Doha post mortem – some green activists 'close to despair'

Newsbytes from Dr. Benny Peiser of The GWPF

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A couple of weeks ago the great global warming bandwagon coughed and spluttered to a halt in Doha, the latest stop on its never-ending world tour. The annual UN climate conference COP18 is no small affair. This is a bandwagon whose riders number in the thousands: motorcades of politicians, buses full of technocrats and policy wonks and jumbo-jets full of hippies travelling half way round the world, (ostensibly) to save the planet from the (allegedly) pressing problem of climate change  — Andrew Montford, The Spectator 9 December 2012

At the end of another lavishly-funded U.N. conference that yielded no progress on curbing greenhouse emissions, many of those most concerned about climate change are close to despair. –Barbara Lewis and Alister Doyle, Reuters, 9 December 2012

The United Nations climate talks in Doha went a full extra 24 hours and ended without increased cuts in fossil fuel emissions and without financial commitments between 2013 and 2015. However, this is a “historic” agreement, insisted Qatar’s Abdullah bin Hamad Al-Attiyah, the COP18 president. —Inter Press Service, 10 December 2012

The conference held in Qatar agreed to extend the emissions-limiting Kyoto Protocol, which would have run out within weeks. But Canada, Russia and Japan – where the protocol was signed 15 years ago – all abandoned the agreement. The United States never ratified it in the first place, and it excludes developing countries where emissions are growing most quickly. Delegates flew home from Doha without securing a single new pledge to cut pollution from a major emitter. –Barbara Lewis and Alister Doyle, Reuters, 9 December 2012

Santa Claus and Kyoto protocol

Climate negotiators at the most recent conference on global warming were unable to reduce expectations fast enough to match the collapse of their agenda. The only real winners here were the bureaucrats in the diplomacy industry for whom endless rounds of carbon spewing conferences with no agreement year after year mean jobs, jobs, jobs. The inexorable decline of the climate movement from its Pickett’s Charge at the Copenhagen summit continues. The global green lobby is more flummoxed than ever. These people and these methods couldn’t make a ham sandwich, much less save Planet Earth. –Walter Russell Mead, The American Interest, 9 December 2012

Britain faces even tougher green taxes if a climate change deal is signed in Doha that could force it to reduce emissions by another third. The country is signed up to a target to cut carbon emissions by 34 per cent by 2020, but this could go up to 42 per cent under a new United Nations deal. Experts last night warned that the new target could add hundreds of pounds to energy bills every year, and industry leaders said new carbon taxes would make British businesses less competitive. Benny Peiser, of Lord Lawson’s think tank the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the cost to industry would be passed on to consumers. “The more renewables you build, like wind, the more you need subsidies so it pushes energy bills up. If business has to pay higher bills the costs of products goes up.” –Louise Gray and Rowena Mason, The Daily Telegraph, 8 December 2012

The UN climate conferences have descended into ritual farce, as naked money-grabbing on behalf of poor countries contrasts with finagling impossible solutions to what is likely a much-exaggerated problem. One leading question is how dubious science, shoddy economics and tried-and-failed socialist policies have come to dominate the democratic process in so many countries for so long. The answer appears to be the skill with which a radical minority — centred in and promoted by the UN, and funded by national governments and, even more bizarrely, corporations — has skilfully manipulated the political process at every level. –Peter Foster, Financial Post, 7 December 2012

It’s green, it’s cheap and it’s plentiful! So why are opponents of shale gas making such a fuss? If it were not so serious there would be something ludicrous about the reaction of the green lobby to the discovery of big shale gas reserves in this country. Here we are in the fifth year of a downturn. We have pensioners battling fuel poverty. We have energy firms jacking up their prices. We have real worries about security of energy supply – a new building like the Shard needs four times as much juice as the entire town of Colchester. In their mad denunciations of fracking, the Greens and the eco-warriors betray the mindset of people who cannot bear a piece of unadulterated good news. –Boris Johnson, The Daily Telegraph, 10 December 2012

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E.M.Smith
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December 10, 2012 9:45 pm

Only “close” to despair, eh? OK, a bit more work to to… 😉

The United Nations climate talks in Doha went a full extra 24 hours and ended without increased cuts in fossil fuel emissions and without financial commitments between 2013 and 2015.

Best news I’ve had in months…. Given the Fiscal Cliff vs Obama-Tax-To-Death-Recession, by the time 2014 gets here there will not be any chance in He….ck that the USA can cough up even one red cent. (As the penny, now made of cheap zinc, is over 3 Cents each to make, the penny is unlikely to survive that long in any form…) The EU, headed for a collapse / break-up and/or having Greece, et. al. sucking every spare Euro out of the northern countries that have some; will also be unable to pony up any dough. Russia has bailed along with Japan and Canada, so no joy on the Rubles and Yen. China? Don’t make me laugh. Just spent some $Billions to buy a LARGE chunk of Canadian Tar Sands. You don’t spend big $Billions to buy oil for the next decades for the purpose of not using it.
Nope. Once the parasites realized the hosts were bleed dry already, it was clear the party was drawing to an end. Now comes the “sucking out the last drops” while looking for a warmer host…

Britain faces even tougher green taxes if a climate change deal is signed in Doha that could force it to reduce emissions by another third. The country is signed up to a target to cut carbon emissions by 34 per cent by 2020, but this could go up to 42 per cent

Sorry to read that… I have relatives there. Still, when the heavy snows of this winter fall, perhaps folks will realize that it’s better to be warm and repudiate the “treaty” than frozen and PC.
Knights:
Real world operations data has had time to be booked. Engineering Reality.
Hard to ignore once on the books…

Patrick
December 10, 2012 10:49 pm

“E.M.Smith says:
December 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm”
The Chinese are also buying up large tracts of land in Australia for actually growing food for export to China.

