Durban: what the media are not telling you

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley in Durban, South Africa

DURBAN, South Africa — “No high hopes for Durban.” “Binding treaty unlikely.” “No deal this year.” Thus ran the headlines. The profiteering UN bureaucrats here think otherwise. Their plans to establish a world government paid for by the West on the pretext of dealing with the non-problem of “global warming” are now well in hand. As usual, the mainstream media have simply not reported what is in the draft text which the 194 states parties to the UN framework convention on climate change are being asked to approve.

Behind the scenes, throughout the year since Cancun, the now-permanent bureaucrats who have made highly-profitable careers out of what they lovingly call “the process” have been beavering away at what is now a 138-page document. Its catchy title is “Ad Hoc Working Group on Long-Term Cooperative Action Under the Convention — Update of the amalgamation of draft texts in preparation of [one imagines they mean ‘for’] a comprehensive and balanced outcome to be presented to the Conference of the Parties for adoption at its seventeenth session: note by the Chair.” In plain English, these are the conclusions the bureaucracy wants.

The contents of this document, turgidly drafted with all the UN’s skill at what the former head of its documentation center used to call “transparent impenetrability”, are not just off the wall – they are lunatic.

Main points:

  • Ø A new International Climate Court will have the power to compel Western nations to pay ever-larger sums to third-world countries in the name of making reparation for supposed “climate debt”. The Court will have no power over third-world countries. Here and throughout the draft, the West is the sole target. “The process” is now irredeemably anti-Western.
  • Ø “Rights of Mother Earth”: The draft, which seems to have been written by feeble-minded green activists and environmental extremists, talks of “The recognition and defence of the rights of Mother Earth to ensure harmony between humanity and nature”. Also, “there will be no commodification [whatever that may be: it is not in the dictionary and does not deserve to be] of the functions of nature, therefore no carbon market will be developed with that purpose”.
  • Ø “Right to survive”: The draft childishly asserts that “The rights of some Parties to survive are threatened by the adverse impacts of climate change, including sea level rise.” At 2 inches per century, according to eight years’ data from the Envisat satellite? Oh, come off it! The Jason 2 satellite, the new kid on the block, shows that sea-level has actually dropped over the past three years.

 

  • Ø War and the maintenance of defence forces and equipment are to cease – just like that – because they contribute to climate change. There are other reasons why war ought to cease, but the draft does not mention them.
  • Ø A new global temperature target will aim, Canute-like, to limit “global warming” to as little as 1 C° above pre-industrial levels. Since temperature is already 3 C° above those levels, what is in effect being proposed is a 2 C° cut in today’s temperatures. This would take us halfway back towards the last Ice Age, and would kill hundreds of millions. Colder is far more dangerous than warmer.
  • Ø The new CO2 emissions target, for Western countries only, will be a reduction of up to 50% in emissions over the next eight years and of “more than 100%” [these words actually appear in the text] by 2050. So, no motor cars, no coal-fired or gas-fired power stations, no aircraft, no trains. Back to the Stone Age, but without even the right to light a carbon-emitting fire in your caves. Windmills, solar panels and other “renewables” are the only alternatives suggested in the draft. There is no mention of the immediate and rapid expansion of nuclear power worldwide to prevent near-total economic destruction.
  • Ø The new CO2 concentration target could be as low as 300 ppmv CO2 equivalent (i.e., including all other greenhouse gases as well as CO2 itself). That is a cut of almost half compared with the 560 ppmv CO2 equivalent today. It implies just 210 ppmv of CO2 itself, with 90 ppmv CO2 equivalent from other greenhouse gases. But at 210 ppmv, plants and trees begin to die. CO2 is plant food. They need a lot more of it than 210 ppmv.
  • Ø The peak-greenhouse-gas target year – for the West only – will be this year. We will be obliged to cut our emissions from now on, regardless of the effect on our economies (and the lack of effect on the climate).
  • Ø The West will pay for everything, because of its “historical responsibility” for causing “global warming”. Third-world countries will not be obliged to pay anything. But it is the UN, not the third-world countries, that will get the money from the West, taking nearly all of it for itself as usual. There is no provision anywhere in the draft for the UN to publish accounts of how it has spent the $100 billion a year the draft demands that the West should stump up from now on.

 

The real lunacy comes in the small print – all of it in 8-point type, near-illegibly printed on grubby, recycled paper. Every fashionable leftist idiocy is catered for.

