Guest post by Alec Rawls
Miller et al. 2012 recently provided some pretty strong evidence for a solar driver of climate. “This is the first time anyone has clearly identified the specific onset of the cold times marking the start of the Little Ice Age,” said lead author Gifford Miller in January. And the dates?
LIA summer cold and ice growth began abruptly between 1275 and 1300 AD, followed by a substantial intensification 1430-1455 AD.
As you can see in the graphic above (from Usoskin 2003) these dates correspond pretty much with the midpoints of the Wolf and Spörer solar minima. (Usoskin 2007 centers Wolf at 1305 with a duration of 70 years and Spörer at 1470 with a duration of 160 years.)
Yet Miller never noted this coincidence. In fact, he tried to hide it, claiming that the onset of snow and ice growth coincided with periods of especially high volcanism (debunked both by Willis and by Wired), while dismissing the solar explanation with a misleading reference to the Maunder Minimum:
Our precisely dated records demonstrate that the expansion of ice caps after Medieval times was initiated by an abrupt and persistent snowline depression late in the 13th Century, and amplified in the mid 15th Century, coincident with episodes of repeated explosive volcanism centuries before the widely cited Maunder sunspot minimum (1645–1715 AD [Eddy, 1976]).
This is a remarkably blatant deception, acceded to by 13 co-authors plus the reviewers and editors at Geophysical Research Letters. It takes no expertise to know about the Wolf and Spörer minima. There is no physics involved, so who do these people think they are fooling?
Nobody. They just don’t think it is their job to make the case for what they regard as “the other side.” The anti-CO2 alarmists are behaving like lawyers in an adversarial legal proceeding, hiding what hurts their own case while overstating what can be fashioned in support. In the courts an adversarial system is able to elicit a measure of truth only because there is a judge to maintain rules of evidence and a hopefully unbiased jury examining the facts. These conditions do not obtain in science. The anti-CO2 alarmists are both the peer-review jury and the judge/editors, devolving into a pre-scientific ethic where acceptance is determined by power, not reason and evidence.
The lawyerly behavior of Miller et al. lead them to embrace a particular excuse for ignoring the evidence for a powerful solar driver of climate (even evidence that they themselves uncover). They don’t “need” it. But they were not the pioneers of this anti-scientific ploy. That dishonor goes to Gavin Schmidt.
Miller’s two null hypotheses, specific and general
The specific hypothesis of Miller’s paper is a feedback mechanism by which the cooling from volcanic episodes could get amplified into longer term cooling. It is “tested” via climate model. From Miller’s University of Colorado press release:
The models showed sustained cooling from volcanoes would have sent some of the expanding Arctic sea ice down along the eastern coast of Greenland until it eventually melted in the North Atlantic. Since sea ice contains almost no salt, when it melted the surface water became less dense, preventing it from mixing with deeper North Atlantic water. This weakened heat transport back to the Arctic and creating a self-sustaining feedback system on the sea ice long after the effects of the volcanic aerosols subsided.
But the real null hypothesis of the paper, the one that expresses the authors’ motivation, as revealed by blatant cover-up of their own evidence for a solar driver of climate, is more general. It appears in the last line of their abstract, which says that in order to explain the Little Ice Age, “large changes in solar irradiance are not required.”
The timings Miller found point like a neon sign to a solar explanation but he is determinedly oblivious to that evidence. He is only interested in whether there could be some other possible explanation, and as long as that null hypothesis is not absolutely falsified, he takes that as a rationale for ignoring the alternative hypothesis and the evidence for it.
What exactly is the alternative hypothesis? According to Miller’s wording, it is that the Little Ice Age was actually caused by “large changes in solar irradiance.” But nobody thinks that there have been large changes in solar irradiance. There is broad agreement that while solar magnetic activity fluctuates dramatically, solar irradiance remains almost constant. Irradiance shifts towards the UV when solar activity is high, but the change in Total Solar Irradiance is too small to bring about much decadal or century scale variation in climate.
In contrast, there is a great deal of evidence for a solar-magnetic driver of climate (second section here). This is the real alternate hypothesis, and there is at least one well developed theory for how it could occur: Henrik Svensmark’s GCR-cloud.
As a good adversarial lawyer, Miller is unwilling to betray any hint that this alternate hypothesis is even a possibility. Like Voldemart, it is the foe that “must not be named.” Thus Miller refers to the possible solar-magnetic driver of climate indirectly and incorrectly as “large changes in solar irradiance.”
