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I have some other things to attend to this weekend, posting will be light from me. But I’ve arranged for some entertainment.

Willis will be posting some of his tales of the sea, which will appear below this posting.

Other WUWT authors are welcome to make submissions also.

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Tom in Florida
February 16, 2013 2:03 pm

kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
February 16, 2013 at 11:29 am
Wouldn’t it be easier just to allow people to cash in paper currency for gold whenever they wanted to? Instead of “Federal Reserve Notes” go back to Gold and Silver Certificates that actually represent the value of the precious metals. Of course the government would then have to actually have enough gold in reserve to cover the amount of currency in circulation and that would prevent them from just printing money. But I’m guessing the government spend thrifts would not like that situation very much so you can bet this idea will never go farther than a blog post on an open thread weekend.

Jim Cripwell
February 16, 2013 2:11 pm

Jabre, you write “I’ve previously espoused the virtues of the biofuels mandate”
You seem to be unaware of the history of cellulose ethanol. DOE in the USA, had some $3 billion to get cellulose into production. Congress made it mandatory to use cellulose ethanol. Unfortunately, of the $3 billion, some 300 million was wasted on Range Fuels, who failed to produce any product. So the courts, naturally, said that you did not need use what did not exist.
However, with private money, Poet/DSM are now buildigng a plant ot produce cellulose ethanol; it is my understanding it will come into production early in 2014 – 20 million gallons per year. The claim is made that it will be financially viable if the price of gas is over $2 per gallon wholesale; the current price is over $3. If you are interested, google Project Liberty.
So, dont write off cellulose ethanol. Wait until 2014, and let us see what happens.

February 16, 2013 2:47 pm

All of the co2 that plants absorb when they grow is given back when they die

Well, sort of but not quite. If they are burned, the carbon is quite stable and can remain sequestered for a very long time. You can dig through the ground and find charcoal deposits from thousands of years ago. They are used to date earthquake events along the San Andreas fault, for example. You dig a trench across the fault, note where you see events, take a sample from a charcoal deposit from a wildfire event, date the charcoal and you date the event seismic event.

Gail Combs
February 16, 2013 2:53 pm

would sure appreciate someone to bringing us up to date on Jaxa’s Ibuki gosat observtions
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I had E.M. Smith (ChiefIO) capture the image from last fall Just in case it vanished.
http://chiefio.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jaxa-xco2_l2_201208010831average_v02_11.png?w=640&h=333
It was from here: http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp/index_e.html
And it is still up: http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp/eng/img/XCO2_L2_201208010831average_v02_11.png

D.B. Stealey
February 16, 2013 3:14 pm

Since this is an open thread, a few words on AGW:
Global warming has stalled. The facts are clear. It may resume, or not, or global cooling may follow. But whatever happens, most of us will follow the empirical evidence, rather than engaging in wishful thinking to support our beliefs.
Dr Irving Langmuir explained scientific wishful thinking in a series of lectures titled Pathological Science. Dr Langmuir would no doubt use the term today to describe the belief in AGW. Langmuir explained the symptoms:

