Boehner hits the nail on the head
President Obama’s soon-to-be-revealed second-term climate change proposal is “absolutely crazy,” Speaker John Boehner said Thursday.
The Ohio Republican was incredulous when asked to react to reports that the White House plans to regulate carbon emissions from power plants as part of its climate change strategy.
“I think this is absolutely crazy,” Boehner said at his weekly press conference. “Why would you want to increase the cost of energy and kill more American jobs at a time when American people are asking, ‘Where are the jobs.’ “
From:The Hill’s E2-Wire
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Jai, we are 5.5 years from Siberian climate? I doubt it, sea levels rising? I doubt that too.
If the Guardian/Observer told me the sky is blue and grass is green I would go outside to check. It is a leftist rag read by the middle class lefties over here. It is steadily sinking into a well deserved oblivion.
I have mentioned climate refugees, snow here being a rare and exciting event, Southern Spain becoming a desert and all the other half-witted predictions that have not happened, nor are ever likely to.
Jai, please take a step back and try to look objectively at this whole scam!
Obama’s plan is DOA in the House, but he’ll find a way to work it as an executive order via the EPA. Clearly facts, observations and true science means nothing to the progressives. Obama has been weakened by all of the scandals and the impending doom of the Obamacare rollout. He may well do tremendous damage to the Democrat party with such a damaging proposal. Maybe, just maybe it would be a good thing from a contrarian point of view.
I’m glad Anthony posted that drivell from Jai Mitchell. It demonstrates that the eco zealots are still living in la la land. It also shows that Anthony does not delete all posts from alarmist trolls, like they claim he does on so many alarmist blogs. Good job.
If Obama does regulates carbon emissions from power plants, I hope it is completely watered down so that it is nothing more than political smoke and mirrors. The rest of the world is building coal plants by the truckload, I think we are about to enter a new golden age of coal. Leave coal companies and coal miners alone. Stop picking on these people. This is wierd.
How come with people like Jai disaster is always just 20 years away…in the 1980`s the Maldives would be under water by 2000….instead they are building new hotels and airports every year. Since Obama just returned from Germany you would have thought he would have learned Germany is turning back to coal-powered power plants with 23 new ones opening in the next few years. He is the most uninformed, incompetent President ever.
The idiocy? Or is that lunacy? (Realizing of course there is overlap viewing from outside an organization or from outside the country)
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To people like jai, you are constantly trying to prove a negative. It doesn’t matter what facts you present, they will pull out the “but we can’t afford to wait” card. It’s always a but what if from them.
My question to jai and his fellow travellers; why is warming axiomatically bad? I may not be a scientist, but history strongly supports the thesis that man has flourished much better during warm periods as against cooler ones.
Oh, man flourishing, that’s the problem…….so anti Malthusian.
“Thus, after taking each individual by turns in its powerful hands and kneading him as it likes, the sovereign extends its arms over society as a whole; it covers its surface with a network of small, complicated, painstaking, uniform rules through which the most original minds and the most vigorous souls cannot clear a way to surpass the crowd; it does not break wills but it softens them, bends them, and directs them; it rarely forces one to act, but it constantly opposes itself to one’s acting; it does not destroy, it prevents things from being born; it does not tyrannize, it hinders, compromises, enervates, extinguishes, dazes, and finally reduces each nation to being nothing more than a herd of timid and industrious animals of which government is the shepherd.”
— Alexis de Tocqueville
“James Padgett says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:00 am
Obama is looking for his legacy.”
At this rate Obama is going to make Carters presidency look good.
jai mitchell says at June 20, 2013 at 11:18 am
Well, obviously not in climate terms. There is no evidence that we are going that way and we would have noticed the tundra in Scotland by now.
But perhaps he means in political terms?
If so, I can assure him that many of us would stand against it.
Rioting? Where?
Greece? Why?
Brazil? Why?
Economics connected? Why?
Coupled to out-of-control spending (including spending on social and dismal-return ‘green’ projects incl solar and wind)? Why?
Just here is the USA: Over half a Billion on Solyndra? Why?