Lawyerly advocacy is not science
In his role as an advocate, Miller’s fear is fully justified. A strong solar-magnetic effect on climate would be a death knell for anti-CO2 alarmism. Any late 20th century warming that can be attributed to that era’s continued high levels of solar activity reduces by the same amount the warming that can possibly be attributed to CO2, which in tern reduces the implied sensitivity of climate to CO2. Even worse, if solar-magnetic effects actually outweigh CO2 effects (my own surmise, by a wide margin) then the present danger is cooling, not warming, thanks to our now quiescent sun.
But lawyerly advocacy is not science. To only examine the evidence for non-solar explanations is to throw away information, violating the most basic scientific rationality, yet this is what the “consensus” has been doing for many years. My review of the first draft of the next IPCC report documents how “vast evidence for solar climate driver rates one oblique sentence in AR5.” AR4 listed Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) as the only solar effect on climate, as did the Third Assessment Report (scroll to TSI). “The Team” simply omits what they wish to avoid.
Miller plays this game from the get go, where his opening literature review assumes that the only solar effect is TSI:
Episodes of anomalously cold summers primarily are attributed to some combination of reductions in solar irradiance, especially the LIA Maunder sunspot minimum [Eddy, 1976], explosive volcanism, and changes in the internal modes of variability in the ocean–atmosphere system [Crowley, 2000; Wanner et al., 2011]. However, the natural radiative forcings are either weak or, in the case of explosive volcanism, shortlived [Robock, 2000], thus requiring substantial internal feedback.
Robock 2000 only addresses the volcanic issue, so Miller’s only grounds for calling solar forcing a “weak” effect is his own analysis, where he only looks at TSI (using the TSI reconstruction of Schmidt et al. 2011).
That’s a phony literature review. Miller’s repeated deceptions—hiding the Wolf and Spörer minima, referring to large solar effects as “large changes in solar irradiance” when there is no such hypothesis—can only be to hide the possible role of solar magnetic activity, but this actual object of Miller’s paper goes unmentioned in what is supposed to be a survey of the most relevant science. The literature review is a place where an adversarial approach is explicitly rejected by well established scientific standards, but the alarmists are not playing by the rules.
There is nothing wrong with Miller et al. testing their hypothesis that solar activity does not play a significant role (which they do by “setting solar radiation at a constant level in the climate models”). But when they pair this non-falsification of their pet theory with blatant misdirection about their own discovered evidence for the alternative hypothesis, that is bad. It is using the “not needed” claim as an implicit justification for the omitted variable fraud that the entire consensus is engaged in.
Gavin Schmidt is a pioneer of the “not needed” excuse for ignoring possible solar magnetic effects
Some history on this particular ploy, for anyone who is interested. Miller and his co-authors are not the first to pull the “not needed” gambit. Eleven years ago Shindell, Schmidt, Mann, Rind and Waple published a paper in Science that is remarkably similar to Miller 2012. Like Miller, Schmidt and his co-authors propose a North Atlantic mechanism for amplifying cooling effects, though the mechanism itself is quite different. The spectral shift that accompanies decreased solar activity is hypothesized to alter atmospheric ozone composition in a cooling direction, setting in motion atmospheric flows (“planet waves”) that in turn are hypothesized to drive the North Atlantic Oscillation. Their null hypothesis is the same as Miller’s: that they can account for the Little Ice Age without invoking any solar effects beyond the expected variations in solar irradiance, and their test is also the same: they run a model.
If the UV shift that goes with low solar activity can explain much of the Little Ice Age, couldn’t the UV shift from high solar activity explain a similar amount of 20th century warming? No say Shindell et al. Changes in atmospheric composition from the pre-industrial to the industrial period supposedly cause the effect of the UV shift to reverse (p. 2151):
Ozone’s reversal from a positive (preindustrial) to a negative feedback supports results showing that solar forcing has been a relatively minor contributor to late 20th-century surface warming (7, 19, 31).
Thus the CO2 explanation for recent warming is not undercut, enabling claims of future catastrophic warming to go forward. Of course Schmidt’s references “showing that solar forcing has been a relatively minor contributor to late 20th-century surface warming” only look at TSI, and his “ozone reversal” is not an empirical finding but a model result. They’ve got all the doors manned.
In 2005, this 2001 paper became the centerpiece of a public exchange between Gavin Schmidt and science fiction author Jerry Pournelle. Schmidt was vigorously insisting on the scientific integrity of himself and everyone he knew:
None, not one, of the climate scientists I meet at conferences or workshops or that I correspond with fit the stereotype you paint of catastrophists making up worries to gain grant money. Personally, I don’t think I’ve ever made a dramatic statement in papers, public speechs, grant applications or letters to the editor. Yet I still manage to keep my job and support a couple of graduate students. This is the same in every institution and university. … I do not go around being a doom sayer – but it is incumbent on scientists to explain to people what it is we think we understand, and what it is we don’t.
