UPDATED: NEW TIMELINE FILES POSTED 2/29 3PM PST
There have been a number of different people working on timelines recently. Reader A. Scott has contributed a complete and highly detailed timeline of the Gleick Keystonian Caper aka Fakegate. It is presented here in entirety, both as a PDF file for easy viewing and emailing, and also as an Excel file for use as public resource tool. There’s also a timeline put together by Copner over at Lucia’s in this thread with his timeline document here. I present them both here for readers to evaluate and use. Note: since this is a complex document, reader input on any typos is welcome. – Anthony
Guest post by A. Scott
NOTES ON THE IMPETUS, EVENT, AND TIMELINE:
Dr. Peter Gleick has been mad at Heartland for years, but tweaked more so of late – fed up with Heartland, and with you (WUWT) and other “deniers”. He was appointed head of AGU’s Ethics board – something he has pontificated about, while never understanding his role, that he is one of more polarizing figures himself – and now feels he has “power” to push his agenda.
The NCSE opportunity comes about – they are starting a heavy “Climate Change” education push, and intend to go after classroom AGW advocacy. Gleick sees chance to kill a lot of birds with one stone to push AGW agenda, get support to teach it in schools, and to hurt you, WUWT, “deniers” in general AND his long running enemy – Heartland.
Setting aside Mosher and the “crowd-sourced peer to peer review” that identified him as a suspect, Gleick could not have received the Heartland package until after 1/16/12 when the Board Meeting documents were first prepared.
And in reality he could not have received before 1/29/12 – as the Board Directly was prepared 1/25/12 and the Meeting Minutes were prepared 1/29/12. Since they were all included in the package – he cannot have received the “pre-texted” document package before 1/30/12.
And as the Strategy document included information directly from the Board Meeting documents – the earliest it could have been created was 1/16/12. Considering Mosher’s fingering him based on style, punctuation etc., it seems highly likely the Strategy document was prepared by Gleick after his receipt of the Heartland documents.
Penn State ran a multi-part “Climate Ethics” series from Jan 5 thru Feb 10, 2012.
NCSE released their “Defending Climate Science in Classroom” campaign early January – with rollout 1/13/12 thru 1/20/12 with Gleick announced as high profile participant, and also featured prominently in their rollout.
At the same time – Jan 13 thru 27 – Gleick was trading emails with Heartlands Joe Bast communications director Jim Lakely, who had offered Gleick chance to debate James Taylor – to continue their feud in person at Heartland function. Gleick brought up Heartlands non-public donor list again 1/16 – a day before Heartlands Board meeting. On 1/27/12 Gleick finally turned Heartland down.
Gleick also has email exchange with Tamsin Edwards, because he dislikes her blog name questioning the “models”, which draws in Barry Woods, who has also had run ins with Gleick in past. Gleicks twitter comments, and emails, prompt David Appell, generally a warming advocate, to in early February, criticizing Gleick for essentially lying – telling him to “just tell the truth.”.
Barry Woods ends up in an extension of the email exchange between Gleick and Tamsin – posting the exchange online – and noting that Gleick complains about polarization, but fails to see that he is a big part of that issue.
Its easy to see the Gleick was becoming increasingly combative and agitated. In his 1/26/12 email to Woods he said he had:
“…ran out of patience with any chance of rational discussion with WUWT, Bishop Hill, or the regular tweeters and bloggers of that group. It became clear it was an unproductive time sink with a group whose minds were closed to fact, and whose primary tool was ad hominem attack. The systematic and coordinated and dishonest attack on me after my negative review of LaFramboise’s book was only one example that made it clear that rational debate was not possible and dissenting views not tolerated.
Within a few days of this exchange we know he pre-texted Heartland and received the documents, and the rest is history.
It is very interesting that DeSmog, Think Progress, Forbes and Huffington all come up involved with or commenting on Gleick during all this as well – especially regarding the NCSE “Defending Climate in Classroom” program.
Then there is the proof that DeSmog could not have only had the documents for an hour as they told Politico.
The timeline shows (and Mosher said he had other support confirming) that the documents were received about 9:15am PST. One of Littlemore’s documents has a Modified date at 9:59AM PST, meaning he had to have received before then, and then saved it. DeSmog posted the stories at 1:13 (Demelle) and 1:14pm EST (Littlemore) – which means they had documents at least 4 hours. It seems HIGHLY unlikely they both, along with Think Progress, all could have written the detailed stories that appeared if they only had docs for an hour … much more to investigate there I think.
