Some numbers that you may find interesting, graphed by Ed Hoskins from France.
Here’s more:
Another way of looking at the same data:
Comparison 1
Comparison 2
Growth of CO2 emissions
China is the biggest emitter now.
The data supporting this was all published by BP up from 1965 till 2011:
http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle800.do?categoryId=9037130&contentId=7068669
Maybe I missed something, wouldn’t be the first time; are the countries with rising CO2 also the ones with a rising GDP? Weren’t they in, for the most part, in trouble before CAGW began to influence policy? When I say “trouble”, I mean their citizens being taken care of. How are the citizens of the countries with a dropping CO2 doing?
FergalR says:
November 23, 2012 at 3:31 pm
“for the last few years and planned several years in the future China’s building the equivalent of the entire UK’s generating capacity in coal-fired plant – every year. 1.25GW a weeK”
China built 30 GW of coal fired plant in the first 10 months of 2012. 30/42 = A rate of about .71 GW/week. They have announced 28 GW more nuclear, 80 GW more hydro, 43 GW more wind and 19 GW more solar in the next 3 years. They have not announced how much coal fired power plant they will build. Any report that says otherwise is speculation.The Chinese 2015 Energy Plan was last updated in October 2012. There was no quantification about how much more coal fired capacity was expected. The build rate is slowing as well as the utilization rate of existing capacity. You be sure they won’t sacrifice economic growth…but they don’t know what economic growth will be over the 3 years.
jmrsudbury says:
November 24, 2012 at 3:29 am
“The diagram is from a March 2008 DOE report, but I don’t know what year the numbers represent: It has human emissions at 9 gigatons per year. Are the graphs in this post supposed to be metric gigatonnes?”
CO2 emissions are 3.67 times Carbon Emissions. (We need to include the weight of the Oxygen in the CO2….getting the 2 confused can create quite alarming results)
These numbers are not the product of direct measurement but are calculated from a model based on assumed energy consumption.
@MDH
>…I have only ever seen these meters indicate Oxygen at between 19% AND 21% and CO2 at 0ppm unless breathed on with cupped hands.Any explanation?
The personal exposure meter (PEM) is calibrated to show 0 ppm with a background of 392. It is easy. They feed in ordinary air and tell the machine that is a zero ppm level. It is quite common to calibrate in this manner because it automatically subtracts the background level. Then the ambient air to which the wearer is exposed shows as a deviation from the background.
Thank you DesertYote. The models are worth a discussion. Well worth a discussion.
I see it all, CO2 emissions from China cause cooling, using the same logic as team global warming. There is correlation here, global temps slow and then fall as the cooling CO2 from China equals and then overpowers the warming CO2 from the dreaded round eyes.
So ,again IPCC/UN logic, we in the West must burn every heavy CO2 producing fuel we can find or the Chinese CO2 will plunge us into an ice age.
This is impeccable alarmist logic, I expect all enviro-( self-snip) to rush out and buy the biggest SUV you can afford.Burn everything you can, the planet must be saved.
I think there should be a chart showing that CO2 levels were higher in the past few thousand years according to leaf stomata data. This would help counter the claim that CO2 levels haven’t been this high in hundreds of thousands or millions of years, which is based on ice core data that might have missed such spikes.
We can be glad the IPCC is wrong. Carbon taxes, carbon caps, carbon credits, and any other crazy carbon schemes wouldn’t make a difference big enough to satisfy their models. The entire world economy would have to be practically shut down. If Obama is serious about reducing carbon emissions he should ask the Fed to raise interest rates. The Fed could put the brakes on the economy with out passing any new laws. Can China keep finding enough carbon to burn even more?
Thanks harrywr2, but the two sets of numbers I found differ by a factor of about 2 not the 3.67 you suggest. There must be some other explanation.
John M Reynolds
“—— indeed human emissions of CO2 are some 3% of the natural emissions (97%) per year, but you forget the other side of the equation: natural sinks are 98.5% of the combined emissions, while human sinks are near unexistent. As a result, there is some 1.5% of increase in the atmosphere.”
Don’t agree with this entirely as human sinks are nearly as large as the natural type. (human sink out of human emission % v natural sink out of natural emission %) These are taken up via plants immediately around the surface and In this case they have almost a zero life in the atmosphere and are recycled from the sinks back to the atmosphere again regularly. This has been at least part responsible for the planet greening via satellite images. Releases of human CO2 well above the sinks especially via planes are so high up they can’t become part of sinks immediately. These are the human CO2 emissions that particularity stay in the atmosphere the longest and part of the 1.5% increase.
richardscourtney says:
November 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Indeed, we have discussed that many times… But as you know, I am convinced that the human contribution is the main (over 95%) cause of the increase, because that fits all known observations.
