Required reading.
UPDATE: Matt Ridley has graciously allowed me to repost his speech in entirety here. It follows below. If there’s one speech about the climate debate worth reading in your lifetime, this is it. Andrew Montford of Bishop Hill has also formatted the speech into a PDF file, with an improved version, better graphics, A5 format for printing by Mike Haesler here Ridley_RSA (PDF) suitable for emailing, printing, and snail mail. Distribute both as widely as possible. The lecture was delivered with slides, Dr. Ridley has sent me the ones he considers key, and I have inserted them . For background on this prestigious lecture, here is the lecture web page, and here is what RSA is all about and the history since 1754.
It is a great honour to be asked to deliver the Angus Millar lecture.
I have no idea whether Angus Millar ever saw himself as a heretic, but I have a soft spot for heresy. One of my ancestral relations, Nicholas Ridley* the Oxford martyr, was burned at the stake for heresy.
My topic today is scientific heresy. When are scientific heretics right and when are they mad? How do you tell the difference between science and pseudoscience?
Let us run through some issues, starting with the easy ones.
- Astronomy is a science; astrology is a pseudoscience.
- Evolution is science; creationism is pseudoscience.
- Molecular biology is science; homeopathy is pseudoscience.
- Vaccination is science; the MMR scare is pseudoscience.
- Oxygen is science; phlogiston was pseudoscience.
- Chemistry is science; alchemy was pseudoscience.
Are you with me so far?
A few more examples. That the earl of Oxford wrote Shakespeare is pseudoscience. So are the beliefs that Elvis is still alive, Diana was killed by MI5, JFK was killed by the CIA, 911 was an inside job. So are ghosts, UFOs, telepathy, the Loch Ness monster and pretty well everything to do with the paranormal. Sorry to say that on Halloween, but that’s my opinion.
Three more controversial ones. In my view, most of what Freud said was pseudoscience.
So is quite a lot, though not all, of the argument for organic farming.
So, in a sense by definition, is religious faith. It explicitly claims that there are truths that can be found by other means than observation and experiment.
Now comes one that gave me an epiphany. Crop circles*.
It was blindingly obvious to me that crop circles were likely to be man-made when I first starting investigating this phenomenon. I made some myself to prove it was easy to do*.
This was long before Doug Bower and Dave Chorley fessed up to having started the whole craze after a night at the pub.
Every other explanation – ley lines, alien spacecraft, plasma vortices, ball lightning – was balderdash. The entire field of “cereology” was pseudoscience, as the slightest brush with its bizarre practitioners easily demonstrated.
Imagine my surprise then when I found I was the heretic and that serious journalists working not for tabloids but for Science Magazine, and for a Channel 4 documentary team, swallowed the argument of the cereologists that it was highly implausible that crop circles were all man-made.
So I learnt lesson number 1: the stunning gullibility of the media. Put an “ology” after your pseudoscience and you can get journalists to be your propagandists.
A Channel 4 team did the obvious thing – they got a group of students to make some crop circles and then asked the cereologist if they were “genuine” or “hoaxed” – ie, man made. He assured them they could not have been made by people. So they told him they had been made the night before. The man was poleaxed. It made great television. Yet the producer, who later became a government minister under Tony Blair, ended the segment of the programme by taking the cereologist’s side: “of course, not all crop circles are hoaxes”. What? The same happened when Doug and Dave owned up*; everybody just went on believing. They still do.
Lesson number 2: debunking is like water off a duck’s back to pseudoscience.
In medicine, I began to realize, the distinction between science and pseudoscience is not always easy. This is beautifully illustrated in an extraordinary novel by Rebecca Abrams, called Touching Distance*, based on the real story of an eighteenth century medical heretic, Alec Gordon of Aberdeen.
Gordon was a true pioneer of the idea that childbed fever was spread by medical folk like himself and that hygiene was the solution to it. He hit upon this discovery long before Semelweiss and Lister. But he was ignored. Yet Abrams’s novel does not paint him purely as a rational hero, but as a flawed human being, a neglectful husband and a crank with some odd ideas – such as a dangerous obsession with bleeding his sick patients. He was a pseudoscientist one minute and scientist the next.
Lesson number 3. We can all be both. Newton was an alchemist.
Like antisepsis, many scientific truths began as heresies and fought long battles for acceptance against entrenched establishment wisdom that now appears irrational: continental drift, for example. Barry Marshall* was not just ignored but vilified when he first argued that stomach ulcers are caused by a particular bacterium. Antacid drugs were very profitable for the drug industry. Eventually he won the Nobel prize.
Just this month Daniel Shechtman* won the Nobel prize for quasi crystals, having spent much of his career being vilified and exiled as a crank. “I was thrown out of my research group. They said I brought shame on them with what I was saying.”
That’s lesson number 4: the heretic is sometimes right.
What sustains pseudoscience is confirmation bias. We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory; we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it. We all do this all the time. It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in. I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it. That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions.
Bertrand Russell* pointed this out many years ago: “If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.”
Lesson number 5: keep a sharp eye out for confirmation bias in yourself and others.
There have been some very good books on this recently. Michael Shermer’s “The Believing Brain”, Dan Gardner’s “Future Babble” and Tim Harford’s “Adapt”* are explorations of the power of confirmation bias. And what I find most unsettling of all is Gardner’s conclusion that knowledge is no defence against it; indeed, the more you know, the more you fall for confirmation bias. Expertise gives you the tools to seek out the confirmations you need to buttress your beliefs.
Experts are worse at forecasting the future than non-experts.