To explain the sober science that causes him to dismiss the solar-warming hypothesis, Schmidt invoked his 2001 paper with Shindell et al.. It shows that there is no “need” to bring in any suspicious “new physics” (Schmidt’s Voldmartian euphemism for the solar-magnetic hypothesis that must not be named):
I was a co-author of a paper in Science in 2001, that looked at whether climate models could replicate this pattern given the known physics of solar change. We found that two features were key, allowing the solar irradiance to vary more in the UV than in the visible (consistent with what is seen over the sunspot cycle), and allowing the ozone field to vary as a function of the UV and temperature in the stratosphere. With both of these effects, the model produced global cooling (as you would expect) but also a robust change to the circulation (a weakened NAO) that amplified the cooling in western Eurasia and over the mid-latitude continents. Obviously given the uncertainties in the forcing, the data that we were trying to match, and uncertainty in the model response, we can’t use this a proof that we got all of it right. However, in the absence of better data, there is no obvious need for ‘new’ or unknown physics to explain what was going on. This was just a first cut, and better models and more data are being brought to bear on the problem, so the conclusion may change in the future. As of now though, this is still the current state of thinking.
“New or unknown physics” is obviously a reference to to GCR-cloud, which Schmidt finds lacking as a theory. Fine, but that is no excuse for ignoring the ever growing mountain of evidence that there is some mechanism by which solar activity is having a much larger effect on climate than can be explained by changes in solar irradiance. I compile some of that evidence in the second section here. For the state of that evidence in 2001, the Third Assessment Report’s section 6.11.2.2 on “Cosmic rays and clouds” is well worth a look.
While AR4 and AR5 have progressively excised the evidence for solar activity as a powerful driver of global temperature, TAR actually began with several paragraphs of studies that found substantial correlations between solar activity and climate. Only then did it judge the proposed mechanisms that might account for these correlations to be too uncertain to include in their modeling.
That would be okay if they still took the discovered correlations into account in formulating their climate predictions, but of course they did not. This is the highly improper step that invalidates the IPCC’s entire enterprise. They are using theory (in particular, their dissatisfaction with Svensmark’s GCR-cloud theory) as an excuse to ignore the evidence that supports the theory, excising its known predictive power from their predictive scheme.
Evidence is supposed to trump theory, not vice versa. The IPCC is inverting the scientific method. It is literal, definitional, anti-science, and Schmidt’s “no need” excuse is simply another justification for doing the same thing. Since there is no need to invoke a strong solar driver of climate, he is going to ignore the evidence for a strong solar driver of climate, and this is what Schmidt holds up to Pournelle as an example of his integrity: the very point where he justifies the omitted variable fraud that is being perpetrated by himself and his cohorts. If only he were capable of embarrassment.
Who is actually doing a suspicious new kind of physics?
Schmidt looks askance at GCR-cloud as “new physics,” but it isn’t new in any fundamental sense. The cloud micro-physics that Svensmark, Kirkby and others are looking at is presumed to follow established particle physics models. It is a new application of current physics. What Schmidt is really suggesting with his jaundiced eye is that we should be reluctant to extrapolate our current understanding of physical principles to illuminate the biggest scientific controversy of the day.
At the same time, he and Miller and the rest of the alarmists have introduced something that really is new and problematic. They are using model runs to test their hypotheses. They are using theory to test theory, with no empirical test needed. Here Miller describes how he “tests” his theory about ocean feedbacks (page 3 of 5):
Climate modeling reveals one such possible feedback mechanism. Following Zhong et al. [2011], we tested whether abrupt LIA snowline depressions could be initiated by decadally paced explosive volcanism and maintained by subsequent sea-ice/ocean feedbacks. We completed a 550-year transient experiment (1150–1700 AD) using Community Climate System Model 3 [Collins et al., 2006] with interactive sea ice [Holland et al., 2006] at T42 x 1 resolution. Our transient simulation was branched off a 1000 AD control run, and forced solely by a reconstructed history of stratospheric volcanic aerosols and relatively weak solar irradiance changes (Figure 2b) [Gao et al., 2008].
Models are not reality, and in the above case the model is known to be wrong. Total solar effects are presumed to be “weak”? That is what the alarmists all assume but it is not what the empirical evidence says, and while they may be able to tweak their models enough to keep them from being strictly falsified by the LIA, the last decade of no significant warming has them stumped completely.