There are a lot of possible theoretical alternatives, but all of them fail one or more observations…
Regards,
Ferdinand
J. Philip Peterson,
I take much “IPCC” carbon-cycle data with an oceanic-sized pinch of salt. Appreciation of the huge variations in photosynthetic biochemistries has not yet dawned on many people.
If you’re interested, there are many avenues to explore.
E.g. http://oceandatacenter.ucsc.edu/home/Publications/Zehr%20and%20Kudela%202009.pdf
Personally, I am still hoping to see where the role of carbonic anhydrase is properly addressed by carbon-cycle models, especially wrt the effect on carbon-isotope ratios. The normal, uncatalyzed, exchange reaction of CO2 +H2O=H2CO3 is approximately 7 (seven!) orders of magnitude slower than when catalyzed by this biological catalyst which is expressed in significant amounts by essentially 100% of living organisms. It is active night and day, 24/7/365, come rain or shine, hell or high water wherever there is life, photosynthetic or otherwise.
Bob W in NC says:
November 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Thus, 98.5% of the 97% from natural sources = 1.455% remaining from natural sources and 0.045% remaining from human sources, total = 1.5%. Consequently, humans would not be responsible for more than a trace percent of the increase in CO2 each year.
Indeed the sinks don’t make a distinction between human and natural CO2 (except for the 13C/12C ratio, but that is of a different interest). Thus any addition of human CO2 (currently about 8 GtC/year) simply goes in the total amount of CO2 in thet atmosphere, together with the natural addition (90 GtC from the oceans and countercurrent 60 GtC from vegetation) and what already resides in the atmosphere (currently about 800 GtC). From that mixture, a quantity somewhat inbetween the natural emissions and the natural emissions + the human emissions is removed into natural sinks (currently about 92.5 GtC into the oceans and 61.5 GtC in vegetation). So far so good.
Thus the oceans are a net sink for CO2 (measured and calculated) and vegetation is a net sink for CO2 (calculated from the oxygen and 13C/12C balances, see:
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~mbattle/papers_posters_and_talks/BenderGBC2005.pdf )
Now what is responsible for the increase in total amount of the atmosphere? The human emissions: the amount added by humans is 8 GtC/year. The amount added by nature is ~150 GtC/year, but the amount removed by nature is ~154 GtC/year. Thus nature is a net sink for CO2, not a source. Even if the human contribution to the total mass in the atmosphere is only a few % of the natural contribution, and the total amount of original human CO2 molecules only reaches a few % in the total of the atmosphere over time, it is the only cause of the increase in total CO2 mass.
Let us compare it to a fountain with a nice, clear water bassin at ground level:
Some pump drives a huge flow over the fountain, which drips back into the bassin. Let’s say 200 liter per minute. Now the maintenance man opens a small supply valve into the discharge of the pump, delivering an additional 1 liter per minute of green coloured water (it is Saint Patricks day in Chicago…). That is only 0.5% of the main supply to the fountain. What will occur to the level in the bassin (not taking into account any spills or evaporation) and to its colour?
The added colour will be diluted by the total mass of water in the reservoir and in the circuit of the fountain, up to a few % at closing time of the small supply, but the increase in level of the bassin is 100% caused by the small supply…
From the policy makers point of view the clear message of this piece is;
As it is blindingly obvious that emissions flat line once a certain level of development is reached then, if CO2 must be controlled at all, our efforts should be on encouraging “developing” peoples to reach this level as soon as possible and not on reducing our own standards.
Off Topic PS: I was delighted this week to have witnessed the dropping of CO2 targets for the UK energy sector. Much still to be done…
Crispin in Waterloo says:
November 24, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The personal exposure meter (PEM) is calibrated to show 0 ppm with a background of 392. It is easy. They feed in ordinary air and tell the machine that is a zero ppm level.
Thanks, didn’t know that, but indeed that is logical for a PEM. Something new learned today…
Ferdinand Engelbeen says: @ur momisugly November 24, 2012 at 11:32 am
…Bob (and others…), your math is right and wrong: indeed human emissions of CO2 are some 3% of the natural emissions (97%) per year, but you forget the other side of the equation: natural sinks are 98.5% of the combined emissions, while human sinks are near unexistent. As a result, there is some 1.5% of increase in the atmosphere.
Natural emissions and sinks are simply a cycle: partly continuous between equator and poles and partly seasonal over summer and winter. At the end of the year, the net result is a net sink of CO2, in quantity about halve of the current human emissions… Thus humans are fully responsible for the increase (with a minor part from warmer sea surface temperatures since the LIA)…..