METADATA
Here is basic metadata I compiled from various files. I compared the docs Littlemore uploaded, as they appear to be same as what is at ThinkProgress and Greg Laden.
The original files were uploaded by DeMelle in the first DeSmog Blog story – DeMelle’s files are the original “clean” versions … and appear to be “as received” posted unchanged.
Littlemore re-uploaded his own copy of the files to DeSmog’s servers and because they already existed with same filenames, a duplicate file was created – hence the (2), (3) etc appended to file names.
I don’t think there is any useful inference gained from review of Littlemore’s docs other than that it gives valuable insight into WHEN DeSmog got the documents.
Likewise, as they appear to be grabbed from Littlemore (note the file names match – they have the appended numbers) I don’t believe the Laden or ThinkProgress versions offer any real benefit – except, again, by looking at any modify dates in their files we can see when they received them as well.
The bottom line … ONE of the Littlemore files has a Modified Date of 9:59AM PST. Using all the evidence available (the DeSmog post times, tweets, Facebook posts etc) it appears DeSmog’s server or publishing platform is set to MST and in reality it is pretty certain they posted the stories at 1:13 and 1:14pm PST respectively for DeMelle’s and Littlemore’s versions.
If the “Insider email was sent at 12:13pm as claimed by Keith Kloor via David Appell’s blog, it cannot (as we now know to be true) have come direct from Heartland in the Central time zone – that would be 10:13am PST.
From all this we can confirm that DeSmog’s statements to Politico – that they had the documents for just an hour before posting the story – is completely false. In fact I believe we can see evidence at a clumsy attempt to fabricate evidence to support that Politico claim.
Since Littlemore’s save (Modified) date was 9:59am and they posted the story at a little after 1pm PST – we know the Politico claim must be false. We also can deduce, from the fact that ThinkProgress first posted the story at 3:10pm EST/12:10pm PST (or more likely, based on other evidence actually at 2:10pm EST/11:10am PST), the Insider email cannot have come from the PST time zone as 12:13PST would be 3:13 EST – AFTER the post time of the ThinkProgress story.
So where was the Insider email sent from?
In order for the known timing to work; the 9:59am PST “save” date from Littlemore at DeSmog, and the 3:10pm EST (or most likely 2:10pm EST) posting time for the ThinkProgress story … assuming the 12:13pm date offered by Kloor via Appell is accurate – the Insider email had to have been sent from the Eastern Standard time zone … 12:13pm EST is two hours prior to ThinkProgress’ earliest possible publication date, and would be 9:13am PST – which comports with the 9:59am PST “save” time by Littlemore.
The question is – who sent it – as Peter Gleick is based on the West Coast?
To find the answer you have to follow a little bird ….
Amused – you need to be careful to separate the DeSmog files – the DeMelle versions uploaded with the first story at 1:13pm PST and the Littlemore versions he re-uploaded with the 2nd story.
The Demelle versions are the same files as on ThinkProgress and the file modified dates are unchanged from the created dates. The Littlemore files (also again, at Laden’s) are the ones with the changed modified dates – to 2/14.
We can be thankful the Keystone cop team at DeSmog did do the two uploads – that Littlemore DID blunder and change the files …. if he hadn’t we would not know they had the files on or before 9:59am PST on 2/14.
Which shows conclusively that DeSmog wasn’t truthful with Politico when they said they had the files for only an hour before posing them.
I think its likely that DeSmog INTENTIONALLY re-saved the 2nd version of the files – they were all saved at 12:36-12:38pm PST with one at 12:55pm PST – they posted the stories at 1:13 and 1:14pm PST. This would show the Politico statement was true.
I think it was an deliberate, planned attempt at a deception to try and provide support for their alleged timeline.
They wanted the world to believe the Insider email was sent, he could say look at these files, we uploaded them when we got them.