Talking of which, note in passing that Rajendra Pachauri, the railroad engineer who, in the topsy-turvy looking-glass world of international climate insanity is the “science” chairman of the UN’s climate panel, has admitted that no one has been talking about climate science at the climate conference here in Durban. Not really surprising, given no real warming for getting on for two decades, no recent sea-level rise, no new record Arctic ice-melt, fewer hurricanes than at almost any time in 30 years, no Pacific atolls disappearing beneath the waves.

Here – and, as always, you heard it here first, for the mainstream media have conspired to keep secret the Madness of King Rajendra and his entire coterie of governmental and bureaucratic lunatics worldwide – is what the dribbling, twitching thrones and dominions, principalities and powers of the world will be asked to agree to.

“International Climate Court of Justice”: This kangaroo court is to be established by next year “to guarantee the compliance of Annex I Parties with all the provisions of this decision, which are essential elements in the obtaining of the global goal”. Note that, here as elsewhere, the bias is only against the nations of the West. However badly the third-world countries behave, they cannot be brought before the new court. Though none of what the draft calls the “modalities” of the proposed marsupial dicastery are set out in detail, one can imagine that the intention is to oblige Western nations to pay up however much the world government run by the Convention secretariat feels like demanding, just as the unelected tyrants of the EU demand – and get – ever-larger cash payments from the ever-shrinking economies and ever-poorer tribute-payers of their dismal empire.

The temperature target: At Copenhagen and Cancun, the states parties to the Convention arrogated to themselves the power – previously safe in the hands of Divine Providence – to alter the weather in such a way as to prevent global mean surface temperature from rising by more than 2 C° above the “pre-industrial” level. They did not even say what they meant by “pre-industrial”. From 1695-1745 temperatures in central England, quite a good proxy for global temperatures, rose by 2.2 C°, with about another 0.8 C° since then, making 3 C° in all. The previous temperature target, therefore, was already absurd. Yet the new, improved, madder target is to keep global temperatures either “1 C°” or “well below 1.5 C°” above “pre-industrial levels” – i.e., well below half of the temperature increase that has already occurred since the pre-industrial era. The twittering states parties are committing themselves, in effect, to reducing today’s global temperatures by getting on for 2 C°. This is madness. Throughout pre-history, the governing class – Druids or Pharaohs or Mayans or Incas – thought they could replace their Creator and command the weather. They couldn’t. No more can we. But try telling that to the strait-jacketed ninnies of today’s governing “elite”. Speech after speech at the plenary sessions of the Durban conference has drivelled on about how We Are The People Who At This Historic Juncture Are Willing And Able To Undertake The Noble Purpose Of Saving The Planet From Thermageddon and Saving You From Yourselves [entirely at your prodigious expense, natch].

The emissions-reduction targets: The new target proposed by the staring-eyed global-village idiots will be a reduction of 50-85% of global greenhouse-gas emissions from 1990 levels (i.e. by 65-100% of today’s levels) by 2050, with emissions falling still further thereafter. The West should cut its emissions by 30-50% from 1990 levels (i.e. by 40-65% of today’s levels) in just eight years, and by more than 95% (i.e. more than 100%) by 2050. Alternatively (for there are many alternatives in the text, indicating that agreement among the inmates in the Durban asylum is a long way off), the West must cut its emissions “more than 50%” in just five years, and “more than 100%” by 2050. The words “more than 100%” actually appear in the draft. The Third World, however, need cut its emissions only by 15-30% over the next eight years, provided – of course – that the West fully reimburses it for the cost.

The greenhouse-gas reduction target: Greenhouse-gas concentrations in the atmosphere “should stabilize well below 300-450 ppm CO2 equivalent”. This target, like the temperature target, is plain daft. CO2 concentration is currently at 392 ppmv, and the IPCC increases this by 43% to allow for other greenhouse gases. Accordingly, today’s CO2-equivalent concentration of greenhouse gases is 560 ppmv, and the current lunacy is to cut this perhaps by very nearly half, reducing the CO2 component to just 210 ppmv, at which point trees and plants become starved of CO2, which is their food, and start to die.

The greenhouse-gas peak targets: Global greenhouse gas emissions, say the mentally-challenged Durban droolers, should peak in not more than eight years’ time, and perhaps as soon as two years’ time. Western greenhouse-gas emissions should peak immediately (or perhaps by next year, or maybe the year after that) and must decline thereafter. The greenhouse-gas emissions peak in third-world countries will be later than that of the West, and – no surprises here – will depend on the West to pay the cost of it.

