Another billboard about bogus climate claims

People send me stuff.

I’m sure readers remember the billboard put out by Heartland that didn’t go over at all well with many.  Here’s another asking “Who do you believe”?

It’s a tough question for the pro AGW side, and an easy answer for everyone else. You can choose your answer in the poll.

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Steve Jones
February 10, 2013 1:33 am

For those who voted for Obama beware of the exact phrase used. He states,’…any particular event…’, that leaves him the option of still being able to claim a trend in weather can be pinned on global warming.
Watch these people, they are slippery.

pkatt
February 10, 2013 1:33 am

Obama says one thing… then signs another. I honestly believe either he cant read or he has the most inept staff EVER!!!.. Folks are figuring out Obamacare is nothing like he said it was, why would they believe him now even if he were telling the truth.

Keith Guy
February 10, 2013 1:48 am

If Al Gore told me that night follows day, I’d be stood on the highest hill at sunset to check for myself.

DirkH
February 10, 2013 2:26 am

Mobius Loop says:
February 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
“No Scientific Institution of national standing in the world now disagrees”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_verecundiam
Do you also have evidence?

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 2:59 am

Mark Bofill says: February 9, 2013 at 11:54 am
…..Why is it that the only politicians I think are basically honest come across as complete nut cases (yes I’m referring to Ron Paul)?…..
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Because it is an intentional and deliberate method of side-lining the opposition. See WUWT, the medicalization of dissent. Look at what Lewandowsky is doing to skeptics or what was done in the Soviet Union. The International Association on Political Use of Psychiatry
George Santayana wrote in 1905
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
Therefore I suggest reading:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Tragedy_Hope_excerpt.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/Anglo_American_Estab.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/Naked_Capitalist.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Wall_Street_Rise_Hitler.html
(Prof. Carroll Quigely was Bill Clinton’s mentor)
Illustration of the above in action since 1945 with 5 pages of references to support the text.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html
Insider information:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/IMF_WB/Budhoo_IMF.html
The long term goals are spelled out by director of the World Trade Organization. Pay attention to the fact this started as a worldwide agreement in the 1930’s and Lamy’s repeated emphasis of ‘legitimacy’ or the buy-in of the people to be ruled.
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=9174
http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/sppl_e/sppl220_e.htm
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=8216
Lamy, Clinton and Blair all teach at the London School of Economics. (Founded by the Fabian Society) Anthony Giddens, Director of the London School of Economics came up with The Third Way
Last checkout these LSE graduates, Fabians and Eugenicists.
(see Pointman’s essay )
Francis Galton
Beatrice Webb
Sydney Webb
H.G. Wells
“The real George Bernard Shaw”
Margaret Mead
Margaret Sanger
Julian Huxley
John Maynard Keynes
John Dewey see AMERICAN FABIANISM and Dumbing Down America
It is fitting to end with another 1905 George Santayana quote.
“Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim.”

Chris Wright
February 10, 2013 3:18 am

Obama’s statement is certainly true, but I imagine his next sentence had an important ‘but’, followed by a string of lies.
Gore’s statement is not just false, it is obvious nonsense. Although Sandy may have been the largest hurricane observed during the satellite era (in terms of diameter), by the time it made landfall it had been downgraded so, strictly speaking, New York wasn’t hit by a hurricane at all last November. The damage was done by the storm surge, not by high winds. If I remember correctly, Willis noted that the sea temperature along Sandy’s path was similar to the sixties. And, of course, there have been a number of similar storms over the last couple of centuries. These storms are bound to happen if you wait long enough. Oh, yes, one more thing: globally the overall intensity of hurricanes has been falling for the last few decades. For Gore that really is an inconvenient truth.
After some modest warming in the last century, we’ve got used to quite benign conditions. Unfortunately this won’t last forever. Many records show that the world becomes more stormy when the world gets colder.
Chris

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 3:56 am

Chris G says:
February 9, 2013 at 11:47 am
….In this case, both are correct. The increasing level of energy in the system is creating more frequent unusual weather events…..
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And where is your PROOF?
This is from Chris Landsea a world expert on Hurricanes, IPCC author and believer in Global Warming. However he is also an honest scientist with integrity.

