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D.B. Stealey says:
February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Open Thread? OK, check this out. Squares A and B are the same color…
How does that affect your perception of reality?
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I raise you one 🙂
Russia will probably go spending on bolide defenses.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-02/16/c_124351175.htm
Bet the USA puts their 2¢ in.
Except for a biotech with an FDA fast track I’ve decided to lock in profits. REITS, MLP’s most everything else. Hate to do it but you cannot call it a profit if you don’t sell. Especially hate to sell Calumet, CLMT. When it was $20 or below and Jim Crammer @ur momisugly mad money was saying don’t buy I was doubling down and doubling down again. He’s been the perfect reverse barometer on this one. Now it’s about got a $40 handle on it and all those big dividends were reinvested adding shares.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/pimco-el-erian-equity-prices-artificially-high-time-193327198.html?desktop_view_default=true
A strange story unfolding at Bishop Hill’s website…
A whole lot of prominent people met under Bloomberg’s aegis to discuss matters climatological. Among them was David Rose of the Daily Mail..a sceptical journo at a sceptical mid-market newspaper. They swore each other to secrecy under ‘Chatham House’ rules…which mean that individual remarks cannot be attributed.
But now some of the participants wish the very existence of the meeting to be expunged from the record. Here’s what’s left…and which has now been ‘disappeared’.
‘On February 13th at a private dining room in a restaurant in London, the great and good met to discuss climate and energy issues. The meeting was organised by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF), an investment firm involved in renewable energy, and was held to promote their latest idea of emissions reductions measures being designed around minimising emissions intensity (i.e. emissions per unit GDP). However, much of the evening seems to have been spent on climate science.’
See
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/2/16/closing-the-curtain.html
for some more discussion
Personally, whenever I hear of the toxic mix of financiers involved with ‘renewable energy’, journalists, BBC hacks, senior civil servants, MPs and other ‘public representatives’ gathered together in a room, then I am reminded of Adam Smith’s wise words
‘People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
True two hundred and fifty years ago. Still true today.
D.B. Stealey says: February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Open Thread? OK, check this out. Squares A and B are the same color…
How does that affect your perception of reality?”
Yep, they are the same all right. I had to save it and open it in MS Paint, and then cut and pasted a little square from each to the other …can’t even see the joins. Amazing.
@Windmill Casey – Dowton Abbey is not a BBC show its’s from the commercial UK channel ITV
How does Climate alarmism compare with other MASS BRAINWASHING events ?
– Like this morning the phrase “and with the ever increasing effect of climate change” was injected into the end of a report on a BBC science programme.
– History is littered with BELIEFS which seemed absolutely “OBVIOUS” at the time, but then with the “enlightenment of time passing” seem absolutely ridiculous when we look back.
– It can be shown how with relentless “hitting the nail on the head”, the media can can create an beliefs which are obviously true e.g. “Do you remember when we all went crazy last year when Princess Diana died ?” said a journalist, talking about mass hysteria that the press had whipped up many of the public that Diana’s death was the saddest thing of all time.
– To the Nazis it was “obvious” that “The Jews” were responsible for all the bad things in their economy.
– To pre-1960’s USA it was “obvious” that black people were some kid of second class citizen and should not be allowed the same priviliges as whites.
– To many in the past it was “obvious” that homosexuals “are all predatory paedophiles”
How did such things become “obvious” in the mind of the public ? Is it that the media got a sense of urgency about some matters into their minds and decide that keep pushing a line banglng that nail on the head again.
I notice that this phrase “and with the ever increasing effect of climate change” is routinely injected into the end of many news/science TV/radio programmes, as if the presenter is sitting opposite a big poster in the studio which says “Remember to mention Climate change”.
– Again and Again in the past the media somehow found themselves unwittingly fertilizing such beliefs, which have caused so much harm.. Isn’t about time they learnt to be more enlightened and refrained from jumping on bandwagons.
I am in the middle of reading John Kehr’s book “The Inconvenient Sceptic” for the second time and am at a loss to understand why this book has not had more exposure and traction.
Not only does John make what seems to me by far the best analysis I have come across of how the long term climate actually works, but he also explains in some detail why climate science luminaries like Kevin Trenberth and Sir John Houghton got it dreadfully wrong.
Trenberth so far seems to be keeping his head down and has made no attempt to counter Kehr’s accusations which would perhaps suggest that John is on to something and is worth a lot more attention..
Is there anyone else on this thread who has read the book and has any thoughts on this?
Truthseeker says:
February 16, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Something to undemonise(?) CO2 ….
http://climateofsophistry.com/2013/02/12/carbon-positive-campaign/
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It is about time!