“Historical responsibility”: The nations of the West (for which the UN’s code is “Annex I parties”) are from now on required to beat their breasts (or at least their strait-jackets) and acknowledge their “historical responsibility” for increasing CO2 emissions and giving us warmer weather. The draft says: “Acknowledging that the largest share of the historical global emissions of greenhouse gases originated in Annex I Parties and that, owing to this historical responsibility in terms of their contribution to the average global temperature increase, Annex I Parties must take the lead in combating climate change and the adverse effects thereof.” This new concept of “historical responsibility” – suspiciously akin to the “war-guilt” of post-1918 Germany, declared by the imprudent governments of the world at the Versailles conference, which was no small cause of World War II – further underscores the rapidly-growing anti-Western bias in the UN and in the Convention’s secretariat.

Who pays? Oh, you guessed it before I told you. The West pays. The third world (UN code: “non-Annex-I parties”) thinks it will collect, so it will always vote for the UN’s insane proposals. But the UN’s bureaucrats will actually get all or nearly all the money, and will decide how to allocate what minuscule fraction they have not already spent on themselves. As a senior UN diplomat told me last year, “The UN exists for only one purpose: to get more money. That, and that alone, is the reason why it takes such an interest in climate change.” The draft says: “Developed-country Parties shall provide developing-country Parties with new and additional finance, inter alia through a percentage of the gross domestic product of developed-country Parties.” And, of course, “The extent of participation by non-Annex-I parties in the global effort to deal with climate change is directly dependent on the level of support provided by developed-country Parties.”

The get-out clause: One or two Western countries – Canada and Japan, for instance – have begun to come off the Kool-Aid. They have worked out what scientifically-baseless nonsense the climate scam is and have said they are not really playing any more. To try to keep these and the growing number of nations who want out of “the process” bankrolling the ever-more-lavish UN, an ingenious escape clause has been crafted: “The scale of financial flows to non-Annex-I parties shall be based on the assessments of their needs to deal with climate change.” Since climate is not going to change measurably as a result of Man’s emissions, any honest assessment of the needs of third-world countries “to deal with climate change” is that they don’t need any money at all for this purpose and shouldn’t get a single red cent. The UN is now the biggest obstacle to the eradication of poverty worldwide, because its pampered functionaries divert so much cash to themselves, to an ever-expanding alphabet-soup of bureaucracies, and then to heroically lunatic projects like “global warming” control. Time to abolish it.

World government: The Copenhagen Treaty draft establishing a world “government” with unlimited powers of taxation and intervention in the affairs of states parties to the UN Framework Convention fortunately failed. Yet at the Cancun climate conference the following year 1000 new bureaucracies were established to form the nucleus of a world government, with central control in the hands of the Convention’s secretariat and tentacles in every region and nation. The draft “agrees that common principles, modalities and procedures as well as the coordinating and oversight functions of the UNFCCC are needed” – in short, global centralization of political, economic and environmental power in the manicured hands of the Convention’s near-invisible but all-powerful secretariat. No provision is made for the democratic election of key members of the all-powerful secretariat – in effect, a world government – by the peoples of our planet.

Reporting to the world government: From 2013/14, the world government will oblige Western nations to prepare reports and submit them to it every two years. The format of these reports is specified in obsessive detail over several pages of the draft. The reports will describe the extent of their compliance with the mitigation targets imposed by the various treaties and agreements. The West will be obliged to to continue reporting “greenhouse-gas emission inventories”, for which “common reporting formats and methodologies for the calculation of emission, established at the international level, are essential”. Separately, Western nations will now be required to provide information on the financial support they have pledged to assist third-world countries in mitigating greenhouse-gas emissions and adapting to “the adverse effects of climate change”. The world government also expects to receive reports from Western nations on their financial contributions to the Global Environment Facility, the Least Developed Countries’ Trust Fund, the Special Climate Change Fund, the Adaptation Fund, the Green Climate Fund and the Trust Fund for Supplementary Activities”. Western nations must also provide information on the steps taken to promote technology development and transfer to third-world countries, and on how they have provided “capacity-building support” to third-world countries, and on numerous other matters. The inexorable increase in compulsory reporting was one of the mechanisms by which the unelected Kommissars of the anti-democratic European Union acquired absolute power over the member states. EU advisors have been helping the UN to learn how to use similar techniques to centralize global power just as anti-democratically in its own hands.