What is Wrong with Embellishing Science?
Yesterday, before heading back to the National Hurricane Center to help deal with Sandy, Chris Landsea gave a great talk here at CU on hurricanes and climate change….he explained that he has no doubts that humans affect the climate system through the emission of greenhouse gases,…. Chris argued that any such influence is expected to be small today, almost certainly undetectable, and that this view is not particularly controversial among tropical cyclone climatologists. He concluded that hurricanes should not be the “poster” representing a human influence on climate.
After his talk someone in the audience asked him what is wrong with making a connection between hurricanes and climate change if it gives the general public reason for concern about climate change. Chris responded that asserting such a connection can be easily shown to be incorrect and thus risks some of the trust that the public has in scientists to play things straight….

The infighting:
Climategate e-mail Correspondence with Chris Landsea

Chris Landsea Leaves IPCC
This is an open letter to the community from Chris Landsea.
Dear colleagues,
After some prolonged deliberation, I have decided to withdraw from participating in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). I am withdrawing because I have come to view the part of the IPCC to which my expertise is relevant as having become politicized. In addition, when I have raised my concerns to the IPCC leadership, their response was simply to dismiss my concerns.
……The IPCC is a group of climate researchers from around the world that every few years summarize how climate is changing and how it may be altered in the future due to manmade global warming. I had served both as an author for the Observations chapter and a Reviewer for the 2nd Assessment Report in 1995 and the 3rd Assessment Report in 2001, primarily on the topic of tropical cyclones (hurricanes and typhoons). My work on hurricanes, and tropical cyclones more generally, has been widely cited by the IPCC. For the upcoming AR4, I was asked several weeks ago by the Observations chapter Lead Author – Dr. Kevin Trenberth – to provide the writeup for Atlantic hurricanes. As I had in the past, I agreed to assist the IPCC in what I thought was to be an important, and politically-neutral determination of what is happening with our climate.
Shortly after Dr. Trenberth requested that I draft the Atlantic hurricane section for the AR4’s Observations chapter, Dr. Trenberth participated in a press conference organized by scientists at Harvard on the topic “Experts to warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense hurricane activity” along with other media interviews on the topic. The result of this media interaction was widespread coverage that directly connected the very busy 2004 Atlantic hurricane season as being caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming occurring today. Listening to and reading transcripts of this press conference and media interviews, it is apparent that Dr. Trenberth was being accurately quoted and summarized in such statements and was not being misrepresented in the media. These media sessions have potential to result in a widespread perception that global warming has made recent hurricane activity much more severe.
I found it a bit perplexing that the participants in the Harvard press conference had come to the conclusion that global warming was impacting hurricane activity today. To my knowledge, none of the participants in that press conference had performed any research on hurricane variability, nor were they reporting on any new work in the field. All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability has shown no reliable, long-term trend up in the frequency or intensity of tropical cyclones, either in the Atlantic or any other basin. The IPCC assessments in 1995 and 2001 also concluded that there was no global warming signal found in the hurricane record.

Moreover, the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global warming upon hurricane will likely be quite small….

Some ‘scientist’ have made it clear that “to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination…. we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements
From Dr Stephen Schneider, of Stanford University. Schneider was a coming ice age proponent in the 1970s
~ On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ~
In other words we are being intentionally LIED TO for political reasons.
Heck the IPCC was never about the climate in the first place. The IPCC mandate is not to figure out what factors effect the climate but to dig up the facts needed to scare humans. Humans were tried and found guilty BEFORE the IPCC ever looked at a scientific fact. I do not care if you are socialist, capitalist or any other flavor, the fact that the UN, a collection of dictators is holding conferences on “Global Governance” and also putting together something like the IPCC and the Earth Summits to convince us into handing THEM control is what is REALLY SCARY.
The IPCC mandate states:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 4:03 am

