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I’m sure readers remember the billboard put out by Heartland that didn’t go over at all well with many. Here’s another asking “Who do you believe”?
It’s a tough question for the pro AGW side, and an easy answer for everyone else. You can choose your answer in the poll.
This billboard was done by CFACT.org
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For those who voted for Obama beware of the exact phrase used. He states,’…any particular event…’, that leaves him the option of still being able to claim a trend in weather can be pinned on global warming.
Watch these people, they are slippery.
Obama says one thing… then signs another. I honestly believe either he cant read or he has the most inept staff EVER!!!.. Folks are figuring out Obamacare is nothing like he said it was, why would they believe him now even if he were telling the truth.
If Al Gore told me that night follows day, I’d be stood on the highest hill at sunset to check for myself.
Mobius Loop says:
February 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
“No Scientific Institution of national standing in the world now disagrees”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_verecundiam
Do you also have evidence?
Mark Bofill says: @ur momisugly February 9, 2013 at 11:54 am
…..Why is it that the only politicians I think are basically honest come across as complete nut cases (yes I’m referring to Ron Paul)?…..
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Because it is an intentional and deliberate method of side-lining the opposition. See WUWT, the medicalization of dissent. Look at what Lewandowsky is doing to skeptics or what was done in the Soviet Union. The International Association on Political Use of Psychiatry
George Santayana wrote in 1905
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
Therefore I suggest reading:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Tragedy_Hope_excerpt.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/Anglo_American_Estab.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/Naked_Capitalist.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Wall_Street_Rise_Hitler.html
(Prof. Carroll Quigely was Bill Clinton’s mentor)
Illustration of the above in action since 1945 with 5 pages of references to support the text.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html
Insider information:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/IMF_WB/Budhoo_IMF.html
The long term goals are spelled out by director of the World Trade Organization. Pay attention to the fact this started as a worldwide agreement in the 1930’s and Lamy’s repeated emphasis of ‘legitimacy’ or the buy-in of the people to be ruled.
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=9174
http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/sppl_e/sppl220_e.htm
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=8216
Lamy, Clinton and Blair all teach at the London School of Economics. (Founded by the Fabian Society) Anthony Giddens, Director of the London School of Economics came up with The Third Way
Last checkout these LSE graduates, Fabians and Eugenicists.
(see Pointman’s essay )
Francis Galton
Beatrice Webb
Sydney Webb
H.G. Wells
“The real George Bernard Shaw”
Margaret Mead
Margaret Sanger
Julian Huxley
John Maynard Keynes
John Dewey see AMERICAN FABIANISM and Dumbing Down America
It is fitting to end with another 1905 George Santayana quote.
“Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim.”
Obama’s statement is certainly true, but I imagine his next sentence had an important ‘but’, followed by a string of lies.
Gore’s statement is not just false, it is obvious nonsense. Although Sandy may have been the largest hurricane observed during the satellite era (in terms of diameter), by the time it made landfall it had been downgraded so, strictly speaking, New York wasn’t hit by a hurricane at all last November. The damage was done by the storm surge, not by high winds. If I remember correctly, Willis noted that the sea temperature along Sandy’s path was similar to the sixties. And, of course, there have been a number of similar storms over the last couple of centuries. These storms are bound to happen if you wait long enough. Oh, yes, one more thing: globally the overall intensity of hurricanes has been falling for the last few decades. For Gore that really is an inconvenient truth.
After some modest warming in the last century, we’ve got used to quite benign conditions. Unfortunately this won’t last forever. Many records show that the world becomes more stormy when the world gets colder.
Chris
Chris G says:
February 9, 2013 at 11:47 am
….In this case, both are correct. The increasing level of energy in the system is creating more frequent unusual weather events…..
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And where is your PROOF?
This is from Chris Landsea a world expert on Hurricanes, IPCC author and believer in Global Warming. However he is also an honest scientist with integrity.
