By Don J. Easterbrook, PhD.
In a paper “Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation”, Shakun et al.(Nature 2012) contend that rising temperature at the end of the last Pleistocene glaciation were preceded by increasing atmospheric CO2. In his usual masterful fashion, Willis Eschenbach has dug deeply into the data used in the paper and shredded the conclusions in it (see http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/06/a-reply-shakun-et-al-dr-munchausen-explains-science-by-proxy/
and http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/07/shakun-redux-master-tricksed-us-i-told-you-he-was-tricksy/#more-60932/. So rather than dwell on the things that Willis has already shown so well, I thought I’d take a look at some of the assumptions and misconceptions that paper is built upon.
When reading a paper like this, I always like to ask myself, what are the basic assumptions that underlie the methodology involved? What contentions are simply stated as fact or generated in a computer model, rather than demonstrated with real, physical evidence? I will confess here that I don’t believe computer models really prove anything. Sure, they can suggest many things and point out areas of interest, but I live the real world and prefer real physical evidence upon which to base important conclusions. That doesn’t mean I discount models out of hand—it simply means that I look for physical evidence to confirm or deny what the models are saying. So I asked myself a series of questions about the basic issues in this paper. Here are some of the questions that I came up with (the answers follow).
1. Can the Antarctic ice cores be dated with sufficient accuracy to establish a firm temperature chronology?
2. Are the 80 temperature proxies used in the paper sufficiently accurate to establish a solid global temperature chronology?
3. Can CO2 in the ice cores be measured with validity and accuracy?
4. Can the difference in the age of the trapped air and the age of the enclosing ice be determined and is it constant with age?
5. Are CO2 measurements from air bubbles valid or do diffusion and the uncertainty in the timing of isolation of air in bubbles render them invalid?
6. Is the data from Antarctic ice cores consistent with data from the Greenland ice cores?
7. Is the temperature chronology of the ice cores and global proxies consistent with the well-dated, global glacial record?
8. Is the so-called ‘see-saw’ of climate changes between hemispheres valid, i.e, are climate changes in the Northern Hemisphere out of phase with those in the Southern Hemisphere?
9. Would correlation between CO2 and temperature necessarily prove that CO2 causes climatic warming?
10. Since CO2 is incapable of causing climatic warming by itself (CO2 makes up only 0.038% of the atmosphere and accounts for only a few percent of the greenhouse gas effect), is there evidence of concomitant increase in water vapor (which causes more than 90% of the greenhouse gas effect)?
11. Is the AMOC the only viable causal mechanism? What about the influence of the Pacific Ocean, which covers about half the Earth’s surface
So, what is the main contention of this paper and what does it imply? The authors claim to have “compelling evidence that rising CO2 caused much of the global warming” at the end of the last ice age, roughly 11,000 to 25,000 years ago. According to the authors, “if you reconstruct temperatures on a global scale – and not just examine Antarctic temperatures – it becomes apparent that the CO2 change slightly preceded much of the global warming, and this means the global greenhouse effect had an important role in driving up global temperatures and bringing the planet out of the last Ice Age.” The crux of their contention is illustrated in their Figure 2.
Shakun et al. Figure 2. The Red line is Antarctic temperature curve based on ice cores; the yellow dots are CO2 measurements from ice cores; the blue line is composite global temperature from 80 proxies.
Willis has sliced and diced the data behind these curves so be sure to read his analyses. I’ll refer to some of his graphs and conclusions but look at the Shakun et al. contentions from a somewhat different angle. Because this is such a marked divergence from the widely held view that CO2 lagged rising temperatures at the end of the last ice age, careful scrutiny must be given to evidence and assumptions upon which this contention is based. Right off the bat, a most surprising conclusion in this paper is that the authors claim that correlation proves cause. Simply showing that CO2 correlates with anything surely doesn’t prove that CO2 was the cause. It’s the same kind of mindset involved with the oft-heard claim that if we have had global warming while CO2 was rising that proves the cause was the rise in CO2. Heck, I had hair before CO2 began to rise, but I don’t blame that on CO2.