Littlemore’s copies of documents posted have all been re-saved since creation date:
Littlemore Strategy DOC:
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DeSmog Strategy DOC:
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ThinkProgress Startegy DOC:
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All of the Littlemore DOCS compared:
Fundraising:
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xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-16T10:02:55-06:00
Agenda:
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xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-16T10:46:43-06:00
Littlemore Strategy DOC:
xmp:ModifyDate>2012-02-14T12:36:20-08:00 (2/14 – 12:36:20 PST)
xmp:CreateDate>2012-02-13T12:41:52-08:00
Board Directory:
xmp:ModifyDate>2012-02-14T12:36:51-08:00 (2/14 – 12:36:51 PST)
xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-25T15:04:36-06:00
Budget:
xmp:ModifyDate>2012-02-14T12:37:56-08:00 (2/14 – 12:37:56 PST)
xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-16T10:00:38-06:00
BINDER:
xmp:ModifyDate>2012-02-14T12:38:39-08:00 (2/14 – 12:38:39 PST)
xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-16T11:06:01-06:00
Board Meeting Package:
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xmp:CreateDate>2012-01-16T10:48:58-06:00
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Here are the documents illustrating the timeline:
(Note, as can happen with any complex document, just after publishing here, a small error was discovered in these files, where Heartland/Bast is referenced for email exchanges, it should be Heartland/Lakely) This error doesn’t affect the timeline itself. Mr. Scott is offline at the moment – so I’ll wait for him to provide an update. – Anthony)
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Duke – nice work – I’d looked at that as an option …
What’s the point of doing all of this research if law enforcement has no intention of enforcing the law? In a sane world, Gleick and his co-criminals would have been arrested long before now, but in an Obama/Holder world, up is down, wrong is right, and bad is good, and these fanatics will never be prosecuted.
Call me paranoid, but if I look at the timestamp of this it makes me wonder…
bravo!
warm up the tar and fetch the feathers!
don’t let this one get away, plz.
if he topples, the dominoes will be falling all around the world.
gleickshaltung on the chain gang would be perfect to cleanse the palate after a banquet of schadenfreude.
“[H]e said he had: ‘…ran out of patience with any chance of rational discussion with WUWT, Bishop Hill, or the regular tweeters and bloggers of that group.'”
Huh?
“[H]e said he ‘ran out of patience….'”, or “[H]e said he had run ‘out of patience….'” The past tense and past participle are not hard to figure out. The word “had” doesn’t work before “ran,” “rang,” “sang,” or “went.”
Steven Mosher, (and the rest) thanks … I know I missed a lot of Hat Tips – apologies to those I missed … collecting and indexing all that data is mostly a manual deal, lotta work – copy, paste, edit, sort etc … the time zones are really easy to get screwed up on so I base-lined everything to GMT and used formula to calculate the other zones – but it important to also reference the probably source timezone for verification. The next version of the sheet has some conditional formatting to identify the implied “source” time zone as much as possible as well.
52.Anton said:
February 29, 2012 at 5:22 am
“…What’s the point of doing all of this research if law enforcement has no intention of enforcing the law? In a sane world, Gleick and his co-criminals would have been arrested long before now, but in an Obama/Holder world, up is down, wrong is right, and bad is good, and these fanatics will never be prosecuted…”
And, in a sane world, anyone on the “other side” who confesses in public to the same crime now has a precident.
If the leaker/hacker that released the Climategate emails is ever identified, the Obama/Holder world will have a pretty hard time arguing which one was worse. But Gleik’s actions have already been tried in the court of public opinions – something that may be far worse than a fine or jail time.
Who’d want to hear his opinion on ANYTHING after this?
Gleick should have gone through Army Officer Candidate Skool: “I will not lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do”
An ounce of prevention . . . . .
http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2012/02/mann-on-heartlands-education-plan-so-amoral-it%E2%80%99s-almost-hard-to-put-into-words/
As someone who was a victim of leaked confidential documents, do you have any sympathy for the Heartland Institute, whose internal memos were leaked by Peter Gleick?
It’s funny, I do in a sense. But it’s only to a point. There has been some tendency to compare these two things and create a moral equivalency between the two, but I don’t think that equivalency actually exists. The leaked e-mails, we’ve now had nine different investigations, and they all came to the conclusion that there was no impropriety. This was a misrepresentation, taking people’s words out of context. There was no attempt to fudge data or hide evidence or any of these claims that have been made. In retrospect it really was a smear campaign that was used to discredit climate science.
On the other hand this really reinforces what we already sort of knew, that Heartland Institute was one of a number of these think tanks or front groups funded by industry or certain right-wing special interests to manufacture false controversy, to attack climate science and individual climate scientists. It reinforced what we already knew, but it also brought out some interesting details that to my knowledge Heartland has actually admitted to. That there was this program to indoctrinate K-9 school children with climate change denial propaganda. To me that is so pernicious, and I am genuinely horrified by it. I’m all too aware that those who will bear the brunt of our emissions today are going to be our children and grandchildren. They’re going to bear the costs of our cheap energy today. So there’s this effort to misinform the very people who will bear the greatest cost of climate change. To me that is so amoral it’s almost hard to put into words.
