Inconvenient questions will not be tolerated in Durban or other climate crisis conferences
Guest post by Kelvin Kemm
British Viscount Christopher Monckton of Brenchley parachuted with me into Durban, South Africa, to challenge UN climate crisis claims, attracting numerous journalists and onlookers. A 20-foot banner across our press conference table gave the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow further opportunities to present realistic perspectives on the science and economics of climate change.
CFACT played by the rules, obtained the necessary permits beforehand, and ensured that its message was heard throughout the seventeenth annual climate conference (COP-17). Greenpeace, on the other hand, got no permits before staging an Occupy Durban protest in the hallway outside the plenary session – and got kicked out of the conference.
Shortly thereafter, however, Lord Monckton and another CFACT representative were summarily (though temporarily) ejected from the Durban conference, for preposterous reasons that dramatize how thin-skinned and arrogant the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has become.
As a South African and delegate at the COP-17 conference, I witnessed more amazing and absurd exhibitions than one would find at a Believe It Or Not circus sideshow. Along with thousands of government delegates, scientists and journalists, we witnessed music and dance groups, Women for Climate Justice, the Alliance for Climate Protection, APEs (Artists Protect the Earth) and others pleading for “planetary salvation.”
It took a truly nimble mind, and abiding sense of humor, to appreciate their often competing messages. One large official poster proclaimed “More climate change means less water,” while the one next to it said “More climate change means more floods.”
A socialist group sloganeered “One planet living is the new aspiration.” I could only conclude that they were neo-Malthusians worried sick about speculative climate chaos and resource depletion – and promoting a roll-back of energy use and living standards, so that people can share “more equitably” in sustained poverty and misery, enforced by UN edicts.
Yet another group insisted that the world should “Stop talking and start planting.” However, this group and countless others oppose profits and private enterprises. They apparently haven’t yet realized that large paper and timber companies plant the most trees and create the largest new-growth forests, which breathe in the most carbon dioxide and breathe out the most oxygen.
These and similar organizations also demanded that profit-making companies give more money to environmentalist NGOs – which might temporarily make the companies less reprehensible and more eco-friendly. Of course, if the activists succeed in further obstructing the companies, they will plant fewer trees, remove less CO2, create fewer jobs and have less money to give to NGOs.
This parallel universe aspect of the Durban extravaganza was troublesome enough. Another aspect of the conference was much more sinister and worrisome. Which brings us back to Lord Monckton, a renowned debater and expert in IPCC and climate science, economics and politics.
One day he and I were meandering through the halls, as advisors to CFACT and its official delegation to the conference. We were accompanied by CFACT project organiser Josh Nadal, who was using his video camera to film anything he liked, to make a video of “what we did at COP-17.”
As we rounded a corner, we saw someone we didn’t know being interviewed for the in-house television information system that transmitted programs throughout the official venue. We were astounded by how biased and inaccurate his comments were. When atmospheric carbon dioxide levels rose, temperature also rose, he insisted – very simple. Of course, that is simply not true.
His interview over, he stepped off the dais and headed our way. I asked him whether he would agree that global temperatures had actually gone down during the early 1970s, even as CO2 levels continued to rise. He refused to acknowledge this universally accepted fact. I then mentioned the Medieval Warm Period of a thousand years ago. In response, he asserted that the MWP was merely a localized event of no consequence. Also simply not true.
At that point Monckton asked him to acknowledge that the science was nowhere nearly as clear cut as he had proclaimed. The official refused to do so, asserted “I have work to do,” and walked off.
Josh had been filming the entire exchange, but now an aide put a hand over the camera lens. When I remarked that just walking off was bad manners, the aide said “You are not worth debating.” I replied, “All he had to do was answer two simple questions.” I was amazed when the aide responded, “He is the Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organisation. He does not have to answer your questions.” The aide then walked off just as rudely as his boss had.
These unelected technocrats and bureaucrats want to decide the science and ordain the energy and economic policies that will determine our future livelihoods and living standards. And yet they are of the opinion that they can talk scientific nonsense and ignore anyone’s inconvenient questions. We had not known that he was Michel Jarraud, Secretary General of the WMO. But that is irrelevant. We were polite, and he should have been, as well. But it gets worse.