So let’s look at each of questions posed above.
- How accurate is the dating of Antarctic ice cores? How can you date ice that has nothing in it that can be directly dated? The Shakun et al. paper states that they use the methodology of Lemieux-Dudon et al. (2010), which involves construction of a model using estimates of snow accumulation rates, temperature, firn densification rates, and ice flow rates, all of which vary from glacier to glacier and from glaciation to interglaciation (thus introducing large potential errors). The modeling data is then modified by matching with tephra horizons, sulfate spikes, δ18O, firn densification model results, and orbital tuning. All of the assumptions built into the modeling are cumulative, resulting in large possible age errors. As Lemieux-Dudon point out “One special feature of glaciological models is a large model error due to unresolved physics and errors on the forcing fields, clearly affecting the quality of the inferred dating scenarios.” What this means of course is that the age determinations of the Antarctic cores are, at best, educated guesses with large uncertainties. Because chronology is so critical to the Shakun et al. contention, the ages of the Antarctic cores shown in their Figure 2 cannot be considered accurate.
- Are the 80 temperature proxies used in the paper sufficiently accurate to establish a solid global temperature chronology? Willis Eschenbach has made a detailed analysis of the data used to construct the global temperature curve in Figure 2 of Shakun et al.(see this in his web posting) He plotted individual curves for each of the 80 temperature proxies used to create Figure 2 in the Shakun et al. paper. What he found was large variability in the data, which led him to conclude that “The variety in the shapes of these graphs is quite surprising Yes, they’re all vaguely alike, but that’s about all. The main curiosity about these, other than the wide variety of amounts of warming, is the different timing of the warming.” When he ploted all the individual proxies all together (see below), the scatter is readily apparent, leading him to conclude: “It’s clear that there is warming since the last ice age.” “But if you want to make the claim that CO2 precedes the warming? I fear that this set of proxies is perfectly useless for that. How on earth could you claim anything about the timing of the warming from this group of proxies? It’s all over the map.”
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Dr. Easterbrook requested this correction below saying:
As one of your readers pointed out, Willis used ‘Year’ for his time scale (meaning years BC, rather than years BP). I didn’t notice this (geologists always use years BP for events older than a few thousand years), so there really isn’t a discrepancy between the Shakun global curve and Willis’s data points. That graph and the text with it should be replaced with the attached file “dje response to Nature paper x.doc”) or it can just be removed from the posted version. That also means that the YD shown vertical time lines in the previous graph needs to be moved over 2000 yrs so we might as well just Willis’s graph (see attached file).
Sorry for the glitch–my fault–I should have caught it, but the thought never occurred to me that Willis would use 25,000 years BC. It doesn’t change any other of the other material.
Large scatter of individual data points on Willis’s plot from the 80 proxies used in the construction of the Shakun et al. temperature curve. I’ve added lines to show the age of Younger Dryas interval, which doesn’t correspond to the dip in the Shakun et al. temperature data.
Just for fun, I superimposed the curves on Shakun et al. figure 2 over Willis’s data point plot (see below). Because the global temperature curve (the blue curve) was presumably derived from the data in Willis’s plot, it should fit well with it. Interestingly, it doesn’t. I’ve shown with a blue arrow the dip in temperature that corresponds to the Younger Dryas and a black arrow pointing to what should be the same dip in temperature on the plot of individual data points. Other arrows point to similar differences for the end of the Younger Dryas. Now you would think that since the Shakun et al. blue curve was constructed from the individual data points shown on the graph, the two should surely be compatible! I’ve also shown on the graph the well-established age of the Younger Dryas—note that the Shakun et al. global temperature data points show a dip in temperature (presumably the Younger Dryas) that is considerably younger. Makes you wonder!
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3. Can CO2 in the ice cores be measured with validity and accuracy?
4. Can the difference in the age of the trapped air and the age of the enclosing ice be determined and is it constant with age?
5. Are CO2 measurements from air bubbles valid or do diffusion and the uncertainty in the timing of isolation of air in bubbles render them invalid?