Review of Western nations’ conduct: Once the multitude of mechanisms for Western nations’ compulsory reporting to the world government are in place, the information gathered by it will be used as the basis of a continuous review of every aspect of their compliance with the various agreements and concords, whether legally-binding or not. Teams of five to eight members of the Convention’s secretariat will scrutinize each Western nation’s conduct, and will have the power to ask questions and to require additional information, as well as to make recommendations that will gradually become binding. The world government will then prepare a record of the review for each Western nation, including reports of various aspects of the review, an assessment of that nation’s compliance, questions and answers, conclusions and recommendations (eventually instructions) to that nation, and a “facilitative process” (UN code for a mechanism to compel the nation to do as it is told by people whom no one has elected).

Finance: One of the 1000 bureaucracies established at Cancun is the Standing Committee on Finance, which the draft says will have the power of “mobilizing financial resources” through flows of public and private finance, “mobilizing additional funding”, and requiring and verifying the reporting of finance provided to third-world Parties by the Western nations through a new Financial Support Registry. Finance for third-world countries is to be scaled up “significantly”, and Western countries will be obliged to provide “a clear work-plan on their pledged assessed contributions” from 2012-2020 “for approval by the Conference of the Parties”. Taxpayers will be compelled to provide the major source of funding through public expenditure.

Green Climate Fund: Western nations are urged to “commit to the initial capitalization of the Green Climate Fund without delay”, to include “the full running costs” and “the funding required for the formation and operating costs of the board and secretariat of the Green Climate Fund”. Here, as always, the UN bureaucrats want their own pay, perks, pensions and organizational structure guaranteed before any money goes to third-world countries.

Worldwide cap-and-trade: The draft establishes a “new market-based approach/mechanism … to promote the reduction or avoidance of greenhouse-gas emissions” – once again for Western countries only. Also, “Ambitious, legally-binding emission reduction targets for developed-country Parties … are essential to drive a global carbon market”. What this means, in the plain English that is almost entirely absent from the 138-page draft, is worldwide compulsory cap-and-trade, centrally imposed and regulated, imposed on Western countries only.

Patent rights: Under the guise of action to prevent “global warming” that is not happening at anything like the predicted rate, coded references to the extinction of patent rights in third-world countries are creeping into the text. For instance, “identification and removal of all barriers that prevent effective technology development and transfer to developing-country Parties”; and “the removal of all obstacles, including intellectual property rights and patents on climate-related technologies to ensure the transfer of technology to developing countries”. As an inventor with patents to my name, I can predict what effect any such provision will have. It will prevent the establishment and development of patent offices in continents such as Africa, which – thus far – has contributed remarkably little to the world’s inventions, not least because the structure for protecting and encouraging inventors is rickety or non-existent.

Shipping and aviation fuels were previously excluded from the scope of the Convention and are now to be included. International shipping and aviation are described as “a source of financial resources for climate change actions”. More money for UN bureaucrats.

The new bureaucracies: As though the 1000 bureaucracies created at Cancun were not enough, another bureaucracy is to be created “to oversee, monitor and ensure overall implementation of capacity-building activities consistent with the provisions of the Convention”. There will also be a new “International Climate Court of Justice” (see above). A “Financial Support Registry” is also to be set up.

The new special-interest group: Meet the “Parties that are alternative-energy-disadvantaged”. No wind, no sun, no renewables – so, handouts from the West, please.

The new buzzwords: Welcome to the notion of “equitable access to global atmospheric space”; “Mother Earth” [I kid you not: it’s in the draft]; “climate-resilient infrastructure” and “paradigm shift towards building a low-carbon society”. These buzzwords are in addition to pre-existing buzzwords such as “climate justice” and “climate debt” – the latter being the notion that because the West has emitted more carbon dioxide than the rest it owes the Third World lots of money.

“Rights of Mother Earth”: The draft burbles insanely about “The recognition and defence of the rights of Mother Earth to ensure harmony between humanity and nature, and that there will be no commodification [whatever that may be] of the functions of nature, therefore no carbon market will be developed with that purpose”.

“Right to survive”: “The rights of some Parties to survive are threatened by the adverse impacts of climate change, including sea level rise.” At 2 inches per century? Oh, come off it! The Jason 2 satellite shows that sea-level has dropped over the past three years.

The science is at last to be reviewed in a manner that appears independent of the discredited IPCC. However, no details of the method of review are provided, and other parts of the schizophrenic draft say we must defer to the science put forward not by the peer-reviewed learned journals but by a political body whose reports are not peer-reviewed in the usual sense.

