Gosh, a breakout session on hurricane Sandy with Michael Mann, and they label it “breaking news”. From the Geological Society of America website:
BREAKING NEWS: GSA Session to Address Hurricane Sandy
GSA Annual Meeting Technical Sessions: Rapid Sea-Level Rise and Its Impacts: Past, Present, and Future I and II
Boulder, Colorado, USA – In response to the devastation caused last week by Hurricane Sandy, organizers of the Geological Society of America Annual Meeting technical sessions on rapid sea-level rise and its impacts have created a break-out discussion panel consisting of geoscience experts. The idea is to relate early findings and discuss how the changes caused by Hurricane Sandy to the U.S. East Coast tie into the scientific papers already scheduled for presentation.
Session organizers George T. Stone of Milwaukee Area Technical College, Michael E. Mann of The Pennsylvania State University, Stanley R. Riggs of East Carolina University, and Andrew M. Buddington of Spokane Community College recognized early the need to discuss the effects of Hurricane Sandy. The newly revised discussion panel will follow morning talks in room 219AB of the Charlotte Convention Center on Monday, 5 November.
Five GSA Divisions (GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology; Environmental and Engineering Geology; Geology and Society; Hydrogeology; Sedimentary Geology) and GSA’s International Section have teamed up with the Association of Environmental & Engineering Geologists and the National Association of Geoscience Teachers to bring a multidisciplinary perspective to the problem.
Other talks in this two-part session (morning and afternoon) include “Pulses of rapid sea level rise: Their effect on past, present and future coastal environments and sequences”; Anthropogenic sea-level rise: ethical transgressions; and “Sea-level change during the last 2000 years in southern Connecticut.”
Breakout Panel Discussion: Hurricane Sandy and its Impacts
When: Monday, 5 Nov., 11:30 to noon
Where: Charlotte Convention Center, Room 219AB
Session 14: T121. Rapid Sea-Level Rise and Its Impacts: Past, Present, and Future I: https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2012AM/webprogram/Session30943.html
Contacts:
George T. Stone, e-mail: stone@matc.edu
Michael E. Mann, cell: 814-777-3136; e-mail: mann@psu.edu
Maybe they can discuss the recent admission by NASA JPL that the satellite sea level data is missing a good baseline reference and is likely corrupted by spurious noise:
Finally: JPL intends to get a GRASP on accurate sea level and ice measurements
New proposal from NASA JPL admits to “spurious” errors in current satellite based sea level and ice altimetry, calls for new space platform to fix the problem.
Likely though, it will be a doom and gloom breakout session with sea level accelerating and all that.
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The problem is that “sensationalism sells”
LT: you say that non greenhouse gasses are non thermally radiating. Interesting.
So these gasses cannot be warmed? And if warmed, maintain that temperature forever, or until they come into direct contact to allow conduction to remove their heat? And if heated to several million degrees, will not glow at all?
So a planet, composed only of one of these gasses, must be the exact opposite of a black body … never absorbed any radiation, and never emits any, no matter what its temperature.
Personally, I think you may have been just a bit too lazy in your Physics classes.
“Pulses of rapid sea level rise: Their effect on past, present and future coastal environments and sequences”;
There was a “Meltwater Pulse Event” 14,600 years ago, back when we had ice sheets 3km thick. In 500 years oceans rose some 9 meters. We don’t have those today though, fortunately. The remaining ice is fairly stable, unfortunately for the Alarmists.
P. Solar says: “I presume Mann will be wearing his false Nobel Prize medallion around his neck to give himself added authority while speaking.”
It’s a tattoo!
Somewhat related:
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/ObamaJournoGuards.jpg
Christian apologists and climate alarmists: singing from the same hymnsheet.
I would hope geologists would be familiar with the fact that the east coast is subsiding at a rate nearly identical to tide gagues trends. In other words, rather than sea level rising, the continent margin is SINKING.
here is the gps data showing subsiding:
http://www.earth.northwestern.edu/people/seth/Texts/gpsgia.pdf
here is the tide gaugues for NY:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8518750
It amazes me how easily many of these climate claims can be falsified with simple observations with just a minute of detective work.
It’s probably more about funding than science?
John A says:
November 5, 2012 at 8:47 am
Atheists and climate alarmists: the crashing bores of the 21st century
Christian apologists and climate alarmists: singing from the same hymnsheet.
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Post again when you actually know something about what you are trying to condemn. As it is you sound like a brain washed fool. Atheists have been using exactly the same techniques as the AGW team. Distortions, lies and twisted logic.
So… when do we get to see one of these meetings greeted with Law Enforcement as they arrest the organizers for actively running a scam?
This Much Ado About Nothing on sea level increases intrigued me, so I referenced:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/msltrendstable.htm
This NOAA table gives the increase in sea level in mms/year for 130 places around the USA – the average is 1.67mm/year, or around one half of the University of Colorado’s figure of 3.2mm/year.
As might be expected, Alaska’s sea level is falling due to isostatic rebound with the biggest decline being Kodiak Island at -10.42mm/year. The greatest increase in sea level was 9.65mm/year at Eugene Island in Louisiana, presumably a reflection of ground water depletion or the Earth’s crust slowly buckling under the weight of new Mississippi sediments.
The east coast sea level is rising at around twice the rate of the east coast, which probably is a reflection of groundwater depletion.
