Louis Hooffstetter says:
August 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“Smokey
Take good care of yourself. You make our day on a regular basis.”
Seconded!
Anthony Scalzi
August 7, 2012 5:20 pm
Re click 24,
it looks like someone finally invented a safer alternative to DHMO.
tom s
August 7, 2012 5:39 pm
In Mn where I live we had a big rain and flash flood in northern MN, namely the Duluth area in June of this year you may have heard. Of course the headlines or at least some news stories tried to play the Global Warming card. For the record I’ve been in the meteorology field for 25yrs now.
Well one of the stories had the headline;
Duluth eyes rebuilding for a wetter climate
• Article by: BILL McAULIFFE , Star Tribune
• Updated: June 25, 2012 – 5:59 AM
City may be one of the first to design for big downpours.
This caught my attention of course as the ol’ global warming/climate change ruse was being thrust upon us one more time. There was a quote in the story from Mark Seeley, State Climatologist for MN. His quote was as follows;
“”There is very little dispute among climate scientists that we’re seeing a higher frequency of these extreme rainfall events, but not necessarily in the same parts of the state,” said climatologist Mark Seeley, a professor at the University of Minnesota. “They move around.”
Oh yes, his quote contained the ever so popular “very little dispute among climate scientists that”…yadda yadda clause so common in smug climatolgist circles. And his quote of describing how extreme’s ‘move around’. Well duh?!
So in any event I wanted answers about extreme rainfall events in MN so I went to Seeley’s own page (a wealth of local MN data) and directly to a section pertaining to extreme rain/flash flood events in MN and found a 41yr history on ‘flash flood/heavy rain events’ in MN since 1970. I added up each one of these events per year and produced a plot the ran a trend to see if these types of events were ‘increasing’. The trendline was absolutely flat. No trend in 40yrs of data. I then plotted Duluth’s monthly precip trends since the 1950s…4 months trended positive, 4 months negative and 2 months flat. The magnitude of the pos and neg trends about cancelled eachother out resulting in virtually no trend in DLH for nearly 60yrs. And the months that were trending negatively were the spring/summer which is where you’d most likely find the flash-flood events.
So not only has there been no trend in flash-flood events in MN these past 41yrs there has been no trend locally in Duluth’s monthly/annual precip, right there on Marky Seeleys own webpage (a good one at that!) The data is in direct conflict with Mark Seeley’s statement he made to the press. I have written to his Climate Office email twice now for a clarification; there has been no response. I will try a third time. I have emailed him before and he’s responded about neutral things in the past but is afraid to talk to me now it appears . I also know the assistant State Climatologist personally and will likely follow up with him if Seeley doesn’t respond.
There is no room for dishonest Alarmism and this is a classic case. And Seeley is showing his true colors by not responding to me. I was not confrontational in my email and simply layed out my concern and asked for a clarification….(chirp chirp chirp chirp)…
tom s
August 7, 2012 5:45 pm
Dang it….it was 5mo pos 5mo neg and 2mo flat in the Duluth rainfall data…so sorry.
Judy F.
August 7, 2012 5:54 pm
@Smokey,
I wonder who the Mann is who posed for the picture in #30? Maybe climate science doesn’t pay so well after all…
sarc/ if necessary
Some updates:
UAH went down from 0.369 to 0.28 from June to July.
RSS went down from 0.339 to 0.292 from June to July.
The ENSO Index went down from +0.69 to +0.63 over the past week.
Mitt’s Plan
As president, Mitt Romney will make every effort to safeguard the environment, but he will be mindful at every step of also protecting the jobs of American workers. This will require putting conservative principles into action.
Significant Regulatory Reform
The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.
•Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
•Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
•Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
•Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
•Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
•Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
•Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production
The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.
•Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
•Open America’s energy reserves for development
•Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
•Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
•Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development
Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.
•Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
•Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research
As president, Mitt Romney will make every effort to safeguard the environment, but he will be mindful at every step of also protecting the jobs of American workers. This will require putting conservative principles into action.
