Open thread weekend

I’m a little burned out after nearly two weeks of covering Climategate 2.0, plus my children are demanding that I put up Christmas lights on the house. So, I’m taking the rest of the day off though may do an update late tonight when I do my regular late night forecast updates for radio stations.

In the meantime…

Talk quietly amongst yourselves about anything that we normally cover here. Don’t make me come back here.

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cui bono
December 4, 2011 12:09 pm

It’s interesting how initial truth is eventually replaced by increasing error.
Adam Smith got it right, before Marx, Keynes and innumerable others got it wrong.
Hubert Lamb got it right (with the MWP and the LIA) before others came and obliterated it all with an avalanche of trash, cheered on by the nattering nabobs of nihilism in the eco-activist groups.
Sometimes it helps to revisit First Principles.

richard
December 4, 2011 12:19 pm

after a splendid years work,
Happy Christmas Mr Watts.

ThePowerofX
December 4, 2011 12:26 pm

[Using multiple screen names violate site Policy. ~dbs, mod.]

December 4, 2011 12:34 pm

Good for your kids!!
Be careful on the ladder.

Richard Sharpe
December 4, 2011 12:53 pm

John Kehr, in the inconvenient SKEPTIC: A Comprehensive Guide to the Earth’s Climate determines in chapter 12 that a doubling of CO2 would cause approximately a 0.1C increase in the atmosphere’s temperature.
The book is worth reading. If someone else does not review it, I will.

Toto
December 4, 2011 1:03 pm

According to
http://www.3news.co.nz/Ex-UN-climate-chief-Yvo-de-Boer-Talks-are-rudderless/tabid/1160/articleID/235250/Default.aspx
“Ex-UN climate chief Yvo de Boer” says:

You’ve got a bunch of international leaders sitting 85 stories up on the edge of a building saying to each other, you jump first and I’ll follow. And there is understandably a reluctance to be the first one to jump

He thinks they should all jump!

DirkH
December 4, 2011 1:06 pm

BBC College of Journalism. This seems to be their indoctrination department. The following video has a guest lecturer who explains to the BBC journos the correlation (or “link”, as we call it these days) between rising temperatures and violent conflict.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/journalism/blog/2011/11/video-alejandro-litovsky—rep.shtml

Roger Knights
December 4, 2011 1:06 pm

Three Strikes Against the IPCC’s Asia Group
(Summary: This post points out the cherry picking of quotations by the IPCC’s Asia group to spice up its widely publicized claim that 3/4 of a billion Asians were at risk of water shortages from glacier-melt.)
Here’s a bone for the gang to gnaw on and flesh out (to mangle a metaphor). I haven’t fully researched the matter, but what I’ve noticed is intriguing.
During a dispute with one of the one-star Amazon-reviewers (T. Bruner) of Donna Laframboise’s Delinquent Teenager book about the IPCC, I wrote:

“She [DL] wrote, at Location 763 in Chapter 14: ‘When the IPCC declared that three-quarters of a billion people in India and China depend on glaciers for their water supply, is it not strange that its only source for this claim was the Stern review?’ The link she supplied there takes one to that section of the IPCC report, 10.4.2, where one can see the single citation for oneself, as I have done.”
(My exchange with T. Bruner starts on the 5th comments page of his review, linked to below, but the most relevant material is on the 6th page. http://www.amazon.com/review/R3D6YKUGYE4WA0/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg5?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2983WIRKIRW6A&cdPage=5&asin=B005UEVB8Q&store=digital-text&cdThread=TxO5HUAZSS2GUT#wasThisHelpful )

Bruner pointed out that the Stern Review in turn had cited, as its authority for that statement, Barnett et al., which, unlike Stern, was a peer-reviewed and before-the-deadline publication. He added that the Fresh Water Group had cited Barnett alone, in Section 3.4.3 (of AR4).
This made me wonder: Why had the Asia group taken the risk of violating the IPCC’s rules by citing Stern alone? Wouldn’t citing Barnett in addition, or instead, have been prudent?
It’s unlikely that the group hadn’t been aware of the Barnett paper, given that it was cited by Stern, and given its relevance, recency, and prominent & prestigious source, which could be found in Stern’s bibliography:

Barnett, T.P., J.C, Adam, and D.P. Lettenmaier (2005): ‘Potential impacts of a warming climate on water availability in snow-dominated regions’, Nature 438: 303-309

