
August 2, 2013 at 7:07 pm
I’m new to this issue, and even though I attended the Chicago training, I certainly do want to do my homework, consider all evidence, and make a well-informed, reasoned conclusion. We heard tons of evidence from climate scientists themselves that climate change is real, and caused by man, but based on the views here, there must be plenty of equally (or more) compelling science to the contrary that I’m not yet aware of. Would any of you point some out? What should I be reading to get what I must be missing? Thanks!

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I’m sure you’ve been given many suggestions and links. There’s a multitude of informational gems to be mined here on WUWT on the title and side bar.
I’m a “layman” so I’ll leave it to the experts to direct you to specifics. But you can help them help you by listing a few specific areas you’d like to explore.
My only other suggestion would be to look at what the the CAGWers were saying 10, 20 years ago, and the certainty with which they said it. They’ve changed their rhetoric faster than they’ve claimed the climate has changed since Ma Gaia hasn’t cooperated with them.

Latitude
August 3, 2013 7:34 am

This is part of the knowledge that the recent warming is not natural variation.
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So, you think we would be a 1/2 degree cooler…instead of a 1/2 degree warmer
…and that anyone would notice

August 3, 2013 7:37 am

Humans were tried and found guilty BEFORE the IPCC ever looked at a scientific fact. The IPCC mandate is not to figure out what factors effect the climate but to dig up the ‘facts’ needed to hang the human race. This is why water vapor is not a ‘Forcing’ but a ‘Feed back’ otherwise CO2 would be a non starter. The IPCC assumed the role of prosecution and and the skeptics that of the defense but the judge (aka the media) refuses to allow the defense council into the court room.
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CO2 supports the present increase in water vapor in the atmosphere. H2O is a by product of our emissions holding even more heat in from escaping from our atmosphere.

August 3, 2013 7:41 am

This is a fraud that produces nothing but poverty. It does not produce a single penny of wealth and instead acts as a short circuit across the advancement and wealth of an entire civilization.
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If energy independence is achieved with fossil fuels it will be very short lived. Once the renewable energy infrastructure is in this century, it would be an extra trillion dollars circulating at home rather than it leaving our shores. Millions of people with good jobs.

Latitude
August 3, 2013 7:44 am

CO2 supports the present increase in water vapor in the atmosphere.
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You really believe that crap you’re spewing, don’t you?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/new-paper-on-global-water-vapor-puts-climate-modelers-in-a-bind/

August 3, 2013 7:45 am

“Can we balance the need for a sustainable planet with the need to provide billions with decent living standards? Can we do that without questioning radically the Western way of life?”
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All the 100% renewable plans I have read aren’t about socialism. Its all on a capitalistic path.

August 3, 2013 7:51 am

Latitude says:
August 3, 2013 at 7:44 am
CO2 supports the present increase in water vapor in the atmosphere.
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You really believe that crap you’re spewing, don’t you?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/new-paper-on-global-water-vapor-puts-climate-modelers-in-a-bind/
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-stratosphere-global-warming.htm
This is very basic to global warming in that the earth’s surface is 70% water. As co2 increases so does h2o. This translates into more energy held back from escaping from our atmosphere.

Latitude
August 3, 2013 7:57 am

you moron….what’s “basic” is that it didn’t happen
your link was 2010…..

Gail Combs
August 3, 2013 8:07 am

renewableguy says:
August 3, 2013 at 7:29 am
Hi Gail,
….This is part of the knowledge that the recent warming is not natural variation.
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You missed the rest of it. You get WARM SPIKES when going in or out of glaciation according to Dr. Richard B. Alley. Alley of the U.Penn. was elected to the National Academy of Sciences, chaired the National Research Council on Abrupt Climate Change. for well over a decade and in 1999 was invited to testify about climate change by Vice President Al Gore. In 2002, the NAS (alley chair) published a book “Abrupt Climate Change:
Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises ( 2002 )
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=1
. From the opening paragraph in the executive summary:

Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most
of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age.