Anton says:
February 29, 2012 at 5:22 am
What’s the point of doing all of this research if law enforcement has no intention of enforcing the law? In a sane world, Gleick and his co-criminals would have been arrested long before now, but in an Obama/Holder world, up is down, wrong is right, and bad is good, and these fanatics will never be prosecuted.
Just like the investigative work, the demand for prosecutorial follow-up with the appropriate agencies and politicians can be crowdsourced as well….
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Some interesting developments ….
“Older Tweet results for @TP_Green are unavailable.”
“Older Tweet results for @DeSmogBlog are unavailable.”
“Older Tweet results for @RLittlemore are unavailable.”
“Older Tweet results for @climatebrad are unavailable.”
“Older Tweet results for @james_hoggan are unavailable.”
“Older Tweet results for joe romm are unavailable.”
The above accounts (and probably some others at Twitter) no longer offer any posts older than 2/22/12 ….
Can you say “running for the hills…”
I know you can. 😉
Revkin has also deleted posts, and I read the story about AGU deleting several posts and adding a new one. Its a veritable landslide and picking up steam.
Discuss.
Hmmmm …. now they seem to be working – that is weird – others worked, showed older tweets … yet all of them stopped at 2/22.
Mod’s feel free to delete above posts
Hey Nerd
Perhaps you might be bothered to read the REAL facts about Heartlands education initiative rather than the crap in the fake Strategy memo ginned up by poor Mr. Gleick and/or his cronies, when there was nothing incendiary in the real documents.
Heartland promotes teaching BOTH sides of the climate debate. That is called education – indoctrination is what the Geicks of the world want taught.
And while we’re at it – since you think what Heartland does is morally repugnant – how about you share with us how morally disgusted you are with places like DeeSmogBlog and the like – whose sole purpose is to literally attack those with a different opinion than theirs?
Or Nerd … how bout those wonderful folks at the NCSE? Their new program – that they’d just announced – with Gleick at the helm – was to teach global warming in the classroom. And only that.
An example – or visit any of the MANY links in the spreadsheet.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/02/so-whats-a-teacher-to-do/
Maybe I didn’t understood the timeline well but, was the fake memo scanned (2/13/12 8:41PM) a day before Gleick’s phishing (2/14/12 6:13PM)? In that case, how it is that the faked memo quotes some of the phished docs? I imagined Gleick got the docs, and then made up the fake memo, but the dates above contradict that.
Been up and working for many hours, so my logical routines are a bit strained. If I’m making a stupid mistake be compassive!
or how about getting gores propaganda film out of elementary schools?
or how about getting rid of television commercials with terrorist liberal teachers blowing up elementary school students for not agreeing with c02 thermageddon narrative?
i could go on, nerd, because that’s where a few of your agw billions have gone… polar bears falling out of skies, suicidal kangaroos – your crowd can’t get more stalinist.
Oldseadog said @ur momisugly February 29, 2012 at 2:34 am
Dunno, but it sure is sweet 😉
The Guardian is relaying the PR efforts by desmog:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/28/heartland-associate-climate-scepticism-ottawa-university
Funny because the report comes from a group named CASS that links to RealClimate, Skeptical science and of course… desmog.
Goldenberg Suzanne= Hoggan’s little helper
…. or even Gleickshaltung
sherlock says:
She could not. I asked why, and she simply said “Because there aren/t any.”
Hm – then how will you ever know it stopped?
The thought occurs that if the pro-CAGW ‘science’ truly held water, they wouldn’t need to indulge in this sort of name calling. As they do; to use a card players analogy, it indicates they’re bluffing on a very poor hand indeed.
I figured that a quick hash analysis would let you eliminate duplicate documents so that the metadata only need be analyzed once. To my surprise, files that should hash the same – do not.
The Desmog and TP faked memo hash the same:
MD5Hash~Filename
2DA8760ECF3B1D8F72B2EE5BCEF4DB6B~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\TP\2012-Climate-Strategy.pdf
2DA8760ECF3B1D8F72B2EE5BCEF4DB6B~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Desmog\2012 Climate Strategy.pdf
The Littlemore and Laden faked memo hash the same:
MD5Hash~Filename
5498AEA088E18F48E68D494E9F7CB47F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\2012 Climate Strategy (3).pdf
5498AEA088E18F48E68D494E9F7CB47F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\2012 Climate Strategy (3).pdf
But if they wanted to prove the provenance of all, they could not. Something is different between the Laden/Littlemore versions and the Desmog/TP versions. It’s the same with all the documents really. The Laden/Littlemore versions match each other and the Desmog/TP versions match each other. But they do not match between the sets.
