I’m a little burned out after nearly two weeks of covering Climategate 2.0, plus my children are demanding that I put up Christmas lights on the house. So, I’m taking the rest of the day off though may do an update late tonight when I do my regular late night forecast updates for radio stations.
In the meantime…
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Alarmist Ranking
I would like to see a weekly list of alarmists and their organisations, ranked in descending order of the enormity of their alarmist claims. Perhaps that list could be hosted at WUWT or a similar site.
I suggest that each time a person (and their organisation if they are in one) makes an alarmist claim, they are awarded points from 1 to 100 depending on how ridiculous their claim is and how much influence that person has. Each week the list is sorted and the top 50 or 100 names published. Each week the points for each person are reduced by 2% so that the points fade out after a year.
However if someone, e.g. a journalist, cites a false claim from years ago, that person is awarded points and goes on the list.
The effect of this alarmist list is to show who continues to make false alarmist claims. If they stop doing that, they will automatically disappear from the list.
We could start the list as of now, or check WUWT and CA articles for the last year and start awarding points. I’ll do much of the work if someone will publish the list!
From the South African Newspaper “BusinessDay” on 2011/12/02,
[ http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=160223 ]
COP-17: SA ‘should industrialise renewable energy sector’
On Wednesday the government is expected to announce the results of the first tender bid for renewable projects, involving 53 projects with a capital expenditure of more than R64bn
THE industrialisation of renewable energy technology in SA could generate employment, but the sector was being hamstrung because of high levels of surplus components held in stock by global suppliers, Gerrit Kruyswijk of the Industrial Development Corporation said yesterday.
On Wednesday the government is expected to announce the results of the first tender bid for renewable projects, involving 53 projects with a capital expenditure of more than R64bn.
Country policies on the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions have driven the renewable energy industry worldwide, and while the industry accounts for less than 1% of SA’s electricity generation capacity, the intention is to lift this to 9% by 2030.
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Mr Leimecke said the first bid for renewable projects in SA represented a “learning curve” for the industry, and a continuous programme of bids would reduce the risk premium on project financing costs, as well as cut other costs, such as for technical expertise, most of which was having to be imported, and through the emergence of more competitive contractors on renewable projects.
I guess that in the religion of Gaia and church of CAWG, all nations need to repeat the same mistakes (rites?) instead of learning from the errors of other, such as Greece, Spain, UK, Australia, USA (to a slightly lesser extent). So after South Africa, who’s next on the list of self-destroyed economies?
/WishingItWasSARC
Duke C. says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:09 pm
> Michael Mann unleashes another rant in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068211662483248.html
There’s a wonderfully ambiguous line in there:
After my colleagues and I had our emails stolen and posted online in November 2009,…
You’d think the constabulary should have been able to finish and close the case quickly….
Ric Werme,
Ric, I think skeptics should respond to Mann’s tantrum in his WSJ article. What, exactly, was “stolen”? When something is stolen, it is gone. But the original emails are still there; but now the public – who paid for those emails – now has access to them. What’s wrong with that?
Michael Mann is the most self-serving, devious propagandist out of a clique of self-serving propagandists. There is nothing unusual happening with the global climate. But if Mann et al. admitted that fact, they would lose their lucrative taxpayer paid grants.
Lying for money is as old as humanity. It is time to call Mann and his alarmist cronies on their defrauding of already hard-bitten taxpayers.
Does anyone else remember the “tipping point”. It was the critical factor in turning AGW into Catastrophic AGW. We were supposed to be only a few degrees from a tipping point after which the climate system would go into a runaway positive feedback mode and we would all fry (or roast).
As I remember it, the MWP was a problem because there were people claiming that the earth had already exceeded the tipping point at least once and had clearly not gone into positive feedback mode. I believe it was in that context the Mann used tree rings to prove that there had been no global MWP. If Mann was wrong and there was a global MWP then the tipping point idea is discredited and the catastrophic part of CAGW is also. Hence the need to defend Mann and the Hockey Stick.
If I am wrong about this I am sure I will be corrected here. If not, I believe the connections described above should not be forgotten. The MWP is one of the greatest weaknesses of the CAGW theory.
Ditto that. I wonder if there exists a web formatted version with the tables and photos.
Ric Werme says:
December 5, 2011 at 4:54 am
Duke C. says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:09 pm
> Michael Mann unleashes another rant in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068211662483248.html
Ric and All, this appeared in The Hill this morning (from the Washington Post)…
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/197115-schwarzenegger-to-gop-2012-field-move-green-energy-debate-past-solyndra
There currently is a push to extend the folly of 1603 grants too.
http://www.masterresource.org/2011/12/section-1603-extension-no/
Gail Combs says: December 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Owen says:
December 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm
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I think there is a lot more viable DNA than what they are mentioning. http://www.grahamkendall.net/Unsorted_files-2/A312-Frozen_Mammoths.txt
I’ll read your link in a few minutes, but I remember a NG article about an expedition in Siberia that ate the frozen mammoths to survive. They were surprised at how freshly frozen the meat was. That was a key component to a climate fiction story in the past decade about super storms bringing on the next ice age by forcing extra cold air to the surface, flash freezing everything. Was it ‘The Day After Tomorrow’?
