Guest post by Alec Rawls
Miller et al. 2012 recently provided some pretty strong evidence for a solar driver of climate. “This is the first time anyone has clearly identified the specific onset of the cold times marking the start of the Little Ice Age,” said lead author Gifford Miller in January. And the dates?
LIA summer cold and ice growth began abruptly between 1275 and 1300 AD, followed by a substantial intensification 1430-1455 AD.
As you can see in the graphic above (from Usoskin 2003) these dates correspond pretty much with the midpoints of the Wolf and Spörer solar minima. (Usoskin 2007 centers Wolf at 1305 with a duration of 70 years and Spörer at 1470 with a duration of 160 years.)
Yet Miller never noted this coincidence. In fact, he tried to hide it, claiming that the onset of snow and ice growth coincided with periods of especially high volcanism (debunked both by Willis and by Wired), while dismissing the solar explanation with a misleading reference to the Maunder Minimum:
Our precisely dated records demonstrate that the expansion of ice caps after Medieval times was initiated by an abrupt and persistent snowline depression late in the 13th Century, and amplified in the mid 15th Century, coincident with episodes of repeated explosive volcanism centuries before the widely cited Maunder sunspot minimum (1645–1715 AD [Eddy, 1976]).
This is a remarkably blatant deception, acceded to by 13 co-authors plus the reviewers and editors at Geophysical Research Letters. It takes no expertise to know about the Wolf and Spörer minima. There is no physics involved, so who do these people think they are fooling?
Nobody. They just don’t think it is their job to make the case for what they regard as “the other side.” The anti-CO2 alarmists are behaving like lawyers in an adversarial legal proceeding, hiding what hurts their own case while overstating what can be fashioned in support. In the courts an adversarial system is able to elicit a measure of truth only because there is a judge to maintain rules of evidence and a hopefully unbiased jury examining the facts. These conditions do not obtain in science. The anti-CO2 alarmists are both the peer-review jury and the judge/editors, devolving into a pre-scientific ethic where acceptance is determined by power, not reason and evidence.
The lawyerly behavior of Miller et al. lead them to embrace a particular excuse for ignoring the evidence for a powerful solar driver of climate (even evidence that they themselves uncover). They don’t “need” it. But they were not the pioneers of this anti-scientific ploy. That dishonor goes to Gavin Schmidt.
Miller’s two null hypotheses, specific and general
The specific hypothesis of Miller’s paper is a feedback mechanism by which the cooling from volcanic episodes could get amplified into longer term cooling. It is “tested” via climate model. From Miller’s University of Colorado press release:
The models showed sustained cooling from volcanoes would have sent some of the expanding Arctic sea ice down along the eastern coast of Greenland until it eventually melted in the North Atlantic. Since sea ice contains almost no salt, when it melted the surface water became less dense, preventing it from mixing with deeper North Atlantic water. This weakened heat transport back to the Arctic and creating a self-sustaining feedback system on the sea ice long after the effects of the volcanic aerosols subsided.
But the real null hypothesis of the paper, the one that expresses the authors’ motivation, as revealed by blatant cover-up of their own evidence for a solar driver of climate, is more general. It appears in the last line of their abstract, which says that in order to explain the Little Ice Age, “large changes in solar irradiance are not required.”
The timings Miller found point like a neon sign to a solar explanation but he is determinedly oblivious to that evidence. He is only interested in whether there could be some other possible explanation, and as long as that null hypothesis is not absolutely falsified, he takes that as a rationale for ignoring the alternative hypothesis and the evidence for it.
What exactly is the alternative hypothesis? According to Miller’s wording, it is that the Little Ice Age was actually caused by “large changes in solar irradiance.” But nobody thinks that there have been large changes in solar irradiance. There is broad agreement that while solar magnetic activity fluctuates dramatically, solar irradiance remains almost constant. Irradiance shifts towards the UV when solar activity is high, but the change in Total Solar Irradiance is too small to bring about much decadal or century scale variation in climate.
In contrast, there is a great deal of evidence for a solar-magnetic driver of climate (second section here). This is the real alternate hypothesis, and there is at least one well developed theory for how it could occur: Henrik Svensmark’s GCR-cloud.
