Inconvenient questions will not be tolerated in Durban or other climate crisis conferences
Guest post by Kelvin Kemm
British Viscount Christopher Monckton of Brenchley parachuted with me into Durban, South Africa, to challenge UN climate crisis claims, attracting numerous journalists and onlookers. A 20-foot banner across our press conference table gave the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow further opportunities to present realistic perspectives on the science and economics of climate change.
CFACT played by the rules, obtained the necessary permits beforehand, and ensured that its message was heard throughout the seventeenth annual climate conference (COP-17). Greenpeace, on the other hand, got no permits before staging an Occupy Durban protest in the hallway outside the plenary session – and got kicked out of the conference.
Shortly thereafter, however, Lord Monckton and another CFACT representative were summarily (though temporarily) ejected from the Durban conference, for preposterous reasons that dramatize how thin-skinned and arrogant the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has become.
As a South African and delegate at the COP-17 conference, I witnessed more amazing and absurd exhibitions than one would find at a Believe It Or Not circus sideshow. Along with thousands of government delegates, scientists and journalists, we witnessed music and dance groups, Women for Climate Justice, the Alliance for Climate Protection, APEs (Artists Protect the Earth) and others pleading for “planetary salvation.”
It took a truly nimble mind, and abiding sense of humor, to appreciate their often competing messages. One large official poster proclaimed “More climate change means less water,” while the one next to it said “More climate change means more floods.”
A socialist group sloganeered “One planet living is the new aspiration.” I could only conclude that they were neo-Malthusians worried sick about speculative climate chaos and resource depletion – and promoting a roll-back of energy use and living standards, so that people can share “more equitably” in sustained poverty and misery, enforced by UN edicts.
Yet another group insisted that the world should “Stop talking and start planting.” However, this group and countless others oppose profits and private enterprises. They apparently haven’t yet realized that large paper and timber companies plant the most trees and create the largest new-growth forests, which breathe in the most carbon dioxide and breathe out the most oxygen.
These and similar organizations also demanded that profit-making companies give more money to environmentalist NGOs – which might temporarily make the companies less reprehensible and more eco-friendly. Of course, if the activists succeed in further obstructing the companies, they will plant fewer trees, remove less CO2, create fewer jobs and have less money to give to NGOs.
This parallel universe aspect of the Durban extravaganza was troublesome enough. Another aspect of the conference was much more sinister and worrisome. Which brings us back to Lord Monckton, a renowned debater and expert in IPCC and climate science, economics and politics.
One day he and I were meandering through the halls, as advisors to CFACT and its official delegation to the conference. We were accompanied by CFACT project organiser Josh Nadal, who was using his video camera to film anything he liked, to make a video of “what we did at COP-17.”
As we rounded a corner, we saw someone we didn’t know being interviewed for the in-house television information system that transmitted programs throughout the official venue. We were astounded by how biased and inaccurate his comments were. When atmospheric carbon dioxide levels rose, temperature also rose, he insisted – very simple. Of course, that is simply not true.
His interview over, he stepped off the dais and headed our way. I asked him whether he would agree that global temperatures had actually gone down during the early 1970s, even as CO2 levels continued to rise. He refused to acknowledge this universally accepted fact. I then mentioned the Medieval Warm Period of a thousand years ago. In response, he asserted that the MWP was merely a localized event of no consequence. Also simply not true.
At that point Monckton asked him to acknowledge that the science was nowhere nearly as clear cut as he had proclaimed. The official refused to do so, asserted “I have work to do,” and walked off.
Josh had been filming the entire exchange, but now an aide put a hand over the camera lens. When I remarked that just walking off was bad manners, the aide said “You are not worth debating.” I replied, “All he had to do was answer two simple questions.” I was amazed when the aide responded, “He is the Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organisation. He does not have to answer your questions.” The aide then walked off just as rudely as his boss had.
These unelected technocrats and bureaucrats want to decide the science and ordain the energy and economic policies that will determine our future livelihoods and living standards. And yet they are of the opinion that they can talk scientific nonsense and ignore anyone’s inconvenient questions. We had not known that he was Michel Jarraud, Secretary General of the WMO. But that is irrelevant. We were polite, and he should have been, as well. But it gets worse.
Two hours later, Lord Monckton and Josh were informed that they had violated ad hoc rules and were banned from further participation in the conference: Josh for filming without permission, Monckton for “unprofessional” conduct. Somehow I was spared. The next day, following negotiations between CFACT and UN officials, the two were reinstated.
A couple of days later, a TV interviewer asked IPCC Vice Chair Jean-Pascal van Ypersele whether there was now enough information to decide the next steps COP-17 should take. van Ypersele answered, “The body of knowledge was there already in the first [IPCC] report twenty years ago and was actually good enough to start the action which inspired the convention on climate change.”
The interviewer then asked if the science was well enough understood. “Not only is there enough science” the Vice Chair replied, “but that science has been there, available and explained by the IPCC, already from the first report.”