I second Richard Sharpe’s comment here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/04/open-thread-weekend-5/#comment-818691
I have been reading it.He brings up some points about past recorded climates that help us understand the current one we are in now.
Worth the $7.
http://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/usgs/
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_eruptions.cfm
Volcano Country / Location Eruption Start Date
Grímsvötn Iceland 2011
Katla Iceland 2011
Puyehue-Cordón Caulle Chile 2011
Planchón Peteroa Chile 2011… So Katla is already counted as erupting under the ice. Etna, Cordon Caulle and uhh?uhh? oops? (gotta stop watching Al Gore’s little half brother campaigning) are big emitters.
Is Micheal Mann’s article a part of this ongoing effort?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/04/132047/penn-states-legal-pr-bills-could.html
excerpt:
Keith Trivitt, associate director of public relations at the Public Relations Society of America, said monthly retainers for PR firms can run from $10,000 to $20,000. In a situation like Penn State’s, he said, a PR agency would likely receive a project fee rather than an ongoing retainer.
He said hiring outside public relations agencies is generally something that is done in a corporate environment. It’s becoming more common in this digital age, he said, when crises can quickly snowball.
He said it’s probably good practice in the case of Penn State “because the situation has gone so far beyond what Penn State or anyone else thought was possible.”
Duke C. says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Michael Mann unleashes another rant in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article
Just read the comments! You can hear the groans from the CRU and RC! He has been ripped to bits! Mann resorts to the worst, calling Dellingpole a “Climate Change Denier” (I am sure J.D, knows climate changes!) uses the “Big Oil” and “Tobacco” garbage etc.
Please! Someone at Penn, nip round to his office and steal that shovel he uses! He used to be an embarrassment, now he seems to be the Kings Fool!
It’s kind of like someone complaining of their stolen goods being stolen from them.
martin mason says:
the difference between the moon and earth doesn’t demonstrate the greenhouse effect only that one planet has an atmosphere and one doesn’t.
No, the difference IS the greenhouse effect. It exists on Earth because it has an atmosphere. The mechanism is very straight forward. The maximum daily temperature is lower on Earth because of convection. The minimum nighttime temperature is higher because of back radiation.
What happens on Mars can also be said to demonstrate that there is no radiative greenhouse effect.
Most people don’t understand that 5,000 ppm of CO2 on Mars contains fewer molecules per unit volume than 32 ppm of CO2 on Earth because of the difference in pressure.
5,000 ppm * 6.36 mb/1014 mb = 31.4 ppm on Earth
Merely comparing concentrations leads to bad conclusions.
Gail, thanks for the mammoth link, excellent.
Pete H says:December 5, 2011 at 7:36 am
Duke C. says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Michael Mann unleashes another rant in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article
That link goes to page not found…
Lord Stern makes noises, says he should have exaggerated even more, it’s worse than we thought, climate change is like lung cancer. Grantham Institute; an asylum.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576638562614095404.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Richard Sharpe says:
December 4, 2011 at 3:34 pm
So, if a doubling of CO2 causes a 3K rise in temperature, what does that do to the energy loss the earth experiences?
As the planet heats up it expands and thus gets nearer the sun which in turn heats it up further. Oh no another positive fedback mechanism! It’s thermal runaway! We are all doomed.
The full link to Mann’s WSJ piece is:
Duke C. says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Good evening all-
Michael Mann unleashes another rant in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068211662483248.html
The comments are priceless!!
@ur momisugly Steve Keohane says:
December 5, 2011 at 9:04 am
Andrew Gunther and Bill Weismann are being busy little bees at WSJ trolling the comments. They’ve added about 10 unfounded ‘refutations’ of the comments critical and Mann and Global Warming in the last few minutes. Interesting to watch trolls working in tandem on another website. And I note at Forbes one troll has accused the Climategate 2.0 release as being the work of an advertising agency, for how else have ‘millions’ of e-mails been so quickly cherry-picked unless the ‘deniers’ have received funding from a powerful agency.
Arggh, I mean ‘critical of Mann…” , and the Forbes comments are at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2011/12/02/climategate-ii-an-open-letter-to-the-director-of-the-national-center-for-atmospheric-research/4/
The offending one is by russellseitz.
Blade says: December 5, 2011 at 5:47 am
Gail Combs [December 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm] says:
http://www.grahamkendall.net/Unsorted_files-2/A312-Frozen_Mammoths.txt
Smokey [December 4, 2011 at 8:20 pm] says:
Your link on Mammoths was fascinating. Thanks for that thought provoking article.
Ditto that. I wonder if there exists a web formatted version with the tables and photos.
Ditto. Have emailed him.
re: Mammoths not having oil glands in their skin; Wikipedia says they do.
I left this at Forbes
kim2ooo 3 minutes ago
russellseitz You mean a PR group like Realclimate’s Environmental Media Service – Fenton Communication released the emails taxpayers paid for?
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Richard Clemenzi;
Actually, that 5,000 ppm is an Earth-equivalent pressure comparison. The ppm re Mars’ own atmosphere is very close to 1,000,000 since virtually the entire atmosphere is CO2.