Vince Causey says:
February 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Wow. Based on the poll, the correct answer is “neither one.” So not attributing any particular weather event to climate change is a false statement, and so is attributing a weather event to climate change. Now I’m confused.
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The question is “Who do you believe”? I do not believe either man since they are both liars.
I will go do the research on the question and make up my own mind, not be fed pablum by blithering idiots.

cedarhill
February 10, 2013 4:14 am

Reflection:
Science has never been the driver behind climate science. Consider this recent Forbes article, at least the first few paragraphs:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/
And if you really want to understand your oponents, the essay posted at Powerline by Horowitz at:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/david-horowitz-how-republicans-can-win.php
then, to underscore what Horowitz is saying, read about the Dunning-Kruger effect at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Trying to separate the Left’s science guys from Bill Nye to Phil Jones may allow one a bit of feeling superior but, after how many years, now, has their “science” ranged from creakity faulty
to absurb lies? Yet, how many windmills are being built? How many solar panels being built? How many gallons on non-existant bio-fuel mash is poured into your gas tank? And the list goes on and on. Gore’s half way to being a billionaire and will likely make it. Simply put, there’s been an incredibly enormous waste of resources, bogus redirection of capital and a set crushing regulations and laws with the US Congress set to fight over how many billions to shovel into the abyss.
Reviewing this and the prior post on Heartland, it’s clear what one must consider simply huge percentages of Western voters will continue the march. It certainly won’t be the science guys that debate the science that finally halts this madness. What is happening is their solutions simply do not work. Even the Brits seem to understand that as their pensioners ride rails to keep warm since not even wool blankets over coats over sweaters over outer wear over long under ware and bunny boots (I’ve been to the UK – a miserably cold place in winter) allow them to stay home. But even they are fighting a huge fight over using their own natural gas as we watch the latest north winds sweep their nation(s).
One may have to reconcile that it won’t be ‘the opposition” that carries the day back to sanity but rather the collapse of their schemes. Even then, however, unless the Left is put into the same box as proponents of the superiority of the Aryan Race, it won’t make much difference. You can fight the climate wars and win but they just go on.
Read Horowitz.

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 4:52 am

h.oldeboom says: February 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
In the Netherlands, politicians are the most experienced lyers in the country; how are they in the USA?
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dmacleo says: February 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm
they probably train your guys.
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Nah, The all get trained at the London School of Economics
List is too long to reproduce so go to WIKI
A few notables:
John F Kennedy President USA
Pierre Trudeau, Prime minister Canada
Kim Campbel, Prime minister Canada
Robert Hill, Defence Minister Australia
Christian Porter, Treasurer and Attorney-General of Western Australia
HM Queen Margrethe II, Queen Denmark
Romano Prodi President of the European Commission
Heinrich Brüning Chancellor of Germany (1930-32)
Constantine Simitis Prime minister Greece
George Papandreou Prime minister Greece
Romano Prodi Prime minister Italy
Taro Aso Prime minister Japan
Saif al-Islam Muammar al-Gaddafi, Prime Minister Libya, 2007–2011
Jomo Kenyatta 1st President Kenya
Marek Belka Prime minister Poland
Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai
Alfonso Lopez Pumarejo & Juan Manuel Santos, President Colombia
David Rockefeller, George Soros, Peter Sutherland, BP and Goldman Sachs chairman and a ton of others.
And those who did not go to school there are visiting lecturers such as Bill Clinton, Pascal Lamy (WTO) Tony Blair,
Slip of the tongue betrays true quality of elite: Erik Ringmar defends his comparison of LSE with London Met This is the very telling statement.

…The students come because of the other students, to hook themselves into the network that their university provides.
This is where the LSE really stands out. Its student body makes it vastly different from other universities, not just in the UK but in the world. It has consistently recruited some of the smartest, most interesting, intelligent, rich, successful and all-round attractive people on the planet, the movers and shakers of the future, the cosmocrats.
As an LSE student, you are a part of this extraordinary group. This is the pool from which you draw your friends and lovers…..