In other words, in the view of the IPCC, climate change science was settled even before the term “climate change” was coined – and all “research” and “findings,” reports and conferences since then have been window dressing – inconsequential. Even new evidence about cosmic ray effects on cloud cover, and thus on the amount of the sun’s heat reaching the earth, is irrelevant in the view of the IPCC and other UN agencies, and thus may be intentionally ignored.
The imperious attitudes and intolerance of dissenting opinions displayed by these officials further underscores the wholly unscientific and politicized nature of the IPCC process. Even in the face of Climategate 2009 and 2010, The Delinquent Teenager, Marc Morano’s A-Z Climate Reality Check and other revelations, the UN and IPCC fully intend to impose their views and agendas.
At this point, in the view of the IPCC, the only thing left is for first world countries to pay up and shut up – and poor countries to develop in the way and to the extent allowed by the United Nations.
Dr. Kelvin Kemm holds a PhD in nuclear physics, is currently CEO of Stratek and lives in Pretoria, South Africa. He also serves as a scientific advisor to the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org)
Isn’t the WMO/IPCC behaviour exactly the same as lambasted as General Bulmoose (i.e. General Motors) in the L’ll Abner cartoon: “What’s good for General Bulmoose is good for the U.S.A.!”
Ah, nuclear physics, one of those fossil burning, CO2 producing….Uh, never mind.
Anthony, you need to post a couple of blogs on the Chiquita Banana boycott in Canada. We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!
Big Green has taken it one step too far when it supports a human rights abuser like Chiquita – the source of the term, Banana Republic.
JQP -Banana links? Don’t make me search what you already know- Anthony
“Birchers also preach that the United Nations wants socialism to rule the world and that global warming caused by pollution is a hoax foisted on gullible Americans to gain control over their land and businesses.” Los Angeles Times, 27 September 1993. http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-27/local/me-39546_1_john-birch-society
Ideologies are resistant to change.
gerbil,
Thanx for posting that 1993 link to the John Birch society. I never knew much about them, except that they were named for the first U.S. soldier killed in the Korean war, IIRC.
But I have a hard time disputing anything in this quote:
“Our contention has been for years that the greatest threat to America wasn’t Moscow, it was Washington, D. C.,” said John (Jack) McManus, president of the society nationwide. “The growth of government power leading to total government power is what Americans should be concerned about.”
The ones who are putting down the JBS are all “academics”. Maybe we should listen to the pointy headed academics instead, huh?
Speaking as a non-us citizen who wants to see and end to such nonsense. I say this.
The only language that sort of “expert” will ever understand is for the IPCC to be sacked i.e. defunded. Probably the last hope for that, is by way of United States politicians sending that blunt message with the thankful backing of American voters.
Let the rest of the world posture, make speeches and pass wind, as that is all they will do without American taxpayers money lining their pockets.
After 12 months of defunding the UN should be that far in debt financing their own slop trough and then reality might set in that the eternal party on someone else’s funds is over…full stop!!
Time to stand up to these petty undemocratic would be dictators.
CFACT’s deus ex machina intervention was brilliant. It altered the plot and saved us from the COPs.
I came across a fascinating early weather tome of some 802 pages here-
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf
It is a pdf file of some 12Mb and has gathered together a very comprehensive chronology of early global weather events from 0AD to 1900AD and that is no mean feat, albeit it relies on only documented reports and that will naturally restrict their domain.
With Hurricane Katrina fresh in the annals of every comfy climate catastrophist, I found the special report of Dr Isaac M Cline (page 790and subsequent) of the 1900 Galveston Hurricane to be a poignant reminder of the stoicism and matter of factness of so many of our forebears to nature’s trials and tribulations. Very much a bread and butter scientific report under terrible circumstances Mr Cline and perhaps worthy of a separate posting here at WUWT to remind us all of more stoic and less hysterical times.
Exactly. The IPCC was never an organization for scientific research. The science was just window dressing and ex post facto rationale for what has become known as the Watermelon political agenda—but which at the time was just plain old Eastern-Bloc socialism, dressing up in new clothes.
It’s time for real scientists to realize that to participate in the activities of this faux-science organization is to lend support to an enterprise that is, at bottom, anti-science, and anti-democratic.
/Mr Lynn
Anthony, I don’t know what footage/audio exactly they have here, but it sounds like it could really crystallize the Warmist stance in a really bad way. A documentary with this as its backbone, with interview with Ms. Framboise etc, might well be effective — and advance the ball……………
Well that confirms officially it! There have been no improvements made in the models in the last 20 years.
Is there any other field of science that has gone that long without new discoveries or theories proposed or discarded?
Ypersele should know that the first IPCC report stated, page xxix: “We do not know what the detailed signal (of human influence) looks like because we have limited confidence in our predictions of climate change patterns”.
Indeed my dear Jean-Claude, you do and we’ll agree with you!
Next time, at least read your own reports!