Legally-binding treaty: According to the draft, the aim is to create a “legally-binding instrument/outcome”. This is UN code for an international Treaty. The US will sign no such treaty. Nor will Canada, Japan, France, India and many other countries. On the basis of drafts as in-your-face idiotic as this, no legally-binding climate treaty will ever be signed: which is just as well, because no such treaty is necessary.

War and the maintenance of defence forces and equipment are to cease because they contribute to climate change. Just like that. The UN draft text asserts: “Stopping wars, defending lives and ceasing destructive activities will protect the climate system; conflict-related activities emit significant greenhouse gas emissions to the atmosphere.” A wave of the UN’s magic wand and peace will reign throughout the Earth, the sun will shine (but not too much) the rain will fall (just where and when needed), and non-gender-specific motherhood and non-commodificated apple pie will be available to all. Ouroborindra, ba-ba hee! It does not seem to have occurred to the Druids of the UN that they have near-totally failed to prevent wars on Earth – the original purpose for which it was founded. Yet now, in their gibbering, spastic arrogance, they think to command the weather. Canute, thou shouldst be living at this hour!

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Sunspot
December 10, 2011 12:53 pm

.This sort of rubbish suits the Australian “Greens”, whom, unfortunately, hold the balance of power. One other item on their agenda is the reintroduction of death duties. Very few Australian voters are aware of this.

dtbronzich
December 10, 2011 1:04 pm

JohnM says:
December 10, 2011 at 9:08 am
Communism has transparently not yet failed.
It has ceased to be transparent, having submerged itself in green and environmental projects, until it could become visible having captured the hierarchy of the main players.
This lunacy is only the part we know about.
Actually, this a form of socialism, not true communism; Statist Socialism, known by a variety of names, but most widely by the term ‘National Socialism’. as Hitler said”Tell a lie, and make it big enough, no matter how unbelievable…” or something to that effect.

John West
December 10, 2011 1:21 pm

dtbronzich says:
“Never, in the fertile imagination of science fiction authors did they ever imagine a holocaust by legislation!!!”
Star Wars II, Galactic Senate grants “emergency powers” to Chancellor.
Star Wars III, Galactic Senate cheers the institution of Galactic Emperor.
The real Holocaust started with ideology legislation:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005681

john
December 10, 2011 1:41 pm

Follow the derivatives and dark pool trading. Ground zero is LONDON.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/the-british-origins-of-lehmans-accounting-gimmick/

novareason
December 10, 2011 1:50 pm

dtbronzich says:
December 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I’d say that it failed, given that it collapses or destroys the economy of any country that embraces it’s tenets. It’s retreat into academia and the related realms of enviro-socialism speaks only to the appeal of idiocy to those locked away in Ivory Towers.

RockyRoad
December 10, 2011 1:53 pm

R. Gates says:
December 10, 2011 at 10:23 am

Rocky Road said: (to R. Gates)
“You keep yammering on and on about “repercussions” and fail to see the big picture or realize the gravity of the situation.”
———-
You sound like some kind of alarmist. Please do tell, what situation or what “big picture” is so grave?

With this response, R., I’m now convinced you don’t know how to read; you don’t know how to comprehend; and your memory is shot–it was you who brougth up the “repercussions” in the first place.
I’d recommending checking out the response sequence to this thread, R., but I’m pretty sure you couldn’t do that, either.
(Why do I waste my time?…..)

R. Gates
December 10, 2011 1:57 pm

davidmhoffer says:
December 10, 2011 at 11:16 am
R. Gates;
Uhm… you say we’re only up 0.8 degrees since the LIA? OK, over half of that was before CO2 started to increase in 1920. If we assume the same trend since the LIA has continued since 1920, that leaves about… 0.05 degrees to blame on CO2.
Nice catch! Thanks for pointing that out!
———
CO2 started increasing in 1920? Ah, you must be back to writing your fictional account of climate history! For those who want the science and the truth:
http://i39.tinypic.com/if0m5g.jpg
We see that CO2 levels were wavering around 280-285 ppm during the centuries prior to the LIA, bottomed out around 278ppm during the LIA, and then have been rising ever since the start of the Industrial Revolution around 1750 or so. You have to extrapolate the end of the linked graph as obviously levels are now way off this chart.

