Thank you, Matt Ridley

Required reading.

UPDATE: Matt Ridley has graciously allowed me to repost his speech in entirety here. It follows below. If there’s one speech about the climate debate worth reading in your lifetime, this is it. Andrew Montford of Bishop Hill has also formatted the speech into a PDF file, with an improved version, better graphics, A5 format for printing by Mike Haesler here Ridley_RSA (PDF)  suitable for emailing, printing, and snail mail. Distribute both as widely as possible. The lecture was delivered with slides, Dr. Ridley has sent me the ones he considers key, and I have inserted them . For background on this prestigious lecture, here is the lecture web page, and here is what RSA is all about and the history since 1754.

It is a great honour to be asked to deliver the Angus Millar lecture.

I have no idea whether Angus Millar ever saw himself as a heretic, but I have a soft spot for heresy. One of my ancestral relations, Nicholas Ridley* the Oxford martyr, was burned at the stake for heresy.

My topic today is scientific heresy. When are scientific heretics right and when are they mad? How do you tell the difference between science and pseudoscience?

Let us run through some issues, starting with the easy ones.

  • Astronomy is a science; astrology is a pseudoscience.
  • Evolution is science; creationism is pseudoscience.
  • Molecular biology is science; homeopathy is pseudoscience.
  • Vaccination is science; the MMR scare is pseudoscience.
  • Oxygen is science; phlogiston was pseudoscience.
  • Chemistry is science; alchemy was pseudoscience.

Are you with me so far?

A few more examples. That the earl of Oxford wrote Shakespeare is pseudoscience. So are the beliefs that Elvis is still alive, Diana was killed by MI5, JFK was killed by the CIA, 911 was an inside job. So are ghosts, UFOs, telepathy, the Loch Ness monster and pretty well everything to do with the paranormal. Sorry to say that on Halloween, but that’s my opinion.

Three more controversial ones. In my view, most of what Freud said was pseudoscience.

So is quite a lot, though not all, of the argument for organic farming.

So, in a sense by definition, is religious faith. It explicitly claims that there are truths that can be found by other means than observation and experiment.

Now comes one that gave me an epiphany. Crop circles*.

It was blindingly obvious to me that crop circles were likely to be man-made when I first starting investigating this phenomenon. I made some myself to prove it was easy to do*.

This was long before Doug Bower and Dave Chorley fessed up to having started the whole craze after a night at the pub.

Every other explanation – ley lines, alien spacecraft, plasma vortices, ball lightning – was balderdash. The entire field of “cereology” was pseudoscience, as the slightest brush with its bizarre practitioners easily demonstrated.

Imagine my surprise then when I found I was the heretic and that serious journalists working not for tabloids but for Science Magazine, and for a Channel 4 documentary team, swallowed the argument of the cereologists that it was highly implausible that crop circles were all man-made.

So I learnt lesson number 1: the stunning gullibility of the media. Put an “ology” after your pseudoscience and you can get journalists to be your propagandists.

A Channel 4 team did the obvious thing – they got a group of students to make some crop circles and then asked the cereologist if they were “genuine” or “hoaxed” – ie, man made. He assured them they could not have been made by people. So they told him they had been made the night before. The man was poleaxed. It made great television. Yet the producer, who later became a government minister under Tony Blair, ended the segment of the programme by taking the cereologist’s side: “of course, not all crop circles are hoaxes”. What? The same happened when Doug and Dave owned up*; everybody just went on believing. They still do.

Lesson number 2: debunking is like water off a duck’s back to pseudoscience.

In medicine, I began to realize, the distinction between science and pseudoscience is not always easy.  This is beautifully illustrated in an extraordinary novel by Rebecca Abrams, called Touching Distance*, based on the real story of an eighteenth century medical heretic, Alec Gordon of Aberdeen.

Gordon was a true pioneer of the idea that childbed fever was spread by medical folk like himself and that hygiene was the solution to it. He hit upon this discovery long before Semelweiss and Lister. But he was ignored. Yet Abrams’s novel does not paint him purely as a rational hero, but as a flawed human being, a neglectful husband and a crank with some odd ideas – such as a dangerous obsession with bleeding his sick patients. He was a pseudoscientist one minute and scientist the next.

Lesson number 3. We can all be both. Newton was an alchemist.

Like antisepsis, many scientific truths began as heresies and fought long battles for acceptance against entrenched establishment wisdom that now appears irrational: continental drift, for example. Barry Marshall* was not just ignored but vilified when he first argued that stomach ulcers are caused by a particular bacterium. Antacid drugs were very profitable for the drug industry. Eventually he won the Nobel prize.

Just this month Daniel Shechtman* won the Nobel prize for quasi crystals, having spent much of his career being vilified and exiled as a crank. “I was thrown out of my research group. They said I brought shame on them with what I was saying.”

That’s lesson number 4: the heretic is sometimes right.

What sustains pseudoscience is confirmation bias. We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory; we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it. We all do this all the time. It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in. I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it. That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions.

Bertrand Russell* pointed this out many years ago: “If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.”

Lesson number 5: keep a sharp eye out for confirmation bias in yourself and others.