General Circulation Models are the most elaborate hypotheses ever concocted. They involve thousands of questionable steps, iterated thousands of times. To illustrate, the Shindell-Schmidt paper is good enough to provide us with a highly abridged description of the hypothetical steps that their model works through. It gives some idea of the volume and sweep of what they are theorizing (p. 2150). (If you are actually going to read this, brace yourself):
Our previous studies have demonstrated how external forcings can excite the AO/ NAO in the GISS GCM (22, 25). Briefly, the mechanism works as follows, using a shift toward the high-index AO/NAO as an example: (i) tropical and subtropical SSTs warm, leading to (ii) a warmer tropical and subtropical upper troposphere via moist convective processes. This results in (iii) an increased latitudinal temperature gradient at around 100 to 200 mbar, because these pressures are in the stratosphere at higher latitudes, and so do not feel the surface warming (26). The temperature gradient leads to (iv) enhanced lower stratospheric westerly winds, which (v) refract upward-propagating tropospheric planetary waves equatorward. This causes (vi) increased angular momentum transport to high latitudes and enhanced tropospheric westerlies, and the associated temperature and pressure changes corresponding to a high AO/NAO index. Observations support a planetary wave modulation of the AO/NAO (27, 28), and zonal wind and planetary wave propagation changes over recent decades are well reproduced in the model (22).
Reduced irradiance during the Maunder Minimum causes a shift toward the lowindex AO/NAO state via this same mechanism. During December to February, the surface in the tropics and subtropics cools by 0.4° to 0.5°C because of reduced incoming radiation and the upper stratospheric ozone increase. Cooling in the tropical and subtropical upper troposphere is even more pronounced (;0.8°C) because of cloud feedbacks, including an ;0.5% decrease in high cloud cover induced by ozone through surface effects. A similar response was seen in simulations with a finer resolution version of the GISS GCM (14). This cooling substantially reduces the latitudinal temperature gradient in the tropopause region, decreasing the zonal wind there at ;40°N. Planetary waves coming up from the surface at mid-latitudes, which are especially abundant during winter, are then deflected toward the equator less than before (equatorward Eliassen-Palm flux is reduced by 0.41 m2/s2, 12° to 35°N, 300 to 100 mbar average), instead propagating up into the stratosphere (increased vertical flux of 6.3 3 1024 m2/s2, 35° to 60°N, 100 to 5 mbar average) (29). This increases the wavedriven stratospheric residual circulation, which warms the polar lower stratosphere (up to 1°C), providing a positive feedback by further weakening the latitudinal temperature gradient. The wave propagation changes imply a reduction in northward angular momentum transport, hence a slowing down of the middle- and high-latitude westerlies and a shift toward the low AO/NAO index. Because the oceans are relatively warm during the winter owing to their large heat capacity, the diminished flow creates a cold-land/ warm-ocean surface pattern (Fig. 1).
That is a LOT of speculation. Normally it is all hidden. They just say, “we did a model run,” but this is what it actually means: ten thousand questionable steps iterated a hundred thousand times. It is fine for people to be working on these models and trying to make progress with them, but to use them to make claims about what is actually happening in the world is insane, and using them as an excuse for ignoring actual empirical evidence is worse than insane.
This really is a new kind of science, and not one that stands up to scrutiny. We are being asked to turn our world upside down on the strength of the most elaborate speculations in the history of mankind, yet Schmidt thinks it is cloud microphysics—traditional science!—that should be eschewed. All to justify the destruction of the modern world, now well underway.
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Good summary from Legatus and I agree entirely.
However I think there is enough data now available to say that solar variations other than raw TSI are affecting the climate system but being heavily modulated by oceanic internal system variability.
We can see a mix of interacting top down solar and bottom up oceanic influences sometimes supplementing and sometimes offsetting each other.
There is a myriad of other factors but by and large at any given time they more or less cancel out and leave sun and oceans supreme over timescales of centuries or more.
As for the solar effect it appears to operate via upper atmospheric interaction with solar particles and wavelenghts to alter the vertical temperature profile inducing air circulation changes that affect total global cloudiness and albedo with the effects spreading out from the poles as the polar vortices expand and contrac approximatelt in time with solar changes.
The link with solar activity is hard to discern over periods of less than several decades due to internal system variability from other causes (especially the oceans) and from underlying chaotic behaviour on short timescales but over a century or more the solar influence becomes increasingly more apparent and at one millennium or longer it looks pretty convincing.
In fact, now that I think I know what we should be looking for, even shorter term solar variations do appear to have a link to the size and intensity of the polar vortices as witness the recent very low solar minimum coinciding with a record negative AO and much more meridional / equatorwardl jet streams with more global cloud cover.