As a good adversarial lawyer, Miller is unwilling to betray any hint that this alternate hypothesis is even a possibility. Like Voldemart, it is the foe that “must not be named.” Thus Miller refers to the possible solar-magnetic driver of climate indirectly and incorrectly as “large changes in solar irradiance.”
Lawyerly advocacy is not science
In his role as an advocate, Miller’s fear is fully justified. A strong solar-magnetic effect on climate would be a death knell for anti-CO2 alarmism. Any late 20th century warming that can be attributed to that era’s continued high levels of solar activity reduces by the same amount the warming that can possibly be attributed to CO2, which in tern reduces the implied sensitivity of climate to CO2. Even worse, if solar-magnetic effects actually outweigh CO2 effects (my own surmise, by a wide margin) then the present danger is cooling, not warming, thanks to our now quiescent sun.
But lawyerly advocacy is not science. To only examine the evidence for non-solar explanations is to throw away information, violating the most basic scientific rationality, yet this is what the “consensus” has been doing for many years. My review of the first draft of the next IPCC report documents how “vast evidence for solar climate driver rates one oblique sentence in AR5.” AR4 listed Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) as the only solar effect on climate, as did the Third Assessment Report (scroll to TSI). “The Team” simply omits what they wish to avoid.
Miller plays this game from the get go, where his opening literature review assumes that the only solar effect is TSI:
Episodes of anomalously cold summers primarily are attributed to some combination of reductions in solar irradiance, especially the LIA Maunder sunspot minimum [Eddy, 1976], explosive volcanism, and changes in the internal modes of variability in the ocean–atmosphere system [Crowley, 2000; Wanner et al., 2011]. However, the natural radiative forcings are either weak or, in the case of explosive volcanism, shortlived [Robock, 2000], thus requiring substantial internal feedback.
Robock 2000 only addresses the volcanic issue, so Miller’s only grounds for calling solar forcing a “weak” effect is his own analysis, where he only looks at TSI (using the TSI reconstruction of Schmidt et al. 2011).
That’s a phony literature review. Miller’s repeated deceptions—hiding the Wolf and Spörer minima, referring to large solar effects as “large changes in solar irradiance” when there is no such hypothesis—can only be to hide the possible role of solar magnetic activity, but this actual object of Miller’s paper goes unmentioned in what is supposed to be a survey of the most relevant science. The literature review is a place where an adversarial approach is explicitly rejected by well established scientific standards, but the alarmists are not playing by the rules.
There is nothing wrong with Miller et al. testing their hypothesis that solar activity does not play a significant role (which they do by “setting solar radiation at a constant level in the climate models”). But when they pair this non-falsification of their pet theory with blatant misdirection about their own discovered evidence for the alternative hypothesis, that is bad. It is using the “not needed” claim as an implicit justification for the omitted variable fraud that the entire consensus is engaged in.
Gavin Schmidt is a pioneer of the “not needed” excuse for ignoring possible solar magnetic effects
Some history on this particular ploy, for anyone who is interested. Miller and his co-authors are not the first to pull the “not needed” gambit. Eleven years ago Shindell, Schmidt, Mann, Rind and Waple published a paper in Science that is remarkably similar to Miller 2012. Like Miller, Schmidt and his co-authors propose a North Atlantic mechanism for amplifying cooling effects, though the mechanism itself is quite different. The spectral shift that accompanies decreased solar activity is hypothesized to alter atmospheric ozone composition in a cooling direction, setting in motion atmospheric flows (“planet waves”) that in turn are hypothesized to drive the North Atlantic Oscillation. Their null hypothesis is the same as Miller’s: that they can account for the Little Ice Age without invoking any solar effects beyond the expected variations in solar irradiance, and their test is also the same: they run a model.
If the UV shift that goes with low solar activity can explain much of the Little Ice Age, couldn’t the UV shift from high solar activity explain a similar amount of 20th century warming? No say Shindell et al. Changes in atmospheric composition from the pre-industrial to the industrial period supposedly cause the effect of the UV shift to reverse (p. 2151):
Ozone’s reversal from a positive (preindustrial) to a negative feedback supports results showing that solar forcing has been a relatively minor contributor to late 20th-century surface warming (7, 19, 31).
Thus the CO2 explanation for recent warming is not undercut, enabling claims of future catastrophic warming to go forward. Of course Schmidt’s references “showing that solar forcing has been a relatively minor contributor to late 20th-century surface warming” only look at TSI, and his “ozone reversal” is not an empirical finding but a model result. They’ve got all the doors manned.