Significant Regulatory Reform
The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.
•Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
•Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
•Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
•Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
•Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
•Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
•Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production
The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.
•Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
•Open America’s energy reserves for development
•Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
•Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
•Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development
Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.
•Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
•Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research
AlexS
August 7, 2012 7:23 pm
I think it should have been open thread Thursday and not Tuesday….. 🙂
H.R.
August 7, 2012 7:25 pm
click 35 Now that’s something you don’t see every day.
Sean
August 7, 2012 7:27 pm
Peer review according to NOAA: James Hansen’s latest paper is “flawed scientifically.” http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/07/climate-change-role-in-heat-waves-still-under-debate/
Also according to Martin Hoerling, a research meteorologist at NOAA: “The weather patterns responsible for most of today’s heat waves would have happened regardless of human-induced climate change,”
dp
August 7, 2012 7:39 pm
This past week in Seattle we’ve had a few days of very high temperatures (90’s) and clear blue bright sunny skies. Humidity was low so it wasn’t smothering heat. Perfect for Seafair, the Blue Angles, and the hydroplane races. Today the atmosphere was filled with green house gas (clouds, fog) and the sun was nowhere to be seen. The green house gas produced temperatures in the high 60’s. Very comfortable. But that is not how it is supposed to work. The models say with all these green house gases we should be dropping dead. What has actually happened is the way skeptics say it works. Watts a guy to believe – bat crap crazy agenda driven PNS nutters or what we see outside the window?
Tom in Texas
August 7, 2012 7:42 pm
I guess I liked Mitt’s energy platform so much, I subconsciously hit “paste” twice. Sorry.
Galane
August 7, 2012 7:54 pm
Weather computer design proposal, circa 1975. http://hackaday.com/2012/08/07/retrotechtacular-simulating-weather-patterns-with-a-logic-chip-computer/
210,000 TTL logic chips, 90 kilowatts, $10M (in 2012 dollars), roughly 100 times the computing ability of the IBM 360/95. The design is available to download as a PDF so it may be possible to write a simulation to run on current operating systems.
It would be interesting to have a simulation/emulation of that computer to see how it compares to current systems used for modeling weather.
geran
August 7, 2012 8:01 pm
(Thanks smokey, enjoy the links.)
I heard a good one this week. How to we get rid of all the corrupt politicians and judges?
We pay them more…..
Roger Carr
August 7, 2012 8:46 pm
I could have done without your Gibson Guitar update. Smokey. Spoils a good day.
Smokey... (“And sorry Roger Carr. Here it is from another point of vire:”) that’s the same link you posted before. The one that spoiled my day. However, point of vire has lifted my spirits some. vire. A light breeze or the small, disappearing waves on top of water produced by a breeze.
As in shootin’ the breeze?
Jim
August 8, 2012 8:15 am
Record cold and snow in South Africa. Still waiting on the Team Hockey Stick to explain this.
Did you happen to notice the arctic cyclonic storm has been going on for 48 hours now? worthy of a story! ice has been dropping like crazy
[REPLY: The recently posted Sea Ice News thread would be a good place to discuss it. Not sure we have enough good information on it yet to make a post. -REP]
Kelvin Vaughan
August 8, 2012 12:25 pm
Brilliant! Makes one proud to be British
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, Canadian scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the
conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more
than 150 years ago.
Not to be outdone by their neighbours, in the weeks that followed, an
American archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after, a
story published in the New York Times:
“American archaeologists, finding traces of 250-year-old copper wire,
have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech
communications network 50 years earlier than the Canadians”.
One week later, the British authorities reported the following:
“After digging as deep as 30 feet in North Yorkshire , Jack Arkwright,
a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely bugger all.
Jack has therefore concluded that 250 years ago, Britain had already
gone wireless.”
Smokey
Take good care of yourself. You make our day on a regular basis.
Louis Hooffstetter says:
August 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“Smokey
Take good care of yourself. You make our day on a regular basis.”