There have been some very good books on this recently. Michael Shermer’s “The Believing Brain”, Dan Gardner’s “Future Babble” and Tim Harford’s “Adapt”* are explorations of the power of confirmation bias. And what I find most unsettling of all is Gardner’s conclusion that knowledge is no defence against it; indeed, the more you know, the more you fall for confirmation bias. Expertise gives you the tools to seek out the confirmations you need to buttress your beliefs.

Experts are worse at forecasting the future than non-experts.

Philip Tetlock did the definitive experiment. He gathered a sample of 284 experts – political scientists, economists and journalists – and harvested 27,450 different specific judgments from them about the future then waited to see if they came true. The results were terrible. The experts were no better than “a dart-throwing chimpanzee”.

Here’s what the Club of Rome said on the rear cover of the massive best-seller Limits to Growth in 1972*:

“Will this be the world that your grandchildren will thank you for? A world where industrial production has sunk to zero. Where population has suffered a catastrophic decline. Where the air, sea and land are polluted beyond redemption. Where civilization is a distant memory. This is the world that the computer forecasts.”

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts”, said Richard Feynman.

Lesson 6. Never rely on the consensus of experts about the future. Experts are worth listening to about the past, but not the future. Futurology is pseudoscience.

Using these six lessons, I am now going to plunge into an issue on which almost all the experts are not only confident they can predict the future, but absolutely certain their opponents are pseudoscientists. It is an issue on which I am now a heretic. I think the establishment view is infested with pseudoscience. The issue is climate change.

Now before you all rush for the exits, and I know it is traditional to walk out on speakers who do not toe the line on climate at the RSA – I saw it happen to Bjorn Lomborg last year when he gave the Prince Philip lecture – let me be quite clear. I am not a “denier”. I fully accept that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, the climate has been warming and that man is very likely to be at least partly responsible. When a study was published recently saying that 98% of scientists “believe” in global warming, I looked at the questions they had been asked and realized I was in the 98%, too, by that definition, though I never use the word “believe” about myself. Likewise the recent study from Berkeley, which concluded that the land surface of the continents has indeed been warming at about the rate people thought, changed nothing.

So what’s the problem? The problem is that you can accept all the basic tenets of greenhouse physics and still conclude that the threat of a dangerously large warming is so improbable as to be negligible, while the threat of real harm from climate-mitigation policies is already so high as to be worrying, that the cure is proving far worse than the disease is ever likely to be. Or as I put it once, we may be putting a tourniquet round our necks to stop a nosebleed.

I also think the climate debate is a massive distraction from much more urgent environmental problems like invasive species and overfishing.

I was not always such a “lukewarmer”. In the mid 2000s one image in particular played a big role in making me abandon my doubts about dangerous man-made climate change: the hockey stick*. It clearly showed that something unprecedented was happening. I can remember where I first saw it at a conference and how I thought: aha, now there at last is some really clear data showing that today’s temperatures are unprecedented in both magnitude and rate of change – and it has been published in Nature magazine.

Yet it has been utterly debunked by the work of Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick. I urge you to read Andrew Montford’s careful and highly readable book The Hockey Stick Illusion*. Here is not the place to go into detail, but briefly the problem is both mathematical and empirical. The graph relies heavily on some flawed data – strip-bark tree rings from bristlecone pines — and on a particular method of principal component analysis, called short centering, that heavily weights any hockey-stick shaped sample at the expense of any other sample. When I say heavily – I mean 390 times.

This had a big impact on me. This was the moment somebody told me they had made the crop circle the night before.

For, apart from the hockey stick, there is no evidence that climate is changing dangerously or faster than in the past, when it changed naturally.

  • It was warmer in the Middle ages* and medieval climate change in Greenland was much faster.
  • Stalagmites*, tree lines and ice cores all confirm that it was significantly warmer 7000 years ago. Evidence from Greenland suggests that the Arctic ocean was probably ice free for part of the late summer at that time.
  • Sea level* is rising at the unthreatening rate about a foot per century and decelerating.
  • Greenland is losing ice at the rate of about 150 gigatonnes a year, which is 0.6% per century.
  • There has been no significant warming in Antarctica*, with the exception of the peninsula.
  • Methane* has largely stopped increasing.
  • Tropical storm* intensity and frequency have gone down, not up, in the last 20 years.
  • Your probability* of dying as a result of a drought, a flood or a storm is 98% lower globally than it was in the 1920s.
  • Malaria* has retreated not expanded as the world has warmed.

And so on. I’ve looked and looked but I cannot find one piece of data – as opposed to a model – that shows either unprecedented change or change is that is anywhere close to causing real harm.

No doubt, there will be plenty of people thinking “what about x?” Well, if you have an X that persuades you that rapid and dangerous climate change is on the way, tell me about it. When I asked a senior government scientist this question, he replied with the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. That is to say, a poorly understood hot episode, 55 million years ago, of uncertain duration, uncertain magnitude and uncertain cause.

Meanwhile, I see confirmation bias everywhere in the climate debate. Hurricane Katrina, Mount Kilimanjaro, the extinction of golden toads – all cited wrongly as evidence of climate change. A snowy December, the BBC lectures us, is “just weather”; a flood in Pakistan or a drought in Texas is “the sort of weather we can expect more of”. A theory so flexible it can rationalize any outcome is a pseudoscientific theory.