Power Grab
December 10, 2011 2:05 pm

Sickening!
Two themes keep coming to mind:
1. Have you noticed how, in so many spheres of modern life, we keep having to pay more for less? One rather mundane example is how you used to be able to get a widely-available cough syrup (I shouldn’t mention names, should I?) that recommended a dose of 1 tablespoon. Now you can’t find it. The company now only sells a so-called “natural” product and recommends a dose of 2 tablespoons. It just seems like a way to make consumers use it up faster – in other words, pay more for less. I see no reason why a given amount of a cough suppressant ingredient should no longer available in a 1 tablespoon dose, but only in a 2 tablespoon dose.
Another example is biofuel. To make biofuel, you just have to use up so-called “fossil fuel” more quickly!
i’m old enough to remember getting by with less – that is, doing more with less.
2. Have you noticed how many OUTRAGEOUSLY BAD IDEAS are being proposed by persons in power? i keep wondering if they’re just trying to distract everyone with the worst they can think of, so they can then come back with something a little less overreaching – as if they really knew they could only reach the lesser goal, but not if they proposed it first.
Both these phenomena seem to be strategies of marketing.
I fail to see how the UN’s proposal of milking the developed countries of so much of their GDP will leave those countries in the so-called “developed” status for very long. After only a year or so of that treatment, won’t the developed countries drop to “undeveloped” status?
If they succeed in reducing the level of electrical service in the developed countries, perhaps even to the point where people can’t afford to continue paying their utility bills, and therefore will be unable to continue charging their phones and using their TVs and computers, then how will Big Brother (the elites at the UN) be able to continue monitoring the “proles”? It’s not SUSTAINABLE, is it?
One more thing – about the crises in the financial sector – if enough if the world’s currencies were destroyed, would someone propose using some form of non-money as the medium of exchange? Is that what carbon exchanges are supposed to be? It makes me think of the old movie “It’s a Wonderful Life”, where Mr. Potter (the evil banker) offered the customers of the Bailey Savings & Loan a fraction of the value of their deposits in the S&L while they were afraid they could not get their money from the S&L that Potter underhandedly deprived of a large deposit? Or would it go the other way? You would be offered more than 100% of the value of your local currency if you chose to hold your assets in carbon credits instead? It’s a marketing angle again. If you can dupe people into giving up what has been working but appears to be in crisis, and take something that only helps the sellers of the substitute, who benefits?
These scams are getting OLD!

P Wilson
December 10, 2011 2:07 pm

obviously it doesn’t matter what goes into abeyance – in this case science – for the pursuit of “The Cause”.
Even if “The Cause” protagonists said that the reasoning was entirely spurious at some future date, it wouldn’t matter, as “The Cause” would have been put into effect.
What is bizarre is that a fanciful notion – co2 charlatanism/fiction – was used to realize this “New World Order”.

R. Gates
December 10, 2011 2:14 pm

Rocky Road said: (to R. Gates)
“You keep yammering on and on about “repercussions” and fail to see the big picture or realize the gravity of the situation.”
———-
R. Gates: You sound like some kind of alarmist. Please do tell, what situation or what “big picture” is so grave?
Rocky: With this response, R., I’m now convinced you don’t know how to read; you don’t know how to comprehend; and your memory is shot–it was you who brougth up the “repercussions” in the first place I’d recommending checking out the response sequence to this thread…
——–
Did you not say that I failed to see the “gravity of the situation?”
So, I ask you again Rocky– what situation and what is so grave about it?

R. Gates
December 10, 2011 2:34 pm

.
John West says:
December 10, 2011 at 12:25 pm
The political picture is grave.
The climatic picture is grave.
The scientific picture is gravest of all.
——–
Thanks for being so straight with your answer. Obviously your reading comp skills are a bit more advanced than others.
To your first point I agree, but add the caveat that it is no more so than at all times in history. Political chaos is the the rule, not the exception.
To your second point- I don’t believe that a significant cooling for the globe is close. By significant I mean on the order of the LIA. Rather, warming over the next few decades and centuries is probably more the likely trend. I am not convinced this is a grave situation.
To your last point– scientific knowledge is exploding faster than ever. So many new and amazing discoveries are being made every day. How wise we will be in using this knowledge is of greater concern to me than the trust and credibility of scientists by the public, as that is more a function of the way the short- term political winds are blowing. Technology is proof of science’s basic truth ( at least all that the common person on the street needs). The world now worships technology and the truth that makes it possible is science.