MD5Hash~Filename
2624816FA5836F2C529D0A1DF808D133~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\Board Meeting Package January 17.pdf
2624816FA5836F2C529D0A1DF808D133~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\Board Meeting Package January 17.pdf
2DA8760ECF3B1D8F72B2EE5BCEF4DB6B~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\TP\2012-Climate-Strategy.pdf
2DA8760ECF3B1D8F72B2EE5BCEF4DB6B~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Desmog\2012 Climate Strategy.pdf
5498AEA088E18F48E68D494E9F7CB47F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\2012 Climate Strategy (3).pdf
5498AEA088E18F48E68D494E9F7CB47F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\2012 Climate Strategy (3).pdf
552805BE7680A53D3EE6F2A85BA854BE~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\(1-15-2012) 2012 Fundraising Plan.pdf
552805BE7680A53D3EE6F2A85BA854BE~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\(1-15-2012) 2012 Fundraising Plan.pdf
58B2A8AE466247242A516EACB1CC4FAB~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\2010_IRS_Form_990 (2).pdf
58B2A8AE466247242A516EACB1CC4FAB~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\2010_IRS_Form_990 (2).pdf
822C6D698455BBCFA699288D5854BCD0~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\TP\1-15-2012-2012-Heartland-Budget.pdf
822C6D698455BBCFA699288D5854BCD0~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Desmog\(1-15-2012) 2012 Heartland Budget.pdf
B65DBA59A99844E873C38FC77926ED8F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Desmog\(1-15-2012) 2012 Fundraising Plan_0.pdf
B65DBA59A99844E873C38FC77926ED8F~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\TP\1-15-2012-2012-Fundraising-Plan.pdf
B959ACBD9C012FF15E535ED8BF6B953E~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\Binder1 (2).pdf
B959ACBD9C012FF15E535ED8BF6B953E~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\Binder1 (2).pdf
DEBCD7F1D1A43153D57F370F993953CE~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\2 Agenda for January 17 Meeting.pdf
DEBCD7F1D1A43153D57F370F993953CE~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\2 Agenda for January 17 Meeting.pdf
E8576B491CA6A022905401975227ECFB~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Littlemore\(1-15-2012) 2012 Heartland Budget (2).pdf
E8576B491CA6A022905401975227ECFB~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Laden\(1-15-2012) 2012 Heartland Budget (2).pdf
ED5912A1E66D315646856BD5586E6B6E~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\TP\Binder1.pdf
ED5912A1E66D315646856BD5586E6B6E~C:\Work\Fakegate\Dox\Desmog\Binder1.pdf
Nerd,
So you can “indoctrinate” (i.e. teach) pupils with one side of an argument but not the other.
How then, when they are grown up, will they learn how to make their minds up about what car to buy, what Airline to use, what breakfast food to eat if they don’t have all the relevant facts?
Children are not stupid.
Give them all the facts and let them decide for themselves.
You obviously don’t believe that.
Or perhaps you suspect, deep down, that, really, you are, perhaps, mistaken.
I tried posting this earlier but it didn’t show up so I’ll try again:
Proof reading comment,
The timeline shows (and Mosher said he had other support confirming) that the documents were received about 9:15am PST. One of Littlemore’s documents has a Modified date at 9:59AM PST, meaning he had to have received before then, and then saved it. DeSmog posted the stories at 1:13 (Demelle) and 1:14pm EST (Littlemore) – which means they had documents at least 4 hours.
Which is inconsistent with:
The bottom line … ONE of the Littlemore files has a Modified Date of 9:59AM PST. Using all the evidence available (the DeSmog post times, tweets, Facebook posts etc) it appears DeSmog’s server or publishing platform is set to MST and in reality it is pretty certain they posted the stories at 1:13 and 1:14pm PST respectively for DeMelle’s and Littlemore’s versions.
One suggests one hour, the other 4 hours, from the statements made it would appear that the PST times are the ones that the author believes but it should be straightened out, not all readers here are necessarily familiar with US time zones.