To see confirmation bias in action, you only have to read the climategate emails, documents that have undermined my faith in this country’s scientific institutions. It is bad enough that the emails unambiguously showed scientists plotting to cherry-pick data, subvert peer review, bully editors and evade freedom of information requests. What’s worse, to a science groupie like me, is that so much of the rest of the scientific community seemed OK with that. They essentially shrugged their shoulders and said, yeh, big deal, boys will be boys.

Nor is there even any theoretical support for a dangerous future. The central issue is “sensitivity”: the amount of warming that you can expect from a doubling of carbon dioxide levels. On this, there is something close to consensus – at first. It is 1.2 degrees centigrade. Here’s* how the IPCC put it in its latest report.

“In the idealised situation that the climate response to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 consisted of a uniform temperature change only, with no feedbacks operating…the global warming from GCMs would be around 1.2°C.” Paragraph 8.6.2.3.

Now the paragraph goes on to argue that large, net positive feedbacks, mostly from water vapour, are likely to amplify this. But whereas there is good consensus about the 1.2 C, there is absolutely no consensus about the net positive feedback, as the IPCC also admits. Water vapour forms clouds and whether clouds in practice amplify or dampen any greenhouse warming remains in doubt.

So to say there is a consensus about some global warming is true; to say there is a consensus about dangerous global warming is false.

The sensitivity of the climate could be a harmless 1.2C, half of which has already been experienced, or it could be less if feedbacks are negative or it could be more if feedbacks are positive. What does the empirical evidence say? Since 1960 we have had roughly one-third of a doubling, so we must have had almost half of the greenhouse warming expected from a doubling – that’s elementary arithmetic, given that the curve is agreed to be logarithmic. Yet if you believe the surface thermometers* (the red and green lines), we have had about 0.6C of warming in that time, at the rate of less than 0.13C per decade – somewhat less if you believe the satellite thermometers (the blue and purple lines).

So we are on track for 1.2C*.  We are on the blue line, not the red line*.

Remember Jim Hansen of NASA told us in 1988 to expect 2-4 degrees in 25 years. We are experiencing about one-tenth of that.

We are below even the zero-emission path expected by the IPCC in 1990*.

Ah, says the consensus, sulphur pollution has reduced the warming, delaying the impact, or the ocean has absorbed the extra heat. Neither of these post-hoc rationalisations fit the data: the southern hemisphere has warmed about half as fast as the northern* in the last 30 years, yet the majority of the sulphur emissions were in the northern hemisphere.

And ocean heat content has decelerated, if not flattened, in the past decade*.

By contrast, many heretical arguments seem to me to be paragons of science as it should be done: transparent, questioning and testable.

For instance, earlier this year, a tenacious British mathematician named Nic Lewis started looking into the question of sensitivity and found* that the only wholly empirical estimate of sensitivity cited by the IPCC had been put through an illegitimate statistical procedure which effectively fattened its tail on the upward end – it hugely increased the apparent probability of high warming at the expense of low warming.

When this is corrected, the theoretical probability of warming greater than 2.3C is very low indeed.

Like all the other errors in the IPCC report, including the infamous suggestion that all Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035 rather than 2350, this mistake exaggerates the potential warming. It is beyond coincidence that all these errors should be in the same direction. The source for the Himalayan glacier mistake was a non-peer reviewed WWF report and it occurred in a chapter, two of whose coordinating lead authors and a review editor were on WWF’s climate witness scientific advisory panel. Remember too that the glacier error was pointed out by reviewers, who were ignored, and that Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, dismissed the objectors as practitioners of “voodoo science”.

Journalists are fond of saying that the IPCC report is based solely on the peer-reviewed literature. Rajendra Pachauri himself made that claim in 2008, saying*:

“we carry out an assessment of climate change based on peer-reviewed literature, so everything that we look at and take into account in our assessments has to carry [the] credibility of peer-reviewed publications, we don’t settle for anything less than that.”

That’s a voodoo claim. The glacier claim was not peer reviewed; nor was the alteration to the sensitivity function Lewis spotted. The journalist Donna Laframboise got volunteers all over the world to help her count the times the IPCC used non-peer reviewed literature. Her conclusion is that*: “Of the 18,531 references in the 2007 Climate Bible we found 5,587 – a full 30% – to be non peer-reviewed.”

Yet even to say things like this is to commit heresy. To stand up and say, within a university or within the BBC, that you do not think global warming is dangerous gets you the sort of reaction that standing up in the Vatican and saying you don’t think God is good would get. Believe me, I have tried it.

Does it matter? Suppose I am right that much of what passes for mainstream climate science is now infested with pseudoscience, buttressed by a bad case of confirmation bias, reliant on wishful thinking, given a free pass by biased reporting and dogmatically intolerant of dissent. So what?

After all there’s pseudoscience and confirmation bias among the climate heretics too.

Well here’s why it matters. The alarmists have been handed power over our lives; the heretics have not. Remember Britain’s unilateral climate act is officially expected to cost the hard-pressed UK economy £18.3 billion a year for the next 39 years and achieve an unmeasurably small change in carbon dioxide levels.