December 10, 2011 2:39 pm

Awestruck says: December 10, 2011 at 12:00 am
marsupial dicastery”. Magnificent.

Eh, what did I miss? egad, “kangaroo court”. And “dicastery” (Wikipedia) refers to “the Departments of the Roman Curia” whereof the premier Department is “The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith” aka Inquisition.
Definitely a useful new phrase.

davidmhoffer
December 10, 2011 2:47 pm

R. Gates;
CO2 started increasing in 1920? Ah, you must be back to writing your fictional account of climate history! For those who want the science and the truth:>>>
Coming from you, that’s a compliment. Nice try, once again. The Law Dome ice core data has a resolution of somewhere between 30 and 60 years, rendering that plot nearly meaningless. Further, the IPCC reports constantly and continually refer to 1920 as the year in which significant rises in CO2 concentration can first be accurately measured, and they cite 278 ppm (multiple times) as the value in 1920, and they further cite 280 (multiple times) as the accepted “background” level of CO2 in the atmosphere, attribbuting everything over and above that amount to human activity.
Furthermore, human emissions of CO2 from 1750 to 1920 were pretty much insignificant compared to post 1920 emissions. Widespread use of fuel derived from OIL is what drove our emissions higher, and use of oil was nearly zero prior to 1920. The widespread use of fuel from OIL in everything from railways to automobiles to farm machinery to aircraft is all post 1920. Given that human emissions of CO2 were negligible pre-1920, if one were to accept your Law Dome results, one would have to ask:
What drove the increase in CO2 from 1750 to 1920 since human activity can only account for a few ppm and your referenced results show many times that? Why does the IPCC cite 278 ppm in 1920 when the Law Dome shows over 300? But here is the real doozy:
If the Law Dome results are accurate, what they show is that TEMPERATURE drove a DROP in CO2 in the LIA and that TEMPERATURE drives CO2 levels, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!
I know you hate all caps because you’ve complained before that I’m yelling at you.
WELL YES I AM!! YOUR OWN DATA SAYS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU CLAIM YET YOU KEEP SPOUTING IT! HOW DOES ONE GET THROUGH TO YOU WITHOUT YELLING?

u.k.(us)
December 10, 2011 2:51 pm

R. Gates says:
December 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm
===========
“………Obviously your reading comp skills are a bit more advanced than others.”
Yes,
R. Gates your writing skills are notable, but, are you sure you want to go there.

R. Gates
December 10, 2011 3:08 pm

Davidmhoffer,
It is both necessary and convenient for those, like yourself, who would wish to re-write both history and science to dismiss certain data. I understand that. But to feel the need to raise your voice while doing so would seem to indicate a certain psychological state that adds a much lessened weight to your already dubious pronouncements.

davidmhoffer
December 10, 2011 3:25 pm

R. Gates says:
December 10, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Davidmhoffer,
It is both necessary and convenient for those, like yourself, who would wish to re-write both history and science to dismiss certain data. I understand that. But to feel the need to raise your voice while doing so would seem to indicate a certain psychological state that adds a much lessened weight to your already dubious pronouncements.>>>
Ad hominem attack while completely ignoring the facts raised in my response. Can’t deal with the heat, then vacate the kitchen. That’s all you got? I used too many caps so I must be psychotic? My statements are dubious because I used caps to emphasize them? PUHLEEEEEEZE!
BTW, you welched on your bet with me. Since you’ve made a rather nasty accusation against me about my psychological state, let’s recount the circumstances of our bet and see if perhaps one of us has a psychological problem known as “denial”:
1. I said I would wager that if Al Gore’s on air experiment were repeated at illustrated, it wouldd not produce the results as illustrated.
2. You immediately accepted the wager, and asked “how much?”
3. You suggested that the globes be removed from the jars as they were superflous. As I have asked you many times, and you have failed to respond, how could the experiment have possibly succeeded if there was nothing in the jars to convert SW to LW? How can you claim any expertise in the amtter when you completely blew this fundamental piece of the equation that all of AGW is founded upon? How also did you expect the experiment to work when the energy source was an IT heat lamp, not a SW source?
4. Anthony repeated the experiment, and I was proven right.
5. You attempted to assert that all that Anthony’s demonstration of the actual experiment showed was that Anchor Hawking glass absorbs IR.
For you to call me down for “re-writing history” is, frankly, a bit rich and a lot sad. I’ve debated you enough times to suggest that you know full well that you are twisting the facts at every turn to support a false hypothesis.

davidmhoffer
December 10, 2011 3:45 pm

R. Gates;
while we’re at it, you haven’t responded in the thread by Joe D’aleo to my points about your lack of understanding of radiative physics and how ridiculous it is for you to be lecturing Joe D’Aleo on a topic in which you clearly have zero expertise. If you’d admit to being over your head on this stuff instead of pretending to knowledge and expertise that you do not have I WOULDN’T HAVE TO YELL AT YOU TO GET YOUR ATTENTION.