Characteristic Symptoms of Pathological Science
The characteristics of this Davis-Barnes experiment and the N-rays and the mitogenetic rays have things in common. These are cases where there is no dishonesty involved but where people are tricked into false results by a lack of understanding about what human beings can do to themselves in the way of being led astray by subjective effects, wishful thinking or threshold interactions. These are examples of pathological science. These are things that attracted a great deal of attention. Usually hundreds of papers have been published upon them. Sometimes they have lasted for fifteen or twenty years and then they gradually die away.
Now, the characteristic rules are these (see Table I}
TABLE I
Symptoms of Pathological Science:
The maximum effect that is observed is produced by a causative agent of barely detectable intensity [think: AGW], and the magnitude of the effect is substantially independent of the intensity of the cause.
The effect is of a magnitude that remains close to the limit of detectability; or, many measurements are necessary because of the very low statistical significance of the results.
Claims of great accuracy.
Fantastic theories contrary to experience.
Criticisms are met by ad hoc excuses thought up on the spur of the moment.
Ratio of supporters to critics rises up to somewhere near 50% and then falls gradually to oblivion.
The maximum effect that is observed is produced by a causative agent of barely detectable intensity. For example, you might think that if one onion root would affect another due to ultraviolet light, you’d think that by putting on an ultraviolet source of light you could get it to work better. Oh no! OH NO! It had to be just the amount of intensity that’s given off by an onion root. Ten onion roots wouldn’t do any better than one and it doesn’t make any difference about the distance of the source. It doesn’t follow any inverse square law or anything as simple as that, and so on. In other words, the effect is independent of the intensity of the cause. That was true in the mitogenetic rays, and it was true in the N-rays. Ten bricks didn’t have any more effect than one. It had to be of low intensity. We know why it had to be of low intensity: so that you could fool yourself so easily. Otherwise, it wouldn’t work. Davis-Barnes worked just as well when the filament was turned off. They counted scintillations.
Another characteristic thing about them all is that, these observations are near the threshold of visibility of the eyes. Any other sense, I suppose, would work as well. Or many measurements are necessary, many measurements because of very low statistical significance of the results.
In the mitogenetic rays particularly it started out by seeing something that was bent. Later on, they would take a hundred onion roots and expose them to something and they would get the average position of all of them to see whether the average had been affected a little bit by an appreciable amount. Or statistical measurements of a very small effect which by taking large numbers were thought to be significant. Now the trouble with that is this. There is a habit with most people, that when measurements of low signifcance are taken they find means of rejecting data. They are right at the threshold value and there are many reasons why you can discard data. Davis and Barnes were doing that right along. If things were doubtful at all why they would discard them or not discard them depending on whether or not they fit the theory. They didn’t know that, but that’s the way it worked out.
There are claims of great accuracy. Barnes was going to get the Rydberg constant more accurately than the spectroscopists could. Great sensitivity or great specificity, we’ll come across that particularly in the Allison effect.
Fantastic theories contrary to experience. In the Bohr theory, the whole idea of an electron being captured by an alpha particle when the alpha particles aren’t there just because the waves are there doesn’t make a very sensible theory.
Criticisms are met by ad hoc excuses thought up on the spur of the moment. They always had an answer — always.
The ratio of the supporters to the critics rises up somewhere near 50% and then falls gradually to oblivion. The critics can’t reproduce the effects. Only the supporters could do that. In the end, nothing was salvaged. Why should there be? There isn’t anything there. There never was. That’s (p.7) characteristic of the effect. Well, I’ll go quickly on to some of the other things…[source]

AGW fits this template exactly. There is no measurable, empirical evidence of AGW. It is a conjecture. As atmospheric CO2 continues to rise steadily, the Null Hypothesis remains un-falsified: there are still no measurable effects that can be directly attributed to AGW. That may well be because there isn’t anything to measure.

Gail Combs
February 16, 2013 3:22 pm

KevinM says:
February 16, 2013 at 8:04 am
It is snowing right now in Raleigh NC.
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It has been snowing all day ~ 50 miles South of Raleigh. The ground is too warm for it to stick though.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
February 16, 2013 3:22 pm

Re Tom in Florida on February 16, 2013 at 2:03 pm:
You have invoked that annoying word, “government”. Real gold slips would be a commodity item that (in theory) anyone could make and sell.
Plus you know the government would finagle things, like figuring they only have to have 5% of the gold on hand to cover possible (small) runs, if more currency/certificates were to be redeemed then the government, as they would promise to do based on a law, would then buy more gold. Of course in case of dire national emergencies they’d temporarily suspend the law, like wars in foreign countries, imminent threat of complete fiscal collapse and depression, or they need to fund “incentives” to special interest groups in return for election votes…
Major problem though, is our total money supply, adding up all of the digital bits and tally marks floating around the financial system that “proves” such monies exist, which “naturally” grew with assorted creative banking maneuvers and financial instruments that showed gains without losses elsewhere, etc, is actually many quadrillions of dollars. We could never afford to back even 1% with real gold.
I could make and sell gold jewelry. I could make and sell little gold beads and bars. As long as I’m honest, no deception, I’m selling what I say it is, no problem.
Now if someone who makes the slips wants to sell ones with 1/50th an ounce of 24K pure gold “printed” on them, and that’s exactly what they are, exactly as labeled, for $20.05 each (gold price plus charge to make) plus sales tax, why should the government complain?
They’ll gripe later, as it will be “bartering” to exchange one for $20 of goods and services, and they’re already upset people aren’t properly reporting barter deals on their income tax returns. Trade your chickens’ eggs for your neighbor’s corn, and someday you might go to jail for tax evasion!

