Last minute Durban deal reached – extends life of Kyoto protocol

Kyoto has become a zombie, coming to life after being dead…

Excerpts from Yahoo News

(AP) — A U.N. climate conference reached a hard-fought agreement Sunday on a complex and far-reaching program meant to set a new course for the global fight against climate change for the coming decades.

The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a new accord that would put all countries under the same legal regime enforcing commitments to control greenhouse gases. It would take effect by 2020 at the latest.

The deal also set up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars a year for poor countries. Other documents in the package lay out rules for monitoring and verifying emissions reductions, protecting forests, transferring clean technologies to developing countries and scores of technical issues.

Currently, only industrial countries have legally binding emissions targets under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. Those commitments expire next year, but they will be extended for another five years under the accord adopted Sunday — a key demand by developing countries seeking to preserve the only existing treaty regulating carbon emissions.

“This is a very significant package. None of us likes everything in it. Believe me, there is plenty the United States is not thrilled about,” said U.S. climate envoy Todd Stern. But the package captured important advances that would be undone if it is rejected, he told the delegates.

The deal’s language left some analysts warning that the wording left huge loopholes for countries to avoid tying their emissions to legal constraints, and noted that there was no mention of penalties. “They haven’t reached a real deal,” said Samantha Smith, of WWF International. “They watered things down so everyone could get on board.”

The package gave new life to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, whose carbon emissions targets expire next year and apply only to industrial countries. A separate document obliges major developing nations like China and India, excluded under Kyoto, to accept legally binding emissions targets in the future.

Together, the two documents overhaul a system designed 20 years ago that divide the world into a handful of wealthy countries facing legal obligations to reduce emissions, and the rest of the world which could undertake voluntary efforts to control carbon.

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Dave Springer
December 11, 2011 5:32 am

Well this is non-news for the U.S. which is essentially the extension of a treaty that the U.S. is not a party to in the first place. So 5 more years of business as usual. The biggest CO2 emitter in the world, China, is exempt. The second fastest growing emitter, India, is also exempt. And the second largest emitter, the United States, is not a party to the treaty. The rest of y’all in Annex I countries must feel sort of hoodwinked. You’re getting taken to the cleaners and the worst part of it is you don’t get anything in return as the amount of CO2 reduction won’t reduce global warming by any detectable amount. Funny stuff. I wouldn’t be laughing if the U.S. had signed on to this scam but it didn’t so all I can do is bemusedly watch the rest of the western world voluntarily cripple itself.

December 11, 2011 6:12 am

Very useful document…so Durban has agreed, to agree, to agree, to agree, to an almost binding almost legal almost agreement to agree something by God knows when!? Glad that’s out of the way then!!!!

H.R.
December 11, 2011 6:27 am

I didn’t see anything in the agreement to increase the number of hookers at future COP parties, so I guess that indirectly answers my question of a few days ago on another thread; did they have enough hookers there or did they need to import some?
My other question remains unanswered; Will they ever schedule a COP party in a Muslim country where liquor is banned?

Paul Linsay
December 11, 2011 6:42 am

In a little noticed codicil to the Durban agreement, the negotiators agreed that representatives to all future meetings will arrive by and only use transportation that does not use fossil fuels either directly or indirectly. Further, all future venues must be entirely powered by wind and solar and have no connection to any exisitng electrical grid that derives its power, in whole or in part, from nuclear or fossil fuels.

Dire Wolf
December 11, 2011 6:43 am

forget 67 votes. Kyoto did not receive 1 vote in the US Senate. And without the US, this is nothing but a way for the rest of us to watch the EU implode. Get out the popcorn and watch the show.

wayne
December 11, 2011 7:03 am

Paul Linsay says:
December 11, 2011 at 6:42 am
In a little noticed codicil to the Durban agreement, the negotiators agreed that representatives to all future meetings will arrive by and only use transportation that does not use fossil fuels either directly or indirectly. Further, all future venues must be entirely powered by wind and solar and have no connection to any exisitng electrical grid that derives its power, in whole or in part, from nuclear or fossil fuels.

