I’m a little burned out after nearly two weeks of covering Climategate 2.0, plus my children are demanding that I put up Christmas lights on the house. So, I’m taking the rest of the day off though may do an update late tonight when I do my regular late night forecast updates for radio stations.
In the meantime…
Talk quietly amongst yourselves about anything that we normally cover here. Don’t make me come back here.
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W*T H*L*B*T says:
December 4, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Iceland might blow up soon.
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Earthquake wise it has looked a lot worse. http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/
Close up http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/myrdalsjokull/
My Open Thread contribution. Take it with a grain of salt. But, maybe…
Smokey, tusk tusk. I don’t know about woolly mammoths but I fish with woolly buggers.
DirkH
Funny, as a former Segway employee I actually know the guy riding/driving it in that video. Good guy, though he does burn (sunburn) pretty much anytime between dawn and sunset.
W*T H*L*B*T says:
December 4, 2011 at 2:49 pm
> Iceland might blow up soon.
And a meteor might hit my house soon.
On what do you base your claim? I make a daily check on both Katla at http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/myrdalsjokull/ and El Hierro: in the Canary Is. at http://earthquake-report.com/2011/09/25/el-hierro-canary-islands-spain-volcanic-risk-alert-increased-to-yellow/ in my estimation, the risk of something interesting is greater at El Hierro, though things are not likely to explode.
While Katla might blow up, there will be plenty of Iceland left behind.
Smokey says:
December 4, 2011 at 4:18 pm
“My Open Thread contribution. Take it with a grain of salt. But, maybe…”
Oh great, another threatened species we will have to take care for…
crosspatch says:
December 4, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I’l still working out a carol in reply to Trenberth’s “Our First Nobel”. I think it is going to go something like “Do you smell what I smell?”
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When ever I read about Trenberth’s “Our First Nobel” I think of the rooster winning the No Bell prize and Pullet Surprize. http://www.emmitsburg.net/humor/archives/groaners/groaner_15.htm
@ur momisugly crosspatch. Yeah I know, I read the link you posted a few hours ago. 😉 I was trying to be pithy and glib mate. (my sense humour is cr@ur momisuglyp, must try harder).
Been thinking about the more general concepts of Liberal/Conservative Progressive/regressive over the weekend as a result of Rich Halls Road movie documentary. where he used the Regressive term. And then shortly afterwards, on Beavis and Butthead, a video of something titled “Living off the grid” where they had to worship the larger of the clams the group ate because those were the elders of the clams.
I know political discussions aren’t really wanted around here, and rightfully so. But no worries I’m not going down that particular road.
But the Warmists are self defined “Progressives” but I find it very ironic that their idea of progression is in many ways to regress to the point in our history where we lived in the woods and worshiped nature like druids.
“Don’t make me come back here.”
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Umm,
there is no stopping us now, Anthony 🙂
The CV was funny. If it came in for one of the slots I was on the hiring committee for, I might even have called them for an interview just to see how funny it would be.
I don’t know why they are even trying on the mammoth. They will never be able to get a viable breeding population with just ONE genetic example. Inbreeding is one thing, but this simply would not work. Why are they wasting the money and research time for something that will not “bring back” the mammoth, but only create a side show freak for the entertainment of a few.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682611002872
New paper that backs up Svensmark.
“A shared frequency set between the historical mid-latitude aurora records and the global surface temperature”
“We show that a harmonic constituent model based on the major astronomical frequencies revealed in the aurora records and deduced from the natural gravitational oscillations of the solar system is able to forecast with a reasonable accuracy the decadal and multidecadal temperature oscillations from 1950 to 2010 using the temperature data before 1950, and vice versa. The existence of a natural 60-year cyclical modulation of the global surface temperature induced by astronomical mechanisms, by alone, would imply that at least 60–70% of the warming observed since 1970 has been naturally induced. Moreover, the climate may stay approximately stable during the next decades because the 60-year cycle has entered in its cooling phase.”
Gail Combs says: December 4, 2011 at 1:37 pm
“………. This from an older article (8/10/2011) in Forbes.”
I found this passage in the Forbes article of particular interest:
“Isn’t this the person who scornfully froze out Bill Clinton in the 2000 presidential campaign due to Clinton’s personal misconduct? Nowadays, it is hard to tell the difference between an Al Gore global warming lecture and two delinquent teenagers hanging out in the woods at night, smoking weed and drinking booze pilfered from their parents’ liquor cabinets.”
This was written in early August. Perhaps Donna noticed the “two delinquent teenagers” in the final stage of her writing??
30% of American farmers are beyond retirement age.
Average age of American farmers is 58 years.
Forget “climate change”, the real impact to our food is going to come from old age.
The reference to my above comment on farmers comes from:
http://flavormagazinevirginia.com/young-farmers/
Smokey says:
December 4, 2011 at 4:18 pm
My Open Thread contribution. Take it with a grain of salt. But, maybe…
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I am sure they want to clone several and then turn them loose in the USA.
They have been quitely turning wolves and Jaguars loose on the east coast. The Jags are “Black” (melanistic) so the sightings are passed off as “inaccurate” Someone here in North Carolina caught a pick-up truck with a pair for release at a burger joint (he looked under the tarp and got the surprise of his life.) Several people I know have spotted them in my area.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2009/02/21/us-jaguar-idUKTRE51K02620090221
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Return_of_the_Jaguar.html
http://www.easterncougar.org/newltr_pdf/crfnew_May11.pdf
http://www.vancnews.com/articles/2008/12/31/warrenton/opinion/opinion03.txt
“Pleistocene Rewilding”
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/barlow.html
http://www.rewilding.org/pleistocene_rewilding.html
http://advancedconservation.org/library/donlan_etal_2006.pdf
Loss of America’s farmers is a real problem unless the science of farming can keep up.So far they’ve done pretty good, but we all should be concerned about the future. Wow-so many things to be concerned about. Once again the leaves have covered my yard-somehow I’m not concerned.