The infighting:
Climategate e-mail Correspondence with Chris Landsea
Some ‘scientist’ have made it clear that “to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination…. we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements
From Dr Stephen Schneider, of Stanford University. Schneider was a coming ice age proponent in the 1970s
~ On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ~
In other words we are being intentionally LIED TO for political reasons.
Heck the IPCC was never about the climate in the first place. The IPCC mandate is not to figure out what factors effect the climate but to dig up the facts needed to scare humans. Humans were tried and found guilty BEFORE the IPCC ever looked at a scientific fact. I do not care if you are socialist, capitalist or any other flavor, the fact that the UN, a collection of dictators is holding conferences on “Global Governance” and also putting together something like the IPCC and the Earth Summits to convince us into handing THEM control is what is REALLY SCARY.
The IPCC mandate states:
Vince Causey says:
February 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Wow. Based on the poll, the correct answer is “neither one.” So not attributing any particular weather event to climate change is a false statement, and so is attributing a weather event to climate change. Now I’m confused.
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The question is “Who do you believe”? I do not believe either man since they are both liars.
I will go do the research on the question and make up my own mind, not be fed pablum by blithering idiots.
Reflection:
Science has never been the driver behind climate science. Consider this recent Forbes article, at least the first few paragraphs:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/
And if you really want to understand your oponents, the essay posted at Powerline by Horowitz at:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/david-horowitz-how-republicans-can-win.php
then, to underscore what Horowitz is saying, read about the Dunning-Kruger effect at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Trying to separate the Left’s science guys from Bill Nye to Phil Jones may allow one a bit of feeling superior but, after how many years, now, has their “science” ranged from creakity faulty
to absurb lies? Yet, how many windmills are being built? How many solar panels being built? How many gallons on non-existant bio-fuel mash is poured into your gas tank? And the list goes on and on. Gore’s half way to being a billionaire and will likely make it. Simply put, there’s been an incredibly enormous waste of resources, bogus redirection of capital and a set crushing regulations and laws with the US Congress set to fight over how many billions to shovel into the abyss.
Reviewing this and the prior post on Heartland, it’s clear what one must consider simply huge percentages of Western voters will continue the march. It certainly won’t be the science guys that debate the science that finally halts this madness. What is happening is their solutions simply do not work. Even the Brits seem to understand that as their pensioners ride rails to keep warm since not even wool blankets over coats over sweaters over outer wear over long under ware and bunny boots (I’ve been to the UK – a miserably cold place in winter) allow them to stay home. But even they are fighting a huge fight over using their own natural gas as we watch the latest north winds sweep their nation(s).
One may have to reconcile that it won’t be ‘the opposition” that carries the day back to sanity but rather the collapse of their schemes. Even then, however, unless the Left is put into the same box as proponents of the superiority of the Aryan Race, it won’t make much difference. You can fight the climate wars and win but they just go on.
Read Horowitz.
h.oldeboom says: @ur momisugly February 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
In the Netherlands, politicians are the most experienced lyers in the country; how are they in the USA?
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dmacleo says: @ur momisugly February 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm
they probably train your guys.
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Nah, The all get trained at the London School of Economics
List is too long to reproduce so go to WIKI
A few notables:
John F Kennedy President USA
Pierre Trudeau, Prime minister Canada
Kim Campbel, Prime minister Canada
Robert Hill, Defence Minister Australia
Christian Porter, Treasurer and Attorney-General of Western Australia
HM Queen Margrethe II, Queen Denmark
Romano Prodi President of the European Commission
Heinrich Brüning Chancellor of Germany (1930-32)
Constantine Simitis Prime minister Greece
George Papandreou Prime minister Greece
Romano Prodi Prime minister Italy
Taro Aso Prime minister Japan
Saif al-Islam Muammar al-Gaddafi, Prime Minister Libya, 2007–2011
Jomo Kenyatta 1st President Kenya
Marek Belka Prime minister Poland
Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai
Alfonso Lopez Pumarejo & Juan Manuel Santos, President Colombia
David Rockefeller, George Soros, Peter Sutherland, BP and Goldman Sachs chairman and a ton of others.