At least* sceptics do not cover the hills of Scotland with useless, expensive, duke-subsidising wind turbines whose manufacture causes pollution in Inner Mongolia and which kill rare raptors such as this griffon vulture.

At least crop circle believers cannot almost double your electricity bills and increase fuel poverty while driving jobs to Asia, to support their fetish.

At least creationists have not persuaded the BBC that balanced reporting is no longer necessary.

At least homeopaths have not made expensive condensing boilers, which shut down in cold weather, compulsory, as John Prescott did in 2005.

At least astrologers have not driven millions of people into real hunger, perhaps killing 192,000 last year according to one conservative estimate, by diverting 5% of the world’s grain crop into motor fuel*.

That’s why it matters. We’ve been asked to take some very painful cures. So we need to be sure the patient has a brain tumour rather than a nosebleed.

Handing the reins of power to pseudoscience has an unhappy history. Remember eugenics. Around 1910 the vast majority of scientists and other intellectuals agreed that nationalizing reproductive decisions so as to stop poor, disabled and stupid people from having babies was not just a practical but a moral imperative of great urgency.

“There is now no reasonable excuse for refusing to face the fact,” said George Bernard Shaw*, “that nothing but a eugenics religion can save our civilization from the fate that has overtaken all previous civilizations.’’ By the skin of its teeth, mainly because of a brave Liberal MP called Josiah Wedgwood, Britain never handed legal power to the eugenics movement. Germany did.

Or remember Trofim Lysenko*, a pseudoscientific crank with a strange idea that crops could be trained to do what you wanted and that Mendelian genetics was bunk. His ideas became the official scientific religion of the Soviet Union and killed millions; his critics, such as the geneticist Nikolai Vavilov, ended up dead in prison.

Am I going too far in making these comparisons? I don’t think so. James Hansen of NASA says oil firm executives should be tried for crimes against humanity.  (Remember this is the man who is in charge of one of the supposedly impartial data sets about global temperatures.) John Beddington, Britain’s chief scientific adviser, said this year that just as we are “grossly intolerant of racism”, so we should also be “grossly intolerant of pseudoscience”, in which he included all forms of climate-change scepticism.

The irony of course is that much of the green movement began as heretical dissent. Greenpeace went from demanding that the orthodox view of genetically modified crops be challenged, and that the Royal Society was not to be trusted, to demanding that heresy on climate change be ignored and the Royal Society could not be wrong.

Talking of Greenpeace, did you know that the collective annual budget of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth was more than a billion dollars globally last year? People sometimes ask me what’s the incentive for scientists to exaggerate climate change. But look at the sums of money available to those who do so, from the pressure groups, from governments and from big companies. It was not the sceptics who hired an ex News of the World deputy editor as a spin doctor after climategate, it was the University of East Anglia.

By contrast scientists and most mainstream journalists risk their careers if they take a skeptical line, so dogmatic is the consensus view. It is left to the blogosphere to keep the flame of heresy alive and do the investigative reporting the media has forgotten how to do. In America*, Anthony Watts who crowd-sourced the errors in the siting of thermometers and runs wattsupwiththat.com;

In Canada*, Steve McIntyre, the mathematician who bit by bit exposed the shocking story of the hockey stick and runs climateaudit.org.

Here in Britain,* Andrew Montford, who dissected the shenanigans behind the climategate whitewash enquiries and runs bishop-hill.net.

In Australia*, Joanne Nova, the former television science presenter who has pieced together the enormous sums of money that go to support vested interests in alarm, and runs joannenova.com.au.

The remarkable thing about the heretics I have mentioned is that every single one is doing this in his or her spare time. They work for themselves, they earn a pittance from this work. There is no great fossil-fuel slush fund for sceptics.

In conclusion, I’ve spent a lot of time on climate, but it could have been dietary fat, or nature and nurture. My argument is that like religion, science as an institution is and always has been plagued by the temptations of confirmation bias. With alarming ease it morphs into pseudoscience even – perhaps especially – in the hands of elite experts and especially when predicting the future and when there’s lavish funding at stake. It needs heretics.

Thank you very much for listening.

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Septic Matthew
November 2, 2011 10:45 am

Matt Ridley does not provide a definition of “pseudoscience”, and I am skeptical that one exists. Phlogiston theory was not originally “pseudoscience” but was replaced by better science, “caloric theory” and then better science still, chemistry and thermodynamics.
Eugenics began as science, and so did AGW. If the IPCC and other promoters of AGW have turned into “pseudoscientists” it’s because they credulously ignore or patch over the limitations of their knowledge.
Matt Ridley’s talk reminds me of the religious admonition: We are all sinners. We don’t always appreciate it, and we for sure do not like when it is pointed out to us by others, but we are all sinners. I expect that we are all “pseudoscientists” about somethings, without the ability to see for ourselves where.
Back to AGW promoters, and especially back to the promoters of expensive building and wealth transfer schemes, it isn’t a good idea to call them “pseudoscientists” or the knowledge base “pseudoscience”, because there is so much solid knowledge. But it is necessary to highlight biased selection of evidence, false reports, exaggerated claims (e.g. how fast the Earth will warm up and the seas will rise if CO2 is warming the atmosphere), and shortcomings in the knowledge.