Latimer Alder says:
February 17, 2013 at 1:02 am
A strange story unfolding at Bishop Hill’s website…
But now some of the participants wish the very existence of the meeting to be expunged from the record. Here’s what’s left…and which has now been ‘disappeared’.
‘On February 13th at a private dining room in a restaurant in London, the great and good met to discuss climate and energy issues. The meeting was organised by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF), an investment firm involved in renewable energy, and was held to promote their latest idea of emissions reductions measures being designed around minimising emissions intensity (i.e. emissions per unit GDP). However, much of the evening seems to have been spent on climate science.’
See
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/2/16/closing-the-curtain.html
for some more discussion…..
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There IS NO MORE INFO except this.
This comment at BH expresses my view more eloquently and picturesquely than I can.
London247 says:
“I saw something similar in the early 70′s in Northern England with a larger light was in front of a smaller one. Best explanation was either a resupply to a Soviet spacecraft or a miltary air-to-air refuelling ( tanker/fighter) as the smaller one seemed to join with the larger light”
The satellite resupply explanation looks to be the best so far. I think if it had been aircraft refueling, I would have heard something. Also, the lights were tiny, little more than pinpricks. I’ve seen aircraft lights by night and they are brighter. The main things against it are that if the objects were at satellite height, the apparent separation would have represented miles and miles, and they seemed to be uncannily in sync as they moved despite the deviations from a straight line. There’s also the point that I saw it on more than one night: could it have taken several earth orbits, I wonder?
@Windmill Casey Firstly, please remember that PBS videos ( and much of any video content of a commercial nature ) is region specific and given that the US is only ( and I’m sure I’ll get this wrong ;)) 6% or so of the world then many people can’t use them.
But more importantly I’m confused to what you believe the BBC has to do with Downton Abbey. It’s made for and shown on the ITV network ( commercial advertising supported TV, Independent Television Network ). The BBC, like America in relation to the world, is just a small percentage of the TV available to us in Britain 🙂
“It is January 2017, four years hence. The harsh winter has pushed electricity and gas consumption to record highs. Britain’s antique power plants are struggling to cope.”
http://www.thegwpf.org/britains-green-energy-fiasco-running-empty/
“Faced with the prospect of having to impose part-time working, the government decides to risk angering Brussels instead. Miliband orders coal-fired plants, mothballed to comply with European pollution regulations, to be fired up again, even though it means hundreds of millions of pounds of fines for breaking our commitment to cut CO2.
Scaremongering? Not necessarily”
@D.B. Stealey and others. The squares are not identical ( does that mean the same as ‘not the same?’ )
Due to the graduation in the shadow ( which is the layer which is fooling the brain ) the squares are not even equal over the area of the single square, let alone the same at similar points on each other when the hexadecimal code is checked.
http://postimage.org/image/jc95zc0qn/
So I say, pedantically, NOT the same.
cui bono says:
February 16, 2013 at 9:16 am
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If you are not familiar with the work of Louis Kervran they would interest you. Over a period of 40 years or so of meticulous observation and experiment he ‘proved’ that transmutation was occurring in animals and plants, i.e. residuals of certain elements were greater than inputs over time under very tightly controlled conditions, backing up observations going back two centuries or more by others. Without a mechanism to explain this, he and his work was ridiculed or ignored. Quantum tunnelling theory would have been a godsend to him !
@Stew Green at 2:08 am, Thanks. I didn’t really think of it as begging forgiveness as I watched it, but I feared I was just looking for the opposite message, a promotion of the noble lie, so perhaps that’s all it was.
D.B. Stealey says:
February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Open Thread? OK, check this out. Squares A and B are the same color…
How does that affect your perception of reality?
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As an artist I was not surprised, but fooled all the same. Checked by cutting two holes in opaque paper the distance of A and B apart, smaller than the squares. Might come in useful to check some of my own shadow values by the same method.
““and with the ever increasing effect of climate change” is routinely injected into the end of many news/science TV/radio programmes”
You’re right about that, it is routine for journalists and writers to toss a comment like that at the end of almost any media program, no matter what the subject matter. They can be talking about dishwasher soap and you might easily hear a remark like “and with the ever increasing effect of climate change” just added at the end. They don’t say anthropogenic climate change, they just say the generic climate change. I guess its merely assumed that they mean anthropogenic, otherwise there is almost no reason to ad the remark.
Its more than just annoying to hear this, because my children hear these comments and I notice they have no outwardly visible response when they hear it. I guess they hear it frequently enough they must believe its true. I know I would have beleived it when I was that age.
I find this a bit troubling.