So this relevant, recent, and prestigiously published primary source, Nature, which all contributors had access to in their libraries, was omitted in favor of citing a gray, secondary, after-the-deadline (2007, hence unpublished per the IPCC’s rules) source. (It’s not cited anywhere in the Asia Group’s chapter, per its References section.)
Why? Let’s get started by looking at what the two sources and the Asia Group said. I’ve emphasized the most pertinent passages. (h/t to T. Bruner for the quotes.):

1. Barnett et al., as summarized by the Fresh Water Group, in AR4 WGII Section 3.4.3:
“Hence, water supply in areas fed by glacial melt water from the Hindu Kush and Himalayas, on which hundreds of millions of people in China and India depend, will be negatively affected (Barnett et al., 2005).”
Go to 5th paragraph, last sentence, here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch3s3-4-3.html
2. Stern Review, 2007, Section 3.2, page 63:
“Climate change will have serious consequences for people who depend heavily on glacier meltwater to maintain supplies during the dry season, including large parts of the Indian sub-continent, over quarter of a billion people in China, and tens of millions in the Andes. (Barnett et al., 2005)”
Go to p. 8 at this link: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/Chapter_3_How_climate_change_will_affect_people_around_the_world_.pdf
4. Asia Group, in AR4 WGII Section 10.4.2.1:
“Climate change-related melting of glaciers could seriously affect half a billion people in the Himalaya-Hindu-Kush region and a quarter of a billion people in China who depend [unqualified] on glacial melt for their water supplies (Stern, 2007).”
Go to the second paragraph, second sentence, here: http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-4-2.html

Strike one: If the Asia group had cited Barnett at all it would have exposed its claims about three-quarters of a billion and “seriously affected” as being hyperbole. (Barnett et al. had used the less-exaggerated, less-alarmist words, “hundreds of millions” and “negatively affected.”) It’s not a big leap to infer that that was the motive for its omission. What other motive could there have been?
(“Hundreds of millions” suggests the lower end of the one-hundred-million-to-one-billion range. If Barnett et al. had had three-quarters of a billion in mind when they wrote “hundreds of millions,” they’d likely have indicated that they were thinking of the upper part of the range by saying something like “over a half-billion” or “many hundreds of millions.”)
Strike two: The Asia Group lied by omission by omitting Stern’s key qualification, “during the dry season.” Including it would have muted the alarmist impact of their sentence. It’s not a big leap to infer that that was the motive for its omission. What other motive could there have been?
Strike three: The Asia Group’s gray-lit-backed claim of a 2035 melt-by date now looks likely to be a similarly culpable instance of cherry-picking in the service of alarmist hyperbole, rather than clueless unfamiliarity with the dynamics of glaciers. They were likely knaves, not fools, in other words.
One reason it’s “likely” is the context provided by the two “strikes” above. Another reason is the context provided by their refusal to correct the error in their 2035 melt-by date when reviewers pointed it out to them, and their turning a deaf ear to Dr. Georg Kaser’s subsequent attempts to have it corrected.
(I’m skeptical of the IPCC’s excuse that Kaser sent his first complaint to the wrong department—wouldn’t they have forwarded it?—and that his second letter wasn’t received—a “likely story.” It seems more likely to me that the group couldn’t possibly admit to ignoring his letters—so it didn’t.)
Strike four: The three strikes above suggest that the IPCC has been infected by gang-of-green alarmism. The IPCC’s apologists have spun a deceptive damage-control message about the 2035 error by attributing it to ignorance, not malice—to cluelessness, not culpability. In the context of the deceptive pattern described above, that’s hard to believe.
Obviously, it would be awkward for the IPCC if the second interpretation gained traction, because that would raise the questions, “Where did the gangrene start?”, “How far has it spread?”, “Is amputation needed?”, and “Or maybe a mercy killing?”.
Paging Dr. Kevorkian!
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For a brief history of Himalaya-gate, see my comment here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/17/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-real-climate-scientist-dr-ray-pierrehumbert/#comment-683880

December 4, 2011 1:19 pm
DirkH
December 4, 2011 1:19 pm

Electric car that topples over when it runs out of juice 😉 (SegWay with cabin)

DirkH
December 4, 2011 1:20 pm

Oh – I missed the tiny helper wheels… My, these inventors, they think of everything!

Gail Combs
December 4, 2011 1:33 pm

Roger Knights says:
December 4, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Three Strikes Against the IPCC’s Asia Group…..
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Nice summary of Himalaya-gate http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/17/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-real-climate-scientist-dr-ray-pierrehumbert/#comment-683880
How anyone can read all the information put together and not see the corruption and deceit is beyond me.
And that bring up the point, IF CAGW is true, why all the deceit and name calling and turf protection?