This goes along with Dr Brown of Duke University’s bi-stable climate. When you hit the transition area you are going to get wilder climate.
ANOTHER QUOTE:

Holocene temperature history at the western Greenland Ice Sheet margin reconstructed from lake sediments – Axford et al. (2012)
….As summer insolation declined through the late Holocene, summer temperatures cooled and the local ice sheet margin expanded. Gradual, insolation-driven millennial-scale temperature trends in the study area were punctuated by several abrupt climate changes, including a major transient event recorded in all five lakes between 4.3 and 3.2 ka, which overlaps in timing with abrupt climate changes previously documented around the North Atlantic region and farther afield at ∼4.2 ka…..”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379112004209

And more from the Committee on Abrupt Climate Change, ‎National Research Council

Briefly, the data indicate that cooling into the Younger Dryas occurred in a few prominent decade(s)-long steps, whereas warming at the end of it occurred primarily in one especially large step (Figure 1.2) of about 8°C in about 10 years and was accompanied by a doubling of snow accumulation in 3 years; most of the accumulation-rate change occurred in 1 year. (This matches well the change in wind-driven upwelling in the Cariaco Basin, offshore Venezuela, which occurred in 10 years or less [Hughen et al., 1996].)
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=27

As I said the current minuscule warming means nothing.

Gail Combs
August 3, 2013 8:27 am

renewableguy says:
August 3, 2013 at 7:45 am
“Can we balance the need for a sustainable planet with the need to provide billions with decent living standards? Can we do that without questioning radically the Western way of life?”
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All the 100% renewable plans I have read aren’t about socialism. Its all on a capitalistic path.
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RIGHTTTT…
And that is why MY TAXES are going to pay for companies started by Obama’s cronies who have since bankrupted. So far, [thats] 34 companies It would be interesting to see how much the net worth of the originators has gone up.

The Department of Energy Report 2009

A smart grid is needed at the distribution level to manage voltage levels, reactive power, potential reverse power flows, and power conditioning, all critical to running grid-connected DG systems, particularly with high penetrations of solar and wind power and PHEVs…. Designing and retrofitting household appliances, such as washers, dryers, and water heaters with technology to communicate and respond to market signals and user preferences via home automation technology will be a significant challenge. Substantial investment will be required….
These controls and tools could reduce the occurrence of outages and power disturbances attributed to grid overload. They could also reduce planned rolling brownouts and blackouts like those implemented during the energy crisis in California in 2000.

Don’t want smart meter? Power shut off
The rollout of smart electric meters across the country has run into a few snags: one woman doesn’t want one, and ended up in the dark as a result.
You might not think that would be an issue. But it is, because Duke Energy is now beginning to disconnect any homeowner who refuses a new electric meter.
Other electric companies are not pulling the plug…yet…..

And what is the take of the Financiers?

We see an attractive long-term secular trend for investors to capitalize on over the coming 20–30 years as today’s underinvested and technologically challenged power grid is modernized to a technology-enabled smart grid. In particular, we see an attractive opportunity over the next three to five years to invest in companies that are enabling this transformation of the power grid.
http://downloads.lightreading.com/internetevolution/Thomas_Weisel_Demand_Response.pdf

It isn’t “Capitalism’ when you are forced to buy ‘Products’ you do not want at a much higher cost that the products you did want that have been ‘outlawed’ due to corporate influence.
I really suggest you read the Article at Mother Jones It explains how this ‘Corporatism’ or what every you want to call the unholy merging of mega-corporations and government works. The losers are always the little guy.
I would also suggest How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis The elite don’t give a rats behind who they hurt or how many they kill as long as more money goes into their pockets and they accumulate more power.
Agenda 21 is all about POWER and CONTROL

Gail Combs
August 3, 2013 8:40 am

renewableguy says: August 3, 2013 at 7:51 am
This is very basic to global warming in that the earth’s surface is 70% water. As co2 increases so does H2O. This translates into more energy held back from escaping from our atmosphere.
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You have it half right. WATER is the critical factor not CO2. If the oceans warm CO2 is out gassed.
If the cloud cover changes in amount or type the amount of solar radiation reaching the earth’s surface changes.
One of the links is the changes in the sun’s UV and solar magnetic field causing changes in the height of the atmosphere and changes in the ozone. This effects the cloud cover and winds which in turn effect the oceans.
However it would be tough to make water into a bogeyman so CO2 was chosen instead even though it is a flea compared to water’s elephant.