During the late 20th century warming period we saw a much more positive AO with less global cloudiness and more zonal / poleward jetstreams.
Some questions:
For 24 times now, we have seen solar minimums and maximums every 11 years or so. During the minimum, there are less or no sunspots. During that time, does the solar wind slow down significantly? I am asking that because the main possible reason for cosmic ray effects seems to depend on the intensity of the solar wind. If solar wind continues pretty much as normal during a standard solar cycle minimum, that means that solar wind intensity may not be able to be estimated on the short scale at least from such proxies as we may have (sunspot count). Or do the proxies (the longe scale ones especially) measure cosmic rays more directly? Also, how long would it take of solar wind slowness for there to be any effect on cosmic rays, days, years, decades? If it takes a very long time, that would explain why it is hard to spot cosmic ray driven changes in the climate, one could only expect to see them with a long enough Solar Minimum (caracterized by less active solar cycle maximums).
We need a new name for named solar minimums as different than the standard solar minimums that happen every 11 years, I try to Capitalize the named minimums to differentiate then, but I don’t think even that is enough. Is there another name for things like say the Maunder Minimum other than Solar Minimum?
And about UV effects on polar climate, does UV go down every 11 years during solar cycle minimum? If it does, do the poles see changes every 11 years? If they do, do we see changes in weather near the poles? If it does not, and the next cycles is of very low activity, we should have a good chance to ovserve if there are climate effects near the poles from changes in UV. If there are, and we are looking at “global average temeprature” for an indication of a cold period or not, we may see little in that even though some people in the northern hemesphere are freezing (relatively speaking). Also, if any climate effects are partially or mostly from UV, I would expect that global average temperature changes could take a very long time if the main effect of UV is near the poles, since most of the warming is at lower lattitudes. People in Holland may be skating on canals while people in Bali see no change at all. This of course assumes that UV has any noticable effect, we should have a very good chance to obsorve this if our CO2 obsessed masters will allow us to look at anything except CO2.
If changes in solar activity (named minimums) do effect climate, but the mechanism has little or nothing to do with cosmic rays, and a lot or all of it has to do with UV, and IF the main effect of UV is near the poles, we should be able to tell from proxies that, during major named minimums, it gets a lot colder fairly fast near the poles, while things like “global average temperature” and temparature at much lower lattitudes are much slower to change. Thus, if UV has a major effect, we may be able to tell this by seeing a difference in past temperatures where it gets colder fast at way inland near polar areas (to keep it away from ocean current effects flowing up from tropical areas) as compared to tropical areas where any drop in temparatures is delayed if at all. Do we have any reliable temparature proxies from central Siberia or Canada that go back to at least the LIA, preferably to at least the MWP?
lastly, looking at this http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/easterbrook_fig5.jpg , I see one long period of cooling (at that one spot in Greenland), two shorter ones, and one much shorter one, as we go back in time. Are there proxies of solar activity and/or cosmic rays and/or UV that show any change in solar activity during those times? What about the major heat spikes? If proxies exist and show no major solar change, this can mean that at the very least, there is something that can cause shorter periods of coldness that is not solar related. it may still be that if we once again have a fairly long period of solar low activity (the LIA had the very long Maunder plus several other lesser Minimums) that we could see coldness, but if those past episodes of coldness where not associated with solar activities, the it may have to be long for major worldwide coldness at least.
Legatus,
All good questions and reasonable suggestions.
Currently the available data is very limited unreliable but I stand by my interpretation of what we do know and await developments with interest.
Legatus says:
May 4, 2012 at 7:22 am
During the minimum, there are less or no sunspots. During that time, does the solar wind slow down significantly?
Here is the variation of several solar wind quantities over a solar cycle: http://www.leif.org/research/Climatological%20Solar%20Wind.png [based on data for cycles 13 thru 23]
Or do the proxies (the longe scale ones especially) measure cosmic rays more directly?
We observe radioactive nuclii produced by cosmic rays and transported and deposited by atmospheric processes [i.e. climate itself]. Direct, well-calibrated measurements of cosmic rays goes back to ~1950.
Also, how long would it take of solar wind slowness for there to be any effect on cosmic rays, days, years, decades?
About one year, which is the time it takes the solar wind to move to the edge of the heliosphere. Rare burst of solar wind can produce short-lived [a few days] changes in the cosmic ray flux.
Is there another name for things like say the Maunder Minimum other than Solar Minimum?
Usually called ‘Grand Solar Minima’
And about UV effects on polar climate, does UV go down every 11 years during solar cycle minimum?