D.B. Stealey
February 16, 2013 3:32 pm

kadaka,
It is not necessary to have 100% of physical gold backing a currency. That is because gold itself is far more clumsy to deal with; 10 ounces of gold weighs a pound.
What is necessary is trust in the currency issuer. So long as there is confidence that one can always exchange a note for gold, the ratio of currency to physical gold can be several times as much.
Of course, the trust that the populace had in government from the founding of the Republic until the early 1900’s is long gone, so maybe now it would be necessary to have a 1 : 1 ratio. In any case, a gold standard would be far preferable to what we have now — a private, secretive corporation controlling the money supply.

jorgekafkazar
February 16, 2013 3:32 pm

Jim Cripwell says: “So, dont write off cellulose ethanol. Wait until 2014, and let us see what happens.”
Cellulose ethanol is the wave of the future. And always will be.

DirkH
February 16, 2013 3:41 pm

Jim Cripwell says:
February 16, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“However, with private money, Poet/DSM are now buildigng a plant ot produce cellulose ethanol; it is my understanding it will come into production early in 2014 – 20 million gallons per year. The claim is made that it will be financially viable if the price of gas is over $2 per gallon wholesale; the current price is over $3. If you are interested, google Project Liberty.
So, dont write off cellulose ethanol. Wait until 2014, and let us see what happens.”
The problem with ethanol from cellulose is that you need to transport the plant material to the ethanol plant with all the water in it, and then remove the water. Both of which cost together more energy than the ethanol contains energy.
http://www.projectliberty.com/how-it-works/
All that they say about their process is that they will use the lignin in the biomass (the wood polymer) to run the process. Wait, you burn the wood component and that suffices to extract the water and separate the biomass into cellulose and lignin?
I have the very strong impression that they forgot the most important ingredient – taxpayer dollars. I don’t believe their process can deliver net energy. Maybe they have some new trick like encymes or GM bacteria but with the information they give I’d say this plant will run exactly as long as it’s subsidized.

London247
February 16, 2013 3:54 pm

Jeff Wood
KevinK’s explanation sums it up nicely. For optical phenemena try ” Light and Colour in the Outdoors.” by M.G.J Minnaert. Has very strightforwrd expalnations for a whole host of things, some you never knew were there. It shows there is a huge difference between looking and seeing.
Micaeal Larkin
I saw something similar in the early 70’s in Northern England with a larger light was in front of a smaller one. Best explanation was either a resupply to a Soviet spacecraft or a miltary air-to-air refuelling ( tanker/fighter) as the smaller one seemed to join with the larger light

Dubya G
February 16, 2013 3:59 pm

D.B. Stealey says:
February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Unlike the human eye (and brain), a digital camera can only interpret what it ‘sees’ in terms of ‘shades of grey’. We can ‘see’ white snow as white, where the digital camera will interpret it as a grey shade of differing intensity (because nothing can be that white!). Which is, of course, why wintertime snaps of snowy scenes are mostly underwhelming, unless the camera operator adjusts to over-expose, and let in more light.
You present a very good example of this phenomenon.

Frederick Michael
February 16, 2013 4:08 pm

D.B. Stealey says:
February 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Open Thread? OK, check this out. Squares A and B are the same color…
How does that affect your perception of reality?
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Since I normally use a projector as my monitor, it’s easy for me to check this. I insert cards into the projected beam and can look at A and B out of context and thus check their actual darkness.
They are NOT equal.

February 16, 2013 4:09 pm
Paul Vaughan
February 16, 2013 4:11 pm

This paper draws attention to relative non-linear scaling of physically differing quantities sharing a common driver:
Lu, H.; Li, Y.; Clilverd, M.A.; Jarvis, M.J. (2012). Trend and abrupt changes in long-term geomagnetic indices. Revised for Journal of Geophysical Research – Space Physics 08-03-2012.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/18615/1/LuEtAl_2011JA017422_JGR_SpacePhysics.pdf
Here’s what they’re trying to say:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1754/rxdimanim.gif