In 2005, this 2001 paper became the centerpiece of a public exchange between Gavin Schmidt and science fiction author Jerry Pournelle. Schmidt was vigorously insisting on the scientific integrity of himself and everyone he knew:
None, not one, of the climate scientists I meet at conferences or workshops or that I correspond with fit the stereotype you paint of catastrophists making up worries to gain grant money. Personally, I don’t think I’ve ever made a dramatic statement in papers, public speechs, grant applications or letters to the editor. Yet I still manage to keep my job and support a couple of graduate students. This is the same in every institution and university. … I do not go around being a doom sayer – but it is incumbent on scientists to explain to people what it is we think we understand, and what it is we don’t.
To explain the sober science that causes him to dismiss the solar-warming hypothesis, Schmidt invoked his 2001 paper with Shindell et al.. It shows that there is no “need” to bring in any suspicious “new physics” (Schmidt’s Voldmartian euphemism for the solar-magnetic hypothesis that must not be named):
I was a co-author of a paper in Science in 2001, that looked at whether climate models could replicate this pattern given the known physics of solar change. We found that two features were key, allowing the solar irradiance to vary more in the UV than in the visible (consistent with what is seen over the sunspot cycle), and allowing the ozone field to vary as a function of the UV and temperature in the stratosphere. With both of these effects, the model produced global cooling (as you would expect) but also a robust change to the circulation (a weakened NAO) that amplified the cooling in western Eurasia and over the mid-latitude continents. Obviously given the uncertainties in the forcing, the data that we were trying to match, and uncertainty in the model response, we can’t use this a proof that we got all of it right. However, in the absence of better data, there is no obvious need for ‘new’ or unknown physics to explain what was going on. This was just a first cut, and better models and more data are being brought to bear on the problem, so the conclusion may change in the future. As of now though, this is still the current state of thinking.
“New or unknown physics” is obviously a reference to to GCR-cloud, which Schmidt finds lacking as a theory. Fine, but that is no excuse for ignoring the ever growing mountain of evidence that there is some mechanism by which solar activity is having a much larger effect on climate than can be explained by changes in solar irradiance. I compile some of that evidence in the second section here. For the state of that evidence in 2001, the Third Assessment Report’s section 6.11.2.2 on “Cosmic rays and clouds” is well worth a look.
While AR4 and AR5 have progressively excised the evidence for solar activity as a powerful driver of global temperature, TAR actually began with several paragraphs of studies that found substantial correlations between solar activity and climate. Only then did it judge the proposed mechanisms that might account for these correlations to be too uncertain to include in their modeling.
That would be okay if they still took the discovered correlations into account in formulating their climate predictions, but of course they did not. This is the highly improper step that invalidates the IPCC’s entire enterprise. They are using theory (in particular, their dissatisfaction with Svensmark’s GCR-cloud theory) as an excuse to ignore the evidence that supports the theory, excising its known predictive power from their predictive scheme.
Evidence is supposed to trump theory, not vice versa. The IPCC is inverting the scientific method. It is literal, definitional, anti-science, and Schmidt’s “no need” excuse is simply another justification for doing the same thing. Since there is no need to invoke a strong solar driver of climate, he is going to ignore the evidence for a strong solar driver of climate, and this is what Schmidt holds up to Pournelle as an example of his integrity: the very point where he justifies the omitted variable fraud that is being perpetrated by himself and his cohorts. If only he were capable of embarrassment.
Who is actually doing a suspicious new kind of physics?
Schmidt looks askance at GCR-cloud as “new physics,” but it isn’t new in any fundamental sense. The cloud micro-physics that Svensmark, Kirkby and others are looking at is presumed to follow established particle physics models. It is a new application of current physics. What Schmidt is really suggesting with his jaundiced eye is that we should be reluctant to extrapolate our current understanding of physical principles to illuminate the biggest scientific controversy of the day.