Because these questions are all inter-related let’s consider them together. The validity of measurement of CO2 from bubbles in ice cores has been challenged in a number of studies. There are several basic problems: (1) air becomes trapped in ice during the conversion of snow to firn to ice. Air in the snow/firn phase remains in contact with surface air until it turns to ice and seals off air bubbles from further mixing with surface air. The depth at which sealing occurs varies considerably, depending on the rate of firn densification, and may extend to more than 100 meters and take a thousand years or more. This means that the age of air in a bubble is not the same as the age of the inclosing ice. Snow densification rates vary considerably between temperate and polar glaciers and between glacial and interglacial climates, making it difficult to measure and date adequately. In any case, rates are not likely to be constant. (2) a second problem results from possible diffusion along the walls of an air bubble, which can upset the CO2 concentration in the bubble. These and other problems mean that measurement of CO2 in ice cores is not straight forward—measurement of CO2 concentrations in ice bubbles and determination of the age of the air are likely to be quite variable. General trends are apparent in CO2 ice core measurements, but variability in CO2 concentrations and age remains problematic.
At this point, answering the remaining questions is quite obviously going to take some time, so they will be considered in Part 2, coming soon.
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Major9985,
“The paper explains its methods and the “event” took place over 10000 years, not a few centuries.”
In that case, there is no possible way to discern whether CO2 preceded the temperature changes or lagged them. And no one has explained the anti-correlation of the late Ordovician glaciation – a piece of evidence for falsification if ever there was.
suyts says:
April 9, 2012 at 7:11 am
….. And then there’s the question of how the CO2 spontaneously emerged to cause any warming.
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They left three things out….
They don’t say what their starting CO2 levels actually were, you have to get that from their graphs….that would be the first clue
They don’t consider how unstable the extremes are, either high or low, and they purposely picked an extreme for a starting point
..and most important, they left out the biology…
…and what happens when something becomes limiting
major9985 says:
April 9, 2012 at 5:18 am
As long as there is an overlap between increasing or decreasing temperature and CO2 levels, it is (near) impossible to determine which drives what to what extent.
Surely, increased temperatures causes more CO2 to escape from the oceans. Surely more CO2 will have some effect on temperature. The problem is how much.
The first is calculated as about 8 ppmv/°C in the Vostok and Dome C ice cores. That are ice cores in deep inland Antarctica at high altitude. The snow/firn/ice comes from precipitation reflecting the evaporation of about the whole SH oceans. There is an indirect measurement of NH temperatures by d18O in N2O, which reflects mainly the NH ice sheet buildup.
There is hardly any difference between CO2 in the NH or the SH, if averaged over a year, thus the ice core smoothing over 560-600 years for the long term ice cores gives the global CO2 average over the glacial/interglacial periods.
Now we have a period where the decline in temperature and CO2 don’t overlap, even if the timing of the CO2 lag may have some error: that is the end of the previous interglacial, the Eemian.
Temperature and CH4 levels were already at a minimum and ice sheet building already at a new maximum before CO2 levels started to drop. The subsequent drop of 40 ppmv CO2 had no discernable influence on temperature or ice sheet buildup. As CH4 and CO2 both are measured in the gas phase, the timing problem doesn’t play a role here. See:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/eemian.html
That points to a very low effect of CO2 on temperature…
We know that CO2 solubility is a function of temperature and that is why sea temperature determines the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere. That is not in dispute.
Why do those who perform climate studies first dispose of all scientific knowledge and principles?
I agree with Mike M (4/9, 2:59 am) that the most significant fact is being overlooked here. Why did the warming stop?
The Caillon et al study, Indermuhle et al, and others show prretty well that temp change preceeds CO2 change – whether increasing or decreasing. But time uncertainties are large and I still have major reservations that a gas bubble in ice is a representative sample of paleoatmosphere.
Nonetheless, the ice-core records show a characteristic saw-tooth pattern through 4 major glacial cycles – long-term cooling trends, rapid warming, and then onset of another prolonged cooling trend.
