Nigel Lawson Wins Climate Policy Bet

From the GWPF

Oliver Letwin, David Cameron’s chief policy adviser, has conceded defeat in a £100 climate policy bet with Nigel Lawson which they had agreed four and a half years ago.

Towards the end of a climate debate between the two Conservative heavy-weights in the July 2008 issue of Standpoint, the following exchange took place:

Oliver Letwin: Nigel can’t know whether there is going to be a successor to Kyoto.
Nigel Lawson: Well, look, there’ll be an international agreement in the sense that there will be platitudes. The acid test is: will there be an agreement to have binding cutbacks for all participants on their carbon emissions? Instead of arguing about it, we could have a wager on it.
Oliver Lewtin: I’d be very happy to have a wager, and I offer you a £100 bet that before either of us is dead, whichever is the first — our estates can pay — we will see a very substantial agreement on carbon reduction.

 

Nigel Lawson: But I don’t think I want the bet to be “in my lifetime” because I’d like to get the £100. I’m sorry it’s such a modest amount you’re prepared to wager — it shows how unconfident you are — but I would like to be able to collect before I die. So I think we should say “by the time Kyoto runs out”, because there is meant to be no hiatus; there is meant to be a successor to Kyoto. So “by 2012 we will have the agreement” — maybe I’ll die before then, of course —but 2012 is the acid test.
Oliver Letwin: On the same basis, Nigel, I’m perfectly willing to take that bet too. The reason I’m willing to take the bet is that I know that the only way it can be made to happen is if we try to make it happen and if we build up the moral authority to make it happen by taking the steps ourselves.

The original Kyoto agreement which set binding CO2 emissions targets for 37 developed nations only ran out on the 31st of December 2012. There has been no new international agreement on CO2 emissions reduction, let alone a ‘substantial’ one. In the meantime, Canada, Russia and New Zealand have officially abandoned the Kyoto Protocol while Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan have threatened to abandon it as well.
Oliver Letwin has now conceded that Lawson has won the bet.

Lord Lawson comments:
“I made the bet because I knew I would win. It has always been blindingly obvious that the positions of Europe, the United States and China were much too far apart for a truly global successor to Kyoto to be negotiable.”

“Oliver Letwin is one of the nicest people in politics, and one of the cleverest. It is, however, disconcerting that UK climate change policy – which makes no conceivable sense in the absence of a binding global agreement – has been based on the advice of someone so totally divorced from any understanding of practical realities.”

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Climate Dissident
January 4, 2013 2:32 am

While I’d like the Don Quichot Award for the most hilarious plan to combat climate change (with extra points for those plans which harm the environment or make living conditions in the third world worse), we should not forget that we have a good reason to fight against windmills.

January 4, 2013 2:39 am

Since both Letwin and Lawson are still alive as I write, I don’t see how Letwin can have lost the bet as framed yet.

The Black Adder
January 4, 2013 2:46 am

Well said Scarface!
My thoughts exactly.
As to the Mighty Lord!!
I trust the 100 pounds will be spent down at the local pub with Lord Monckton and others enjoying the fruits of your labours…
From a colonial offspring from distant Oz. to my forebears in the Old Dart….
I say, Thankyou very Much!
PS. If only my PM could understand this!!

George Lawso9n
January 4, 2013 4:28 am

Scarface says
“Actually, we could use a ‘Don Quichot Award’ for the most hilarious plan or solution they come up with.”
Shouldn’t it be the Don Kyoto award?

January 4, 2013 4:54 am

oldspanky:
It is extremely annoying when WUWT threads are interrupted by trolls who ‘copy and paste’ falsehoods from warmunist web sites without bothering to read the subject of the thread. Your post at January 4, 2013 at 2:39 am is an example of such an annoying interruption, and it says in total

Since both Letwin and Lawson are still alive as I write, I don’t see how Letwin can have lost the bet as framed yet.

You would “see” if you were to read the above article which states the bet was

Nigel Lawson: But I don’t think I want the bet to be “in my lifetime” because I’d like to get the £100. I’m sorry it’s such a modest amount you’re prepared to wager — it shows how unconfident you are — but I would like to be able to collect before I die. So I think we should say “by the time Kyoto runs out”, because there is meant to be no hiatus; there is meant to be a successor to Kyoto. So “by 2012 we will have the agreement” — maybe I’ll die before then, of course —but 2012 is the acid test.
Oliver Letwin: On the same basis, Nigel, I’m perfectly willing to take that bet too. The reason I’m willing to take the bet is that I know that the only way it can be made to happen is if we try to make it happen and if we build up the moral authority to make it happen by taking the steps ourselves.

Please read articles before trying to disrupt discussion of them.
Richard

Rhys Jaggar
January 4, 2013 5:26 am

I do hope that if the next 18 years prove to be significantly cooler, then all the AGW troughers will agree to forego their pensions and their tenures as a minor repayment for the billions of pounds that would have been wasted on hot air, unscientific posturing and organised scaremongering for the purpose of grant awards.

January 4, 2013 9:07 am

…two Conservative heavy weights…”
I think relatively is at work here. UK conservatives have pretty much shifted across centre into leftist traditional terrritory. The leftists have shifted into something really scary!