Babsy
August 3, 2013 9:32 am

Gail Combs says:
August 3, 2013 at 8:40 am
Gail,
The real reason they chose CO2 is so they can control the energy market and thereby, the economy.

Babsy
August 3, 2013 9:41 am

renewableguy says:
August 2, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Dear Sparky,
Mull this over for a while and then get back to us. Mmmmmm’K?
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/

Gail Combs
August 3, 2013 10:49 am

Babsy says:
August 3, 2013 at 9:32 am
The real reason they chose CO2 is so they can control the energy market and thereby, the economy.
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YUP, It has always been political . That is why the IPCC mandate was never about actually trying to figure out what controls the climate.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

From Pascal Lamy of the WTO we get the WHY.

….First, legitimacy at the international level is much weaker than at the national level. This is not surprising as legitimacy is inversely proportional to distance. The specific challenge of legitimacy in global governance is to deal with the perceived too-distant, non-accountable and non-directly challengeable decision-making at the international level….
Second, efficiency is hampered by the Westphalian order and the primacy of sovereign nation-states that comes with it — sovereign nation-states that often have differing interests; that often lack coherence, arguing one position in an international organization, and its opposite in another. Sovereign nation-states that often resist transferring or sharing jurisdiction over certain matters within an international setting….
As for leadership, the intrinsic difficulty of global governance is to identify the leader.
As for legitimacy, I see two avenues to strengthen it. First, domestically, by increasing the visibility of international issues and giving citizens a greater say. By incorporating them into the public debate at the national level. Presidents, prime-ministers, parliamentarians, trade unions and civil society movements need to engage more actively in global issues and institutions. Instead of globalizing local issues, we should be localizing them. Global institutions need to be held more accountable to national parliaments and voters. The UN could play an important role in this regard given its remarkably positive perception by citizens. Second, internationally, by enhancing the UN system as a legitimation process…
http://www.globalpolicy.org/globalization/globalization-of-politics/global-governance-and-the-three-sisters-2-17/50398-lamy-urges-raising-un-ecosoc-profile.html?itemid=id#951

This is why NGOs were invented (control of course is kept by the elite through funding and non-voting membership) and why a ‘Crisis’ was absolutely necessary.
Again from lamy:

…In the same way, climate change negotiations are not just about the global environment but global economics as well — the way that technology, costs and growth are to be distributed and shared…..
At the same time, globalization is blurring the line between national and world issues, redefining our notions of space, sovereignty and identity. As we saw during the recent financial crisis, economic turbulence in one country now sends shockwaves worldwide.
And finance is not the only area where domestic issues are turning into global concerns. Countries claim the right to use national resources as they see fit. But the byproduct can be greenhouse gases or disappearing fish stocks or raw material shortages — which impact the interconnected world we share…..
The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed. Half a century ago, those who designed the post-war system — the United Nations, the Bretton Woods system, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) — were deeply influenced by the shared lessons of history.
All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s — when turning inwards led to economic depression, nationalism and war. All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty….
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=9174

The financial crisis and the global warming crisis were both engineered “… to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed….”
Al Gore of course is also all about “INTERDEPENDENCE” another code word like “SUSTAINABILITY” Daily Kos: A Declaration of INTERdependence
Many years ago I saw a listing by Gore on what the regional specializations were going to be. This is why when Gore was VP he told a kid to get out of farming. My USDA extension agent was an eye witness at that presentation and in the extension office is where I first heard about this.

“While presenting a national award to a Colorado FFA member, Gore asked the student what his/her life plans were. Upon hearing that the FFA member wanted to continue on in production agriculture, Gore reportedly replied that the young person should develop other plans because our production agriculture is being shifted out of the U.S. to the Third World.”
http://showcase.netins.net/web/sarahb/farm/

More on interdependence: http://besser.tsoa.nyu.edu/impact/f99/Papers/wang.html
http://www.iatp.org/files/Global_Governance_Why_How_When.htm

Latitude
August 3, 2013 11:12 am

Gail, just one post from you….and I get more information than I’ve ever had…
Thanks a million!!