At the same time, he and Miller and the rest of the alarmists have introduced something that really is new and problematic. They are using model runs to test their hypotheses. They are using theory to test theory, with no empirical test needed. Here Miller describes how he “tests” his theory about ocean feedbacks (page 3 of 5):
Climate modeling reveals one such possible feedback mechanism. Following Zhong et al. [2011], we tested whether abrupt LIA snowline depressions could be initiated by decadally paced explosive volcanism and maintained by subsequent sea-ice/ocean feedbacks. We completed a 550-year transient experiment (1150–1700 AD) using Community Climate System Model 3 [Collins et al., 2006] with interactive sea ice [Holland et al., 2006] at T42 x 1 resolution. Our transient simulation was branched off a 1000 AD control run, and forced solely by a reconstructed history of stratospheric volcanic aerosols and relatively weak solar irradiance changes (Figure 2b) [Gao et al., 2008].
Models are not reality, and in the above case the model is known to be wrong. Total solar effects are presumed to be “weak”? That is what the alarmists all assume but it is not what the empirical evidence says, and while they may be able to tweak their models enough to keep them from being strictly falsified by the LIA, the last decade of no significant warming has them stumped completely.
General Circulation Models are the most elaborate hypotheses ever concocted. They involve thousands of questionable steps, iterated thousands of times. To illustrate, the Shindell-Schmidt paper is good enough to provide us with a highly abridged description of the hypothetical steps that their model works through. It gives some idea of the volume and sweep of what they are theorizing (p. 2150). (If you are actually going to read this, brace yourself):
Our previous studies have demonstrated how external forcings can excite the AO/ NAO in the GISS GCM (22, 25). Briefly, the mechanism works as follows, using a shift toward the high-index AO/NAO as an example: (i) tropical and subtropical SSTs warm, leading to (ii) a warmer tropical and subtropical upper troposphere via moist convective processes. This results in (iii) an increased latitudinal temperature gradient at around 100 to 200 mbar, because these pressures are in the stratosphere at higher latitudes, and so do not feel the surface warming (26). The temperature gradient leads to (iv) enhanced lower stratospheric westerly winds, which (v) refract upward-propagating tropospheric planetary waves equatorward. This causes (vi) increased angular momentum transport to high latitudes and enhanced tropospheric westerlies, and the associated temperature and pressure changes corresponding to a high AO/NAO index. Observations support a planetary wave modulation of the AO/NAO (27, 28), and zonal wind and planetary wave propagation changes over recent decades are well reproduced in the model (22).
Reduced irradiance during the Maunder Minimum causes a shift toward the lowindex AO/NAO state via this same mechanism. During December to February, the surface in the tropics and subtropics cools by 0.4° to 0.5°C because of reduced incoming radiation and the upper stratospheric ozone increase. Cooling in the tropical and subtropical upper troposphere is even more pronounced (;0.8°C) because of cloud feedbacks, including an ;0.5% decrease in high cloud cover induced by ozone through surface effects. A similar response was seen in simulations with a finer resolution version of the GISS GCM (14). This cooling substantially reduces the latitudinal temperature gradient in the tropopause region, decreasing the zonal wind there at ;40°N. Planetary waves coming up from the surface at mid-latitudes, which are especially abundant during winter, are then deflected toward the equator less than before (equatorward Eliassen-Palm flux is reduced by 0.41 m2/s2, 12° to 35°N, 300 to 100 mbar average), instead propagating up into the stratosphere (increased vertical flux of 6.3 3 1024 m2/s2, 35° to 60°N, 100 to 5 mbar average) (29). This increases the wavedriven stratospheric residual circulation, which warms the polar lower stratosphere (up to 1°C), providing a positive feedback by further weakening the latitudinal temperature gradient. The wave propagation changes imply a reduction in northward angular momentum transport, hence a slowing down of the middle- and high-latitude westerlies and a shift toward the low AO/NAO index. Because the oceans are relatively warm during the winter owing to their large heat capacity, the diminished flow creates a cold-land/ warm-ocean surface pattern (Fig. 1).
That is a LOT of speculation. Normally it is all hidden. They just say, “we did a model run,” but this is what it actually means: ten thousand questionable steps iterated a hundred thousand times. It is fine for people to be working on these models and trying to make progress with them, but to use them to make claims about what is actually happening in the world is insane, and using them as an excuse for ignoring actual empirical evidence is worse than insane.
This really is a new kind of science, and not one that stands up to scrutiny. We are being asked to turn our world upside down on the strength of the most elaborate speculations in the history of mankind, yet Schmidt thinks it is cloud microphysics—traditional science!—that should be eschewed. All to justify the destruction of the modern world, now well underway.