Two hours later, Lord Monckton and Josh were informed that they had violated ad hoc rules and were banned from further participation in the conference: Josh for filming without permission, Monckton for “unprofessional” conduct. Somehow I was spared. The next day, following negotiations between CFACT and UN officials, the two were reinstated.
A couple of days later, a TV interviewer asked IPCC Vice Chair Jean-Pascal van Ypersele whether there was now enough information to decide the next steps COP-17 should take. van Ypersele answered, “The body of knowledge was there already in the first [IPCC] report twenty years ago and was actually good enough to start the action which inspired the convention on climate change.”
The interviewer then asked if the science was well enough understood. “Not only is there enough science” the Vice Chair replied, “but that science has been there, available and explained by the IPCC, already from the first report.”
In other words, in the view of the IPCC, climate change science was settled even before the term “climate change” was coined – and all “research” and “findings,” reports and conferences since then have been window dressing – inconsequential. Even new evidence about cosmic ray effects on cloud cover, and thus on the amount of the sun’s heat reaching the earth, is irrelevant in the view of the IPCC and other UN agencies, and thus may be intentionally ignored.
The imperious attitudes and intolerance of dissenting opinions displayed by these officials further underscores the wholly unscientific and politicized nature of the IPCC process. Even in the face of Climategate 2009 and 2010, The Delinquent Teenager, Marc Morano’s A-Z Climate Reality Check and other revelations, the UN and IPCC fully intend to impose their views and agendas.
At this point, in the view of the IPCC, the only thing left is for first world countries to pay up and shut up – and poor countries to develop in the way and to the extent allowed by the United Nations.
Dr. Kelvin Kemm holds a PhD in nuclear physics, is currently CEO of Stratek and lives in Pretoria, South Africa. He also serves as a scientific advisor to the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org)
gerbil guys says, “Ideologies are resistant to change.” Some are. Some advocate change. Change in a most disagreeable manner.
Personally, I had faith that this world had seen enough of the global totalitarian socialist ideology. I’m sadden to see some still cling to a thought with such a short and murderous history.
Didn’t Lord Monckton get punched at one of these IPCC medicine shows a couple of years ago?
And can Lord Monckton arrange for his friend to receive a lordship? “Lord Kelvin” going after temperature loonies seems deliciously condign 🙂
We were accompanied by CFACT project organiser Josh Nadal, who was using his video camera to film anything he liked, to make a video of “what we did at COP-17.”
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Please post the videos to WUWT!
“… in the view of the IPCC, climate change science was settled even before the term “climate change” was coined”
Good point. If the science is settled, why do they keep changing the name? First, they called it “global warming” when they thought the planet would rapidly warm as CO2 increased. Then they called it “climate change” because the warming stopped and they wanted a less falsifiable term that could be applied to any change in the climate.
Now, many have argued for the term “global climate disruption”. The use of other terms makes it sound less dangerous than they would like it to sound. It is also less falsifiable because every year they can point to a disruptive weather event somewhere on the planet. (Never mind that similar weather events have happened regularly in the past.)
“Settled science” is becoming more and more malleable. But what never changes is the fact that “the cause” is more important than the science to those who have a vested interest in it.
Wayne,
There is nothing new in the views of the John Birch Society in 1993 or in today’s post in 2011.
This debate has nothing to do with science or influence of atmospheric composition on climate.
The John Birch Society expressed its views on the United Nations and climate science in 1993. Eighteen years later Kelvin Kemm’s guest post today accurately repeats those same views:
“. . . The interviewer then asked if the science was well enough understood. “Not only are there enough [lies]” the Vice Chair replied, “but [those lies] have been there, made up and disseminated by the IPCC, already from the first report.””
When are the MSM going to publicize those lies? Or could it be that the MSM are part of the problem?
“Pride comes before a fall”.
“Bad manners and ignorance usually go hand in hand”.
The former is a well known quotation, the latter is mine, but with regard to the IPCC both are true.
“Doug Proctor says:
December 19, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Isn’t the WMO/IPCC behaviour exactly the same as lambasted as General Bulmoose (i.e. General Motors) in the L’ll Abner cartoon: “What’s good for General Bulmoose is good for the U.S.A.!”
Charles Erwin Wilson actually said “because for years I thought what was good for the country was good for General Motors and vice versa.” This statement has been misquoted endlessly in the inverted form of “What’s good for General Motors is good for the country” as an example of the self-centered business attitude.”