Gail Combs
December 4, 2011 1:37 pm

To add a bit of levity to a gray December day. This from an older article (8/10/2011) in Forbes.

New Rasmussen Poll Sends Al Gore Into Meltdown
A new Rasmussen poll shows the American public trusts the objectivity and credibility of impassioned global warming “scientists” about as much as used car salesmen, and boy is Al Gore ticked. If Michele Bachmann is Newsweek‘s Queen of Rage, Al Gore must be America’s potty-mouthed King of Bizarre Temper Tantrums….
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/08/10/new-rasmussen-poll-sends-al-gore-into-meltdown/

Howard B
December 4, 2011 1:38 pm

We too have Christmas lights to finish. We’re just waiting for the next chinook to roll through.
Have a good one AW.

H.R.
December 4, 2011 1:40 pm

If anyone (NH) gets a lump of coal in their stocking this Christmas, keep it. You may find yourself grateful to have it in January. Brrrrrrrr!!!
As for the Aussies, it looks like all their coal is headed to China. They will have to be really, really, really bad if they are to have a hope of getting a lump of coal ;o)

DirkH
December 4, 2011 1:44 pm

Roger Knights says:
December 4, 2011 at 1:06 pm
“Three Strikes Against the IPCC’s Asia Group”
The funniest part is that the IPCC report contains a table of glaciers and the speed with which they retreat or grow. ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE 2035 DATE!
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-6-2.html
The only part they left out is the length of the glaciers; in the case of the Gangotri, for instance, 30km. So obviously nobody of them ever did this mental exercise called “computing” where you divide a length by a yearly distance to get an estimate of the number of years that have to pass until the thing is gone. This is, as the media repeatedly told us, the Gold Standard of climate science, and serves as the blueprint for all future international scientific collaborations under the UN.
Arithmetics is not one of their strong points, though, it seems. I would love to peek over the shoulder of a climate modeler to see whether those guys are any better!

Beesaman
December 4, 2011 1:45 pm

Is it me or does it sound like Richard Black is either gloating over this report or trying to goad non-alarmists with it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16022585
Odd how he’s not opening his BBC blogs up for debate at the moment!

Gail Combs
December 4, 2011 1:53 pm

James Taylor has another goodie over at Forbes:

Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debateover 11/23/2011
…..Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures…..

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

….More damaging emails will likely be uncovered during the next few days as observers pour through the 5,000 emails. What is already clear, however, is the need for more objective research and ethical conduct by the scientists at the heart of the IPCC and the global warming discussion.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/

Looks like our work here is getting out to at least one major Mag.

December 4, 2011 1:54 pm

I hope they are solar powered LCD lights.

Owen
December 4, 2011 1:56 pm

HR,
While we may need it, the nanny-staters would be by to arrest us before the heat reached the rest of the house. You know how “evil” coal burning is, why we might even be tried for genocide.

Gail Combs
December 4, 2011 2:01 pm

DirkH says:
December 4, 2011 at 1:44 pm
The funniest part is that the IPCC report contains a table of glaciers and the speed with which they retreat or grow. ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE 2035 DATE!….
So obviously nobody of them ever did this mental exercise called “computing” where you divide a length by a yearly distance to get an estimate of the number of years that have to pass until the thing is gone. This is, as the media repeatedly told us, the Gold Standard of climate science, and serves as the blueprint for all future international scientific collaborations under the UN.
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The ultimate example of why we REALLY REALLY need to get rid of the United Nations and just watch old Three Stooges movies instead. Twice as funny and does a lot less damage to the world economy.

December 4, 2011 2:22 pm

A few interesting quotes from Climategate 1.0 for Open Thread Weekend:
http://sites.google.com/site/globalwarmingquestions/climategate

Gail Combs
December 4, 2011 2:29 pm

Beesaman says:
December 4, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Is it me or does it sound like Richard Black is either gloating over this report or trying to goad non-alarmists with it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16022585
Odd how he’s not opening his BBC blogs up for debate at the moment!
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Goading.
He is not opening comments because he does not want quotes from the new e-mails showing how the BBC was colluding with dishonest PSYCientists to promote alarmism.
If someone finds just the right e-mail the BBC could be in really deep doo doo and Black would be under the whole pile.

DirkH
December 4, 2011 2:32 pm

Electric car that can (and does!) topple over sideways.

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