Last minute Durban deal reached – extends life of Kyoto protocol

Kyoto has become a zombie, coming to life after being dead…

Excerpts from Yahoo News

(AP) — A U.N. climate conference reached a hard-fought agreement Sunday on a complex and far-reaching program meant to set a new course for the global fight against climate change for the coming decades.

The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a new accord that would put all countries under the same legal regime enforcing commitments to control greenhouse gases. It would take effect by 2020 at the latest.

The deal also set up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars a year for poor countries. Other documents in the package lay out rules for monitoring and verifying emissions reductions, protecting forests, transferring clean technologies to developing countries and scores of technical issues.

Currently, only industrial countries have legally binding emissions targets under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. Those commitments expire next year, but they will be extended for another five years under the accord adopted Sunday — a key demand by developing countries seeking to preserve the only existing treaty regulating carbon emissions.

“This is a very significant package. None of us likes everything in it. Believe me, there is plenty the United States is not thrilled about,” said U.S. climate envoy Todd Stern. But the package captured important advances that would be undone if it is rejected, he told the delegates.

The deal’s language left some analysts warning that the wording left huge loopholes for countries to avoid tying their emissions to legal constraints, and noted that there was no mention of penalties. “They haven’t reached a real deal,” said Samantha Smith, of WWF International. “They watered things down so everyone could get on board.”

The package gave new life to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, whose carbon emissions targets expire next year and apply only to industrial countries. A separate document obliges major developing nations like China and India, excluded under Kyoto, to accept legally binding emissions targets in the future.

Together, the two documents overhaul a system designed 20 years ago that divide the world into a handful of wealthy countries facing legal obligations to reduce emissions, and the rest of the world which could undertake voluntary efforts to control carbon.

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Blade
December 13, 2011 6:38 am

Gail Combs [December 12, 2011 at 11:21 am] says:
“Just as a reminder.
A Constitutional Convention allows the ENTIRE Constitution to be completely rewritten. It is NOT something we want to leave open to those who wish to nullify the US sovereignty. All it takes is rewording so a Treaty TRUMPS the Constitution, the Idea the Dulles boys have been promoting for years.”

Well the limits to the scope a Constitutional Convention have always been undefined. We cannot absolutely say as you did that it is unlimited (“allows the ENTIRE Constitution to be completely rewritten“) and I doubt that is what Madison would have agreed to. Personally I think the governor of the hosting state should just use armed guards to keep the liberals out (think outside the box 😉
The point is that the FedGov will need radical liposuction and reduction of its acquired powers or else there will be another civil war. Our mangled system is so far beyond what the revolutionaries fought against (est 3% to 10% max taxes), by orders of magnitude in every possible direction. Since the States are the victims in this altered balance of power they must be considered in the coming changes. The Constitutional Convention is the only non-violent avenue available to the states at all (as even the Senators have been co-opted by the 17th). And it is certainly a better choice than war itself (although more people are prepared then ever before).
You want to know what the real danger to consider is? Well it is not a Constitutional Convention with new Amendments, especially considering the Constitution is De Facto amended or ignored repeatedly by modern hack politicians. The danger lies in pure mathematics. One equation describes the ratio of givers to takers and once it is 50.1% takers, the Republic becomes a democracy and is over anyway. The number of takers is certainly now in the high 40’s. Naturally a Republic shouldn’t have this Democratic problem of mob rule, but here we are nonetheless.
No, the real absolute danger, the point of no return and the final destination if you will lies in the other mathematical equation. When you cannot get 38 states to exercise their right and authority to pass an Amendment throttling FedGov (e.g., terms limits, repeal the 16th …), then the worst nightmare of the Founders is realized. The magic number here is just 12. Are there 12 hardcore liberal states that will thwart the effort to reduce Fedzilla? It is now too damn close to call. In other words, if another state or two flips solid leftist, there will be no more states. So for the hypothetical Convention, if not now it will certainly be never, well that is unless it occurs from the other direction entirely with 38 of the states turning hardcore liberal and then you better believe the Amendments will come fast and furious from Congress for rubber stamping from these statehouses. That last scenario would be critical mass to neutron fission and national detonation.
So to sum up the current arithmetic, mathematically the prospects of a radical leftist Amendment making it through 38 states is still unlikely, but the prospects of an originalist pro-American Amendment making it is too close to call. If we kick the can further down the road it may be ultimately impossible. The Constitutional Convention simply ceases to be a vehicle of any use to save the republic. Skip straight to ‘Watering the Tree of Liberty’.
We have to face the sobering mathematics here, we (actually our immediate descendants) will certainly lose this war from attrition. All the Statists need do is continue importing illegal aliens in (their population here is somewhere between the population of Australia and Canada!), and the math will surely follow. That will be our legacy to our descendants.

marc the frog
December 15, 2011 7:36 am

As we say in France or in Canada
“Un nouveau pas encore en avant dans la Connerie” .A new foot step forward again in the stupidity.
If Australia and Canada are finishing with the Protocol, what is left for us to do.
Frightening

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