UV follows the sunspot number very closely.
If it does, do the poles see changes every 11 years?
Not that everyone can agree upon.
Do we have any reliable temparature proxies from central Siberia or Canada that go back to at least the LIA, preferably to at least the MWP?
No
First, I look at this again (note, true for Greenland, not necessarily true for everywhere), I see cold periods at the following times:
6385 BC (short but cold)
about 2771 BC (less cold, but medium length)
about 1304 AD (cold, medium long)
and the LIA from about 655 AD to 150 AD (cold, very long compared to the others)
Now, my question is, for those first three cold periods, can we say whether or not they coincided with a Grand Solar Minima? If they did not, we have something, we can say that cold periods, at least short ones, are possible without a Grand Solar Minima to drive it. That would tell us that something else is at work. We may not know yet what it is, but if we can rule out Grand Solar Minima during those times, we will at least know that it exists.
Also, was there ever another time when there were so many Minima bunched up together, including one that was long and deep, as was true for the LIA, yet the temperature did not respond? If we can know of such a time, know the length and depth of the Minima and also the temperature, if the temperature stayed up, we could say that either grand Solar Minima have little or no effect on temperature, or that whatever is changing temperature in question one is stronger than Grand Solar Minima and was working against it that time.
It would also be nice to know if the Minoan warm period and the other two warm period of sequel strength before it (unnamed) coincided with Grand Solar Maxima.
If we cannot conclusively show that the sun did it, we may be able to show that there are times when the sun did not do it, which will then tell us that we should look for something else that did. This may not leave the sun entirely free of, uh, guilt for making the LIA, however, it can show that the sun may be less involved than we believe. There is still the Maunder and several other Grand Solar Minima (the others being not so grand) all happening during this time frame (rather like finding someone at the scene of the crime who we do not know yet was involved, but they were there and could be), so they may well have contributed (especially to the length), but they may have had help.
One possibility is that there are various cycles of hot and cold going on. When a bunch of them all happen to cycle cold at the same time, there will be a shortish period of cold (as in 6385 BC). As time has gone on, they tend more toward cold and less toward heat, the hot periods are less hot and long, and the cold periods have gotten progressively longer. This may be due to a slow decline in inslotion (which we know about), and/or it could be because of increasing periods of Grand Minimas, or both. It may be that, with the slowly decreasing insolation, cold periods will tend longer. However, in the LIA, it may be that it would have been only a little longer, but when it was scheduled to get warm again, along came one or more Grand Solar Minima and drove things back toward cold again.
One way to look at it is like a crime. Some people are blaming the sun for the entirety of the LIA. If we can show that the sun was present at past crimes (which of course it was) but did not do it then, that leaves open the possibility that it did not do it in the LIA as well, or that it was only an accessory to the crime and will only serve 10 years instead of 25 to life.
One possibility is that there are cycles of hot and cold, and that they can line up to all be cold at the same time and make shortish periods of cooling as we see in the past. The sun may also have periods of Grand Minima which also tend toward cold, but in the past cycles that were tending toward hot may have overridden it (or just muddied the scientific waters). Think of it as the sun being just one of many crooks, and in the past, the other crooks were stronger so the sun was not able to muscle in on their territory. After a while though, these other criminals got slowly weaker, and then the sun got stronger, in terms of being able to throw a whole bunch of Grand Solar Minima at the same time. In terms of crime, at this time, the sun became a Crime Boss, and hired other crooks to go out and do its dirty work for it ( made it so there was less hot cycles and more cold cycles by bludgeoning them down with repeated and deep/long Minima). This way, the sun can say “I didn’t do it”, and be sorta correct, the sun may not have done it, it hired other crooks to do it. That may be why it is so hard to tell if the sun did it.
Meanwhile, the UV evidence is uncertain (probably hired all those other crooks to muddy the waters with cycles and stuff so we can’t see what happened), and the Interplanetary Magnetic Field has stayed so steady and regular for 10 cycles that if it has a hand in cooling we certainly can’t tell it there. The good news, detective Lief has received a hot tip about a crime about to go down, and is lurking in the bushes to catch em in the act (the sun may actually do something new for a change). The only problem, there may be so many of them running around it may be hard to tell who did what and how much. Some of them may be Doing The Dirty Deed, some may simply be accessories (drivers, lookouts) and some may be hired to stand around just to confuse the cops (“stand here and look guilty”).