Seconded!
Re click 24,
it looks like someone finally invented a safer alternative to DHMO.
In Mn where I live we had a big rain and flash flood in northern MN, namely the Duluth area in June of this year you may have heard. Of course the headlines or at least some news stories tried to play the Global Warming card. For the record I’ve been in the meteorology field for 25yrs now.
Well one of the stories had the headline;
Duluth eyes rebuilding for a wetter climate
• Article by: BILL McAULIFFE , Star Tribune
• Updated: June 25, 2012 – 5:59 AM
City may be one of the first to design for big downpours.
This caught my attention of course as the ol’ global warming/climate change ruse was being thrust upon us one more time. There was a quote in the story from Mark Seeley, State Climatologist for MN. His quote was as follows;
“”There is very little dispute among climate scientists that we’re seeing a higher frequency of these extreme rainfall events, but not necessarily in the same parts of the state,” said climatologist Mark Seeley, a professor at the University of Minnesota. “They move around.”
Oh yes, his quote contained the ever so popular “very little dispute among climate scientists that”…yadda yadda clause so common in smug climatolgist circles. And his quote of describing how extreme’s ‘move around’. Well duh?!
So in any event I wanted answers about extreme rainfall events in MN so I went to Seeley’s own page (a wealth of local MN data) and directly to a section pertaining to extreme rain/flash flood events in MN and found a 41yr history on ‘flash flood/heavy rain events’ in MN since 1970. I added up each one of these events per year and produced a plot the ran a trend to see if these types of events were ‘increasing’. The trendline was absolutely flat. No trend in 40yrs of data. I then plotted Duluth’s monthly precip trends since the 1950s…4 months trended positive, 4 months negative and 2 months flat. The magnitude of the pos and neg trends about cancelled eachother out resulting in virtually no trend in DLH for nearly 60yrs. And the months that were trending negatively were the spring/summer which is where you’d most likely find the flash-flood events.
So not only has there been no trend in flash-flood events in MN these past 41yrs there has been no trend locally in Duluth’s monthly/annual precip, right there on Marky Seeleys own webpage (a good one at that!) The data is in direct conflict with Mark Seeley’s statement he made to the press. I have written to his Climate Office email twice now for a clarification; there has been no response. I will try a third time. I have emailed him before and he’s responded about neutral things in the past but is afraid to talk to me now it appears . I also know the assistant State Climatologist personally and will likely follow up with him if Seeley doesn’t respond.
There is no room for dishonest Alarmism and this is a classic case. And Seeley is showing his true colors by not responding to me. I was not confrontational in my email and simply layed out my concern and asked for a clarification….(chirp chirp chirp chirp)…
Dang it….it was 5mo pos 5mo neg and 2mo flat in the Duluth rainfall data…so sorry.
@Smokey,
I wonder who the Mann is who posed for the picture in #30? Maybe climate science doesn’t pay so well after all…
sarc/ if necessary
Some updates:
UAH went down from 0.369 to 0.28 from June to July.
RSS went down from 0.339 to 0.292 from June to July.
The ENSO Index went down from +0.69 to +0.63 over the past week.
Yikes…thunderstorm in Victoria BC.
Just like two weeks ago.
Global warming…yup, that’s it. I’ll run over to UVic and see what Dr. Weaver has to say.
Here is an interesting page:
http://www.justfacts.com/globalwarming.asp
Haven’t spent enough time there to know if it really is Just the Facts
Mitt’s Plan
As president, Mitt Romney will make every effort to safeguard the environment, but he will be mindful at every step of also protecting the jobs of American workers. This will require putting conservative principles into action.
Significant Regulatory Reform
The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.
•Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
•Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
•Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
•Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
•Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
•Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
•Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production
The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.
•Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
•Open America’s energy reserves for development
•Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
•Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
•Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development
Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.
•Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
•Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research
As president, Mitt Romney will make every effort to safeguard the environment, but he will be mindful at every step of also protecting the jobs of American workers. This will require putting conservative principles into action.