Cooling begins at the peak (both temp and CO2) of the interglacial period
Warming begins at the nadir (both temp and CO2) of the glacial period
CO2 simply cannot be driving temperature because, when the trend reverses, CO2’s purported forcing effect is going in exactly the wrong direction for the subsequent change.
P. Solar (April 9, 2012 at 12:38 am) points out contradiction:
” http://i44.tinypic.com/34gncox.jpg “
That’s the statistical paradox Piers Corbyn addressed here:
http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews12No20.pdf
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P. Solar (April 9, 2012 at 12:27 am) wrote:
“This seems to be another case of publish your results but spin AGW into the abstract to ensure publication and next years grant and so the media can continue to misinform the public.”
They say power has to be secured & maintained in order to be exercised. We live in a capitalist system. The math’s simple. Alarmists have secured and maintained financial power while nonalarmists cheaply take advantage of the free labor of severely overworked volunteers. The alarmists are very well-funded to work comfortably (in private) on natural variability because they have restrained themselves sufficiently administratively & politically to reach beyond the level of screaming protester. And (if they want to) they can read here to get free ideas on natural variability. That’s dominance, a quality found throughout nature. If there’s investment in nonalarmism, it’s going to the wrong people – i.e. people who aren’t qualified to supervise good volunteers. Classic example of the Peter Principle all the way around.
“”Managing upward” is the concept of a subordinate finding ways to subtly “manage” superiors in order to limit the damage that they end up doing.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
gnomish says:
April 8, 2012 at 8:55 pm (Edit)
maybe the co2 came out of the cold polar waters when it warmed rather than from the warmer equatorial ones that were already depleted?
once a soda is flat, it can’t fizz any more.
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But we are told that the warmer oceans, having been warmed by CO2, were now absorbing the extra CO2 so as to become less alkaline. ( There is no explanation as to why the ocean giving up CO2 shouldn’t become more alkaline ).
Perhaps I am being a little slow but it looks to me as though either CO2 warms the oceans causing them to give up further CO2 or the extra atmospheric CO2 being predicated is absorbed by the ocean which in the process becomes less alkaline. You really can’t have both.
What is the #1 GHG? Water vapor.
When Milankovich cycles caused some melting of the ice sheets, did that increase H2O in the atmosphere?
Did that cause the subsequent warming which outgassed CO2 from the oceans?
You’ve fallen into the old AGW fanatic trap by ignoring H2O.
CO2 is a just a marker. Not a cause.
FerdiEgb states that “even the thiniest waterlayer at the edge of the ice crystals is gone at -32°C.” The paper, “Reconstruction of past atmospheric CO2 concentrations by ice core analysis”, acknowledges that, due to impurities, liquid water can exist as low as -50 deg C. Diffusion of CO2 into this water, due to its far higher solubility than nitrogen and oxygen, will partially deplete the CO2 from trapped air bubbles. If the liquid water subsequently freezes, the excess CO2 will appear as very tiny trapped bubbles, far smaller than the size of the ice grains resulting from crushing the ice sample during the analysis process. Most of the CO2 in the tiny bubbles will not be released during the crushing process and the analysis will underestimate the CO2 content of the past atmosphere. Call it the “Don Ho” effect.
Spencer Weart, in his book “The discovery of Global Warming” mentions it took two decades to develop reliable methods of giving plausible results when analyzing ice cores and states “The trick was to clean an ice sample scrupulously, crush it in a vacuum, and quickly measure what came out”. I suppose “Quickly” gave the “Plausible” results they wanted to see.
The putative evidence that the present CO2 levels are higher than has ever been in the last 800,000 years is what convinced people that CO2 was something to worry about.
Latitude says:
April 9, 2012 at 7:27 am
suyts says:
April 9, 2012 at 7:11 am
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..and most important, they left out the biology…
…and what happens when something becomes limiting
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Heh, I thought about linking that, but I figured you’d be by. It’s a great explanation, which, leads to more questions. As real science should.
1. As others have mentioned, is the error in the YD time due to mixing two different time scales? It looks like the 1950 year difference between BP and BC/AD.