Of course, we now have to name this new detective series:
The Adventure of the Speckled Sun
Solar Blaze
The Yellow Face (the sun did it in those three)
The Five Orange Suns (volcanoes)
The Crooked Current (the ocean did it)
The Geek Interpreter (CO2 did it, but you can only tell from a model)
BTW, the reason I was interested in say central Siberia for a proxy is to try and find someplace without the ocean interfering. That way, we might be able to spot UV/polar effects. However, I suspect that no such place exists on this planet. That ocean really makes it hard to tell where the cooling or warming is coming from. Doesn’t it know that we are trying to do serious scientific work here?!
Legatus says:
May 4, 2012 at 8:08 pm
One possibility is that there are various cycles of hot and cold going on.
Some cold periods do coincide with Grand Minima, and some do not. The first order of business before speculation takes flight is to produce reliable historical records. We do not yet have such, but it is being worked on [hard] and the situation is bound to improve.
Legatus,
The big confounding factor is indeed the oceans and of course other influences could gang up from time to time to either supplement or offset the net interaction from sun and oceans.
Your description of the detective type approach that is necessary is spot on and I agree with Leif that currently we don’t have enough of the right historical data to disentangle it all.
In the meantime Leif is pretty sure that the sun is not implicated whereas I am pretty sure that it is.
Modern sensors and intense ongoing scrutiny are likely to firm the issue up one way or the other over coming years. Current solar behaviour is so different from that of the late 20th century that the evidence one way or the other should not be long coming if the sun doesn’t revert to that earlier behaviour in the near future.
Many features of the climate system changed around 2000 in time with the decline in solar activity and I find it very hard to believe that so many changes occurred all at the same time for the sun not to be a factor:
The stratosphere stopped cooling.
Cloudcover and albedo began to increase again.
The jets became more meridional / equatorward
ENSO turned more towards La Nina
Tropospheric temperatures stopped rising.
Ocean heat content stopped rising.
AO became record negative around the time of lowest solar activity for 100 years.
Arctic ice continued to drop until 2007 due to oceanic lags but may now be recovering.
The cold pools around the north pole in winter have been intensifying.
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=8890
“Visual Proof of Global Cooling since 2007”
All whilst solar activity declined. Quite a smoking gun in my opinion but we do not have similar data for any past periods of time. Just woolly and unreliable proxy data.
Stephen Wilde says:
May 5, 2012 at 12:37 am
In the meantime Leif is pretty sure that the sun is not implicated whereas I am pretty sure that it is.
Here is the difference: I’m not ‘pretty sure’. It is only that the evidence is too weak to be compelling or even suggestive. You are ‘pretty sure’ from the outset, no matter what the evidence is.
“You are ‘pretty sure’ from the outset, no matter what the evidence is.”
An unnecessary and inaccurate cheap shot which is not worthy of you.
Stephen Wilde says:
May 5, 2012 at 8:27 am
“You are ‘pretty sure’ from the outset, no matter what the evidence is.”
An unnecessary and inaccurate cheap shot which is not worthy of you.
Let me make the shot cheaper yet:
You are pretty sure a priori [‘what else can it be’, ‘it is obvious’, etc] and are looking for evidence to support that view.
I’m not sure, and looking at the weak evidence does not help to make me more sure.
Or: your null-hypothesis is that the sun must be important somehow.
My null-hypothesis is that from what I know about this, the sun is but a bit-player.
I’m willing to have my null-hypothesis be proven wrong by strong evidence [haven’t seen any yet].
Are you willing to have yours be proven wrong [and by what specific evidence]?
“Are you willing to have yours be proven wrong [and by what specific evidence]?”
Yes indeed.
And on more than one previous occasion I have listed for you a number of real world events that would cause me problems if they were to happen.
Thus your shot is not only cheap but disingenuous.
A reminder (not exhaustive):
Stratospheric cooling resumes whilst the sun remains quiet.
Global cloudiness begins to decrease again whilst the sun remains quiet.
The jets become as zonal as they were in the late 20th century whilst the sun remains quiet.
We see a record positive AO whilst the sun remains quiet.
Can’t say fairer than that.
Would your null hypothesis be shown likely to be wrong if those things fail to happen ?
If not, why not ?
Stephen Wilde says:
May 5, 2012 at 9:05 am
Stratospheric cooling resumes whilst the sun remains quiet.
Global cloudiness begins to decrease again whilst the sun remains quiet.
The jets become as zonal as they were in the late 20th century whilst the sun remains quiet.
We see a record positive AO whilst the sun remains quiet.
Can’t say fairer than that.
Yes, you could, but of course you can’t. What is missing is numbers. How large a decrease against how quiet a sun, and how long do we wait before calling the shot, etc.