RossP
December 10, 2012 11:19 pm

Kramer 11.49
I tend to agree with you. I think that the messages of despair after these talkfests contain quite alot of BS designed to avoid people digging into what actually happened. After Cancun Monckton made a similar observation saying while it looked like nothing happened , in fact many new organisations / committees were set up to progress the “agenda”

Skunkpew
December 11, 2012 1:56 am

Guest says:
December 10, 2012 at 9:44 am
Seemingly not easily found by googling: List of the 194 countries attending and a list of the subset of 37 countries who signed on to the Kyoto extension… ??
This is guess work on my part, but there are 42 Annex 1 ‘developed’ countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol.
If you take out Canada, USA, Japan, Russia and New Zealand, (which are named in various reports to have not agreed to the Doha extension) that would leave 37.
After the 27 EU countries, the missing 10 countries in this case would be Australia, Belarus, Croatia, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine

Skunkpew
December 11, 2012 2:12 am

Don’t mean to post twice, but for those countries looking to join the EU, they have to agree to abide by the rules of the Kyoto Protocol. So this would imply countries like Iceland, Croatia and Turkey did sign, because they must if they seek to join the EU in the near future.

Vince Causey
December 11, 2012 7:01 am

Now comes the “sucking out the last drops” while looking for a warmer host…
Britain faces even tougher green taxes if a climate change deal is signed in Doha that could force it to reduce emissions by another third. The country is signed up to a target to cut carbon emissions by 34 per cent by 2020, but this could go up to 42 per cent
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Yep, in the UK we have our own “Al Gore”. He is called Ed Davey and happens to be the Secretary of state for energy (and climate change), and that is what he came back with. He is the sort of guy that would walk out of a car showroom having just negotiated a purchase price higher than the original sticker. But then, intelligence is not a prerequisite to power. Still, he has to get his wizard plan past Ebeneezer Osborne first.

outtheback
December 11, 2012 9:03 am

John Whitman says:
December 10, 2012 at 11:16 am
“This is not a war in any sense”
War = disagreement.
With words, with weapons, with tax money and bogus science.
With bogus science you justify the tax money to buy the weapons and you start the disagreement with words.
At least one country’s intelligence service predicted resource wars because of climate change.
This is how you start it.
The name of the religion has changed but that is about all after 2000 years of “civilization”.
All this is the cost of living in a democratic society, lighten up.
We will survive no matter what happens.

Johna Till Johnson
December 11, 2012 2:19 pm

Gentlefolk: Any data backing up Johnson’s contention here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9733518/Ignore-the-doom-merchants-Britain-should-get-fracking.html) that the US has in fact MET what would have been its obligations under the Kyoto protocol (had the US ratified it)?
If true, that should be front-page news–but I can’t find any sources other than Johnson’s unverified contention in the op-ed….. any help appreciated.

December 11, 2012 2:34 pm

outtheback said December 11, 2012 at 9:03 am (In response to John Whitman December 10, 2012 at 11:16 am):
All this is the cost of living in a democratic society, lighten up.
We will survive no matter what happens.

outtheback,
Hey, I am pretty optimistic about mankind’s past, present and future. I am fairly resistant to intellectual cynicism as well. But one still must be very vigilant, even in the warm glow of optimism. : )
John

David
December 12, 2012 5:35 am

Off-topic but relevant: Peugeot are apparently selling their electric cars at HALF PRICE in the UK untill the end of the year…
Define: ‘desperate’…

Resourceguy
December 12, 2012 10:11 am

Failed lottery tickets can be a real downer.

S Rubicon
December 19, 2012 1:32 pm

According to info I came across, in America, it would take One BILLION, Five Hundred Thousand wind turbines to replace the amount to energy currently generated by coal. I shutter to imagine the American southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada & who knows how many more states?), covered with solar panel plantations, meant to provide green energy. But then again, just like wind, their efficiency alone (or is it lack thereof?), would call for 40% more of whatever systems they propose, plus, that still does not solve the very real problem issue that these technologies are intermittent! Exactly what does one do when the wind does not blow or the sun is not shinning? Oops!!! Imagine America with 1.5 Billion turbines dotting the landscape, only where wind generation is functionally practical? Lady Bird Johnson was upset with all the billboards dotting the landscape along our highways & byways. She would become apoplectic if she saw all those turbines!! The “real” problem for the green movement is, their catastrophe scenario’s are not materializing. Atmospheric CO2 levels have either stabilized or in fact, gone down. Many disingenuous will openly deny this reality, especially on TV where numerous cause complicit media types will back up any lie or distortion from reality the greenies spew. The natural gas discoveries in America through fracking, has shut down their babble & shown them to be the hypocrites many already knew they were. Prior to those gas discoveries, natural gas was at least OK. Once we found out our supplies could sustain us & free us from foreign oil dependency, then the greenies attacked natural gas with a vengeance. What hypocrisy! The green movement is NOT about saving the environment. Its about political control & wealth accumulation by zealots & those who have been financially sponsoring them. It global control through socialism. Power!!!!!!
(Imagine nations giving over governance to the United Nations?! Now THAT would represent real insanity!!)

Brian H
December 20, 2012 9:02 pm

“Close”? Let’s push them the rest of the way.

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