2. What wasn’t addressed in Shakun were the errors in dating the proxies. The large spread among the proxies implies a lot of error in dating.
Dr. Easterbrook mentions the error in dating the ice core proxies. As far as determining whether or not CO2 preceded or lagged temperature, ice core temperature vs. CO2 is self consistent whether or not the dates are wrong. That result is a lot more robust than comparing ice core CO2 to temperatures elsewhere.
3. As I asked in Willis’ thread, aren’t the O18 levels in the ice cores a measure of global temperature? What purpose is served by measuring local proxies without associated CO2 levels?
In Figure 2 is the CO2 PPM supposed to represent atmospheric CO2? I may be reading things incorrectly, but it would seem to me that greenhouse gases must be in the atmosphere, as opposed to buried under ice and snow, to be part of the greenhouse effect.
With a measure of 190 PPM for all of LGM and part of OD, would that not have been too low to sustain life?
Lester Via says:
April 9, 2012 at 8:01 am
Most of the CO2 in the tiny bubbles will not be released during the crushing process and the analysis will underestimate the CO2 content of the past atmosphere. Call it the “Don Ho” effect.
The method used to determine the isotopic ratios in ice core gases is by sublimating all ice under vacuum over a cryogenic trap and subsequent sublimating all ingredients step by step. That avoids any isotopic separation and traps almost alll CO2, wherever it might be hidden. This method gives the same overall CO2 level as the cold crushing method, but more accurate isotopic measurements.
See for more information, including the methods:
http://courses.washington.edu/proxies/GHG.pdf
Imputities are a main problem in Greenland ice cores where a mix of seasalt/carbonate and acidic dust from Icelandic volcanoes can produce CO2 in situ, but is less of interest in deep inland Antarctic ice cores, except during the deepest times of glacials, when far more dust is deposited. But even so, most of the hidden CO2 is recovered, as the measurements are either at sufficient vacuum to evaporate all surface water and elevated temperature (below freezing) by crushing or all ice is sublimated.
But indeed it did take a lot of time to make the methods as accurate as possible…
JustaMom says:
April 9, 2012 at 8:37 am
In Figure 2 is the CO2 PPM supposed to represent atmospheric CO2? I may be reading things incorrectly, but it would seem to me that greenhouse gases must be in the atmosphere, as opposed to buried under ice and snow, to be part of the greenhouse effect.
What is buried in the ice cores is only a tiny fraction of what resides in the atmosphere, but it represents near the same composition as in the atmosphere, be it averaged over 8-600 years, depending of the accumulation rate.
With a measure of 190 PPM for all of LGM and part of OD, would that not have been too low to sustain life?
Fortunately, at least for a part of the day, CO2 levels near the surface over land are average a lot higher than in the bulk of the atmosphere. While CO2 levels in the ice cores reflect the average (95%) of most of the atmosphere, CO2 near ground (5%) may be 40-50 ppmv higher.
My approach was different, I was more interested in how they accomplished the delayed warming. My full write-up is at my site.
The Nature article is a truly nasty piece of work.
http://theinconvenientskeptic.com/2012/04/flagrant-attempt-to-mislead-the-public-about-the-holocene-onset/
Thatguyoverthere says:
But we are told that the warmer oceans, having been warmed by CO2, were now absorbing the extra CO2 so as to become less alkaline. ( There is no explanation as to why the ocean giving up CO2 shouldn’t become more alkaline ).
In ancient times, CO2 was following temperature: indeed if seawater warms, it releases CO2 and becomes more alkaline. But that is limited: 1°C increase for the global ocean surface gives ~16 ppmv extra in the atmosphere when everything is again in dynamic equilibrium. But vegetation works in opposite way: warmer means less ice and more land occupied by plants, thus more sequestering of CO2. The global change as found in ice cores is ~8 ppmv/°C. Now humans have added a lot of extra CO2 above the temperature increase since the last ice age, or even since the Little Ice Age. We are now about 100 ppmv above what the ice cores say as the “normal” CO2 level for the current temperature. That means that some of that extra CO2 now is pushed into the oceans (and vegetation, causing more growth) and makes the seawater less alkaline…
DRG54 says: This, they suggest, led to a warming N-S ocean pulse that triggered SH ocean warming c.19 kyr, releasing significant CO2. It’s only after this, post c. 17 kyr, that ‘global’ temperatures start to rise, according to the graph.