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JackT says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:57 am
Correct all these plans will disregard the House of Representatives and the Senate and be implemented by Executive Order (Presidential Fiat) through the EPA. The EPA is already being loaded with malleable and cooperative replacements for ‘Richard Windsor’ (alias Lisa Jackson) with such people as Ron Arnold ( http://washingtonexaminer.com/ron-arnold-meet-the-little-nobody-from-texas-with-big-power-at-epa/article/2531854 )
However, it would appear it may be a race with the weather. Joe Bastardi is now concerned that next winter may be early and unpleasant. As this has woken those in Germany up – perhaps it might have the same effect here. Although those making the mad rush to try to get ‘Emission Trading Schemes’ in place to line the pockets of the politicians and de-industialize the US will try to complete regulation before they are exposed by the real world climate.
The stock market is getting hammered.
Obama’s plan will not help.
I think the world is in danger, if the most powerful nations produce such inept and stupid leaders. Is Obama really the best America can do?
We are way too comfortable, if we can afford to invest in pseudo-science, destroy wealth and be stupider than stupid.
Such behaviour, on this planet, is usually rewarded with extinction. Ask the Dodo.
There will be a real crisis, a real emergency. Opportunities lost always, always turn against those that missed them, and untold billions spent on research of no-problem, and decades lost, will be paid for in spades.
Humans owe progress to individuals, inspired and talented, like Anthony. Humans don’t owe progress to committees and “consensus”, yet again and again, they just don’t learn.
Time to face reality: those who attain the highest office seem destined to completely lose their marbles. It happens everywhere.
UK…we have been governed by idiots for 20 years.
The EU…no, I can’t go there – i’ll be snipped.
Iraq.
Syria.
Iran.
Russia.
Every country in Africa?
Every nation in South America?
Every nation not mentioned already in the Middle East.
The US of A? Your nation is no different. All leaders turn into idiots. ‘Climate Change’ has merely hastened the idiocy.
Obama’s legacy will be massive job loss and/or an election issue, can the green scam.
Green energy does not work. It does not significantly reduce CO2 emissions (if when unbiased analysis is done and all engineering issues are considered) and it requires massive subsides.
Further more, there is no extreme AGW problem to solve, the planet resists forcing changes by an increase or decrease of clouds in the tropics (negative feedback) rather than the IPCC’s assumed amplification (positive feedback).
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/06/the-data-is-in-more-green-jobs-means-less-real-ones/#more-28909
Each green job in Britain costs £100,000 (and 3.7 other jobs):
The Telegraph points out how expensive it is to support a wind-industry job. My plan to bury bottles with £50,000 apiece in them could halve the cost and employ just as many people.
• A new analysis of government and industry figures shows that wind turbine owners received £1.2billion in the form of a consumer subsidy, paid by a supplement on electricity bills last year. They employed 12,000 people, to produce an effective £100,000 subsidy on each job.
• “Among the examples of extremely high subsidies effectively for job creation is Greater Gabbard, a scheme of 140 turbines 12 miles off the Suffolk coast. It received £129 million in consumer subsidy in the 12 months to the end of February, double the £65million it received for the electricity it produced. It employs 100 people at its headquarters in Lowestoft, receiving, in effect, £1.3 million for every member of staff.” — Telegraph, 15 June 2013
• In Scotland the VERSO study showed for each Green Job created, 3.7 were lost. — BBC, Feb 2011
In Italy, each green job cost 5 jobs from the rest of the economy:
“A study performed by Luciano Lavecchia and Carlo Stagnaro of Italy’s Bruno Leoni Institute found “the same amount of capital that creates one job in the green sector, would create 6.9 or 4.8 if invested in the industry or the economy in general, respectively”…
“The researchers also found that the vast majority of green jobs created were temporary… – AEI
“The renewables industry was plagued with corruption. The mafia were caught laundering $1.7bn through renewables.
Serious question to help Jai along: In the time since his cited study was released, what has global warming ever done to us?
And the second is like unto it: In the same period, what has global warming POLICY ever done to us?
Or, to invoke Eddie Izzard, “Cake or death?” Thus far, global warming is cake.
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jai mitchell says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:18 am
This seems relevant to this political discussion.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us…….””””””
Hate to break the news to you; but the President of the United States, is named Obama. not Bush.
His predecessor in office was also Obama, not Bush.
If the Pentagon “now” “tells Bush” anything at all, they are wasting their breath.
We had two former Presidents named Bush; well three actually since the most recent one also had two terms, like the current President Obama. Neither one of those former Presidents, could give a rip, what the Pentagon is now telling the President; they are totally out of the loop.
