The EPA and undisclosed human experimentation

In my email today:

From: The Honorable Dana Rohrabacher

Date: 4/27/2012

EPA Compromises the Integrity of Science

Dear Colleague:

“Which do you find more shocking: that the Environmental Protection Agency conducts experiments on humans that its own risk assessment would deem potentially lethal, or that it hides the results of those experiments from Congress and the public because they debunk those very same assessments?”

This critical question forms the basis for the attached Washington Times article: “Did Obama’s EPA relaunch Tuskegee experiments?” By Steve Milloy.

Moreover, this is one more piece of evidence that EPA uses science to play games, manipulate data, and generate faulty outcomes to justify their regulations. Here is a compelling example that highlights faulty science: “EPA researchers who conducted the experiments published the case study of the 58-year woman in the government journal Environmental Health Perspectives in which they casually disregard the woman’s preexisting conditions and blame her atrial fibrillation on PM2.2. They also failed to disclose the existence- let alone the results – of the other 40 experiments.”

If you are interested in understanding how the EPA continues to compromise the integrity of science, please read the full article here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/24/did-obamas-epa-relaunch-tuskegee-experiments/.

In Freedom,

/s/

Dana Rohrabacher

Member of Congress

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I suppose next, the EPA will try to shut down the Volcanoes National Park because it is “too dangerous”.

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Anything for the cause. The fate of one for the good of the masses. That fits the socialist theme. The ends justify the means. If you have to lie, do so. We are above them and they cannot reach us.

Paul Westhaver

If anyone is to conduct experiments of any kind on human beings, they must adhere to the Nuremberg Code. Fair point that the EPA is doing things to people and they do not know the outcomes and the people affected are not aware that they are lab rats.
That is immoral.
http://ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html
1) The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonable to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
2)….
These principles were the result of the Nuremberg Trials following WWII.
How soon we forget.

sSlabadang

Enviro Mengeles!

I was caused to pause for thought when I visited Volcanoes National Park in 2009. I had done work on numerous emissions reductions projects to take SO2 out of flue gas and also to remove sulfur from gasoline and diesel. Often, these projects involved capturing at most 10s of tonnes per day of sulfur. Yet when I was in Hawaii, they were no allowing people to hike up to the caldera because the volcano had become more active and SO2 emissions were up to 1700 t/d. Egads – that means that volcano is emitting more sulfur than all the refineries, cars and trucks in America.

DocMartyn

“they also failed to disclose the existence – let alone the results – of the other 40 experiments.”
When they wrote their protocol they would have had to state that they were going to incorporate all their findings. If they didn’t then they are in breach of their protocol, have not published all their data, and so have obtained their funding fraudulently.
No grant body would sign off on withholding data, this is exactly the sort of thing that give Big-Pharma a bad reputation.

Shevva

Shame that with the complete courrution of the West the best you can hope for is a slap on the wrist, scape goat or other such minimal measure so the corruption can continue.
Move along, nothing to see here, pay your taxes or you will banged up once the debt collectors have stirped you clean.

elizabeth (not the queen)

Sorry Ms. Jackson, Canadian researchers are already onto the cure for cancer.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150635846921971

Most of the particulates come from non-human sources. The particulate rules are to allow the control of all sorts of human activities, including farming and ploughing, as there is no ‘cure’ for the ‘problem’.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/take-that-nature-regulating-particulates/
Has a graph in it of global particulates. You will notice they are mostly in desert areas:
http://chiefio.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/particulates-483897main_global-pm2-5-map.jpg
by my read on that graph, per the EPA assertion, folks across all of North Africa, Arabia, Israel, Pakistan, north India and huge chunks of China ought to be all dead now… They didn’t need to do this “experiment”, they just needed to look at the US Government maps. But that would have told them they were wrong. But if you get a bunch of folks, some with preexisting conditions, and stress them, maybe you can find a nice poster child… even if a dying one.

R Barker

Some serious budget cuts for the EPA should be mandated.

Mike M

This deserves Drudge headlines with the flashing police car light! It’s something you would have expected to see only in the USSR under Stalin. Congress should cut off all of their funding and PURGE THE EPA NOW!