Jonathan Abbott
August 3, 2013 12:19 pm

Dear renewableguy,
You recently attended a conference organised and hosted by a multimillionaire who has made a fortune sucking taxpayers money into his big-green companies, and yet you claim to represent ordinary people who just happen to have all joined together to fight the monsterous evil of climate change?
Seriously?
Stop insulting our intelligence.

August 3, 2013 1:22 pm

henry@amanda, renewable guy etc
the climate is changing but it does not come from man, it comes from God (‘s creation)
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
H2O and CO2 is the reason why we are alive today
No, it has not been warming, it has started cooling, according to all major data sets, including my own,
and be aware of the fact that this global cooling will not stop..until about 2038
things are not so “simple” as you think

August 3, 2013 2:25 pm

Gail Combs says:
However it would be tough to make water into a bogeyman so CO2 was chosen instead even though it is a flea compared to water’s elephant.
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The knowledge of the relationship of co2 to water is very extensive. H2O is a very short lived atmospheric gas while co2 is lasts for centuries in the atmosphere. What supports the water vapor is co2. That is why co2 is considered the thermostat of the earth. More co2 = warmer. Less co2 = cooler.
http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml

August 3, 2013 2:29 pm

HenryP saysH2O and CO2 is the reason why we are alive today
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Agreed we are in the goldilocks zone. Just right.
See co2 is the thermostat of the earth.

August 3, 2013 2:37 pm

Gail Combs says:
I really suggest you read the Article at Mother Jones It explains how this ‘Corporatism’ or what every you want to call the unholy merging of mega-corporations and government works. The losers are always the little guy.
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Germany has benefitted the little with their feed in tarrifs. They are now up to 25% renewable energy and are schedueled to easily hit 35% by 2020. They have employed 350,000 people in their green industry.

August 3, 2013 3:27 pm

Gail Combs says:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=27
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There is a differentiation between Younger Dryas and Todays warming. We are in temperature imbalance and younger dryas was internal dynamics.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/revisiting-the-younger-dryas/
Unlike changes in global temperature (such as modern day global warming) which can be understood as a result of perturbations to the planetary energy balance, the millennial-scale climate changes during the last glaciation are viewed primarily from the lens of internal dynamics, including ice retreat and re-organizations of ocean circulation. They are not dominated by changes in global mean temperature but rather changes in temperature distribution, explained by changes in oceanic or atmospheric heat transport. In particular, proxies of deepwater formation show large reductions in the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) coincident with the start of the YD. This suggested weakening of overturning circulation provides immense explanatory power for the onset of the YD although no consensus has emerged concerning the trigger of the AMOC reduction. There are some radiative changes associated with millennial-scale climate change induced by the ice-albedo effect, extra dust loading out of Asia during cold snaps, as well as greenhouse gas feedbacks– although they are relatively small. However, pinning down the exact sequence of causes and effects is rather difficult since precise chronologies and global-scale reconstructions are difficult to come by prior to the Holocene.

Latitude
August 3, 2013 3:42 pm

ROTFL….
“Computer-based climate models are unable to replicate the observed warming unless human greenhouse gas emissions are included.”
You don’t even realize it’s all computer games, every bit of it, every prediction, every past reconstruction, every replication….it’s all computer games
and the computer games have not been right about one single thing….nothing, nada, zippo

Tucci78
Reply to  Latitude
August 3, 2013 4:36 pm

Anent “Computer-based climate models,” at 3:42 PM on 3 August, Latitude had accurately observed:

You don’t even realize it’s all computer games, every bit of it, every prediction, every past reconstruction, every replication….it’s all computer games
and the computer games have not been right about one single thing….nothing, nada, zippo

Oh, for pity’s sake. Those hacked-up computer simulacra can’t even “predict” the remote or recent past, much less the potential global climate ten or twenty (much less a hundred) years from now.
If the hallmark of sound science is the ability to reliably anticipate future developments on the basis of lucid and honest observations of past phenomena, then the “settled” bilge of the Watermelon cabal has not even the proverbial nitrocellulose dog’s chance in hell of ever coming close to scientific validity.

Reply to  Tucci78
August 3, 2013 6:09 pm

Tucci78
http://www.skepticalscience.com/contary-to-contrarians-ipcc-temp-projections-accurate.html
If you plug in contrarian projections based on their talking points, the IPCC wins hands down. The computer models give the contrarians a pretty low score.

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