What? Wait… codicil…code broken…. decipher…
Know what that means?
All UN participants must now buy a mandatorily yacht for trasport
….with our tax money !!!

danj
December 11, 2011 7:05 am

What this means is that this crowd of priviliged would-be plutocrats who couldn’t hold a real job if their lives depended on it will be free to fly around the allegedly carbon dioxide afflicted globe (increasing their carbon footprints in the process) and having grand parties while tweaking the boilerplate in their Marxist manifestos. Fortunately, the U.S. Senate, which couldn’t muster a single vote to ratify Kyoto, won’t come remotely close to ratifying some Son of Kyoto. Let them have their parties. As their alarmist warnings continue to prove false, folks around the world will have enough of higher energy costs and consign this farce to the trash bin of history…DJ

December 11, 2011 7:11 am

Notice how, even after Cancun’s huge bureaucracy creation wave with hundreds of new offices, they had to make even more. This goes perfectly with the ever-growing need of the UN to ever-grow and dominate the world.
IT IS TIME FOR THE UN TO BE DESTROYED! DISBAND IT NOW BEFORE IT THINKS IT HAS WON!
UN officials admit that the UN’s goal is to enrich itself and its burgeoning bureaucracy.

dkkraft
December 11, 2011 7:46 am

Perhaps not all of the Annex 1 countries have agreed to extend the Kyoto Protocol. Canadas Environment Minister (Peter Kent) statement Sunday regarding the Durban agreement….
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2011/12/canadas-statement-on-durban-climate-deal.html
Some highlights from the Globe and Mail.
Mr. Kent, who came to Durban saying Kyoto represents the past, declared Sunday that Canada would not undertake a second Kyoto commitment period.
“Nor will we devote scarce dollars to capitalize the new Green Climate Fund — part of the Durban agreement — until all major emitters accept legally binding reduction targets and transparent accounting of greenhouse gas inventory.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-hopeful-of-finalizing-new-climate-deal-by-2015-environment-minister-says/article2267220/
The following link says Japan and Russia are out too.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/11/canada-cautiously-optimistic-about-new-climate-deal-despite-not-signing-on/

MartinGAtkins
December 11, 2011 8:03 am

TomRude says:
December 10, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Owner: No no! ‘E’s pining!
THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
Kyoto=dead

Desperate action may yet bring it back to life.

Skiphil
December 11, 2011 9:07 am

The CAGW movement is in freefall …. there will still be vast amounts of propaganda hot air, but this pseudo “agreement” sounds like the most minimal nonsense that could be put out so that they can all agree to continue the meetings in the future. Kyoto will not be succeeded by any new “binding” agreement on emissions, and China, India, and USA were not on board with Kyoto anyway. We can’t declare victory since there is still an unlimited capacity for spewing and believing b.s. among media, NGO, and governmental types, but the “writing is on the wall” announcing the doom of the CAGW frauds.

Skiphil
December 11, 2011 9:13 am

Great, the CAGW movement is in freefall, whether or not they realize it yet. This pseudo “agreement” represents the absolute minimum they could have feared would come out of the Kyoto-to-Durban process over a dozen years. No real substance about any of their goals, and Kyoto will expire with nothing real to replace it (fortunately). China, India, and the USA are not signing on for UN control of emissions, and nothing in the Durban output can place that central fact in a better light for the CAGW alarmists.
There will still be endless propaganda hot air spewed, probably with increasing hysteria, but the “writing is on the wall” announcing the collapse of the Kyoto-type process.

December 11, 2011 9:57 am

Such conferences should be held in inhospitable places. May I suggest Iqaluit? Then we would see how dedicated those attendees are.
IanM

Interstellar Bill
December 11, 2011 10:41 am

Durbocrats cavorting in their fantasy Durborama
of DurboTheft justified by DurboLies

Mark Besse
December 11, 2011 11:36 am

Dumban and Dumberest. There typo fixed. City and the results of the conference.

budgenator
December 11, 2011 1:20 pm

DG says: So what happens if we don’t ever pass a budget and send money?
I understand the UN can’t levy and collect taxes.

Over the past two decades, the UN has often been in a state of financial crisis – what happens when Member States do not pay their share of costs for the programmes they have mandated. Some countries fail to pay their dues on time due to budgetary technicalities or simple poverty. Others have withheld payments as a way to exert political pressure or to make a political point. No State or private company could function under such conditions, with Member States continuing to ask more and more of the UN, even as dues are withheld.
As of 31 December 2005, arrears to the regular budget totalled $333.4 million – of which $314 million was for the current year. In addition, $24.9 million was owed in arrears relating to the International Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda, and $10.2 million with respect to the Capital Master Plan for renovation of the UN’s physical premises in New York.
When one adds in UN peacekeeping, total unpaid contributions jumps to $3.3 billion, with $2.9 billion owed for peacekeeping alone. Some 33.8 per cent of total arrears – over $1.1 billion – represented outstanding contributions by the United States, with $767.7 million relating to the current period and $343.2 million to prior periods. This difficulty was compounded in the closing days of 2005 when the General Assembly, in order to achieve consensus on its $3.79 billion budget for the biennium 2006-2007, added a provision by which spending authority was limited to $950 million for the first half of 2006. Since expenses are expected to reach some $1.9 billion during the year, the Secretary-General will have to return to the Assembly at some point for additional spending authority to keep the UN operational.
CHAPTER 5: IS THE UNITED NATIONS GOOD VALUE FOR THE MONEY?