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John: “Svensmark’s theory has nothing to do with our sun or it’s magnetic field. He talks about cosmic radiation from supernova. Not at all the same as the magnetic field of our sun.”
John, the cosmic radiation may come from supernova, but it is the fluctuation of the magnetic field of our sun that deflects the majority of that radiation around our solar system. So there are 2 ways to modulate the amount of cosmic radiation that reaches the earth. The first is by modulating the magnetic field that deflects the cosmic radiation, the second is by having the density of the cosmic radiation vary as our solar system revolves around our galaxy and moves through areas of higher and lower cosmic radiation. The correlations between both types of modulation and the temperature on earth is very good.
Funny. There is no “other side” in science. It is all science. If there is “another side”, it isn’t science-it is blatant distortion, hiding or skewing facts, or running away from the truth in support of some political, non-scientific ideology or agenda.
The GRL should be disenfranchised for their blatant disregard to the scientific method.
“Leif’s criticism of post 1946 sunspot numbers may well be correct, but it only cuts against the solar-warming hypothesis if one thinks that diurnal warming militates against seasonal warming.”
Take the analogy of a pot of water sitting on a stove. Let’s say that at first you turn the heat up to max and the water warms quickly. When the water reaches 75C you turn the heat to one half max. The water doesn’t begin to cool from that point, it continues to warm, only at a slower rate.
But that is not the only element that comes into play. After 1976 we went into a phase where the upward momentum was supplemented by an El Nino dominated period lasting up to 1998. When that period ended, so did the increased warming.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/ts.gif
I made the same points for Gavin a couple of years ago after he pointed out the lack of rise in solar cycles in the second half of the 20th century. He had no answer.
fujirider says:
April 29, 2012 at 10:49 am
Fine article, but no need to bash lawyers to disprove AGW. Even lawyers are obligated to inform the judge of known facts and law that are contrary to their case. AGW scientists apparently have not yet developed their own canon of ethics, or at least not one that we lawyers and you scientists would recognize as such.
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And, like scientists promoting AGW, they frequently don’t. Then when they get caught, they hire lawyers to go to court on their behalf and come up with the most insane of arguments to keep the facts from being disclosed. You know, the ones you just claimed you have an obligation to disclose?
Think Michael Mann and his emails.
Ford and the Pinto exploding gas tanks.
Cigaratte mfrs and “priviledged” science because it was done for them by the law firms instead of themselves.
Gimme a break. The legal profession is the formal application of avoidance, obfuscation, suppression of evidence, and misdirection. It goes hand in hand with the “science” of CAGW.
observa;
Strictly a Tablet man Pete… honest!
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History repeats itself. A few thousand years ago we wrote important things down on tablets and we’ve come full circle and gane back to tablets again.
Its a fairly standard part of critical review , the procedure peer review should follow , to consider what may have been left out and why . But like so many areas , such as the selection of statistical techniques for their ability to produce the ‘right results ‘, climate science appears to be ‘special’
An earth-centered solar system, along with the celestial spheres, accounts for the apparent movements of the planets. So for Schmidt et al, the heliocentric theory and gravity are not needed.
A couple of comments find my “anti-CO2 alarmists” label confusing. I have been thinking of this as an ideal way to refer to the anti-CO2 folks who are alarmist about it. It is much simpler than, for instance, “believers in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming,” but it does rely on the interpretation of they hyphen.
What would be the proper placement if one wanted to refer to the opposite camp, the people who are anti the CO2-alarmists? Maybe it is not as clear as I thought. Are many people having trouble with this usage, or just a few?
To all accidentally reading wikipedia blockwarts; in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_Minimum
you have already worked in the Shakun volcano conjecture but you missed the other minima. You still have to explain them away as well.
Alec Rawls says:
April 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm
“A couple of comments find my “anti-CO2 alarmists” label confusing. ”
Leave out the “anti”. The only people caring about CO2 are warmists, “CO2 alarmists” explains it perfectly.
ferd berple asks:
“Why is the Arctic warming while the Antarctic is not, as evidenced by ice extent?”
In addition to ice extent, ice thickness needs to be considered. There is thinning in the Antarctic as well as the Arctic.
