Kyoto has become a zombie, coming to life after being dead…
Excerpts from Yahoo News
(AP) — A U.N. climate conference reached a hard-fought agreement Sunday on a complex and far-reaching program meant to set a new course for the global fight against climate change for the coming decades.
The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a new accord that would put all countries under the same legal regime enforcing commitments to control greenhouse gases. It would take effect by 2020 at the latest.
The deal also set up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars a year for poor countries. Other documents in the package lay out rules for monitoring and verifying emissions reductions, protecting forests, transferring clean technologies to developing countries and scores of technical issues.
Currently, only industrial countries have legally binding emissions targets under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. Those commitments expire next year, but they will be extended for another five years under the accord adopted Sunday — a key demand by developing countries seeking to preserve the only existing treaty regulating carbon emissions.
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“This is a very significant package. None of us likes everything in it. Believe me, there is plenty the United States is not thrilled about,” said U.S. climate envoy Todd Stern. But the package captured important advances that would be undone if it is rejected, he told the delegates.
The deal’s language left some analysts warning that the wording left huge loopholes for countries to avoid tying their emissions to legal constraints, and noted that there was no mention of penalties. “They haven’t reached a real deal,” said Samantha Smith, of WWF International. “They watered things down so everyone could get on board.”
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The package gave new life to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, whose carbon emissions targets expire next year and apply only to industrial countries. A separate document obliges major developing nations like China and India, excluded under Kyoto, to accept legally binding emissions targets in the future.
Together, the two documents overhaul a system designed 20 years ago that divide the world into a handful of wealthy countries facing legal obligations to reduce emissions, and the rest of the world which could undertake voluntary efforts to control carbon.
full story at: Yahoo News
Durban, like previous U.N. Climate Conferences, again proves that if you pay people enough money, they will actively conspire to deceive the public, or knowingly acquiesce to the fraud of global warming.
Earth has already entered a natural cooling cycle, or soon will. The technical argument for cooling is receiving early-stage support from atmospheric and ocean temperature data. We will soon know if multi-decadal natural cooling has commenced. (BTW, I predicted such natural global cooling in an article published in 2003.)
There is also significant sociological support for global cooling. The global warming extremists are already scrambling to revise their manmade-fossil-fuel-burning-causes-runaway-global-warming hypotheses.
Some are saying that increased CO2 actually causes global cooling, not warming. Quelle surprise! Others are blaming humanmade aerosols for the lack of global warming – but they had to fabricate the aerosol data to support their case!
Both arguments are utterly specious. No matter – anything for The Cause!
It is past time that governments stop their cowardly acquiescence to the scoundrels and imbeciles of global warming.
A trillion dollars of scarce global resources has been squandered on the fraud of global warming.
Even the most cynical or stupid politicians must finally be realizing that the public is no longer deceived. There is no manmade global warming crisis – only a Mann-made one.
R. Gates says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:37 pm
“This about the least and most feeble of “deals” that one could make and still call it a “deal”. A face-saving “Nothing Burger” with an imaginary side of fries…”
Aye, it’s a shaky puddin’ at best… but the only thing that could have made it better would have been a majority of these self serving parasites to have just admitted it was a well funded farce all along…. and begged for forgiveness instead of 300 lashes and life imprisonment. No doubt we’ll spend a few hundred Billion$ more, and kill off another million or so humans that were denied fresh water, food, basic hygiene, low cost energy, and real jobs and paychecks, because we focused our precious resources on the politically correct inconsequentialities of the AGW shaky puddin’ instead of the very real needs today of our brothers. We all must bear this shame.
I feel your pain…..
MtK
Whew! I didn’t think the saviors of the planet were going to going to make it to a real agreement! /sarc
COP18, COP19, COP20……. COP OUT. And yet, the beast ain’t dead! It’s in critical condition and on life support monitoring… but it ain’t dead yet. It won’t really die until the stake of solid data and analysis is driven trough it’s diseased heart and the twin silver bullets of fraud and corruption convictions from ballistic launched FOIAs find their down range, sooooo richly deserved targets.
Keep the pressure on, Me Hearties!
Pat says:
“December 10, 2011 at 10:14 pm
As Premier of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, let me assure everyone, we intend to comply and demand those who don’t pay proper reparations. Mainly to ourselves. And those we suggest.”