Thanks, Kelvin, for sharing your insights and experiences from inside the “lion’s den”. I really admire the way you guys manage to keep your cool surrounded by such [self snip]. I doubt I could do it.
Possible edit: “Climategate 2009 and 2010”, shouldn’t that be 2009 and 2011?
As to the Banana thingy, here are a couple of news items links:
Oil sands embroiled in banana wars
http://www.financialpost.com/news/sands+embroiled+banana+wars/5871585/story.html
Oil sands lobby fires back at Chiquita
http://www.financialpost.com/news/sands+lobby+fires+back+Chiquita/5875844/story.html
However, it is my opinion, that since it is currently impossible to separate out fuel from non oilsands fuel, and if it ever becomes possible, it will take years, and by then this Global Warming Scam will be over for the most part because the earths temperature will not co-operate with the AGW theory.
Under the concept of “Sustainable Development” the onus would now be upon local governments to PROVE that CO2 emissions CAN NOT cause climate change if they want to make policy decisions that do not abide by the UNFCCC policy guidelines.
We are signed up to that treaty. We agreed to abide by it. The “Uncertainly Principle” says in that treaty that to make a decision not to implement CO2 mitigation regulations requires us to PROVE that CO2 can’t harm the environment.
Well, it is impossible to prove a negative. But we signed up to a treaty that requires us to do just that. You can only prove what HAS happened or what IS happening, you can not prove that something ISN’T happening. You can only show you have found no evidence of it. Finding no evidence does not mean the evidence doesn’t exist.
But this “reversal of the onus of proof” is impossible. It is absolutely, positively, physically impossible to PROVE that something is harmless.
We first need to remove ourselves from the Sustainable Development treaty before we can do anything at all.
AskGerbil: “Birchers also preach that the United Nations wants socialism to rule the world and that global warming caused by pollution is a hoax foisted on gullible Americans to gain control over their land and businesses.”
That’s a new one, and I agree with both of those two points. Good points.
So GirbilNow, to you, does that now make me a John Birch sympathizer?
At 8:44 PM on 19 December, Mr Lynn had observed:
Well, certainly the “science” (hold yer gorge, now!) has never been more than a seeming to sucker the yokels. Why d’you think it was in the utterly garbage Peace Prize category that los warmistas got their Nobel in 2007?
Kelvin Kemm
Most enlightening. Thank you.
I could not so so calm as you. Well done.
Clive
Cutting the UN’s funding isn’t enough: we tried that in the ’70s.
The US needs to pull out of the UN, and kick the UN out of the US.
Most of the other good reasons to do this are off-topic in this forum (such as the war on drugs and gun bans, for starters).
Remember that the UN is not at all democratic, not even to the extent the EU is. It is a club run by and for nasty dictators. Naturally they are out to ruin the rich countries, and all the actions of the General Assembly reflect this.
Look at the source of this banana link
http://planetsave.com/2011/12/18/chiquita-dropping-tar-sands/
The very first comment re the artice, “I will no longer purchase their bananas” says it all.
How an earth can an expert corporation make such a claim that they will not purchase fuels sourced from oil sands. Its impossible to verify. Buy petrol from Shell, you think. But who made it, where did it come from, No way to know.
The double whammy for me is that this is simple cynicism from the Company. They know that the statement/pledge is impossible to verifybut its a free statement, no real cost to them but it boosts their image.
Plus it begs the question, that if they are so “ethical” why do they use oil from less pleasant places or money from bankers that have defrauded the court on record and so on.
Rank bad science, rank bad business and rank bad ethics.
“He is the Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organisation. He does not have to answer your questions.”
Nice line. I expect it will see a lot more use when FOIA releases the code for the further 200,000 emails.
Actually ‘hoax’ is a humerous deception, like Piltdown Man,
whereas CAGW falls squarely in the category of ‘fraud’,
particularly by such as those UN flaks mentioned above.
Because the Scam is already a generation old,
there will never be an admission it is over,
never any letup on the statist power-grabs, the tax-hunger,
or the obsessive compulsion to impose nanny-state restrictions.
Not even if every glacier in the world grows and sea-level drops 2 feet.
No matter if thosands freeze to death every winter.
The Lie is Forever.
Actually, a ‘hoax’ is a deceptive prank not meant to endure.
CAGW falls in the category of ‘fraud’,
at least when we’re looking at such as those UN flaks,
and a decidedly malicious fraud at that.
Because it has been on-going for over a generation,
there is no way the Scam will ever be given up,
no matter if thousands freeze to death every winter,
every glacier in the world grows long,
and sea level drops two feet.
The Lie is Forever.
From the South Pacific. Some of the answers to the conundrum posed by the IPCC attitude are contained in Bob Tisdale’s latest post. By the way could one your correspondents guide me to Bob’s CV? Happy Xmas from Downunder where instead of skiing at Xmas we go surfing; its OK we’re used to it. Thommo
The Secretary General of the WMO doesn’t know, or won’t acknowledge that the temp relationship with CO2 isn’t linear? Beautiful. Thanks Dr. Kemm!