As a shameless plug for my obscure site I’d like to announce that I’ve written a sort of spoof of Liberal’s attempt to legislate safety, and to bubblewrap childhood, called “OSHA Snow.”
http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/osha-snow/
Stew Green says:
February 17, 2013 at 2:12 am
How did such things become “obvious” in the mind of the public ? Is it that the media got a sense of urgency about some matters into their minds and decide that keep pushing a line banglng that nail on the head again.
I notice that this phrase “and with the ever increasing effect of climate change” is routinely injected into the end of many news/science TV/radio programmes, as if the presenter is sitting opposite a big poster in the studio which says “Remember to mention Climate change”.
– Again and Again in the past the media somehow found themselves unwittingly fertilizing such beliefs, which have caused so much harm.. Isn’t about time they learnt to be more enlightened and refrained from jumping on bandwagons.
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It is not ‘ unwittingly’ The media is the propaganda arm of the wealthy and has been for close to one hundred years here in the USA. For the details see my comment at Martin Cohen: New York Times has vested interest in climate alarmism
Remember:
The IPCC mandate states:
So it was never about the science of weather and climate, it was about figuring out how to manipulate people into accepting the planned society the wealthy wanted to implement and rob them blind while they were at it. Pascal Lamy Director-general of the World Trade Organization let that cat out of the bag.
The World Bank makes it clear what is in it for the bankers and Financiers:
The ‘Carbon Economy’ is just the newest twist on the old game of “cheating the laboring classes of mankind” ~ Sen. Daniel Webster, because every single one of those dollars come from the pockets of the laboring classes and finds its way into the pockets of the financiers with nothing given in return except the false promise that we are somehow ‘Controlling the Climate’
The Bankers, CEOs, Academics, and Politicians know exactly what they are doing, and that is the complete gutting of western civilization for profit. The lament “it is for our future children” has to be the vilest lie they have ever told, since their actions sell those exact same children into serfdom aka Agenda 21
Also see Follow The Money ~ Climate Quotes and Jo Nova’s Climate Coup — The Politics: How the regulating class is using bogus claims about climate change to entrench and extend their economic privileges and political control.
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Oh and about that comment
That is more Media drummed up brainwashing. We lived next door to a black doctor married to a white nurse and I baby sat for their kids… IN THE SIXTIES. There was discrimination but it was more in the south. Up north it was “the Old Boy Network” not racial discrimination.
As an example, in the 1980’s if you worked for Gillette and were not Roman Catholic you got crap for raises and no promotions. In my department we had a token female (me), a token black and a token Jew, the rest were white male catholics. The tokens did not even get the perks like payment for evening classes. That money was reserved for the non-tokens and most of our cost of living raises were diverted to the pets in the department. We got 1% and the ‘pet’ got 11%. The pet also routinely showed up late, took long lunches and left early. The tokens had to clean up his work left uncompleted and got the blame for his messes and that of the others. The tokens got together with tokens from other departments and compared notes. Last I heard before I left there was mutters of a lawsuit.
And that doesn’t even get into the snobbery of the Boston Brahmins. You really don’t know what the term ‘outsider’ means until you have lived in the Boston area.
In schools today you have the increasing problem of gangs
People are ‘Pack Animals’ and what is said of gangs applies to all groups of people. It is why the wealthy have exclusive clubs like the 1001 Club, the Club of Rome pro and con the Bilderberg Group and for that matter the The World Trade Organization It is why there is an “in-crowd” from the day your kid start school and bullies on the playground. ‘Discrimination’ is part of the human condition and will always be with us. Only the Rule of Law partially defeats it and as the Heartland-Gleick case and all the FOI cases show the belief in the Rule of Law is chasing a chimera.
I have on the CBS Sunday Morning show (9AM EST) for background noise, they’re running a piece about meteorites. At 9:13 they’re talking about the NASA mission that recovers and examines meteorites from Antarctica.
But at 9:06 they tried to severely disrupt and deform something I thought I knew. As they presented it,
It is now accepted my most scientists that 65 million years ago a large asteroid impacted the Earth which sparked massive wildfires which drastically altered the global climate, leading to dinosaur demise blah blah…
Extinction events tied to centuries to millennia of (Siberian) volcanism, the Oxygen Crisis biological shift, post-asteroid impact solar dimming and rapid global cooling… These I have heard.
But massive worldwide wildfires caused by asteroid impact? When did that enter the narrative?
How would that change the global climate? Would all the soot (black carbon) cause warming on the ground, or cooling by solar dimming while high in the air, or…?
There is also that CO₂ spike that would have happened, I guess. Ain’t that stuff supposed to raise global temperatures, and post-impact 65 million years ago there was global cooling instead?
fred houpt says:
February 16, 2013 at 8:56 am: “I just came across this dude a week ago.”