DirkH
November 2, 2011 10:47 am

meemoe_uk says:
November 2, 2011 at 8:27 am
“This casual misuse of the word ‘science’ smacks of how AGWer’s use it to rubber stamp all their dogma. And it bugs me in the same way as when I open a student science book, >99% of the contents is study of verified hypotheses. Students ( i.e. most today ) brought up on a diet of such books have little idea of the explorative nature of science. i.e. Every idea they read in their student book is the right idea. ”
Very important comment, meemoe! Thanks!

munroad
November 2, 2011 10:48 am

Churchill’s “End of the Beginning” speech related to the victory at El Alamein in 1942, not D day.

UK Marcus
November 2, 2011 10:56 am

If all the experts are so clever, how come the world is in such a mess?

Robert Christopher
November 2, 2011 10:58 am

meemoe_uk says on November 2, 2011 at 8:27 am
“Yes, you seem to be substituting the words ‘science’ for ‘correct’ and ‘pseudoscience’ for ‘discredited’
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No one else here cares? Not suprised. Since you’re all the My education was rooted in not questioning >99% of the science stuff I was taught, because I was told it was truth sort !”
Well I do, but I said my bit over at Bishophill last night!
As Dave Springer points out (Nov 2, 2011 at 7:14 am), about evolution, for “an Oxford don who earned PhD in zoology 25 years ago then immediately abandoned the practice of science to instead become a science jounalist certainly knew what he was doing when he threw out that bit of meat.”
I agree; so why the distraction? In fact why so many distractions? Most have nothing to do with climate science.
Matt does not seem to have much grasp of the other topics that he mentioned, many mentioned without any factual discussion to support his claims, and with many illogical comparisons made. Either he doesn’t know what science is or what pseudo means.
Why do so many think that he has enough standing to make any favourable impression on any listener?

November 2, 2011 11:09 am

Jim Cripwell says: But Matt Ridley still thinks there is a scientific justification for a surface temperature rise of 1.2 C for a doubling of CO2. There is no scientific way to convert a change of radiative forcing to a change of surface temperature…
Sure there is, at least with “ballpark” accuracy. Fire up MODTRAN, calculate the predicted output for 300 ppm (pre-anthropogenic), 400 ppm (current), and 600 ppm (doubled) CO2 levels. (Leave the other parameters alone.)
300 ppm -> 288.880 W / m^2
400 ppm -> 287.561 W / m^2
600 ppm -> 285.709 W / m^2
Now, with CO2 = 600 ppm, by trial and error, adjust ground temperature offset upward until output intensity is back up to 288.880 W / m^2. The required temperature rise to balance the additional CO2 is 0.89 C (a bit less than Ridley’s 1.2 C, but certainly “in the ballpark”).
You can do the same thing at 400 ppm, and get 0.36 C, or (as Ridley noted) nearly half the temperature rise to be expected from doubling CO2 from 300 ppm to 600 ppm.
I think that’s the “few tenths of a degree” that Lindsen was talking about:
“Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll back of the industrial age.”
-Dr. Richard Lindzen (Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, MIT)

November 2, 2011 11:18 am

Just seemed a rehash of a few of many talking points posted daily around the interweb with an added alarmism about what will happen if pollution is not allowed to continue unfettered. Perhaps someone can point out anything which is the final nail in the AGW coffin.
REPLY: We’ll also point out when you have a point. Why not leave here? You contribute nothing but negativism. And truly, you aren’t “sceptical” at all, but rather one who is dismissive and closed minded, snarking from that position with cracks like ” Perhaps someone can point out anything which is the final nail in the AGW coffin.”
How sad for you. – Anthony

Marion
November 2, 2011 11:24 am

Wow…..like wow!!!
My awed thanks to Matt Ridley.
He did his ancestor proud!!

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 2, 2011 11:31 am

Sun Spot says:
November 2, 2011 at 10:33 am
Wrong, I never said religion is bizarre, I said, “I’ll never understand how someone can believe something with absolutely no evidence at all, just a irrational and illogical belief that it is so.” ‘Religion’ itself is an absurdity.
And you’re wrong again about religion ‘falling under the arts’! Religion is ALWAYS classed among myths and beliefs – NEVER art.
And wrong again in grouping religion with music. I can prove Pink Floyd exists. I can prove that there is religious belief, but the believers cannot prove anything about the base of their religion.
I like Dawkins, but Peter Atkins is my hero. You’ll probably have to Google his name, I suspect.

Joel K
November 2, 2011 11:31 am

@The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley\
The biggest thing that makes people question or change beliefs isn’t research, or facts, or experimentation, but experiences. Religious belief and reinforcement comes from subjective experience, not objective and largely arrogant observations by folks such as yourself. Objectively, there is very little proof of the supernatural, especially when you take a wholly naturalistic approach to every subject. One exception being the many double blind studies on the effects of prayer on the sick, those with high blood pressure, seeds, and bacterial cultures.
However, objective observation is not the only method by which humans gain knowledge. Knowledge is ultimately personal, observations subjective. And it is through subjective experiences that faith is often renewed. Miracles do happen, small and large. And many people, myself included, believe because we have a personal experience with God.

