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Traveling today to meet a friend of WUWT right about the time this post auto publishes.

Behave yourselves. Don’t make me come back here.

 

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ferdberple
February 24, 2013 9:22 pm

http://www.livescience.com/1312-huge-ocean-discovered-earth.html
Previous predictions calculated that if a cold slab of the ocean floor were to sink thousands of miles into the Earth’s mantle, the hot temperatures would cause water stored inside the rock to evaporate out.
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This is the place inside the earth where hydrocarbons (fossil fuels ) are formed from fossilized CO2 (limestone) plus water in the presence of iron from the earth’s core.
steam + iron => hydrogen + iron oxide
limestone + heat => carbon + quicklime
iron oxide + quicklime => rock
hydrogen + carbon => hydrocarbons => fossil fuel.

Larry Kirk
February 24, 2013 9:43 pm

Fedberple, pardon my untimely interruption to a far more intesting discussion!
5-10 billion years lived in just a lifetime? How sad to return home, and be looking for what you left behind amongst the high grade metamorphic schists and granitoids of some ‘recently’ eroded orogenic belt.
And how would you cope en-route, with the potential for high speed collisions between your ship and not just the various intervening items in your path when you started out, but with all those that came into being or vanished into the past as you zoomed forward in space and time, across a universe where the glacial music of the stars appeared from your viewpoint to have increased in tempo to a startling swirl, whilst big things popped into being and lived out their histories before you in a matter of apparent seconds?
You don’t see that on Caprtain Kirk’s big screen, do you? All those stars rushing towards the Enterprise, but he never goes: “Oh crap, we hit one!”
Back to work!

Kajajuk
February 24, 2013 10:16 pm

I think it is clear that civilization has been cyclic and not linear as has been presupposed to be. Wondering how many generations would it take to notice the precession of the equinoxes? And this was deduced by stone age people in central america and asia and mesopotamia? yah right!
A type of “maritime” archaic fits this and similarities of globally dispersed cultures. Genetic evidence limits the ‘out-of-africa’ migration to under 70,000 years. Implying an earlier ‘golden age’ of mankind before or during the last ice-age, not 130,000 years. This does not jive at all with the proclamations of the current science priesthood; on many levels.
I have stopped phrasing my prose to reflect my uncertainly or the inherent probability of reality, since that has annoyed several people. Now i write as if i am all knowing, knowing that is not true, and so learning by my mistakes. The post of ocean rise was based on a documentary i watched and i doubt tidal gauge recording goes back 300 years. No a foot of sea level rise will not wipe out humans let alone this current aggregate of humanity; it will have the empty cities in China populated.
Ancient ruins discovered off the coast of India, Japan, and the latest i do not recall the location, but it was land locked and appeared to have been buried on purpose 12,500 years ago. The pyramids at Gaza and the Sphinx were clearly not done by the Egyptians and the Sphinx was a remodeling of a much earlier statue of a lion. These all suggest the remnants of an earlier global civilization.

Kajajuk
February 24, 2013 10:26 pm

The energy needed to provide a 9.81m/s^2 acceleration of a spaceship boggles my mind. And sustaining it for any extended period of time, say a year, got me LMAO.
This technology would open up the solar system to greater scrutiny though.

February 25, 2013 2:12 am

There’s no relativity – there is one absolute reference frame. They used to call it ‘fixed stars’.

D.B. Stealey
February 25, 2013 2:54 am
February 25, 2013 5:27 am

Robert of Ottawa says:
February 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm
If the wave function becomes the size of the object, then strange things happen.
……
Indeed, bridges collapse, crystal glasses shatter and cosmos explodes, they call it big-bang if you believe in that sort of thing, I am not certain that I do.

Steve Keohane
February 25, 2013 7:49 am

Kajajuk says:February 24, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I think it is clear that civilization has been cyclic and not linear as has been presupposed to be. Wondering how many generations would it take to notice the precession of the equinoxes? And this was deduced by stone age people in central america and asia and mesopotamia? yah right!