Yeah right, so let’s recap. NH started warming -20ya, which … pulse…blah … warmed SH about -19ya, and ONLY AFTER this did “global” temperatures rise.
So at -19ya when SH is same and NH is hotter the world is globally warmer but it’s not global warming. (See you have to be clever to do climate 😉 )
AT -18ya both SH and NH are both already warmer but NH is cooling , so the Earth is already warmer globally but it’s not because of global warming.
At -17.5 ya, SH is well up and ramping higher; NH is cooler by about half what SH is warmer, so the world is already warmer but it’s not because of global warming.
Then the fact that the world is globally warmer after a couple of thousand years of NON global global warming going on the NON global warming has caused some CO2 out-gassing. This in turn causes one of them thar’ tippin points and woah !!
En fin GLOBALLY WARMER starts doing some for real IPCC zealot style warming.
We can tell it’s global, global warming because it’s cause by CO2.
Simple, even the idiot skeptics now have no leg left to stand on. They are finished. The science is settled. Hoorah!
FerdiEgb says:
April 9, 2012 at 8:44 am
“But indeed it did take a lot of time to make the methods as accurate as possible”
It has been my experience as a metrologist many years ago, that researchers often mistake good repeatability for good accuracy. Has anyone taken recently deposited firn, mechanically compressed it to form ice, aged it for a while, then analyzed the ice using the present ice core analysis techniques to see if the results agree with the present atmosphere?
Thank you, FerdiEgb.
If you have time I have some follow up….
In reply to my question you say, “What is buried in the ice cores is only a tiny fraction of what resides in the atmosphere”. That seems to confirm that the Figure 2 is intended to represent atmospheric CO2. The chart ends with CO2 levels at 260PPM, which also had me confused as CO2 levels are reported to be near 400 PPM…but you answer that next “CO2 levels near the surface over land are average a lot higher than in the bulk of the atmosphere. While CO2 levels in the ice cores reflect the average (95%) of most of the atmosphere, CO2 near ground (5%) may be 40-50 ppmv higher.”
The cart end with levels of 260PPM, far more than 40-50ppm below modern CO2 surface levels. Why would that be?
Also, wouldn’t a graph of the raw data of CO2 trapped in the ice core produce the same graphic? Why massage the data?
Also, the rise in CO2 seems to proceed temp rise by hundreds of years (figure 2), but we are currently supposed to be experiencing CO2 rise with near immediate consequences. Should we be looking for a reason for modern warming in some long past rise in CO2?
I found the answer to one of my questions…I mistakenly thought that Figure 2 ended in the modern age, but it actually ends in 4000BC….why leave out the most recent 6000 years?
JustaMom says:
April 9, 2012 at 10:06 am
I found the answer to one of my questions…I mistakenly thought that Figure 2 ended in the modern age, but it actually ends in 4000BC….why leave out the most recent 6000 years?
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/07/shakun-redux-master-tricksed-us-i-told-you-he-was-tricksy/
FerdiEgb says:
April 9, 2012 at 9:19 am
But vegetation works in opposite way: warmer means less ice and more land occupied by plants, thus more sequestering of CO2
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So, even though we are running a huge biological filter….things like bacteria, yeast, fungus etc have nothing to do with it
That’s nice to know……….
Since Co2 is now driving temps….anyone have any idea why it took temps over a thousand years to catch up? CO2 jumped up….but temps didn’t get the memo for a long time (blue line)
That sums up my thinking concisely.
Latent Heat. When ice is melting, temperature doesn’t rise. CO2 would be released though.
JustaMom says:
April 9, 2012 at 9:47 am
Also, the rise in CO2 seems to proceed temp rise by hundreds of years (figure 2), but we are currently supposed to be experiencing CO2 rise with near immediate consequences.
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bingo…