Those are cross-recurrence plots of:
1. (a) sunspot numbers and (b) square root of sunspot numbers. Remember that the geomagnetic indices have a power law distribution. And recall the V^2 term in BV^2.
2. 5.5-year full-width-at-half-max (FWHM) gaussian-smoothed second order central differences of (a) sunspot numbers and (b) the base 2 logarithm of sunspot numbers. This focuses attention on cycle components only — but note well that the same changepoint dates get emphasized as in (1).
This is an opportune time to remind everyone of the following:
Mursula, K.; & Zieger, B. (2001). Long-term north-south asymmetry in solar wind speed inferred from geomagnetic activity: A new type of century-scale solar oscillation? Geophysical Research Letters 28(1), 95-98.
http://spaceweb.oulu.fi/~kalevi/publications/MursulaAndZieger2001.pdf
Yes, for sure:
Seasonally-normalized annual & semiannual solar-terrestrial resonance persistence — measured from sunspot numbers via complex wavelet resonator:
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/3756/c1a6mo.gif
Note the switching of the annual track from boreal winter to boreal summer. Those patterns are measured from nothing other than sunspot numbers, confirming what Mursula & Zieger (2001) found in geomagnetic aa index. Their paper is a landmark classic.
By the way, here’s what happens when you tidy up the middle panel of their figure 3 by using multi-extent complex wavelets to summarize the hierarchically cyclically-structured volatility:
Solar-Terrestrial Magnetic Polarity Weave
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4232/solarterrestrialmagneti.png
Lu, Li, Clilverd, & Jarvis, (2012) were eminently wise to conclude as follows:
“The conclusion is made on the basis of our analysis, that a simple stepwise correction of aa around the time when instrumental change or site-relocation took place may not result in a proper correction of aa. A correction of this kind may introduce a large and uncalculated uncertainty, making it harder to detect and to understand the true cause of the discrepancy among geomagnetic indices.”
Background material:
a. Recurrence Plots at a Glance
http://www.recurrence-plot.tk/glance.php
b. Volatility Clustering
http://www.riskglossary.com/link/volatility_clustering.htm
c. Chandler Wobble Phase Reversal
There’s a lot more to this story — informally – a bit at a time as time & resources permit.

Tom in Florida
February 16, 2013 4:22 pm

kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
February 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm
“You have invoked that annoying word, “government”. Real gold slips would be a commodity item that (in theory) anyone could make and sell.”
Perhaps locally but certainly not across the country or internationally unless some government entity certifies a standard. But there goes that word “government” again. Now I agree with your sentiment that government controlling the money supply with “good faith system” is a horrible circumstance but unfortunately it is what we are stuck with and there is no turning back without creating a financial disaster for the average person.
“I could make and sell gold jewelry. I could make and sell little gold beads and bars. As long as I’m honest, no deception, I’m selling what I say it is, no problem. Now if someone who makes the slips wants to sell ones with 1/50th an ounce of 24K pure gold “printed” on them, and that’s exactly what they are, exactly as labeled, for $20.05 each (gold price plus charge to make) plus sales tax, why should the government complain?”
Simple enough but for everyday use it would become a cumbersome procedure having to test every thing, every time to be sure you are not being cheated. Just think of restaurants, they must check all provisions they have delivered each and every time because if they don’t they will get shorted. So if I go to buy some groceries am I going to have to wait while every customer’s payment slip gets verified? How is a cashier going to be able to keep track of the multitudes of different slips that could be presented? And who do you complain to when the store tells you your payment type isn’t what you claim it to be and they demand more? Who decides?

wsbriggs
February 16, 2013 4:29 pm

Most people don’t realize that until the Federal Reserve was created in the last century, money was printed not by the Treasury, but by banks. You can buy Gold Certificates issued by banks in the 1880s. Like was mentioned before, it was about trust. Minnesota bank currency circulated largely in the midwest, SF bank currency circulated on the West Coast. The Treasury defined the dollar to be 1/20th of an ounce of gold. There was a fixed exchange rate for silver to gold to satisfy the silver mining companies. (OK, technically there were three National Banks which printed US currency, the first existing prior to Jacksons’ Presidency, and which he closed). Each time we get a National Bank, we get inflation.
Today debit cards could function as fungible gold proxies.

Ray
February 16, 2013 5:16 pm

John Bell says:
February 15, 2013 at 3:01 pm
“……………….If you really want to be green, live like the Amish. No phone, no lights, no motor car, not a single luxury, like 1793, it’s as primitive as can be.”
John,
Not true. To keep themselves clean pure the Amish simply sub-contract for modern services (use cash they do) i.e they pay for shuttles to the shpping malls, use the neighbors phone or a borrowed cell phone on the train and go to the hospital when sick or injured just like the rest of us. Consider, it takes a Pittsburgh and a thousand years of industrial experience to make an axehead, let alone a Stihl chainsaw.

u.k.(us)
February 16, 2013 5:19 pm

OK, here we go.
They are not ship-waves, they have no resemblance of one.
Yet we get:
“Ship-wave-shape wave clouds induced by Iceberg A62, South Atlantic Ocean”
For a lead to this link:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/imagery/single.cgi?image=A62.A2013044.1150.500m.jpg
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Why are ships even mentioned ?, they have no bearing upon the cloud formations.