And those who did not go to school there are visiting lecturers such as Bill Clinton, Pascal Lamy (WTO) Tony Blair,
Slip of the tongue betrays true quality of elite: Erik Ringmar defends his comparison of LSE with London Met This is the very telling statement.
Is it politically incorrect to give Obama any credit at WUWT? I suspect that Anthony knew very well from the outset the result of his poll. By giving his mainly Republican readers the option to choose “neither” to the rather vague question “who[m!] do you believe?” he gave them the cop-out answer to say that politicians are not to be believed by definition, hence “neither”. If the question would have been phrased “whose statement was the most believable?” 99% of his readers would have been forced to agree with Obama. Wouldn’t that be hilarious?
ps. I am a global warming sceptic and politically from the right wing which would make me (here in Europe) essentially a Democrate. Only the extreme right is Europe would have any affinity for the Republicans.
Chris Schoneveld says:
February 10, 2013 at 5:07 am
Is it politically incorrect to give Obama any credit at WUWT? I suspect that Anthony knew very well from the outset the result of his poll…..
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Many of us knew what the rest of the paragraph was that Obama’s quote came from.
“The politician is a type of creature known for its propensity to lie, exaggerate, embellish, and use all kinds of hysterical or bombastic attention-getting.” ~ Rick Gaber
Don’t tell me you actually believe politicians, I certainly don’t.
it has not occurred to anyone here the folly of those playing with ha(a)rps? in that case both assertions would be correct. yes?
If Gore finds out about this poll, he’ll probably unleash one of his Gorebot minions to write a script to automatically vote for the Gore quote. His minions haven’t had much to do since the 24 hour Gorethon concluded.
it was no bogus to be compared with some massmurderer on the billboard owned bij the Heartland Institute;
@ur momisugly h.Oldenboom
yes you are right, we have a lot of VVD en PVV environmental-idiots
we cannot vote that both (Gore and Obama) are right,
cfact, if you make that choicepossible, I will vote
Chris Schoneveld says:
February 10, 2013 at 5:07 am
“ps. I am a global warming sceptic and politically from the right wing which would make me (here in Europe) essentially a Democrate.”
I’m German. Chris is right. There are no conservatives in Europe.
President Zero’s actions speak far louder than any brief truism. Deception/diversion as usual.
Why can’t we vote for both of them? They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they’re both spot on true.
Just like the Q “Do you still beat your wife?” has no good answer, choosing either of these options suggests the other statement is wrong. It’s a false choice.
The people who post here are the greatest !
When I first looked at this I said it is a trick like
“have you stopped beating you wife”.
The posts here should be required reading before voting.
Thank you Anthony !
Alfred
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Chris Schoneveld,
Although I am a USA citizen from birth, I have never been a USA Republican Party supporter and I am a long time denizen of WUWT.
I might point out that I doubt that any of the large contingent of international WUWT folks are of the USA Republican Party.
As to your argument about politics in Europe that imply less craziness than in the USA, well it does seen that since early in the 20th century till present it was European politics which had the effect of causing several worldwide scoped military type devastations . . . n’est ce pas?
John
You cite some really, really credible sources there ma’am; how many of them would you reckon would stand up against a strong and complete ‘cross’ examination in light of actual facts?
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I’d answer both. Hurricanes events will continue regardless of agw and are historically common events so a sign of things to come? Of course. BHO’s comment of course
Station? STATION?
Out of curiosity, what were the FCC assigned CALL LETTERS of said station? Where was it located?
(PS and on the QT to all others reading: Algore sold (ostensibly) a content-generating network, not a ‘station’ … Mike may just not have grasped that at the time and therefore seems to be propagating this error forward …),
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