Robert M

I don’t see the problem, to make an omlet, yout have to break a few eggs. To achieve utopia, you have to break a few hundred million…
/sarc

Robert M

Sigh, No, I don’t know what a yout is either. 🙁 I meant to type “you”. The bigger question is, why is my computer no longer flagging my typo’s?
[It may be a browser issue. Check your settings. ~dbs.]

Doug Proctor

So: the 41 experimental subjects: should they sue the EPA for knowingly, according to Jackson’s statements, put them at imminent risk of death? Does the exposure have lasting effects, (probably, according to Jackson), so should any future health issues be at the cost of the EPA?
If it weren’t for the internet, we would never know about these things.
FOIA: the names of the subjects so that they can be notified.
Oh, Mann, what a web.

Curiousgeorge

Something missing here. Were these experimental subjects volunteers? Signed waivers, etc. ? Where’s the paperwork? There’s no indication in the article as to the protocol, or volunteer status of the subjects.
If they (the subjects) were not fully aware volunteers, then those with any connection whatsoever to the experiments should be hauled into court and severely punished.

onlyme

Barack Obama said to be considering Genghis Khan for his replacement.
/snark

temp

Eugenics loving… scary but not at all surprising. Sadly it seems most either don’t understand just how bad things have gotten or simply understand all to well and are desensitized to it.

Betapug

Wonderful to see displayed above the Milloy piece a Penn State banner ad flashing that I can earn my degree in “Energy and Sustainability Policy” without leaving home!
http://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/degrees-and-certificates/energy-and-sustainability-policy-bachelors/overview?cm_mmc=ENERGY+AND+SUSTAINABILITY+POLICY+11-12-_-Google+Display+Network-_-Online%3ABanner%3ARectangleLeaderboard-_-728×90+Green+{GOO38203}&gclid=CNrMjtud3a8CFQ1vhwoddFLeDA
It really would be a shame to miss the hands on experience of Armendariz crucifixion labs though.

Dr. Dave

2.5 microns is pretty small. That’s smaller than pollens, but viruses are smaller still. I’m afraid I just ain’t buyin’ the narrative. I would imagine that most PM2.5 particulates are natural in origin and there’s damn little we can do to severely limit concentrations to less than 35 mcg per m^3. It seems the EPA is casting about for yet another excuse to shut down coal.

onlyme

wrong thread, sorry, that post was meant for the http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/30/breaking-epas-crucifier-resigns/ thread.

the1pag

Has EPA crucified its crucifier? Whatever happend to drawing and quartering? Is this EPA’s new commitment to separation of church and state? What will happen to EPA’s environmental religious dogma?

R. de Haan

Now a member of Congress knows about EPA having become Soviet like administrative body I am completely satisfied, No?
But how about the judicial system?
If you ask me EPA is committing crimes against the American people.
I really wonder what’s the value of an American passport today.

You folks are starting to seriously worry us, your Northern neighbours…you know, the ones with all the oil your Prez doesn’t think you need, especially not at the favourable rates being offered. But that’s petty stuff compared to all the other horrors in the works. As one of our pundits recently said, if the current adminstration of activist lunatics, backed by the pitchfork crowds in the streets and parks aren’t turfed out of power come November, we…not only you and us up here in Canada, but the entire free world… are all finished. Not figuratively, but literally, as a civilization. No system can take another four years of such damage; it’s safer to be in a full-fledged war against superior enemies at this rate. It’s your business, of course, but we’ll all reap the results and we have right to worry and whine….such as when your bureaucratic muppets with microbrains and too much authority start violating the Nuremberg Code. Good Lord, what’s coming up next?

James Allison

This is just silly nonsense until primary documents are produced to verify the allegations.

sean71

Where is the substance to this accusation? Without references, it’s just the ramblings of yet another conspiracy theorist. Not saying it’s not, but no references suggests there has been no verification of this story before it was posted.