Steve Garcia
November 2, 2011 11:33 am

Springer November 2, 2011 at 5:23 am:

Zac says:
November 1, 2011 at 6:02 pm

“Evolution is science; creationism is pseudoscience.”
>No. Evolution is a theory, Creationism is a belief.

No. Evolution is a creation myth. Biblical creationism is a creation myth. Neither can be reproduced or falsified. Both are faith-based beliefs. Neither is rational.

I have two reactions:
First, if neither one is more than a myth, it is about time we went about finding out what really happened. Matt Ridley would almost certainly point at their work as pseudo-science, but some alternative researchers argue that humans were intentionally genetically modified by aliens. Whether the researchers are correct or not, some of their arguments are worth looking at, if only to reject them afterward. (But scientists to their discredit often do not even look at things before labeling them wrong or frauds.) Yet SOMETHING is the truth about how we came about, and if neither evolution (as it applies to human, especially) nor Genesis is true fact, then research into other possibilities seems reasonable. I lean that way, while noting that the current level of “alternate” research is inadequate. (…which is true for evolution, too – else why are even Creationists able to punch so many holes in it?)
Second, anyone who reads about the history of science in the 1800s is aware of how much they wanted to distance themselves from religion. It was a VERY fundamentalist era, for one thing. But also, until Agassiz came along with his ice age idea from his study of glaciers in the Jura Alps, they were spinning their wheels. Then he got together with Lyell, who absconded with it as the last piece of his gradualism/uniformitarianism – in a way that the young Agassiz did not agree with, but for career reasons went along with, This was very nearly the exact time when Darwin was still on The Beagle.
ALL of it was intended to just get them the hell away from the Christian Bible. (Archeology was, in fact, begun by rich religious European Anglo-Saxon males, out to prove the literal truth of the Bible. In not being able to do so, it has become absorbed into the uniformitarian viewpoint, and thus admitted into science as an “-ology”.) Agassiz’ ice age (later to become multiple such ages) was the piéce de resitance, as it had a plausible explanation for the erratic boulders, striated rocks, and ubiquitous evidence of something moving things on a nearly continental scale. They needed this badly, as Noah’s Flood seemed to be supported by the catastrophic evidence all around them. Ever since, science has invested deep, deep roots in this uniformitarian and gradualist foundation.
The Younger-Dryas Impact event, the dinosaur killer, Gene Shoemaker’s world-wide craters, the Rio Cuarto craters, and the impact of all those Shoemaker-Levy/9 cometary fragments on Jupiter in 1994 – all have given us evidence that perhaps something other than gradualism and uniformitarianism is at work on the planet Earth.
The odd thing is that their actually ARE accounts of humans about such events as impacts – IN the Holocene. Archeologists have universally put them off as mumbo-jumbo “fear of the gods” stories told around campfires. But anyone who wants to look into it can find tales of what happens when “the stars were falling.” I recommend Ed Grondine’s “Man and impact in the Americas” (self published) as a starting point. After reading it, I am persuaded that something big has hit – recently – and that this is the reason for “end of the world” tales all over the world. And if something like that happened, it implies an abbreviated, interrupted human history. If thinking that makes me a pseudo-scientist, then so be it.
Today’s “alternative researches” are today’s heretics, as spelled out by Ridley, yet even if what they are doing is labeled “pseudoscience” right now, there might be a gem or two in there somewhere. Some are doing solid works, such as Grondine, and so is Christopher Dunn with his work on ancient Egyptian technology. And what are we to think of that skull that Lloyd Pye is working on, the one with a cranium with the very low density and with the hardness of tooth enamel (not to mention the eyes, and the skull shape which are most often wrongly put off as hydrocephaly)? Most scientissts won’t touch that with a ten-foot pole. But why not? Why don’t they do tests on it (like he is trying to do) and prove it is a normal human with an unfortunate deformity, instead of ignoring it except to call it deformity – without ever having even looked at it? It is unscientific to pass judgment without looking at the evidence. “Knowing” it is a fraud is just like “knowing” there is global warming.
Some of their work is quite a bit beyond the frontiers of science, as scientists will readily tell you. And their work is held under a much tougher light than, say, CAGW or the ozone hole. I, for one, find their work intriguing.
Science as a discipline is not just the filling in of the particulars, since – as they tell us all the time – “all the big ideas are now known,” so “Step away, please, there is nothing to see here.” There really are anomalies out there, even if crop circles aren’t part of them. Until science stops sweeping disagreeable phenomena under the carpet, science itself is pseudoscience. And as long as they do that sweeping, someone else has to look under that carpet.
CAGW has been a bit of that – declaring something to be fact and then a falling back to a lot of name-calling and cherry-picking (which is a form of sweeping disagreeable facts under the carpet) in order to bolster their arguments. If they can’t stand to look at ALL the facts, all the data, and if they can’t stand to have people want to see their data and methodology, how can anyone else accept them as honest brokers of fact and reality?
It does seem appropriate to think of climate scientists as pseudoscientists, doesn’t it?

highflight56433
November 2, 2011 12:03 pm

Excellent writing. There is a common thread in those who are “religiously” nailed to pseudo stuff. Their brain is as waterproof as the duck back. It is all about their belief. When the mirror tells the truth, there is something wrong with the mirror, not them.