Aussie Luke Warm
December 10, 2011 4:25 pm

Thank you for the heads up, Christopher. The MSM coverage in Australia has been (deviously) devoid of any real analysis of what is actually being put on the table.

RockyRoad
December 10, 2011 4:25 pm

R. Gates says:
December 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm

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Did you not say that I failed to see the “gravity of the situation?”
So, I ask you again Rocky– what situation and what is so grave about it?

I’m glad you responded, R., ’cause here’s the “gravity of the situation”:
From what you post here at WUWT it is easy to see you are of the CAGW camp–you believe mankind is doing terrible things to the climate because of increases in CO2 with catastrophic impact. Yet this argument is patently false–you blatantly take information out of context and I post as evidence the recent rebuttals of davidmhoffer above who, to any thinking reader, has basically skewered you with his rapier-like logic, although that doesn’t seem to penetrate.
You are commenting on a thread that explains in vivid detail what the COP/UN people want to do with the world’s economy and yet you make no reference to it at all–you’re stuck on CO2. I get the strong feeling you are in complete support of this effort to bring down the West, which is this “grave situation” of which I speak.
I can’t imagine anyone cheerleading for such an assault on the West, but if you’ve swallowed the swill from one of our “enlightened” universities that the West is evil; that civilized man is evil because he’s screwed up the environment; that advanced man must make reparations for harnesing carbon-based sources of energy, then it all points to this–you have become a self-loathing human.
And it’s obvious that you’re all up in arms about something over which we have little or no control, which is the climate. Dr. Hansen believes we’re apparently past some “tipping point” and the UN lies about climate sensitivity so they can foist their control on an unsuspecting globe, but through it all you’re stuck on stupid–you don’t see this grave step by the COP/UN as a problem at all; nay, you’re cheerleading it on. You think it will be the solution.
And in that you are completely mistaken. I laugh at your extreme concern over a non-issue, which is man’s impact on the climate; yet I am amazed that someone supposedly of your intelligence doesn’t see the danger in what they propose at Durban. Apparently your education has filled you with a lot of information but never taught you to think.
Good luck with COP/UN. You’re just the foolish, useful tool they’re looking for. However, I have a completely opposite view of their efforts and yours.
But keep posting–lots of people read this site and they can see which is the better option when the two are compared side by side.

Jbar
December 10, 2011 4:35 pm

World government? I don’t know what you’re so afraid of. We can’t even run OUR government (US). The EU is about to disintegrate. Arab gov’ts are falling left and right. The Chinese government is perpetually terrified that the Chinese peasants will revolt. Even Putin is having a spot of bother. Anyone who is really actually truly afraid that the UN can hold down a world government is utterly deluded.

Jbar
December 10, 2011 4:39 pm

Are there really “Lords” in a Libertarian free society?

MarkG
December 10, 2011 5:03 pm

“World government? I don’t know what you’re so afraid of. We can’t even run OUR government (US).”
The Soviet Union collapsed because it was based on an insane dream. But it murdered tens of millions and destroyed the lives of hundreds of millions before it did so.

Babsy
December 10, 2011 5:08 pm

RockyRoad says:
December 10, 2011 at 4:25 pm
“I can’t imagine anyone cheerleading for such an assault on the West, but if you’ve swallowed the swill from one of our “enlightened” universities that the West is evil; that civilized man is evil because he’s screwed up the environment; that advanced man must make reparations for harnesing carbon-based sources of energy, then it all points to this–you have become a self-loathing human.”
Oh, I can!!!!! Leftists around the world would rejoice in the destruction of the West, especially the collapse of the United States.

timbrom
December 10, 2011 5:43 pm

Mac the Knife. I hope you don’t mind, but I’ve posted your superb comment on my Facebook page. Classic stuff!

Rhoda Ramirez
December 10, 2011 6:01 pm

Jbar: It’s been a historical trend; some idiot/s deciding they are better able to rule the world than anyone else and proceed to destroy/kill/maim lots of people proving that they can’t.

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