Apparently they whine a lot and make their lower lip quiver.

December 11, 2011 4:56 pm

There was no agreement. They claimed there was an agreement by consensus, but no vote was taken and they never asked if there were objections. That’s not an agreement, that is P.R.
Still, it’s important to contact our Senators and remind them that we have too many budgetary problems at home to start shoveling $billions to foreign grifters.

Damage6
December 11, 2011 9:51 pm

anticlimactic says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Apart from the beneficiaries who is going to sign up? Obviously the EU and no doubt Australia, but who else?
I don’t know about the EU there AC. Given there current economic problems I wouldn’t say that their acceptance is a given. Australia maybe. When is their next election cycle? I have a feeling we might be seeing a major shift if the political landscape there the next time around.

December 11, 2011 10:06 pm

With the Greenhouse Gas Theory now scientifically, without the usual ‘adjusted’ data, trashed and trounced, by, Joseph E. Postma. (M.Sc. Astrophysics, Honours B.Sc. Astronomy
in his article, Understanding the Thermodynamic Atmosphere Effect, published March 2011
which concludes:
“The conclusion of this article is very simple: there is no such thing as a radiative Theory of the Greenhouse Effect, not in real greenhouses, and certainly not in any planetary atmosphere known to man. The true role of the atmosphere, on Earth, is that it cools the ground, not warms it. Therefore, there is no such thing as Anthropogenic Global Warming or anthropogenic-CO2 induced climate change, because that supposition is based on the false Theory of the Greenhouse Effect. Any monetary expenditure or political debate on this issue can therefore stop. Now. Or, those can exist only in so far as they are directed to eradicate the false science.”
One wonders, if the UN, who instigated the Anthropogenic Global Warming scam during its African Review, as a means of imposing a ‘wealth redistribution tax’ to benefit, Africa, will ban the use of actual science on humanitarian grounds?
In the meantime can any of you guys tell me, how much electricity it takes to operate one of those giant wind turbines (bonfires on sticks), as this information seems unavailable. Unlike other means of generating electrical power, apparently wind turbines cannot power themselves and have to draw power from the national grid. Uniquely, the power supply is free and not metered, could it be that these monstrosities are using more power than they actually produce?

matt v.
December 12, 2011 6:55 am

If these annual conferences were about the world coming together once a year to discuss how and where financial aid is most urgently needed in the coming year instead of hiding behind a false or questionable science in my opinion , there would be more willing world and general public support . Leaving any significant funds in the hands of United Nations reminds one of the FOOD FOR OIL type of risks as happened with the Iraq situation with little oversight about how the money is spent at the UN.We have already read about the corruption in the carbon trading schemes , in the green energy projects and unsupportable subsidies that have bankrupted nations .

Gail Combs
December 12, 2011 10:32 am

I think this is the major deal that was glossed over:
….The Durban agreement…sets up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars to poor countries suffering the effects of climate change….
EXACTLY what does that mean???
Back to Lord Monckton’s earlier post.

Ø The West will pay for everything, because of its “historical responsibility” for causing “global warming”. Third-world countries will not be obliged to pay anything. But it is the UN, not the third-world countries, that will get the money from the West, taking nearly all of it for itself as usual. There is no provision anywhere in the draft for the UN to publish accounts of how it has spent the $100 billion a year the draft demands that the West should stump up from now on.
The real lunacy comes in the small print…..
Who pays? Oh, you guessed it before I told you. The West pays…. But the UN’s bureaucrats will actually get all or nearly all the money, and will decide how to allocate what minuscule fraction they have not already spent on themselves. As a senior UN diplomat told me last year, “The UN exists for only one purpose: to get more money. That, and that alone, is the reason why it takes such an interest in climate change.”
World government: The Copenhagen Treaty draft establishing a world “government” with unlimited powers of taxation and intervention in the affairs of states parties to the UN Framework Convention fortunately failed. Yet at the Cancun climate conference the following year 1000 new bureaucracies were established to form the nucleus of a world government, with central control in the hands of the Convention’s secretariat and tentacles in every region and nation. The draft “agrees that common principles, modalities and procedures as well as the coordinating and oversight functions of the UNFCCC are needed” – in short, global centralization of political, economic and environmental power in the manicured hands of the Convention’s near-invisible but all-powerful secretariat. No provision is made for the democratic election of key members of the all-powerful secretariat – in effect, a world government – by the peoples of our planet.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/09/durban-what-the-media-are-not-telling-you/