Significant Regulatory Reform
The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.
•Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
•Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
•Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
•Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
•Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
•Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
•Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production
The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.
•Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
•Open America’s energy reserves for development
•Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
•Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
•Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development
Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.
•Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
•Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research
I think it should have been open thread Thursday and not Tuesday….. 🙂
click 35 Now that’s something you don’t see every day.
Peer review according to NOAA: James Hansen’s latest paper is “flawed scientifically.”
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/07/climate-change-role-in-heat-waves-still-under-debate/
Also according to Martin Hoerling, a research meteorologist at NOAA: “The weather patterns responsible for most of today’s heat waves would have happened regardless of human-induced climate change,”
This past week in Seattle we’ve had a few days of very high temperatures (90’s) and clear blue bright sunny skies. Humidity was low so it wasn’t smothering heat. Perfect for Seafair, the Blue Angles, and the hydroplane races. Today the atmosphere was filled with green house gas (clouds, fog) and the sun was nowhere to be seen. The green house gas produced temperatures in the high 60’s. Very comfortable. But that is not how it is supposed to work. The models say with all these green house gases we should be dropping dead. What has actually happened is the way skeptics say it works. Watts a guy to believe – bat crap crazy agenda driven PNS nutters or what we see outside the window?
I guess I liked Mitt’s energy platform so much, I subconsciously hit “paste” twice. Sorry.
Weather computer design proposal, circa 1975. http://hackaday.com/2012/08/07/retrotechtacular-simulating-weather-patterns-with-a-logic-chip-computer/
210,000 TTL logic chips, 90 kilowatts, $10M (in 2012 dollars), roughly 100 times the computing ability of the IBM 360/95. The design is available to download as a PDF so it may be possible to write a simulation to run on current operating systems.
It would be interesting to have a simulation/emulation of that computer to see how it compares to current systems used for modeling weather.
(Thanks smokey, enjoy the links.)
I heard a good one this week. How to we get rid of all the corrupt politicians and judges?
We pay them more…..
I could have done without your Gibson Guitar update. Smokey. Spoils a good day.
CNN has an article: How a global warming skeptic came to change his mind
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/07/how-a-global-warming-skeptic-came-to-change-his-mind/
You know who that is about!
I added my 2 bits worth:
“According to satellite data by RSS, the slope for the last 15 years and 8 months is flat, meaning there has been no global warming according to RSS since December 1996. Check it out for yourself at:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1995/plot/rss/from:1996.9/trend“
A breath of fresh air:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/climate-catastrophe-or-media-hype/?singlepage=true
And sorry Roger Carr. Here it is from another point of vire:
http://moonbattery.com/?p=15357
So, how is the paper coming, Anthony?
Smokey... (“And sorry Roger Carr. Here it is from another point of vire:”) that’s the same link you posted before. The one that spoiled my day. However, point of vire has lifted my spirits some.
vire. A light breeze or the small, disappearing waves on top of water produced by a breeze.
As in shootin’ the breeze?
Record cold and snow in South Africa. Still waiting on the Team Hockey Stick to explain this.
Did you happen to notice the arctic cyclonic storm has been going on for 48 hours now? worthy of a story! ice has been dropping like crazy
[REPLY: The recently posted Sea Ice News thread would be a good place to discuss it. Not sure we have enough good information on it yet to make a post. -REP]
Brilliant! Makes one proud to be British
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, Canadian scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the
conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more
than 150 years ago.
Not to be outdone by their neighbours, in the weeks that followed, an
American archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after, a
story published in the New York Times:
“American archaeologists, finding traces of 250-year-old copper wire,
have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech
communications network 50 years earlier than the Canadians”.
One week later, the British authorities reported the following:
“After digging as deep as 30 feet in North Yorkshire , Jack Arkwright,
a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely bugger all.
Jack has therefore concluded that 250 years ago, Britain had already
gone wireless.”