Greg
November 2, 2011 12:04 pm

Great speech by Ridley, followed by a comments section that pretty much reinforces why CAGW skeptics are often easily dismissed as flat-earthers….

November 2, 2011 12:09 pm

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley says:
November 2, 2011 at 11:31 am
“I can prove that there is religious belief, but the believers cannot prove anything about the base of their religion.”
I disagree. Since, I believe in science and its basic laws I must accept that by the First Law of Thermodymanics matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed. As this is so and I accept this then it follows that the universe was created by ….. I’ll calll him God for the lack of a better term.

November 2, 2011 12:13 pm

Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley, I think you’re suffering from the “all I have is a hammer” syndrome: If all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. You’ll do just fine when you encounter real nails, but not as well when you encounter wood screws, and very poorly indeed when you encounter tubes of glue.
Science is a tool. More specifically, it is the application of the Scientific Method to discover knowledge about the physical world.
Now the Scientific Method is a very excellent tool, but if it is the only tool in your toolbox, then you have a poorly equipped toolbox. The Method works very well for answering many kinds of questions, but not all kinds.
For example, consider trying to apply the Scientific Method to questions of beauty, such as “why is the sunset so beautiful?” or “why is there so much completely unnecessary beauty in the world?” It is like trying to unscrew a bolt with a hammer: you might knock it around a bit, but you’re unlikely to make much progress, because you’re using the wrong tool. That’s not what the Scientific Method is suited for.
How can you use the Scientific Method to answer a question like this one: “How did my consciousness come to reside in this particular body?” You can’t use the Method to answer questions like that, because it’s the wrong tool for the job.
Some people who have only one tool in their toolbox deny the very existence of problems for which their tool is not a good fit. They tend to get annoyed if you even ask such questions. That is irrational. There’s nothing wrong with those questions, it is only that they are unsuitable for the application of only tool those people have.
It is irrational to demand that the Scientific Method answer questions for which it is unsuited, just as it is irrational to demand that a person disbelieve things which he has learned by other means, such as his personal experiences, including one-time (irreproducible) experiences. For example, if you demand that a person who has traversed the Damascas Road deny the reality of Christ, he’s likely to laugh at you, because it is you who are being irrational, not him.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 2, 2011 12:19 pm

Joel K says:
November 2, 2011 at 11:31 am
Joel, I stand by my original statements – belief in something, anything, with no evidence whatsoever (indeed, much contrary evidence) is an absurd nonsense that is both irrational and illogical. You may call that (or me) arrogant if you wish, but it is so! Nothing you have written or could write could possibly change that truth.
Further, there is NO ‘proof’ of the supernatural – little or not.
And further, there are no proven documented cases of miracles EVER happening, small or large. Miracles cannot happen. If something happens it cannot be a miracle (look up the definition of the word).
The ‘personal experience’ anyone has with their god is akin to the personal experience of thought and dreams. All in the mind, not reality. The mind is very powerful. One’s mind can make one ill, seriously ill. And every day we witness that very practice at work – especially on Sundays.

coaldust
November 2, 2011 12:22 pm

P.F. says:
November 2, 2011 at 8:37 am
Zac says: Nov. 1, 2011 at 6:02 pm “No. Evolution is a theory, Creationism is a belief.”
No. Evolution is a well-established fact, like planets orbiting around the sun.

By science I assume you mean “natural science”. Science ignores the possibility of the supernatural, because it must. If you include the possibility of the supernatural in science, how can you know if some phenomenon occurs naturally or is caused by a supernatural influence? You cannot. Thus, the supernatural must be assumed to not exist. From there you can study the natural universe and come to conclusions concerning the natural universe. However, you cannot conclude anything about the possibility of supernatural influences, because to do so is circular reasoning (after assuming the supernatural does not exist you cannot make observations and use logic to conclude it does not exist). Thus, the natural sciences can only say: “If the earth and life arose naturally, it was by evolution”, and cannot say that they did not arise by creation. To do so would be outside the category “natural sciences”.
This means that the “theory” called “intelligent design” is not a theory of the natural sciences, and rightly belongs in the pseudoscience category.
It also means the evolution is NOT a fact, but is a theory of the natural sciences.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 2, 2011 12:25 pm

daveburton says:
November 2, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Dave, you skirt around one very simple fact that I appear to have to repeat ad nauseum; Belief in something for which you have no proof whatsoever, and indeed runs contray to evidence available… is irrational and totally illogical. I can believe that Father Christmas is real, I can believe that very strongly – in all its absurdity. Why can you not see that my belief has as much credibility and validity as believing that there is a supernatural god, that his son came to Earth, etc. etc. There is no difference at all. If you think my belief in Father Christmas is silly, well…

Edward McCann
November 2, 2011 12:28 pm

Being a physicist and a beliver in the God of the Bible I fancy the expanation given here:http://yadayahweh.com/Yada_Yahweh_Genesis_Hayah.YHWH
It shows through relativity that creation happened in 6 days in Gods perspective but 15 billion years or so in earth’s perspecvtive. So maybe both are correct.