Chris Schoneveld
February 10, 2013 5:07 am

Is it politically incorrect to give Obama any credit at WUWT? I suspect that Anthony knew very well from the outset the result of his poll. By giving his mainly Republican readers the option to choose “neither” to the rather vague question “who[m!] do you believe?” he gave them the cop-out answer to say that politicians are not to be believed by definition, hence “neither”. If the question would have been phrased “whose statement was the most believable?” 99% of his readers would have been forced to agree with Obama. Wouldn’t that be hilarious?
ps. I am a global warming sceptic and politically from the right wing which would make me (here in Europe) essentially a Democrate. Only the extreme right is Europe would have any affinity for the Republicans.

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 6:06 am

Chris Schoneveld says:
February 10, 2013 at 5:07 am
Is it politically incorrect to give Obama any credit at WUWT? I suspect that Anthony knew very well from the outset the result of his poll…..
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Many of us knew what the rest of the paragraph was that Obama’s quote came from.
“The politician is a type of creature known for its propensity to lie, exaggerate, embellish, and use all kinds of hysterical or bombastic attention-getting.” ~ Rick Gaber
Don’t tell me you actually believe politicians, I certainly don’t.

AJ
February 10, 2013 6:08 am

it has not occurred to anyone here the folly of those playing with ha(a)rps? in that case both assertions would be correct. yes?

Dave
February 10, 2013 6:12 am

If Gore finds out about this poll, he’ll probably unleash one of his Gorebot minions to write a script to automatically vote for the Gore quote. His minions haven’t had much to do since the 24 hour Gorethon concluded.

martin
February 10, 2013 6:19 am

it was no bogus to be compared with some massmurderer on the billboard owned bij the Heartland Institute;

martin
February 10, 2013 6:21 am

h.Oldenboom
yes you are right, we have a lot of VVD en PVV environmental-idiots

martin
February 10, 2013 6:25 am

we cannot vote that both (Gore and Obama) are right,
cfact, if you make that choicepossible, I will vote

DirkH
February 10, 2013 6:41 am

Chris Schoneveld says:
February 10, 2013 at 5:07 am
“ps. I am a global warming sceptic and politically from the right wing which would make me (here in Europe) essentially a Democrate.”
I’m German. Chris is right. There are no conservatives in Europe.

beng
February 10, 2013 6:46 am

President Zero’s actions speak far louder than any brief truism. Deception/diversion as usual.

February 10, 2013 7:01 am

Why can’t we vote for both of them? They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they’re both spot on true.
Just like the Q “Do you still beat your wife?” has no good answer, choosing either of these options suggests the other statement is wrong. It’s a false choice.

February 10, 2013 7:05 am

The people who post here are the greatest !
When I first looked at this I said it is a trick like
“have you stopped beating you wife”.
The posts here should be required reading before voting.
Thank you Anthony !
Alfred

February 10, 2013 7:24 am

Chris Schoneveld on February 10, 2013 at 5:07 am
[ . . . ] By giving his mainly Republican readers [ . . . ]

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Chris Schoneveld,
Although I am a USA citizen from birth, I have never been a USA Republican Party supporter and I am a long time denizen of WUWT.
I might point out that I doubt that any of the large contingent of international WUWT folks are of the USA Republican Party.
As to your argument about politics in Europe that imply less craziness than in the USA, well it does seen that since early in the 20th century till present it was European politics which had the effect of causing several worldwide scoped military type devastations . . . n’est ce pas?
John

February 10, 2013 7:33 am

Gail Combs says February 10, 2013 at 2:59 am

You cite some really, really credible sources there ma’am; how many of them would you reckon would stand up against a strong and complete ‘cross’ examination in light of actual facts?
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Miles Jory
February 10, 2013 7:33 am

I’d answer both. Hurricanes events will continue regardless of agw and are historically common events so a sign of things to come? Of course. BHO’s comment of course

February 10, 2013 7:41 am

Mike says February 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Why did Al Gore sell his failed TV station …

Station? STATION?
Out of curiosity, what were the FCC assigned CALL LETTERS of said station? Where was it located?
(PS and on the QT to all others reading: Algore sold (ostensibly) a content-generating network, not a ‘station’ … Mike may just not have grasped that at the time and therefore seems to be propagating this error forward …),
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