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17803693
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/revealed-antarctic-ice-growing-not-shrinking/ argued that Antarctic ice was growing, not shrinking, but notice that it leads off with a graph of _areal extent_ and mentions thickness, at a single station, only once.
Richard B Woods;
In addition to ice extent, ice thickness needs to be considered. There is thinning in the Antarctic as well as the Arctic.
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Some places yes some places no. But extent trumps thickness anyway. For ice to form on salt water, all the water below the surface right to the bottom must first cool to the freezing point. A thin layer of ice represents a gigantic amount of water cooling.
Nice attempt at a misdirect though. Are you a lawyer?
The answer is skeptics or sceptics .
Alarmists and Skeptics. Balanced.
What’s the difference between a real scientists and a climate scientist?
A real scientist sees a problem and creates a solution.
A climate scientist sees a solution and creates a problem.
First, Gifford Miller et al. To ascribe the onset of Little Ice Age to volcanic cooling from four unidentified volcanoes within a fifty year period is abject nonsense. Within a sixty year period we too experienced four volcanic eruptions, namely Cerro Azul, Gunung Agung, El Chichon, and Mount Pinatubo while global temperature just kept on going up. Volcanic cooling simply does not exist as I have proved in my book “What Warming?” Read pages 17 to 21, and if you don’t have it, get it from Amazon. You will learn many marvelous things about climate you did not know. Whenever a volcano is said to have produced cooling it is not volcanic cooling but misidentification of a La Nina cooling because the eruptions occurred by chance at the time when that La Nina cooling had just started. When an erupttion occurs when a La Nina cooling has just bottomed out and an El Nino is beginning to build up that poor volcano is left without any cooling to call its own.This is because the entire temperature record we have is composed of ENSO oscillations whose peaks are spaced approximately five years apart in all instrumental records. They are not hard to find in HadCRUT3 and other similar curves. Those are the peaks some ignorant “climate” scientists call noise and attempt to wipe out with a running average. It is actually amazing that it has not occurred to these “scientists” to wonder why it is that temperature curves from all continents have the same “noise” that so annoys them. But that is just another sad story about lack of scholarship. Fact is, this paper is entirely wrong to ascribe major cooling to volcanoes that demonstrably cannot cool the troposphere.
Second, ferd berple has an excellent question: why is the Arctic warming while the Antarctic is not? The answer is that Arctic warming is caused by strong Atlantic Ocean currents carrying warm Gulf Stream water into the Arctic while Antarctic warming, such as it is, is caused by slow undermining of ice sheets by rising Antarctic bottom water. Arctic warming started suddenly at the turn of the twentieth century, paused in mid-century for thirty years, then resumed, and is still going strong.There was no corresponding increase of carbon dioxide in the air and that rules out greenhouse warming as a cause. Additionally on that point, you cannot turn greenhouse warming on and off as happened in the Arctic from 1940 to 1970. As you know IPCC has been showcasing Arctic warming as proof of AGW. They will have to stop that. I actually can’t think of any warming within the last 100 years that can be called an authentic case of greenhouse warming. To get the science, download this: http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/arno-arrak.pdf . As I pointed out several times before, Ferenc Miskolczi has shown that the enhanced greenhouse effect they use does not even exist.
Here’s a thought:
When those who believe in alarming global warming scenarios accuse the so called “deniers” of bad faith, we generally don’t like it much.
Similarly, as we accuse Dr Schmidt and others of “fraud” and other misconduct, we can expect that they will be similarly offended.
It seems to me that we would get further here is we concentrated on where we think Dr Schmidt and others have the science wrong, rather than speculating as to their motives. It is hard enough to nail down our own motives, without thinking we understand other people’s.
We can say “the other side started it”, but then they say the same thing and we finish up with “’tis too, ’tis not, …” and nobody learns anything.
Why can’t we set the example: discuss particular flaws in the science, propose falsifiable hypothesis and appropriate experiments/tests to prove our point of view. Try to engage with those we disagree with. If others sink to mud slinging, rise above and try to demonstrate how it *should* be done.
We might even get somewhere.
You never know.
Congratulations Alec, this is an excellent piece.
Dr Svalgaard asks @Is there a graph that shows corelations between temperatures at the two poles and rates of speed? Thanks.”