November 2, 2011 12:29 pm

How do you tell the difference between science and pseudoscience?
So, in a sense by definition, is religious faith. It [pseudoscience] explicitly claims that there are truths that can be found by other means than observation and experiment.

Science does too.
All science, like all mathematics, starts with some set of assumptions or axioms, which can be called a belief system, or “faith” in many people’s vernacular. Some people erroneously call all such assumptions “truth”. A scientist believes certain things to be true, and he sets them out for all to consider and reference while he constructs arguments and generates conclusions about them.
The assumptions may or may not be true, but we can agree that his conclusions are correct or not even while we ignore the veracity of the assumptions.
Science products are generally considered acceptable when the assumptions upon which they are built are widely found to be close to experience, and when the products themselves are found to be valuable or useful.
Science and pseudoscience are not distinguished by the absence and presence of belief systems, or faith. Calling one “religious” faith and the other not is misleading by connotation, and adds nothing to the statement. The distinguishing characteristics are whether or not their respective assumptions are based on widely encountered or reproducible experience, and whether or not the conclusions drawn have any resemblance to reality.
Truth, by definition, exists apriori to the physical universe. You might say that it is the set of axioms for mathematics and assumptions in science that is the correct one in all situations and at all times. Either that, or truth does not exist.
Facts, on the other hand, are accurate recordings of observations made about the physical universe. At best, facts boost or tear down one’s confidence in his axioms or assumptions. They do not lead you to truth. All the facts in the world do not prove a single iota of truth, any more than they prove an axiom.
Pseudoscience is simply misrepresentation. Its assumptions and conclusions are not based in reality or observable fact. It is fraudulant, and usually crafted in such a way as to appropriate other people’s property or freedom.
Asserting that science finds “truth” is a misrepresentation of what science is. The assertion is a “pseudoscientific” statement itself. And the assertion ludicrously suggests that science is itself prophetical at best or God at worst.
With that said, it seems obvious that experience is no guarantee for truth, if truth exists.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 2, 2011 12:29 pm

mkelly says:
November 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm
If you do indeed believe in science, then you’ll already know that positive and negative energy are equal throughout the Universe – the Universe is nothing!
But you cannot prove anything about the ‘base’ of your religion – that there IS a god.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 2, 2011 12:33 pm

Edward McCann says:
November 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Then we have descended into Alice in Wonderland – words can mean whatever we want them to mean.

Edward McCann
November 2, 2011 12:42 pm

May not be Alice in Wonderland. Below is taken from the referenced site http://yadayahweh.com/Yada_Yahweh_Genesis_Hayah.YHWH
There are three timelines and three simultaneous narratives embedded in Bare’shiyth / Genesis one, but the brush strokes are much broader, bolder, and more complex. As is His custom, Yahuweh chooses His colors for a reason and shades each word with great precision. So we will honor the universal artist by examining His selections under the microscope of Hebrew lexicons and amplification. As is the format of these volumes, I will share the insights His Scripture and Spirit have revealed, connecting this painting to others the Master has drawn. If nothing else, my commentary will slow you down, causing you to reflect on the majesty of our Maker’s world and Word.
However, be forewarned: this chapter on “Existence” requires an additional layer of complexity in the midst of what is already an extremely challenging interwoven Scriptural tapestry. To comprehend the creative side of Yahuweh’s testimony, you will have to understand aspects of the theory of relativity, some physics, astronomy, biology, and evolution, as well as have some familiarity with the fossil record, statistical analysis, the concept of space-time, and the nature of light. I will do my best to provide the necessary insights for the uninitiated while not boring scientists or overwhelming those who have a limited interest in these discoveries. But no matter where you reside on the spectrum of contemporary scientific awareness, I beg your indulgence. What lies before you is challenging.
Before we begin, there is some good news. Yahuweh is correct. From His perspective it took precisely six twenty-four hour days to create the universe, our planet, life, and man. And scientists are right. Looking back from our perspective, the universe is somewhere between 10 and 20 billion years old. Yahweh is correct in that plants and animals reproduced after their kind and evolutionists are accurate in saying that some species have evolved. Yahweh not only agrees with the concept of the Big Bang, He was the first to use the term. God even uses scientific jargon in his presentation of dinosaurs, and in this regard His testimony is in complete harmony with the fossil record. Therefore, this scientific review of Bare’shiyth isn’t going to pit Creationism against Big Bang and Evolution, but instead demonstrate that they agree, right down to the details–at least where the facts are known and science is rational. The controversy only rages between the advocates of religion and secular humanists. God’s accounting and the facts are not in conflict, nor is Genesis contrary to valid science.

Stephen Richards
November 2, 2011 12:44 pm

Ishtar Babilu Dingir says:
November 2, 2011 at 10:26 am
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Editor
November 2, 2011 12:45 pm

Julian Braggins – Done. Either way [ie. if he’s right or if he’s wrong], it’s sad. IMHO being that abrasive and aggressively convinced of the perfectness of your own view is a lousy way to make a case.

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