Would your null hypothesis be shown likely to be wrong if those things fail to happen ?
If not, why not ?
Without quantification we can’t make any judgments. Let me give you an example:
Many years ago [1977] I argued that there was a definite physical cause of geomagnetic activity, namely the solar wind [others argued the same] and that the physics was well enough understood that one could calculate geomagnetic activity accurately from observed parameters of the solar wind in real time and gave a formula for that. See page 7 of http://www.leif.org/research/Physics-based%20Long-term%20Geomagnetic%20Indices.pdf
On page 8 [left panel] I showed how well the formula derived from the physics [with, admittedly, an empirical calibration] represented the actual observed activity. That is compelling evidence. But, one could object that the formula is but a fit to existing data and that it may just be a lucky guess that would only work with hind casting and therefore does not strictly prove causality. The right panel shows [in color] how well the formula works with data taken 30 years later. It still works, and THAT shows that we understand this and that there is physical causality. What is compelling here is the numerical and quantitative match. Once we have something like that for the Sun-Weather-Climate connection exceeding the paltry 0.1K that I expect, my null-hypothesis will fail [and I’ll happily accept the connection, making my solar research much more valuable and vastly increasing my chances of funding].
Leif Svalgaard says:
May 5, 2012 at 9:26 am
Many years ago [1977] I argued that there was a definite physical cause of geomagnetic activity, namely the solar wind [others argued the same] and that the physics was well enough understood that one could calculate geomagnetic activity accurately from observed parameters of the solar wind in real time and gave a formula for that.
It is only since then that we are secure in our knowledge of the sun and its influence on geomagnetic activity. For the first 150 years of this journey scientists were in much the same situation as they are in today with sun-weather-climate: weak evidence, conflicting claims, general confusion, many silly and physically untenable hypotheses [planets, meteor streams, etc] abounded, etc. It is sobering to compare the historical developments of these two subjects. Without doubt in my mind, the problem will be resolved one way or the other in future, but we are not there yet.
“Once we have something like that for the Sun-Weather-Climate connection exceeding the paltry 0.1K that I expect, my null-hypothesis will fail ”
Shouldn’t be long then 🙂
In the meantime changes in the direction of trends is all we have in the absence of more precise quantification.
Stephen Wilde says:
May 5, 2012 at 11:46 pm
“Once we have something like that for the Sun-Weather-Climate connection exceeding the paltry 0.1K that I expect, my null-hypothesis will fail ”
Shouldn’t be long then 🙂
If history is any guide, I would say a hundred years….
In the meantime changes in the direction of trends is all we have in the absence of more precise quantification.
You don’t even have numbers for the trends.
To falsify a hypothesis, you first figure out how much [in numbers] to expect from the hypothesis, then you measure [in numbers] how much you actually got, then compare the two numbers. No numbers, no falsification.
Doh! I completely misused the “null hypothesis” term. What I call Miller’s two null hypotheses are just his two hypotheses, and what I call his “alternate hypotheses” are just the alternatives to his hypotheses. If I want to use the “null hypothesis” terminology, then the “alternative hypothesis” would refer to Miller’s own hypothesis, not to the alternatives to his hypothesis.
Miller’s own hypothesis is that volcanism caused the LIA. The null hypothesis to this “alternate hypothesis” is that volcanism did NOT cause the Little Ice Age. It is a statistical test to see if the observed correlation between volcanism and the LIA could be random, with the actual causes of the LIA lying elsewhere. Of course this null hypothesis is no-where near rejected. Miller is offering a possible explanation for a single episode (an anecdote). He’s not showing a whole string of cases where volcanism is correlated with an out-sized episode of global cooling, making mere coincidence unlikely.
Pretty silly of me to use the “null hypothesis” terminology without brushing up on its meaning. Not sure how I managed to mis-remember it. Maybe because the null hypothesis IS just another way of stating the researcher’s own hypothesis (in negative form). If I had just left out the word “null” then my ordinary-language uses of hypothesis and alternate hypothesis would have been sound, and if I still wanted to venture into a mention of the null-hypothesis, there actually WAS something interesting to say about it in this case: since Miller’s paper cannot begin to refute its null hypothesis, on what grounds does it merit publication?
Screwing around with the null hypothesis seems to be the new normal. Demand others prove you wrong, without allowing access to the data. Nice work if you can get it.
BTW, you do Jerry Pournelle a disservice by referring to him just as an SF writer, though that is where he ended up. Here’s some of his priors:
For a taste of his current output, check out jerrypournelle.com . I mostly stay away from it recently because it’s so fascinating and my sleep time is already below survival level.