Kelvin Vaughan

When I was 6 (1952) and living in East London I can remember walking a mile to school in smog so thick and yellow you couldn’t see more than a few feet. You could taste the smog in your mouth and it made your throat sore. This used to happen each winter but the smogs were not quite so bad as 1952. Many people with chest problems died in the smogs.
Now 60 years later I am still here as are most of my classmates and I can still swim 50 metres under water without much problem.

richardscourtney

Friends:
I am commenting on this item because it has international significance. I am not commenting on US politics (I find right-wing politics distasteful and all US politics is right-wing).
The US often berates other nations for inadequate provision of human rights. In this case, the experiments provide a prima facie case of an agency of the US government acting contrary to international law by depriving US citizens of their human rights. Therefore, the US can expect a retort about hypocrisy whenever it comments on the human right in another country unless those responsible for the experiments are prosecuted.
I explain the apparent breach of international law as follows.
Contrary to some above comments in this thread, the Nuremberg Code, the Declaration of Helsinki, and the CIOMS code are ethical norms and are not enshrined in International Law.
However, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) conducted a study of international humanitarian customary law which provides a report that identifies 161 rules of such law. It says:
“Customary international law, on the other hand, derives from “a general practice accepted as law.” Such practice can be found in official accounts of military operations but is also reflected in a variety of other official documents, including military manuals, national legislation and case law. The requirement that this practice be “accepted as law” is often referred to as “opinion juris.” This characteristic sets practices required by law apart from practices followed as a matter of policy, for example.”
A characteristic of Customary International Law (CIL) is that norms can be identified at the stage at which they are emergent. According to the study by the Red Cross, the status of CIL has been attained by rules that prohibit the following acts:
* Genocide;
* Slavery or slave trade;
* The murder or causing the disappearance of individuals;
* Torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
* Prolonged arbitrary detention;
* Systematic racial discrimination; and
* A consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.
Inflict an experiment upon a person when it is suspected the experiment will cause physical harm to that person is clearly “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment”. Hence, the experiments reported in the above article provide a prima facie case of a crime according to international law.
Richard

Gary D.

Robert M.
a “yout” is New York pronuciation of youth. See “My Cousin Vinny”

Dr. Dave

Here is an interesting link that lists particle sizes by substance. Look it over and consider how likely we might be to keep anything 2.5 microns or smaller out of the air:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/particle-sizes-d_934.html

Reblogged this on TaJnB | TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg.

sean71 says:
April 30, 2012 at 12:30 pm
“Where is the substance to this accusation? Without references, it’s just the ramblings of yet another conspiracy theorist.”
Sorry sean71 has so little reading comprehension. The article’s link explains that the EPA’s Lisa Jackson testified before Congress about it:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/24/did-obamas-epa-relaunch-tuskegee-experiments

Curiousgeorge

I don’t understand why EPA – even if they did follow the rules – couldn’t have used monkeys for this experiment. The only reason I can come up with is because they would have taken too much heat from PETA.

Coach Springer

The reason to doubt the EPA is not the morality issue, it’s the ethics issue. They (the EPA) credibly prove that they hide proof that contradicts a pre-determined agenda. Milloy is just reporting on what was provided to him in a FOIA request. There will come a time when they will get their administrative act “together” and won’t be providing any such contradictory information. Maybe have UVA do the research and then claim academic freedom when the science doesn’t support the academics?

temp

Smokey says:
April 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I think sean71 is asking for the docs about how the study was conducted aka things like consent forms and such. Its doubtful though that the EPA will release that info anytime soon.
1. because it has to create the fake docs.
2. It has to run damage control with the docs it has.
3. because the EPA never gives anything up willingly.
richardscourtney says: (I find right-wing politics distasteful and all US politics is right-wing).
I hope for the day that all US politics are/return to rightwing… however only a stalinist could or would consider the current leftwing/centerleftwing ideology that is the current 2 party system in the US “rightwing”.