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while human sinks are near unexistent….
Let’s see if we can refute that.
#1) Lumbering.
Trees are cut down and made into furniture, structures, books and newspapers. Jim Hudson who calls himself a Garbologist gave a talk at one of the BostCon. He studies landfills. He uses old newspapers to date his excavations. In otherwords THEY DO NOT DECAY.
I am not going to bother looking it up but studies show new growth forests sequester much more CO2 than old growth CO2.
#2) Agriculture
Irrigation alone has increased the biomass in marginal areas. Liberation of CO2 has also caused an increase in plant growth world wide and C3 plants have become much more drought hardy due to the increase in CO2.
Perhaps the most critical point is brought out in this paper (Trees and most food plants are C3 not C4 so this speaks directly to food sources for humans and many other species)
Humans are returning much needed CO2 to the carbon cycle and therefore saving many species from extinction in the next glaciation. Remember plants are not dealing with just the % CO2 in the air but with the partial pressure of CO2 that decreases with elevation.
From the same study (PDF of full paper)
And another paper:
Matt G says:
November 25, 2012 at 6:31 am
Don’t agree with this entirely as human sinks are nearly as large as the natural type. (human sink out of human emission % v natural sink out of natural emission %) These are taken up via plants immediately around the surface and In this case they have almost a zero life in the atmosphere and are recycled from the sinks back to the atmosphere again regularly. This has been at least part responsible for the planet greening via satellite images.
There are hardly any human caused sinks: some additional forest plantations, largely overwhelmed by forest destruction on other places. All the other sinks in oceans and vegetation are natural sinks. It doesn’t matter if a human emitted CO2 molecule is absorbed within a minute by the next nearby tree (instead of a natural CO2, which then resides longer in the atmosphere, the net result is the same increase of CO2 in the atmosphere) or resides for 10 years before being absorbed by the oceans. What counts is the total amount absorbed. That doesn’t change because of the origin of the CO2 (except for isotopic differences), but it does change with the total CO2 pressure (= quantity) in the atmosphere: as well for the oceans, where an increased pressure difference for the same water temperature (= the same CO2 pressure in the water surface) at the sink places increases the uptake, as for plant alveoles, where a similar mechanism is at work.
The quantities absorbed by vegetation can be calculated from the oxygen use: plants produce oxygen when taking up CO2 and use oxygen when breaking down. The oxygen use by different fuels is more or less known (with some margins of error). That gives how much CO2 is absorbed or released by the entire biosphere over time, the rest is absorbed by the oceans. The main problem: the accuracy needed for the oxygen measurements: a fraction of a ppmv on 200,000 ppmv… See:
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~mbattle/papers_posters_and_talks/BenderGBC2005.pdf
Gunga Din says:
November 24, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Maybe I missed something, wouldn’t be the first time; are the countries with rising CO2 also the ones with a rising GDP? Weren’t they in, for the most part, in trouble before CAGW began to influence policy? When I say “trouble”, I mean their citizens being taken care of. How are the citizens of the countries with a dropping CO2 doing?
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In the UK:
the Office of National Statistics confirmed that there were 25,700 more deaths in the winter of 2005/06 than in other parts of the year.
Officialdom blames the death on the flu:
The take home from this is COLD KILLS and high fuel cost helps cold kill the elderly and poverty stricken. Even the European Commission acknowledges this.
It is about time Officaldom started to notice their people are freezing to death.
Roger Knights says:
November 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I think there should be a chart showing that CO2 levels were higher in the past few thousand years according to leaf stomata data. This would help counter the claim that CO2 levels haven’t been this high in hundreds of thousands or millions of years, which is based on ice core data that might have missed such spikes.
While stomata index data have a better resolution than ice cores, they are a proxy with its specific problems which may question their validity for historical CO2 levels. Stomata index data are measured on leaves from land plants, which by definition live on land, where increased CO2 levels, are measured compared to background CO2 levels. These local/regional CO2 levels over a growing season are influencing the stomata density for the leaves over the next growing season.
The stomata index data are calibrated over the past century against direct measurements (1960-2000) and ice cores (1900-1960). The main problem is that there is no knowledge if the historical CO2 levels at the same place weren’t influenced by changes in the main wind direction over time: changes in sea/land area and land use: from water and marshes to land and agriculture, forests and factories… As is certainly the case in The Netherlands, one of the main historical sites used for stomata data. Even the main wind direction (and thus local CO2 levels) may have changed between the MWP and LIA…
Moreover, any spike in CO2 as seen in the stomata data must be followed by a similar downspike, as ice cores do smooth the spikes, but don’t change the average over the time frame of the resolution. As stomata data sometimes show too high average CO2 levels, these spikes are questionable.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 25, 2012 at 8:00 am
richardscourtney says:
November 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Indeed, we have discussed that many times… But as you know, I am convinced that the human contribution is the main (over 95%) cause of the increase, because that fits all known observations.