DirkH
February 16, 2013 5:33 pm

Frederick Michael says:
February 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm
“Since I normally use a projector as my monitor, it’s easy for me to check this. I insert cards into the projected beam and can look at A and B out of context and thus check their actual darkness.
They are NOT equal.”
I used the pipette tool from MSPAINT.They looked equal. Might be tiny differences; the diffuse shadow of the cylinder leads to slight shading differences. The point is that the brain tells us that one of the squares is black and the other is white while the gray shade is actually equal or nearly equal.

Mick J
February 16, 2013 5:54 pm

pat says:
February 15, 2013 at 2:54 pm
watch your pensions, folks:
15 Feb: Bloomberg: Sally Bakewell: Canadian Pension-Backed Group Plans Wind Power for Prison
Partnerships for Renewables, backed with 100 million pounds ($155 million) of Canadian pension and infrastructure-fund money, will build as much as 500 megawatts of wind power at land owned by U.K. prisons and other bodies…
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Perhaps they should be advised of what happened at this UK prison. Apparently nuisance law suits and the like is a popular pastime in UK prisons.
“Turbine shadows ‘upset prisoners’
Whitemoor Prison
The sun hits the turbine blades at an angle and causes the shadows
A wind turbine near a top-security prison is being switched off in the early mornings because the flickering shadows it creates annoy inmates.
The £1m turbine next to Whitemoor Prison near March, Cambridgeshire, produces electricity for 4,000 homes.
But Longhill Energy has agreed to halt the turbine because of possible “security problems” if prisoners became upset over the flickering shadows.
The firm says the flicker only happens at certain times of the year.
Managing director Martin Adler said: “At this time of the year the sun hits the blades of the turbine at a certain angle and creates flickering shadows over parts of the prison.
Problem of angle
“We’ve discussed the problem with the prison authorities and agreed to turn the turbine off for a few hours in the early morning.”
He said eventually new technology would stop the turbine automatically when the sun was at a problem angle.
A Home Office spokeswoman said: “We can confirm that HMP Whitemoor is in discussions with the turbine company over the operation of their wind turbine.
“The Prison Service is reaching an agreement whereby the wind turbine does not interfere with the smooth running of the prison.”
The turbine was switched on five months ago.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4424201.stm

Truthseeker
February 16, 2013 6:09 pm

Something to undemonise(?) CO2 ….
http://climateofsophistry.com/2013/02/12/carbon-positive-campaign/
(Supported by Dr Tim Ball …)

john
February 16, 2013 6:26 pm

Gail Combs says:
February 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Well said.
john from DB.

February 16, 2013 7:09 pm

Ray says:
February 16, 2013 at 5:16 pm

I grew up in an area with a lot of Amish. They do use some electric stuff. For example, their milk barns have electricity by government regulation. They keep the milk in refrigerated tanks and use modern milking machines. They roller skate (not kidding) to the local corner store and use the pay phone or borrow someone’s phone. I can corroborate that they do pay people to shuttle them around. If they have a store, it has a phone, an electric cash register, refrigerators, etc. An Amish owned convenience store looks just like any other except for the proliferation of handcrafts that are often for sale.

Khwarizmi
February 16, 2013 7:36 pm

Frederick Michael
I insert cards into the projected beam and can look at A and B out of context and thus check their actual darkness.
They are NOT equal.

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They ARE equal! The hexadecimal values for the Red Green and Blue registers for the pixels (picture element) in the rhombus marked “A” are 79, 79 and 79. The rhombus marked “B” has exactly the same numerical values — 79, 79 and 79. As you explained, you examined the two equal things “out of context,” performing an interpretation instead of a measurement.
It is worth noting that your brain not only
correctly interpreted two different shades that are actually the same, based on real-word rules, but it also interpreted squares (4 sides, 4 right angles) that don’t really exist in the picture. In the real world, the squares on a chessboard, when viewed from an angle, project near-rhombus trapezoids onto the 2D surface of the retina. That is why we “see” squares on the 2D picture of a chessboard. That is also why the “squares” A and B appear “black” and “white” instead of the same shade that they really are. In the real world, you want to see a chessboard, not light levels.
We don’t actually see the world; we rebuild one in our minds from the 2D mess projected onto the retina.