The real lunacy comes in the small print…..
Since the UN never believed in Climate Change/Globull Warming in the first place, it is the FINE PRINT that sets up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute…
That is the real I gotcha. The United Nations gains the holy grail, the ability to TAX directly. This is a major step in changing the UN into a WORLD GOVERNMENT.
For an analysis of what the United Nations is actually after see: From Carroll Quigley to the UN Millennium Summit: http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates14.html

Gail Combs
December 12, 2011 11:00 am

Steve Koch says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:09 pm
It takes 67 votes in the senate to approve a treaty. That will never happen, just like it never happened with the Kyoto treaty.
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Do not say NEVER. You forget about the ratification of the World Trade Organization during the Clinton Admin. that is one of the root causes of a US unemployment rate of over 22% for the last four years. Followed by the entry of China into the WTO that Clinton and Al Gore worked hard to accomplish and Bush finished.
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
US Trade imbalance since 1995 WTO ratification: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/US_Trade_Balance_1980_2010.svg/500px-US_Trade_Balance_1980_2010.svg.png
China become member of WTO in 2001: http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/pres01_e/pr243_e.htm

Gail Combs
December 12, 2011 11:06 am

Gary Mount says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:57 pm
It took 70 years for the Soviet Union experiment to end. Facts and reality will also end this global warming hysteria, hopefully sooner than how long the socialist experiment took.
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The socialist experiment is alive and well even though one “experiment” failed. http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates14.html
The Unseen war in the USA Farmageddon: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2011-09-24/article/38459?headline=Farmageddon-America-s-War-Against-Small-Farmers

Gail Combs
December 12, 2011 11:21 am

Blade says:
December 11, 2011 at 3:22 am
…..On the other hand, there is a long simmering battle yet to be fought. If they try this, either a Constitutional convention or Civil War (perhaps both) will follow…..
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Just as a reminder.
A Constitutional Convention allows the ENTIRE Constitution to be completely rewritten. It is NOT something we want to leave open to those who wish to nullify the US sovereignty. All it takes is rewording so a Treaty TRUMPS the Constitution, the Idea the Dulles boys have been promoting for years.

Gail Combs
December 12, 2011 11:45 am

JMW says:
December 11, 2011 at 4:09 am
……And the idea of handing over technology isn’t too clever because where does it stop?
Indeed, in some countries (most?) some Intellectual capital is considered of vital importance and may not be shared…..
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ERRRRrrr that is already being done.

Source: The White House Office of Public Liason
NOVEMBER 17, 1999
BRIEFING ON THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AGENDA FOR THE
WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION MATERIAL
SUMMARY OF U.S. – CHINA BILATERAL WTO AGREEMENT
PROTOCOL PROVISIONS
Commitments in China’s WTO Protocol and Working Party Report establish rights and obligations enforceable through WTO dispute settlement procedures. We have agreed on key provisions relating to antidumping and subsidies, protection against import surges, technology transfer requirements and offsets as well as practices of state-owned and state-invested enterprises. These rules are of special importance to U.S. workers and business.
China had agreed to implement the TRIMs Agreement upon accession, eliminate and cease enforcing trade and foreign exchange balancing requirements, eliminate and cease enforcing local content requirements, refuse to enforce contracts imposing these requirements; and only impose or enforce laws or other provisions relating to the transfer of technology or other know-how, if they are in accordance with the WTO agreements on protection of intellectual property rights and trade-related investment measures.
These provisions will also help protect American firms against forced technology transfers, as China has also agreed that, upon accession, it will not condition investment approvals, import licenses, or any other import approval process on performance requirements of any kind, including: local content requirements, offsets, transfer of technology, or requirements to conduct research and development in China….
https://www.uschina.org/public/991115a.html

The transnational corporations are not about to let “Nationalism” stand in the way of business.

Rare Earth Elements (REE) have become a hot media top with the unofficial Chinese export embargo to Japan.REEs are crucial raw materials for a wide range of industries in the Green and Defense Sectors.The Chinese monopoly over the production and supply of these commodities have made EU and USA thinking of taking the WTO route.However this had not detered China from clamping down on the production and exports.China wants to use these minerals as a strategic resource to force Green companies to relocate to China and transfer hard to get technologies to local Chinese companies.Note while EU and USA are looking to export Green Product to China,the government there has shrewdly only given permissions to companies willing to transfer technology
http://www.greenworldinvestor.com/tag/wto/