There are a lot of possible theoretical alternatives, but all of them fail one or more observations
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What about the increase in Sea surface temperature? (Graph of increase straight from the EPA shown here ) Oceans account for 70% of the earth’s surface and a large part of the CO2 cycle. Henry’s law and all that apply.
From 1910 to the present the EPA graph shows an increase in SST of about 1.5F (~0.8C)
The way humans might cause warming is by reduction of vegetative cover including trees. It is well documented e.g. by Beerling and Berner 2005 that the evolution and spread of broad leaved trees drove down global temperatures (and CO2 with them) in the Silurian-Carboniferous. Vegetation and trees cool the planet by holding water on land, maintaining moist soil (weathered silicate) and by transpiration, plus by changing albedo.
CO2 is a huge red herring. In fact CO2 will mitigate warming from loss of vegetative cover by making the remaining plant cover respire and transpire and grow faster and more efficiently. A CO2 increase by itself, in the absence of change to vegetation, will cool the planet. (The radiative balance effect of CO2 is inconclusive in regard to water vapour interaction and feedback and in any case is logarithmic, thus declining in marginal effect and possibly close to saturation.)
Thus overall, CO2 and climate is more about biology than physics.
However if we lived on a lifeless arid planet covered in bare rock with no ocean then the CAGW crowd might have a point. (but hang on – if it was lifeless then.. O never mind…)
Gail Combs says:
November 25, 2012 at 9:12 am
while human sinks are near unexistent….
Let’s see if we can refute that.
Hello Gail,
It is quite simple: humans emit some 8 (or nowadays 9) GtC/yr as CO2. What the biosphere absorbs from that total amount is currently about 1.0 ± 0.6 GtC/yr, based on the oxygen balance. That includes all human use of wood, new plantations, rain forest destruction, all agriculture, all natural extra growth caused by the extra CO2 in the atmosphere and all animal and bacterial life.
Thus the whole biosphere, human and natural together, absorbs a net quantity of CO2 equal to 4.4-20% of the human emissions…
Gail Combs says:
November 25, 2012 at 10:06 am
such that a 1 ̊ increase in sea water temperature leads overall to a 4.23% increase in the equilibrium gas phase partial pressure (pCO2) of a sea water sample [Chipman et al., 1992]
The increase of temperature increases the pCO2 of seawater by about 16 microatm. Thus an increase of ~16 ppmv in the atmosphere is sufficient to restore the previous (dis)equilibrium. But as the biosphere increases its CO2 uptake at higher temperatures, the real near 2-million years change in dynamic equilibrium between temperature and CO2 levels is about 8 ppmv/ ̊C.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 25, 2012 at 9:42 am
“there are hardly any human caused sinks: some additional forest plantations, largely overwhelmed by forest destruction on other places. All the other sinks in oceans and vegetation are natural sinks.”
Regarding sinks it doesn’t matter whether human caused or not. If increasing the CO2 increases the uptake, then that will happen regardless. Existing plants increase their intake of CO2 up to 1500 ppm, we are still well short of this value. Virtually all the vegetation will generally increase their uptake of CO2. (1) Only half of the global human CO2 emissions showing up in yearly increases.
” It doesn’t matter if a human emitted CO2 molecule is absorbed within a minute by the next nearby tree (instead of a natural CO2, which then resides longer in the atmosphere, the net result is the same increase of CO2 in the atmosphere) or resides for 10 years before being absorbed by the oceans”
At trace values it does matter because plants can uptake a lot more CO2 available to them, then they already have. The extra CO2 will still be absorbed from human and natural sources until much higher atmospheric levels. The net result being the same would be the case when vegetation reached the CO2 threshold, but it hasn’t been reached yet. During the fossil record huge plants hundreds of millions of years ago were able to grow thanks to much higher CO2 atmospheric levels.
“The quantities absorbed by vegetation can be calculated from the oxygen use: plants produce oxygen when taking up CO2 and use oxygen when breaking down. The oxygen use by different fuels is more or less known (with some margins of error).”
The margins of error still big enough to have doubt on this and with regarding the human emissions not accounted for (1) there are either larger vegetation or ocean sinks from human emissions than claimed. Neither can be ruled out and we know plants take up the more CO2 the more they are given and these threshold atmospheric values have not been reached yet.