Ok you can lay off the Iceland thing now. I WAS trying to be humorous. See the nice long posts before mine? I just thought I’d shove in a little short one. Jeez.
Owen says:
December 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm
…..I don’t know why they are even trying on the mammoth. They will never be able to get a viable breeding population with just ONE genetic example. Inbreeding is one thing, but this simply would not work. Why are they wasting the money and research time for something that will not “bring back” the mammoth, but only create a side show freak for the entertainment of a few.
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I think there is a lot more viable DNA than what they are mentioning. http://www.grahamkendall.net/Unsorted_files-2/A312-Frozen_Mammoths.txt
I was going to only post the first link for the scientists who read Open Thread Weekend. But that particular folder had some other interesting items, so…
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http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/scienceladies.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3QqO8EXd-II/TNPFY8NTp4I/AAAAAAAA5tQ/hy0B0ozS06A/s1600/hors.jpg
http://moonbattery.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/power-plants-epa-will-close.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/orwellpix-thumb1.jpg
http://oregonmag.com/GovWorkForce.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/bullshitdecoderring1.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/carnatikon1.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/ATT000011.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/goodadvice.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E1EXVkpEmtU/Sx_cYy0ysdI/AAAAAAAAAA4/kqXa0Tbsauw/s1600-h/automotivator-4.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/555/it6i9ciu3h.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/DDT2.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9Bx0L3n3uAo/TRCvEowuo6I/AAAAAAAAIk8/HJhVEVR6ew4/s1600/stopglobalwarming.jpg
G-Wiz
tokyoboy says:
December 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm
“………. This from an older article (8/10/2011) in Forbes.”
Nowadays, it is hard to tell the difference between an Al Gore global warming lecture and two delinquent teenagers hanging out in the woods at night, smoking weed and drinking booze pilfered from their parents’ liquor cabinets.”
This was written in early August. Perhaps Donna noticed the “two delinquent teenagers” in the final stage of her writing??
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It is certainly possible. The “Occupy Wall Street Crowd” (pro CAGW) certainly fit the description.
“…hanging out in the park at night, smoking weed, drinking booze and generally trashing the place…” And these are the people who want us to believe they are concerned for the environment???
I’m a little burned out after nearly two weeks of covering Climategate 2.0, plus my children are demanding that I put up Christmas lights on the house.
Can we have a photo…please.
Will they be like the white house in this funny photo?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=207324402677543&set=a.209683975774919.50507.192591077484209&type=1&theater
KV says:
December 4, 2011 at 2:43 pm
“. . . west coast radiation levels.
Assuming you mean radiation from Fukushima reaching the North American west coast
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/fukushima-radiation-in-the-sea/story-fn6bqphm-1226198419555
For fun– look up ‘BED’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose
On the other hand, if you are interested in issues – consider:
In the USA, cantaloupes produced about 30 deaths from Listeriosis.
And in Germany it was organic bean sprouts – 35 dead, 100 with severe kidney damage, and more than 3,200 ill.
New Zealand ETS scheme under threat ??
According to an article in the Sunday Star Times (NZ) of 4 December, the New Zealand ETS and carbon credits arrangements could be under major threat.
http://tinyurl.com/6lsx7yh
I have sometime mused that cAGW may finally fail, not through some undeniable scientific “proof” – but should rather wither and die from simple economic realities.
Some too have suggested that the NZ scheme for carbon credits is “just in case” it is needed on the world stage (we are heavily dependent on our export markets) and in particular, to keep in with the Aussies, our nearest largish market. Now if there was to be a reality check just across the ditch, maybe both schemes would be put on ice and eventually disbanded.
Here is hoping
normb
Philip Bradley says:
December 4, 2011 at 2:42 pm
2. Stern Review, 2007, Section 3.2, page 63:
“Climate change will have serious consequences for people who depend heavily on glacier meltwater to maintain supplies during the dry season, including large parts of the Indian sub-continent, over quarter of a billion people in China, and tens of millions in the Andes. (Barnett et al., 2005)”
Go to p. 8 at this link:
Stern was being deliberately deceptive. Barnett says the water supply will be negatively affected (by an unquantified amount), not the people.
Barnett is also saying the dependence of hundreds of millions of people in China and India is on the water supply, not the glacial melt.
Stern is being further deceptive by saying ” will have serious consequences for people who depend heavily on glacier meltwater to maintain supplies during the dry season”, because the dry season is the winter when there is, for practical purposes, no glacial melt. Stern’s statement is literally true, because the number of people who depend heavily on Himalayan glacier meltwater to maintain supplies during the dry season is zero.
As I’ve understood it, glaciers form and/or grow when annual snowfall exceeds melt + sublimation.
Thus, even if temperatures increased so that snow melt exceeded snowfall and even if this continued until the glaciers had completely melted, would this represent anything but essentially the same equilibrium as when the glaciers were in stasis?
The source of the moisture is not local and there’s no assertion that there will be less snowfall.
So what if all of the annual snowfall melts every year. That’s how it works in my neighborhood; that’s how I’ve seen it work in the California Sierra Nevada (yes, I know that there are glaciers in the Sierras but in most areas, the snow melts completely each year, albeit, in June or July).
To be sure, this does not rule out the possibility of important second order effects from a loss of glacial cover but that is hardly the same as the breathless reporting that water supplies are in peril.
Anyway, that’s what I think.