See my paper on my website Climate Change and the Earth’s Magnetic Poles, A Possible Connection
It seems the east-west movement correlates better than the north south movement
Adrian Kerton
Thanks for the link to your very unusual site. It was I who asked…wouldn’t want Dr Svalgaard implicated in what might be a basic question. It was in regard to a comment by Ferd Berple, who mentioned the magnetic North pole drift, whereupon Dr Svalgaard supplied two charts, each showing the North and South poles drifts respectively.
Went to your site and got promptly lost in going over your wild art…I love it; it’s strikingly similar to Native art and very different at the same time. Almost like automatic doodles, but far more refined, of course.
I read the Abstract of your article, which is as far as my science can take it, and it’s refreshingly unassuming, especially about the mechanism for the magnetic field possibly affecting climate. Have you considered submitting it here? This is something the folks here would be more qualified to comment on…me, I’ll stick to critiquing art! Unfortunately my own art site, linked to my name, is down now and will hopefully come up next week.
Well, back to your site again…it’s quite the mind-candy!
Alec Rawls says:
April 29, 2012 at 11:30 am
products of incoming particles too energetic to be affected by changes in the earth’s magnetism.
By the same token they are also too energetic to be affected by changes in the sun’s magnetism.
Alec Rawls says:
April 29, 2012 at 11:56 am
The argument for the temperature rise since the Little Ice Age having been caused by solar activity does not require that late 20th century solar activity was at “grand maximum” levels as Usoskin et al. claim. It only depends on solar activity having been “high,” which does not seem to be in dispute, even by Leif.
Solar activity in the last half of the 20th century was as “high” as in the last half of the 18th and the middle of the 19th.
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Leif says: “Solar activity in the last half of the 20th century was as “high” as in the last half of the 18th and the middle of the 19th.”
But it WAS “high” right? I’m saying that, according to the well established correlations between solar activity and climate, this 300 years of high solar activity (interrupted by the Dalton minimum and the turn of the 19th century lull) should cause warming, and if it had continued longer would have continued still longer to cause warming. If Leif disagrees, can he say why?
I know why Solanki and a bunch of others disagree. They claim that the rapid response of temperature to solar activity argues against a long term response, which is absurd. Has Leif got a better argument?
Alec Rawls says:
April 29, 2012 at 6:51 pm
should cause warming, and if it had continued longer would have continued still longer to cause warming. If Leif disagrees, can he say why?
Generally people consider the time constant of the oceans as far as influence on global temperatures to be of the order of 7 years.
If it takes three hundred years for the oceans to warm up, it also takes three hundred years for them to cool down, so the cold period 1400-1700 AD should be the response to low solar activity 300 years before that, in other words the climate should lag 300 behind solar activity. If so, the ‘obvious’ correlation goes away.
Leif also writes: “By the same token [ionizing GCR is] also too energetic to be affected by changes in the sun’s magnetism.”
Not quite. If I may quote Leif’s quote the other day from Svensmark’s recent paper:
“weakly influenced” here means weakly compared to the magnitude of GCR variation that comes from the presence or absence of nearby novae. But Svensmark obviously does not think it is too weak to have a significant effect on climate, and there is no prima facie reason to think that a 10% change in GCR effects is small rather than large compared to CO2 effects.
What percentage of clouds are due to GCR seeding? Svensmark’s and Kirkby’s experiments show that SOME is, but little is still known about the possible magnitude of the phenomenon. If it is large then a 10% variation could explain a lot.
Alec Rawls says:
April 29, 2012 at 11:30 am
“products of incoming particles too energetic to be affected by changes in the earth’s magnetism.”
Leif Svalgaard says:
April 29, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“By the same token they are also too energetic to be affected by changes in the sun’s magnetism.”
From Svensmark (2012)
Evidence of nearby supernovae affecting life on Earth
“The energetic GCR that ionize the lower atmosphere are only
weakly influenced by variations in the geomagnetic field or by solar
magnetic activity. Both cause low-altitude ionization rates to vary
by (≈10%) in the course of a magnetic reversal or during a solar
cycle. Over decades to millennia the GCR influx to the Solar System
scarcely changes. On longer time scales, changes in GCR very
much larger than those due to geomagnetic or solar activity occur
as a result of variations in the rate of nearby SNs [supernovae]. Since the the main
ionization in the Earth’s lower atmosphere is caused by 10-20 GeV
GCR, such energies will be implicitly assumed in the following.”