Askgerbil Now: Well they had the foresight I lacked long ago. I guess I am. (btw: was joking, forgot happy face)
IPCC vice-chair van Ypersele had a debate with his colleague of the UCL (Universitè Catholique de Louvain), professor István Markó (chemistry) on January 27 early this year in Brussels. Before the debate started, the audience was asked to answer two questions: “is climate warming really happening?” And “If so, are mainly humans the cause?”. Both questions were answered affirmative by a large majority. After the debate, the same questions were asked: the majority changed completely to the opposite side. Since then, van Ypersele doesn’t debate with anyone remotely skeptic, even uses his power to prevent any open debate from skeptics as was the case for Fred Singer and Claes Johnson a few moths ago in Brussels. See:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/28/weekley-climate-and-energy-news-roundup/
The movie Doubt had a great scene where the priest at the confessional told a woman who had borne false witness (lied) was told to go home, take a down pillow on the roof and let the feather down out in the wind, then come back to the confessional the following week for her next task. The following week’s task? Go and gather up all of the feather down. It’s impossible! She exclaimed. The priest then sadly said: “Lies are like that down. Once they are released, you can never really get the lies back.
On the bright side, I think alot of good people have been releasing their own fluffy down: called the truth. Let the truth waft in the breeze and touch people with a light brush on the skin and a sense of joy. Let’s help set the next generation free from fear of the natural world.
It does get wearying to keep on repeating: “it was never about the science; it was always about the politics”, but I have this faint hope that if I keep on saying it often enough and loud enough I’ll get some folks who might make a difference to listen.
Climate change is a fact (always was, always will be); the extent of any anthropogenic input is a matter for debate, and likewise probably always will be; the catastrophic bit is a power grab by the green loonies — who unfortunately for the rest of us are neither as green as they make out or quite as loonie as we believe.
Even new evidence about cosmic ray effects on cloud cover, and thus on the amount of the sun’s heat reaching the earth,
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Kelvin, Assuming you are referring to the CLOUD experiment you are overstating it’s conclusions.
Precisely why Mr FOIA (if youre reading any of our pleas) needs to release the passphrase and let the truth be set forth, regardless of the consequences.
The whole socialist/warmist/greenist agenda (i cant tell which is which any longer) has gained such a head of steam that the only way to stop the train is to remove the tracks.
In my opinion we’ve been playing far too nicely for far too long with the results we see today.
Unlike the warmists, if their contention of AGW could be shown to be true then sceptical scientists ( the way science is supposed to be approached) would be able to confirm the agw supporters hypotheses and we’d all live happily ever after.
Thats not happened because its a fraudulent claim.
You dont refuse to give out your data for scrutiny.
You dont try and get counter views supressed.
You dont push for editors or other scientists to be excluded.
You dont politicise science.
You dont accept invitations from lobby groups holding and confirming your biases.
You dont lie to the public.
You dont make things up and hide declines, redefine what peer review literature is, conspire to subvert foia requests and work with a compliant media, admit to each other that the lack of warming is a travesty but fail to say it in public and you dont play hockey with falsified graphs using gigo models that dont take into consideration the effects of the entire ecosystem its supposed to be modelling……If you act in the manner alluded to above then you forfeit the title of “scientist”, you become a quack. A charlatan.
A tool of the politcal system, a stooge for the likes of greenpiece and all your good works of the past become tainted, and of highly questionable value.
Once again, Mr FOIA- press the big red button.
Next time, stick a large notice on the camera saying “£&%!?& Broadcasting Company” and “interview” him. Presumably he answered the questions when you watched him being interviewed so you can just be the next TV company in line.
And, Mark and two cats, there already is a Lord Kelvin, I’m afraid, so no chance there.
And he’s a nice guy.
These characters seem deserving of being nominated as stand-ins for the haughty naked emperor portrayed here in a cartoon I haven’t been able to locate since. It showed him from behind at an angle, with his head turned so one could see his sneering, full-of-himself face, walking in a very elaborate formal cakewalk manner, with four flunkies holding a rectangular sunshade over him, with IPCC embroidered on the side-panel of it. If anyone has it, please post it.
Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organisation, one Michel Jarraud.
Makes a change from the usual, PC appointees.
http://www.wmo.int/pages/about/sec/jarraud.html
Got an Assistant and a Deputy too.
No overmanning there.