It was the Obama President who just made an international ass out of himself at The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin; not one of the Bushes.
Big thank you to Jai Mitchell for highlighting that 2003 Pentagon report!!!!
It provides quantified predictions for 2020 that can eventually be compared against reality. For example, it predicts that major EU cities will be sunk beneath rising seas. This is not storm surge stuff, but permanently sunk beneath the low tide level. This requires multiple meters of sea level rise in the next 7 years, or over 100 mm per year starting today. Remarkably (ho ho!), it is similar to Hansen’s 1988 prediction for the West Side highway being permanently submerged, which now requires at least 175 mm/year of SLR.
Anthony,
Matt Ridley has an article in the Times today on Bio Mass burning for electricity generation. This is
the latest economically idiocy of the UK’s green energy policy and is an indicator of what may be in store for the USA if your government goes down its proposed path. I do not have the skills to provide a link, but it is well worth publishing on your side of the pond as a cautionary tale.
My guess is that Boehner believes Obama’s plan is absolutely crazy, but another interesting twist is that he is saying this out loud on purpose. Part of that means to me that Boehner thinks calling Obama’s plan absolutely crazy is a political winner.
It is good that the Speaker of the House believes Obama’s plan is crazy. The debate will be more out in the open now.
Trying to get my head around Willis testifying before Congress.
isn’t it interesting that the report of 8 years ago (yes, I recognized that it was from the bush administration. . .) stated that we could begin to experience these things as early as 2020 and just recently the UK is beginning to experience abnormally low temperatures. (while it is 95 degrees in central Alaska.
you can’t have it both ways people.
Don’t forget this (from the arctic sea ice page of watts up)
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cryo_compare.jpg
Pres. Obama is a purely political animal. Everything he has done and everything he wants to do has the goal of entrenching his party’s control over government through crony capitalism. Stimulus money went to create green jobs for his top bundlers and to save Union jobs and pension funds. Even Obamacare funding is being routed to unions and leftist community-organizing groups. These groups then return part of that money back to the Democratic Party in the form of campaign contributions and get-out-the-vote campaigns. It’s a giant money-laundering scheme. Carbon taxes and immigration reform will also be used in similar ways. It’s so obvious, I can’t understand why Republicans are helping Democrats setup these schemes. They are building a political infrastructure that will entrench Democrats for decades to come if it isn’t stopped now.
To be clear,
The report indicating a “Siberian UK” is speaking specifically to a dramatic slowdown of the thermohaline circulation as occurred during the younger dryas due to freshwater melt in the arctic:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/images/data4-climate-changes-lg.gif
While this is an extreme report, it outlines the reality that is the body of evidence and projections of what will be happening in the world over the next century if we don’t change the course of our direction.
These include desertification, reduction in crop yields (or did you forget about the pork shortage due to the heatwaves of 2012 already?)
Drought conditions (potable water shortages), especially in the U.S. and Russia, have taken a toll on the price of the grain crops used for animal feed, and world food prices are expected to reach record highs in 2013.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/09/25/industry-group-bacon-pork-shortage-unavoidable/#ixzz2WmsYB83V
These are real things that are starting to happen already.
“””””……dbstealey says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:42 am
jai mitchell says:
“Green energy creates jobs, and lots of them.”…….””””””
Well we’ll take your word for it Jai; which is exactly why “green energy” is a scam.
A more efficient source of energy than what we now have now, would get rid of jobs; not create more.
A cheaper source of energy, would allow industry to expand; which would create not only more jobs, but a higher standard of living for everybody. But the so-called green jobs, are mostly taxpayer funded jobs, which means they suck working capital out of the real job making economy.
Energy costs are the irreducible minimum, below which industrial costs cannot go.
Tesla Motors, the darling of the green energy set, recently announced a profit. The only reason they made a profit, was because tax paying real workers paid a bundle for each of those 416 horsepower race cars, I heard the figure was $7500 for each Model S car sold. And they also made a profit selling “carbon credits” to other companies.
Just who the hell is manufacturing “carbon credits”, and what do they make them out of. ?/ Tesla Motors, certainly doesn’t make any carbon credits to sell to anybody.
Before the Soviet Union seemed to implode and disappear in the late 20th century, is it possible that its leadership had secretly set into motion a hidden program that would quietly re-constitute the soul of the “CCCP” back into the leadership of Western societies? Betting that we would be defenseless against such an attack from within?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you