We can make a grand alliance Premier. As King of the English Channel Dominion the seas around my house are continually absorbing CO2. We need to combine our forces and extract a tribute from our subjects.
tonyb
What is the point of this “agreement” when the EU is facing more austerity and Euro meltdown, the US huge debt and no ratification of Kyoto or Son Of; India and China just playing along for the show. What is left when the big players can’t or a refusing to play along? More exotic trips by plane for just a little while longer until reality hits home. ;O)
Richard111 says:
December 10, 2011 at 11:09 pm
“Like what? Hide the decline? Just what important advances?”
This “hide the decline” strategy apples to this whole process since Copenhagen, like this burst of spun “news” articles about this. Headlines far more positive than the details in even the most spun and the TV coverage is bound to be just glorious.
Squidly, it may take 67 votes in the senate but we desperately need a Republican congress come 2012. It is much too scary in these times with a Democratic senate. Unfortunately, according to RealClear politics, the dems are currently leading in the generic ballot. It is amazing how many dumb and clueless Americans there are among us. Soooooooo many sheeple.
The US Senate does not have to ratify the treaty for the Obama administration to enact its provisions. It can simply go around Congress as it has done on any number of issues when its policies have been rejected by the people.
The US Supreme Court gave the Environmental Protection Agency(EPA) the power to declare CO2 a pollutant under the Clean Air Act and, thus, the power to regulate CO2 emissions as it sees fit. If re-elected in 2012, Obama can and will use the EPA to enforce the provisions of any UN Climate Change Treaty even if the Senate never formally ratifies it.
peetee says:
December 10, 2011 at 10:51 pm
guys, guys… the second batch of hackergate mails was tooooo late in arriving! Ain’t ya got nuthin… else?
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lol, well, there is the little thing about the globe cooling while CO2 emissions are going up……. hurricanes trending down, sea levels dropping, 100s of millions of pissed of tax payers, a public moving away from the alarmism, the absolute failure and overwhelming expense of renewable energy…… even members of the team walking back their extreme prognostications. Two countries that are thinking about withdrawing from Kyoto altogether…… but other than that…. no, not much…. it won’t be long now, these vapid conferences will be closed due to lack of interest and funding.
Don’t worry though, I’m sure the loons will find another issue to latch on to in an effort to continue to subject humanity with their misery and misanthropy.
This is all political sophistry. Our elected (in some countries) leaders can claim to have achieved something, thereby keeping the ecoloons on-side, whilst having to do nothing tangible. As temps fail to rise over the next few years the AGW hysteria will fizzle out and the politicians will slowly distance themselves from the whole scam. Joe Public will have lost interest and AGW will cease to be an election issue. However, the greenwashed wackos will become ever more desperate and shrill which should be amusing. I wonder which apocalyptic scenario they will migrate to next?
FOIA tried to alert the powers that be but they steadfastly refused to listen. The MSM steadfastly refused to raise any concerns and the populace went about their business in mental oblivion. Will FOIA now release the rest of the emails? If he does, will they be damaging enough to finally destroy the hypothesis? Nature has already done the damage but the pollies aren’t convinced.
Kyoto 5 more years extended, but also, at the same time, the proposed new draft rejected!
The historical guilt, which England had to admit it this draft, was, they as the historical villains started the industrial revolution, messed up the climate and therefore have to pay accordingly! They had the chance to stay ecological farmers but did not do it…. now its time to take out the cheque book, their own fault….. But,
….. since temps will stay flat since 2001 for the coming decades, AGW will loose their proponents, and, as they will continue thereafter extending Kyoto another 5 and further 5 etc. more years, AGW will become more and more ridiculous….and will slowly disappear into the trash can of history…..
We are the ones who are ahead of our times, whereas AGW is blind and drags behind history…
JS
Never mind. I’m sure they all had a pleasant expenses paid break in the sun.
My take is they have reported success in talking and have succeeded in planning to do some more robust talking in the future… It appears the words are more important than any action…
Given the utter lack of attention people are paying to this online – (search youtube and find all the COP videos gathering dust in corners with less than a dozen viewers) – its in its death throws. They *know* reality isn’t on their side and the general population are noticing the difference between what they preach and how darn cold and generally ‘unwarm’ the weather is (Sydney just had its coldest start to December in 50 odd years!). You can only fool all of the people some of the time – the timer is up!
Trying to control climate change is to f**t against thunder. It is about MONEY and how much these developing countries can screw out of the West.
TomRude: (in part) “If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! …”
Sweet, Tom!
I have just seen a clip from the conference showing vast, and I mean vast, numbers of people in a conference hall, all pressed closely together. So closely together that they were all in physical contact with one another. My first thought was about the massive carbon footprint they had made. My second thought concerned the overwhelming smell of body odour.