Would it be useful to have a world-wide boycott of Chiquita bananas, to discourage other companies from listening to the warmist nonsense from Forest Ethics?
http://chiquitaconflict.com/
http://forestethics.org/
Astrology, clairvoyance, new age crystal gazing and now AGW. Isn’t it funny how all this stuff attracts the theatrically inclined who love to act out on the public stage. These “demonstrations”, sets, stands, songs etc. are reminiscent of kids playing while searching for the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
As the Eagles said “they wind up following the wrong gods home”.
Keith Battye says:
December 20, 2011 at 2:21 am
As the Eagles said “they wind up following the wrong gods home”.
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How true.
I wonder, is there a connection between WMO’s socialist behavior and propaganda and the fact that they still haven’t updated their statistical base line?
Fascinating account of the “circus” that has developed around the “true believers” in AGW… At the risk of boring some readers, I have myself posted a few thoughts on this on my own blog.
http://thegraymonksscriptorium.blogspot.com/2011/12/international-suicide.html
http://thegraymonksscriptorium.blogspot.com/2011/12/end-of-world-is-nigh.html
I hope that I am not breaking the site rules by including my links …
North Korea is in the news right now due to the Great Loss of the Greatest and Most Beloved Leader Kim Yong IL(L) Now Dead.
This Great Leader and His Immortal, Also Dead, Father Kim Il Sung managed to create the Greenest Country in the World, aka the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea . The North Koreans’ carbon footprint is the lowest in the world. Their GDP is the lowest in the world.
Correlation = Causation. QED.
I don’t know whether to worry or not. See all the “potholes” in the yellow plot here http://climate-change-theory.com/spectral-content.gif – they represent infra-red energy that’s been absorbed by these brilliantly named “greenhouse gases” we’ve been reading a bit about – including carbon dioxide. All that energy has been absorbed on its way from the Sun, so poor planet Earth never got to have quite as nice warm days as we could have if we had not “polluted” the atmosphere with all that “carbon” (black sooty) stuff.
Oh well, if it gets too cold one of these years I guess they can invest another 100 billion a year rebuilding the coal-fired electricity stations (which were demolished while carbon dioxide was warming the planet) so they can warm the world back up again to late 20th century temperatures because some upside-down hockey stick said it would work. Who said there weren’t cycles? Carbon dioxide warms for a while, then cools! Of course, we should have spotted such an obvious fact that has truly settled the science.
Kelvin Kemm, really well done, sir! Great read too. Any chance you can post back here with a link to the video when it becomes available? That should go viral. “UN bureaucrats acting like kings, try to block video camera!”. This, along with Monckton’s and your parachute drop are great ideas.
Oh my, how clever this troll is. ‘Quick, divert the discussion to [you-know-what-group], hehehe. Let’s associate the anti-UN people with some group that no-one likes, hehehe’. Stupid child.
This is why I would have snipped and banned him before his 2nd post. Gerbil boy pushed it right to the line of accusing WUWT of having a [you-know-what-group] guest poster. Which of course is preposterous. Alinsky-esque Goebbels-esque tactics. Smear thine enemy. You are a lowlife, gerbil boy, but you already know that since you hear it all the time.
Ironically, if only the [you-know-what-group] hated the United Nations, then the remaining 99.9% must love the UN. The reality of course is that a majority of the people cannot stand the UN. They despise the blue helmets, the arrogant bureaucrats, the criminals that enjoy diplomatic immunity, the dramatic waste of money, their stoooopid ideas, and the extravagant getaways that they indulge in every year. From traffic scofflaws in NYC to rape in far off lands, the UN is the worse possible implementation of diplomacy ever conceived. Only the politicians and career bureaucrats adore the UN. Everyone else, despises them.
Now since gerbil troll boy went and disparaged WUWT and the great guest poster, perhaps we need to suspend Godwin’s law now and associate the green movement and their liberal socialist sycophants with Hitler. After all he was just as creepy, culty, socialist and almost as green as these nitwits. Likewise with Bin Laden. Perhaps we should associate the (D) party (rightly) with the KKK. On second thought, I won’t lower myself to their impossibly low levels 😉
Can you imagine when trolls go to their psychiatrist? You know they do because it is a rite of passage for those of low self-esteem, and they need Lithium anyway. I feel sorry for their shrinks. Exploring the deep, dark, crevices of these minds has to be similar to the Roto-Rooter guy facing a turd filled toilet.