I have thought it interesting that the Arthurian legend has Pendragon as his father and there is an allusion at least that Arthur is referred to as the Bear. I thought that an interesting allegory to the shift of the polar/guiding star, in precession, from Draconus to Ursa Minor..
As far as considering ourselves, today, the apex of evolution and civilization, we used to have larger brains, and knew that we did not understand things.

Mike McMillan
February 25, 2013 8:31 pm

ferdberple says: February 24, 2013 at 9:06 pm
… A 1 g constant acceleration starship can reach almost the other side of the observable universe and return within a single human lifetime. The crew will have aged something like 70 years. The earth some 5-10 billion years.

No. You would get that result by integrating the Lorentz factor term, 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2), which gives a quarter sine wave up to light speed for an acceleration curve, but that isn’t correct. You have to integrate the addition of velocities term, (v+u)/(1+(vu/c^2)), which yields a much shallower curve. The correct rate has you dead and gone long before you reach even 1/3 light speed. I don’t have the integral handy, but it looks nothing like anything useful.
It’s easy to assume that acceleration slows at the same rate as mass increases and time dilates, which would have the space travellers watching their speedometer rise steadily up to near lightspeed for a brief time-dilated cruise, then steadily decrease as they decelerated into the destination, much as Newton would have guessed.
But since acceleration is an addition of velocities thing, the perceived and actual rates are going to differ. I’d often wondered if this difference, measurable by a slower than expected increase in stellar aberration outside the starship window, would be a clue to the absolute speed of the ship. That shouldn’t be allowed, but I haven’t done any math on the problem.
A derivation of the true acceleration formula is in the long out-of-print “Time and the Space-Traveller,” by Leslie Marder.

Kajajuk
February 26, 2013 2:56 pm

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/23/open-thread-weekend-16/#comment-1232783
Thanks for the input, fascinating.
All for naught though cause well before that acceleration could be attained the starship would disintegrate into a nasty shockwave as soon as the grains of interstellar dust rips apart the hull.

Kajajuk
February 26, 2013 3:54 pm

Pervasive Weather Anomaly announcements;
Old Man winter is not finished with the Northeast:
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?qc67
Just the “tip of the iceberg”, so to speak, as this system started in the mid-west of USA and now is over the Northeast. “State of Emergency? again or still?”
The God’s must be crying…
“Nothing to see hear mate, just business as usual”, http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/extra-disaster-assistance-flood-affected-communities
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/qld/content/2013/02/s3698735.htm
Is it still January? http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/qld/summary.shtml
“Odds favour a near average cyclone season for most Australians”, yeah that’s a relief…
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/tc.shtml
…think i’ll get a Fosters!
“Torn-a-doess?, what the hell is that?”. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/mini-tornado-hits-queensland-coastal-town/story-fn3dxiwe-1226562434151
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/26/3698494.htm
Climate Change at it again!
“Extreme weather is often the result of climate change, according to scientists in Germany, who say they have found how greenhouse gases are helping to trap the jet stream and the weather patterns it brings.”
http://www.climatenewsnetwork.net/2013/02/climate-change-causes-wild-weather/

Kajajuk
February 27, 2013 8:29 am

Pervasive Weather Anomaly continued:
Hailstorm in Louisiana? Six months to fix the backlog of damaged cars, i guess they forgot how much this happens and were unprepared.
http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/Hail-Storm-Victims-Fill-Local-Auto-Body-Shops-193416891.html
Hailstorm in Argentina, isn’t it summer there?
http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/hail-storm-tees-off-argentina-130225.htm

Paul Vaughan
February 27, 2013 8:58 am

Solar-Terrestrial Volatility Weaves
[Weaves? Or “waves” mod]

Paul Vaughan
February 27, 2013 6:55 pm

“[Weaves? Or “waves” mod]”
Either would do. They’re weaves of hierarchically bundled waves. “Weaves” was intended, but it looks like Bill renamed the file to “waves” before posting.

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