So a non-scientific average increase in sea level for the USA of 0.167 metres, or 6.6 inches, per century.
Yup, that’s really serious and clearly needs a huge amount of grant funding to research further.
Oops
The east coast is rising at around twice the rate of the west coast.
P. Solar says:
November 5, 2012 at 1:24 am
I presume Mann will be wearing his false Nobel Prize medallion around his neck to give himself added authority while speaking.
Will he look like Mr. T? Should we start calling him Mann-a-T (manatee)? Oh the huge Mann-a-T!
Geologists take note: Michael Mann has posted his C.V. Study it, and prepare for a surprise. It shows that he undertook no coursework in Geology until after he had been awarded a Master’s in physics in 1991 at Stanford. He then received a Master’s degree from Stanford in Geology two years later! And three years after that he defended his PhD dissertation on ….tree rings? Yes, tree rings! He was awarded a PhD in Geology at Stanford for his work on tree rings! And so Michael Mann now comes to the Geological Society of America to repair any deficiencies in your understanding concerning Geology, not tree rings.
How embarrasing for the organization. I hope the real member scientists reject this nonsense and take their organization back. Why is it that left wing nut jobs always seem to worm their way into leadership positions with reputable organizations?
Michael Painter says:
November 5, 2012 at 9:41 am
OMG! A ‘fake’ geologist as well as a fake Nobel Laureate! Gee, I wish was in America and part of your Geol Soc. – I’d like to query his geological credentials/knowledge!
David Spurgeon says: @ur momisugly November 5, 2012 at 6:51 am
…..Did someone mention the dark ages?
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Yes!
Agenda 21 sounds a lot like a return to feudalism where an individual’s ability to travel is removed. (That is why CO2 has been declared “evil”) Once individuals can no longer ‘escape’ they become a captive labor market otherwise known as serfs. ( a person in a condition of servitude, required to render services to a lord, commonly attached to the lord’s land and transferred with it from one owner to another )
The other half of the equation of preventing population movement is the concept of a foodshed. ” In this project, the general definition of a foodshed is a geographic area that supplies a population center with food.” Without cheap fuel you are not going to be importing food so the number of people a foodshed can supply is important to the central planners. Once that number is calculated you can then prevent people from moving into the area or having children without permission “for the common good” of course.
Am I crazy?
Here is what Post Carbon Oregon has to say.
There is then a link to a foodshed gathering on the sidebar.
On the opposite coast in Westchester NY you have
Then there is ” ICLEI Global”, Local governments for Sustainability. (ICLEI stands for the ‘International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives’) Under programs is listed Agenda 21 and other United Nations goals.
(Note: All the above listed global goals and targets have links that I did not bother to add.)
The only difference I see is the replacement of the aristocracy with the mega-corporations.
Did you know human beings cover 1.27*10^-7 of the planet if they are all standing up, or about 250 square miles. So if they all stood together you could wipe them all out with a few H bombs! That will cure all the worlds problems in one go.
“Session organizers George T. Stone of Milwaukee Area Technical College, Michael E. Mann of The Pennsylvania State University, Stanley R. Riggs of East Carolina University, and Andrew M. Buddington of Spokane Community College recognized early the need to discuss the effects of Hurricane Sandy.”
This would appear to dovetail nicely with the Alarmists’ credo: “Never allow a good weather disaster go to waste”.
S Basinger said on November 5, 2012 at 1:27 am:
Heh, they posted Mike Mann’s cell #.
Of course I will not recommend spam calling or texting his cell, and especially not using things like Verizon’s online text message sender to abuse him anonymously, as that’s trying to be hurtful.
Whereas if you sent his number to well-meaning organizations like WWF and Greenpeace indicating Mann is very willing to support efforts to fight climate change, or to companies that want to assist him in combatting global warming by installing solar panels on his house at attractive low finance rates, that would be trying to be helpful.
eco-geek – Your argument (Global Warming Disproof) is surely the wrong way round when you say outgoing radiation “must increase to compensate for the removal of the GHGs”. GHGs reduce the rate of outgoing radiation, so the effect of removing the GHGs is to increase outgoing radiation. It doesn’t have to happen ‘in order to compensate’, it happens ‘as a result of’.
So, when GHGs are removed, outgoing radiation increases thus temperature reduces until balance is reached.
The issue is not whether GHGs warm the planet, it is whether they warm by as much as is claimed. Given that nearly 2/3 of the claimed warming comes from “positive feedbacks” for which there is no evidence and, in the case of clouds at least, no known mechanism, it is clear that the GH effect has been severely exaggerated.
I guess that they did not mention the 2 million people who die of malaria each year. Apparently, a species of bird is more important that those people whose lives could have been saved if DDT usage wasn´t banned by the greenies.
TBEAR said “Atheists and climate alarmists: the crashing bores of the 21st century.”
As an ‘atheist’ (one who has no belief IN the existence of a god) and one who has no belief in any philosophy of atheism, I do not like being lumped in with ‘climate alarmists’ nor with ‘bores’. If you have a problem with some individual, say so, but none of that bigotry about atheists.
Michael Painter says:
November 5, 2012 at 9:41 am
Does Mann’s CV mention degrees from Stanford because Mann got his degrees from Yale.
Indeed, his CV says Yale but I had Stanford on the brain for some reason. Thanks for the correction. I beg your pardon, Stanford.