The results are in, and it looks like this.
UPDATE: By popular request, our representative to the “Union of Concerned Scientists” has been added to panel #2 at top. – Anthony
The results are in, and it looks like this.
UPDATE: By popular request, our representative to the “Union of Concerned Scientists” has been added to panel #2 at top. – Anthony
Co2 at 400ppm or 500ppm or even 900ppm will cause total madness. These people must think we are idiots.
By the way, 10 times the current level of co2 failed to stop the Ordovician ice age.
John Parsons, please see:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html
Your points are invalidated by the paleo evidence. You may wish to proceed but there will be more to follow where I leave off. I am going to bed now as it is 1am for me. Think before you leap.
What does 400ppm look like?
For many farmers in the Northern Hemisphere, it means one of the coldest and longest winters in recorded history, delayed planting, greatly reduced crop yields, higher crop prices and for consumers, higher food prices.
It also means record late “Spring” snowstorms in Canada and the US and it means I’m still wearing my winter jacket as of May 08 on the beach south of Tokyo, when I usually need to be running my air-conditioner by this time of the year…..
When I mention this to friends, they simply mention the old bromide that, “weather isn’t climate”. When I reply that there hasn’t been any statistically significant warming into the 17th year, my friends reply with the new meme, “The last 10 years are ranked the highest in human history! What am I talking about?”
And so it goes…..until it doesn’t….
Bob Diaz says:
May 7, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Bob, Your figures may be right for some plants, but certainly not all. Additionally, plants only do better with more CO2 if there is a concomitant rise in water and sunlight. How plants react to increased CO2 is inextricably related to many climate factors. The University of Arizona has done some great research on the subject that you might be interested in.
Like all Earth systems, it’s way more complicated than saying plants like more CO2. JP
Three cheers for CO2 – more plant food to help the 2 billion desperately poor and the 1 billion extremely poor to feed themselves.
US Congress’ mandating corn to fuel is starving the extremely poor. ~192,000 in 2010 and more since.
Indur Goklany, Could Biofuel Policies Increase Death and Disease in Developing Countries
Timothy A. Wise, The Cost to Developing Countries of U.S. Corn Ethanol Expansion, GDAE Working Paper No. 12-02, October 2012
Conclusion: “Green policy” = Fatten the rich to starve the poor to buy votes.
Here’s another way to look at it.
Atmosphere = 100%. CO2 = 0.0004% (about as much interest my bank is currently paying on a savings account). It has increased 0.00005% in the last 150 years or an average of 0.00000033% per year.
fhhaynie says
FH, you don’t need to model every atom of water in a tea kettle to know it gets hot when you put it on the stove. JP
Brian R says:
May 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm
“Here’s another way to look at it.”
And here’s another: Your cup of tea=99.99% H2O, Ricin= .0004%. Your dead. JP
Jimbo says
Think before you sleep. JP
Jumbo, By the way, I personally corresponded with Dr. Berner about the outdated (his words) graph of his that you showed. He said that we have learned that the values shown are far from those of research done since his work years ago. Talk to him yourself. he’s a nice guy. JP
Sorry Jimbo, Spellcheck did that not me. JP
John Parsons wrote;
“The last time carbon dioxide levels were as high as they are today — and were sustained at those levels — global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland,”
CORRELATION is such a cool toy, like a Frisbee ™ but so much more powerful, I don’t remember anybody predicting if it will rain tomorrow based on were the Frisbee landed today.
So far for every day of my adult life the Sun was up within an hour or two (plus or minus a tad bit) of the time I woke up. You should all be grateful I am an early riser. I would hate to see you all in the dark until I woke up. Oh jeeeze what happens if I ever switch to the night shift ? /sarc off
Cheers, Kevin
Ricin is a deadly toxin. CO2 is essential for life; lots more is fine. You’re [correct construction] a troll.
/Mr Lynn
Go into a greenhouse (a real one, where veggies, not AGW nut cases, are grown) enriched to 1,500 ppm CO2 . What does that look like?
Maybe it could have another box, “what the global thermometer thinks …” showing the IPCC temp models vs data. Perhaps lengthwise, along the bottom.
@David Hagen –
192,000 dead sounds like mass murder to me (that ain’t all – just 2010 alone).
The ethanol program proceeds from global warming alarmism.
Global warming alarmism is mass murder.
Therefore, the ethanol program is mass murder.
Global warming alarmists are mass murderers.
They should be dealt with accordingly.
And what the EU carbon price thinks it looks like, as an exploding bomb, if you need another box to balance.
KevinK says
I won’t pretend to understand all of your “sarcasm”. But regarding the correlation: THAT was the topic. David brought up the correlation and I showed that THAT correlation was incorrect.
JP
data doesnt ‘look like’ that. you need from zero on vertical axis to see ‘looks like’
Chad Wozniak says: Global Warming Alarmists are “mass murders” and should be “dealt with accordingly”. Pray tell, Chad, how would you suggest they be “dealt with”? JP
A link I’ve provided before….
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm
“Ambient CO2 level in outside air is about 340 ppm by volume. All plants grow well at this level but as CO2 levels are raised by 1,000 ppm photosynthesis increases proportionately resulting in more sugars and carbohydrates available for plant growth. Any actively growing crop in a tightly clad greenhouse with little or no ventilation can readily reduce the CO2 level during the day to as low as 200 ppm. The decrease in photosynthesis when CO2 level drops from 340 ppm to 200 ppm is similar to the increase when the CO2 levels are raised from 340 to about 1,300 ppm (Figure 1). As a rule of thumb, a drop in carbon dioxide levels below ambient has a stronger effect than supplementation above ambient.
During particular times of the year in new greenhouses, and especially in double-glazed structures that have reduced air exchange rates, the carbon dioxide levels can easily drop below 340 ppm which has a significant negative effect on the crop. Ventilation during the day can raise the CO2 levels closer to ambient but never back to ambient levels of 340 ppm. Supplementation of CO2 is seen as the only method to overcome this deficiency and increasing the level above 340 ppm is beneficial for most crops.
The level to which the CO2 concentration should be raised depends on the crop, light intensity, temperature, ventilation, stage of the crop growth and the economics of the crop. For most crops the saturation point will be reached at about 1,000–1,300 ppm under ideal circumstances. A lower level (800–1,000 ppm) is recommended for raising seedlings (tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers) as well as for lettuce production. Even lower levels (500–800 ppm) are recommended for African violets and some Gerbera varieties. Increased CO2 levels will shorten the growing period (5%–10%), improve crop quality and yield, as well as, increase leaf size and leaf thickness. The increase in yield of tomato, cucumber and pepper crops is a result of increased numbers and faster flowering per plant.”
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658#gr1
The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature
Humluma et al. Global and Planetary Change Volume 100, January 2013, Pages 51–69
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008
It seems the phase relation grows daily tighter?
Mr Lynn says:
The point is not that ricin is healthy. The point is: assuming that, because the absolute value of a substance is small, it is therefore inconsequential, is not a good assumption.
Someone is not a “troll” just because you disagree with their position. I won’t call you names. I would appreciate the same courtesy. JP
400ppm? Let’s get pished!