So how does 67 votes in the US Senate matter? The ‘Bama has demonstrated that laws and even the Constitution don’t matter when they conflict with working for a Noble Cause. The EPA has shown they can simply declare something a pollutant and mandate the emissions, keep tightening down the screws until entire industries are regulated out of business, they can even demand impractical nigh-impossible higher fuel mileage requirements despite the suffering that will be forced upon would-be consumers.
So the EPA will now simply cite the overwhelming consensus among the international community to fight climate change, cite our moral (if not yet legal) obligation as part of the international community, and shape EPA policy to reflect the will of the international community as expressed by Kyoto-stein’s monster.
Gee whiz people, you’re talking like the US is still a democratic republic, instead of a People’s Progressive Democratic Republic.
That is true. But I wonder what would happen if several (or perhaps twenty) were not voting. Put nothing past the fellow traveler schemers in the District of Criminals. Additional concern is that the VP can act as 101st Senator. Too close for comfort I think.
The point is, allowing 67 bureaucrats from that chamber of 100 pompous asses to wield this immense power over 310 million people is just too dangerous, these days. Here is really something interesting. My quick math says that those 67 Senators represent 0.00000021612903225806451612903225806452 % of the USA population. Compare that to CO2! That group of Senators is the real trace element, and potentially far more dangerous than any gas.
An Amendment changing that to 3/4ths or perhaps even unanimous is the way to go. Personally I think we should just line out the concept of treaties altogether. We are far past the era of loyalty to America and integrity of politicians. When pitted against Neo-Communism, our Constitution is as strong as (and treated like) toilet paper. It will only be relied upon when it appears to advance the cause of the enemy. On the other hand, there is a long simmering battle yet to be fought. If they try this, either a Constitutional convention or Civil War (perhaps both) will follow.
Cheering about the postponement of this nonsense is also not logical. There is a reason they are kicking the can down the road. When they press for such an expensive, radical communist idea as this during a time of world fiscal meltdown, they are in effect on better footing 10 or 20 years later when economies are again vibrant. Then they say, ‘now we can spend money on green treaties!’. And many dummies will agree. This is how they methodically wait us out.
R. Gates says:
“This about the least and most feeble of “deals” that one could make and still call it a “deal”. A face-saving “Nothing Burger” with an imaginary side of fries…”
If so, let the bells peal out for Christmas!
OK. Who will sign right after the Republic of Nauru?
They agreed to extend Kyoto NEXT YEAR… 1 month before it expires. IOW, they didn’t extend it now. And next year they will somehow, well, maybe even extend it, but only after filling it with whatever excemption they need. Or let it vanish. They did exactly nothing in Durban.
crosspatch says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:36 pm
The UN does not have force of law in the US. They are not elected, they are self-appointed. They are not a government, they are a diplomatic body. Diplomats do not carry the force of law. They are basically the political cronies of whichever despot is running their country, for the most part.
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thing is anytime someone from a govt decides to sign one of these un wto type treaties it Over rides the laws of the land that signs it!
ie WTO over rode australias laws regarding imports of fruit likely to bring disease into our country.from NZ apples and pears. bananas from tropics will now be pushing for import rights with all the risk that entails..
most of the repressive crazy food laws like the farm bills that criplle all but big agri etc and codex ALL come from the Eu UN.
I said ages back that the 3rd world nations have seen the gravy train for handouts and bribery, and they will NOT let it go, this durban do just proved how so FEW can be controlling the rest of the world, the entire island nations wouldnt make on large city pop wise, but their yelling and claims will be accorded far more power than any sane person would justify.
especially as the seas arent rising the weather events are no more than normal etc etc.
The lunatics are well and truly in charge – at the conference.
The way I understand treaties is that there are several key elements:
1) Agreement -which we seem to have here
2)Implementation – the individual treaty states have to go away and enact national legislation to implement the terms of the treaty
3) Enforcement – legislation is only as good as the means to detect and punish effectively those who violate the terms
4) Verification – a key component of any treaty is being able to measure compliance verifiably.
The best hope we have is that back in the various national governments the politicians will find it difficult to enact the legislation necessary.
I can’t, for example, see too many of them rushing out and disbanding their military. And the idea of handing over technology isn’t too clever because where does it stop?
Indeed, in some countries (most?) some Intellectual capital is considered of vital importance and may not be shared.
In other words, while the lunatics have signed them selves up to a fantasy saner heads may prevail at home long enough for the absurdity of it all to sink in.
What is needed is a healthy fear of the electorate.
Don’t worry guys. The Green Deal “is too big to fall”… 😉