If anyone drops by Suspicious Observers/Observa’s videos, be sure and leave a nice well-reasoned comment about the importance of our energy and agriculture sectors in giving us the best and most prosperous standard of living the world has known. (: I am sure the comments by intelligent viewers will be most welcome.
The liberal idiots are now going to stage a push for Obama to act on “climate change.” I got this from the League of Women voters. They have been hijacked by the socialists. Climate has nothing to do with voting.
“League of Women Voters
Tell President Obama to Lead the Climate Change Fight
“Climate change is not a hoax. More drought and floods and hurricanes and wildfires are not a joke. They’re a threat to our children’s future. And we can do something about it.”
These are the words of President Obama during the 2012 campaign, and we couldn’t agree more. People are dying because of climate change. Our families, our communities and our planet are all threatened by it.
Join the League by calling on the President, to take the historically necessary step of controlling industrial carbon pollution from new and existing power plants. The President can use his existing regulatory authority to make this happen.
The world has known about climate change for decades, yet little has been done to address the issue. The U.S. came close to enacting a comprehensive climate change bill in the early years of your administration when a good bill passed the House, but it was blocked by special interests in the Senate. With the current gridlock in Congress, it seems impossible that any legislative action will be taken to protect our health and our planet.
If President Obama doesn’t do it, it won’t get done. If the United States doesn’t lead, the rest of the world cannot follow.
Tell the President that saving the world is a legacy worth fighting for.”
http://participate.lwv.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6903
D.B. Stealey said on February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm:
Falls apart on closer examination, thus no change. Using GIMP, the color picker (dropper) tool was sometimes giving different values on the same square. At a 1600% zoom, it’s easy to see the edge distortions and to sample pixels from large unbroken regions between the border and the letter.
For the left view, A is primarily HTML color value #6c6c6c, while B is #6b6b6b, a brighter hue. But with B especially, there is quite a mix, making it hard to actually find large isolated regions of one hue, with many specks and splotches of other hues. No wonder the color picker gives confusing results and can report the same color for both.
The outright fraud is on the right view. Now there’s a large unbroken area around the “B”, of #797979, same identical main hue as the framing vertical bars. Likewise A is now primarily #797979.
Thus the only time they are the same color is when they are trying to show they are the same color. The trick is in the “proving”, not in the original perception.
Don’t just watch the pea under the thimbles. Question if it’s even the same pea.
@ZootCadillac 3:43am, Thanks for the info on availability of video and Downton Abbey. I didn’t want to be specific to avoid preconditioning the viewer. Since the story is not from the BBC, my precise suggestion is not valid, but it still relates to the climate issue in a veiled way.
It seems to me now that to get the whole picture, information from previous episodes come into play. Lord Grantham looses his wife’s fortune in The Grand Trunk Railway. Their situation is similar to that of wind farm operators. Grand Trunk Railway made a deal with the government, but because their costs were higher than expected they went into bankruptcy, as we might expect wind farm operators to do down the road.
SPOILER ALERT, THIS IS A VERY DRAMATIC EPISODE, PBS VERSION #4 AND #5, YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT READ THIS NEXT PART IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT!
There is a debate in the episode I mentioned followed by the use of a noble lie. Lord Grantham made the wrong choice following the debate with tragic consequences.(he picked the guy with more credentials rather than the one who knew the patient better) It’s unclear if the right choice would likely have worked out. So Lady Grantham is like the aggrieved tax payer here. Not only did she lose her money, she lost her daughter. So perhaps we have an attack on the alternate energy scam! The use of the noble lie seems far more suitable than what the Warmists have been up to.
@ZootCadillac 3:43am, Thanks for the info on availability of video and Downton Abbey. I didn’t want to be specific to avoid preconditioning the viewer. Since the story is not from the BBC, my precise suggestion is not valid, but it still relates to the climate issue in a veiled way.
It seems to me now that to get the whole picture, information from previous episodes come into play. Lord Grantham looses his wife’s fortune in The Grand Trunk Railway. Their situation is similar to that of wind farm operators. Grand Trunk Railway made a deal with the government, but because their costs were higher than expected they went into bankruptcy, as we might expect wind farm operators to do down the road.
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Spoiler alert!! This is a very dramatic episode, PBS version #4 and #5, you really should not read this next part if you haven’t seen it!
I posted the above in all caps, but I think the spam filter may have swallowed it.
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There is a debate in the episode I mentioned followed by the use of a noble lie. Lord Grantham made the wrong choice following the debate with tragic consequences.(he picked the guy with more credentials rather than the one who knew the patient better) It’s unclear if the right choice would likely have worked out. So Lady Grantham is like the aggrieved tax payer here. Not only did she lose her money, she lost her daughter. So perhaps we have an attack on the alternate energy scam! The use of the noble lie seems far more suitable than what the Warmists have been up to.