Shevva

Yer might help if people read the articles before commenting. Try here as well first before placing foot in mouth.
http://junkscience.com/

Auto

This, as almost everything else on here [and other right-minded sites], indicates too much government.
There are a plethora of bodies that exist ‘because they can’ – but which seek to invoke “Elf’n’Safe-tee”, or “Rights” (of child-rapists) or anti-discrimination [so those who are hoped will vote for them get advantages], and so on – can I say ‘ad nauseam’? – so that societies alter at the whim of those fundamentally opposed to theit tenets.
Much more and I risk slander or libel of the last two Prime Ministers of the United Kingdon. The present incumbent inspires enough confidence to cover a small pin-head – thinly.

Curiousgeorge

richardscourtney says:
April 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm
And how do you feel about compulsory sterilization for the purpose of combating climate change? Paid for in India by the UK Govt thru various cut-outs and financial deceptions?
http://thegwpf.org/uk-news/5586-uk-climate-policy-helps-fund-forced-sterilisation-of-indias-poor.html

richardscourtney

Temp:
At April 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm you quote me as having said:
“(I find right-wing politics distasteful and all US politics is right-wing).”
Then you respond to that by saying;
“I hope for the day that all US politics are/return to rightwing… however only a stalinist could or would consider the current leftwing/centerleftwing ideology that is the current 2 party system in the US “rightwing”. “
Only a Stalinist!?
Quad Erat Demonstrandum.
Perhaps you would care to address the substantive (and practical) point in my post; it said,
“The US often berates other nations for inadequate provision of human rights. In this case, the experiments provide a prima facie case of an agency of the US government acting contrary to international law by depriving US citizens of their human rights. Therefore, the US can expect a retort about hypocrisy whenever it comments on the human right in another country unless those responsible for the experiments are prosecuted.”
Or do you prefer they were not prosecuted for some right-wing reason?
Richard

richardscourtney

Curiousgeorge:
I am gob-smacked by your question at April 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm which asks me;
“And how do you feel about compulsory sterilization for the purpose of combating climate change? Paid for in India by the UK Govt thru various cut-outs and financial deceptions?”
I answer:
You would already know how I feel about that if you had read what I wrote.
I feel disgusted at it.
And I am also disgusted by your attempt to avoid discussion of the need to prosecute human experimentors in the US by asking me how I feel about something else.
Richard

temp

richardscourtney says:
“Or do you prefer they were not prosecuted for some right-wing reason?”
I fully support jailing obama for his many crimes both from US laws and international treaties that he has in many cases clearly broken.
“The US often berates other nations for inadequate provision of human rights. In this case, the experiments provide a prima facie case of an agency of the US government acting contrary to international law by depriving US citizens of their human rights. Therefore, the US can expect a retort about hypocrisy whenever it comments on the human right in another country unless those responsible for the experiments are prosecuted.”
First “international law” is an insanely subjective term due to the fact that
1. its not really legally binding law.
2. most people claiming international laws have been broken don’t know the first thing about international law.
3. international law has almost always been applied to support or punish people based on race, ideology, religion, politics and a host of other things. Rarely is it ever applied equally.
As to the US “berating” are you claiming that china doesn’t have millions of people tortured and jailed solely for politics? How about genocide all across africa? What about the gasing of kurds in iraq? The torturing, raping of christens and burning of christen churches/businesses in egypt in the last 6 months? The list goes on and on…. but instead of addressing any of this real issues they whine tha the jews may have shot some 12 year old that was packing a coat full of explosives trying to get on a bus full of kids… o the horror the jews shot a 12 year old.
Most people who whine about the US whining about the rest of the world know nothing about the world. They know nothing about the mass killing, raping, death, violence or simply reality that the rest of the world faces. Sane people wish for the day the rest of the world was only as evil as the evil bush lead US.

richardscourtney

temp:
I am replying to your diatribe at April 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm so others are aware that I have not avoided it.
Yes, there are many violations of international law in many countries. Those of us who oppose such atrocities do NOT discriminate on the basis of WHO did them: we attempt to raise awareness of them all with the aim of bringing as many perpetrators to justice as possible.
An atrocity is wrong whatever the politics of the government responsible. However, there are people (notably the US political right-wing) who think atrocities by governments of e.g. North Korea or China are worse than similar atrocities by governments of e.g. Israel or Zimbabwe.
The US attempts to condemn some of the atrocities but not others. And I have pointed out that the clear atrocity of human experimentation in the US will ensure that those whom the US condemns will rebut such condemnation as mere hypocrisy unless the US prosecutes the experimenters.
You may not like it but that rebuttal is inevitable unless the US prosecutes the experimenters.
Your rejection of international law needs no comment when – at the same time – you list some activities which show the need for more enforcement of it. Please remember the old adage;
‘First they came for the Jews but I was not a Jew so I took no notice. Then they came for etc…’
Richard

Sean

Barack Obama and his criminal administration should be facing felony charges.

temp

richardscourtney says:
Those of us who oppose such atrocities do NOT discriminate on the basis of WHO did them:
really well this guy bases it solely on WHO did them
richardscourtney says:
“However, there are people (notably the US political right-wing) who think atrocities by governments of e.g. North Korea or China are worse than similar atrocities by governments of e.g. Israel or Zimbabwe. ”
richardscourtney claims that the jews are somehow killing hundreds of thousands yearly, jailing millions, etc, etc, etc.
What next will this richardscourtney claim… expelling CO2 is a crime against humanity? You should really have a talk with him and explain to richardscourtney that torturing, raping, jailing and murdering of people on an hourly basis is a little worse then maybe doing it once or twice and year in which often the people are caught and punished…
Just saying maybe you richardscourtney should have a long talk with this richardscourtney guy who claims such insane things.
Also I would point out that the US government has not been “rightwing” in decades. Once again only a real nut case such as a hardcore stalinist would view the US as rightwing.

DocMartyn

“Dr. Dave says:
2.5 microns is pretty small. That’s smaller than pollens, but viruses are smaller still. ”
The human lung has a blind spot for particulate removal for certain sizes over a narrow band, about 10-60 nm. We have a hard time getting rid of particulates this sort of size, compared with large and smaller.
http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2004/Nonoparticles-On-Brain2004.htm
This is why biological weapons have a bacteria/virus bound to particles of a specific size.

richardscourtney

temp:
I object to your post at April 30, 2012 at 3:00 pm which is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote.
It puts words in my mouth that I have not uttered and would not utter.
I ask others to read what I actually wrote and to judge it for themselves.
And I tell you to go wash your mouth out. I will not reply to any more of your despicable and offensive nonsense until you have provided an apology.
Richard

sean71

I was indeed asking what evidence junkscience has for the blog post. If its made up, its a bit of a joke posting it here.

temp

[SNIP: This is getting way off topic and too vituperative and personal. -REP]

[SNIP: Peter, I appreciate your position, but I’ve already declared this conversation off-topic. Let’s drop it, OK? -REP]

REP, I understand and appreciate your position as well and I don’t envy you; the conversation has is indeed gone far, far off-topic. However, richardscourtney made an off-topic, false and slanderous comparison, part of which was ably rebuffed by temp, but he also exploited a well known quotation and it remains on record without rebuffal. May I just politely request that richardscourtney, he specifically, not use “First they came for the Jews but I was not a Jew so I took no notice. Then they came for etc…” again? I feel that his use of this quotation in the context of his arguments insults me personally.
[REPLY: OK, but this really is the end. -REP]

REP: Thank you.
Back on topic, I heard here and there about the possibility of simply defunding and striking the EPA off and returning environmental regulation to the states. Given the damage the agency has caused, the idea has much merit, but is there a mechanism, first for dismantling the agency, and then for setting up an oversight department perhaps, to ensure that things don’t devolve to the the free-for-all in the sixties? Or is environmental “health” economically and politically necessary enough to assume that the states and the various courts can manage this without Federal oversight? I don’t know wnough about how the US works.

aharris

I can fully believe this of an administration bureaucracy, and for the guy who’s claiming that this admin is right wing? … He clearly has a very poor understanding of US politics. If this is true, it’s just one more distrubing thing to lay alongside Fast and Furious and other such scandals that should be investigated thoroughly by Congress. And yes, the EPA deserves some very, very deep budget cuts. We have to start saving money somewhere.