Philip Tetlock did the definitive experiment. He gathered a sample of 284 experts – political scientists, economists and journalists – and harvested 27,450 different specific judgments from them about the future then waited to see if they came true. The results were terrible. The experts were no better than “a dart-throwing chimpanzee”.
Here’s what the Club of Rome said on the rear cover of the massive best-seller Limits to Growth in 1972*:
“Will this be the world that your grandchildren will thank you for? A world where industrial production has sunk to zero. Where population has suffered a catastrophic decline. Where the air, sea and land are polluted beyond redemption. Where civilization is a distant memory. This is the world that the computer forecasts.”
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts”, said Richard Feynman.
Lesson 6. Never rely on the consensus of experts about the future. Experts are worth listening to about the past, but not the future. Futurology is pseudoscience.
Using these six lessons, I am now going to plunge into an issue on which almost all the experts are not only confident they can predict the future, but absolutely certain their opponents are pseudoscientists. It is an issue on which I am now a heretic. I think the establishment view is infested with pseudoscience. The issue is climate change.
Now before you all rush for the exits, and I know it is traditional to walk out on speakers who do not toe the line on climate at the RSA – I saw it happen to Bjorn Lomborg last year when he gave the Prince Philip lecture – let me be quite clear. I am not a “denier”. I fully accept that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, the climate has been warming and that man is very likely to be at least partly responsible. When a study was published recently saying that 98% of scientists “believe” in global warming, I looked at the questions they had been asked and realized I was in the 98%, too, by that definition, though I never use the word “believe” about myself. Likewise the recent study from Berkeley, which concluded that the land surface of the continents has indeed been warming at about the rate people thought, changed nothing.
So what’s the problem? The problem is that you can accept all the basic tenets of greenhouse physics and still conclude that the threat of a dangerously large warming is so improbable as to be negligible, while the threat of real harm from climate-mitigation policies is already so high as to be worrying, that the cure is proving far worse than the disease is ever likely to be. Or as I put it once, we may be putting a tourniquet round our necks to stop a nosebleed.
I also think the climate debate is a massive distraction from much more urgent environmental problems like invasive species and overfishing.
I was not always such a “lukewarmer”. In the mid 2000s one image in particular played a big role in making me abandon my doubts about dangerous man-made climate change: the hockey stick*. It clearly showed that something unprecedented was happening. I can remember where I first saw it at a conference and how I thought: aha, now there at last is some really clear data showing that today’s temperatures are unprecedented in both magnitude and rate of change – and it has been published in Nature magazine.
Yet it has been utterly debunked by the work of Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick. I urge you to read Andrew Montford’s careful and highly readable book The Hockey Stick Illusion*. Here is not the place to go into detail, but briefly the problem is both mathematical and empirical. The graph relies heavily on some flawed data – strip-bark tree rings from bristlecone pines — and on a particular method of principal component analysis, called short centering, that heavily weights any hockey-stick shaped sample at the expense of any other sample. When I say heavily – I mean 390 times.
This had a big impact on me. This was the moment somebody told me they had made the crop circle the night before.
For, apart from the hockey stick, there is no evidence that climate is changing dangerously or faster than in the past, when it changed naturally.
- It was warmer in the Middle ages* and medieval climate change in Greenland was much faster.
- Stalagmites*, tree lines and ice cores all confirm that it was significantly warmer 7000 years ago. Evidence from Greenland suggests that the Arctic ocean was probably ice free for part of the late summer at that time.
- Sea level* is rising at the unthreatening rate about a foot per century and decelerating.
- Greenland is losing ice at the rate of about 150 gigatonnes a year, which is 0.6% per century.
- There has been no significant warming in Antarctica*, with the exception of the peninsula.
- Methane* has largely stopped increasing.
- Tropical storm* intensity and frequency have gone down, not up, in the last 20 years.
- Your probability* of dying as a result of a drought, a flood or a storm is 98% lower globally than it was in the 1920s.
- Malaria* has retreated not expanded as the world has warmed.
And so on. I’ve looked and looked but I cannot find one piece of data – as opposed to a model – that shows either unprecedented change or change is that is anywhere close to causing real harm.
No doubt, there will be plenty of people thinking “what about x?” Well, if you have an X that persuades you that rapid and dangerous climate change is on the way, tell me about it. When I asked a senior government scientist this question, he replied with the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. That is to say, a poorly understood hot episode, 55 million years ago, of uncertain duration, uncertain magnitude and uncertain cause.
Meanwhile, I see confirmation bias everywhere in the climate debate. Hurricane Katrina, Mount Kilimanjaro, the extinction of golden toads – all cited wrongly as evidence of climate change. A snowy December, the BBC lectures us, is “just weather”; a flood in Pakistan or a drought in Texas is “the sort of weather we can expect more of”. A theory so flexible it can rationalize any outcome is a pseudoscientific theory.
To see confirmation bias in action, you only have to read the climategate emails, documents that have undermined my faith in this country’s scientific institutions. It is bad enough that the emails unambiguously showed scientists plotting to cherry-pick data, subvert peer review, bully editors and evade freedom of information requests. What’s worse, to a science groupie like me, is that so much of the rest of the scientific community seemed OK with that. They essentially shrugged their shoulders and said, yeh, big deal, boys will be boys.
Nor is there even any theoretical support for a dangerous future. The central issue is “sensitivity”: the amount of warming that you can expect from a doubling of carbon dioxide levels. On this, there is something close to consensus – at first. It is 1.2 degrees centigrade. Here’s* how the IPCC put it in its latest report.
“In the idealised situation that the climate response to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 consisted of a uniform temperature change only, with no feedbacks operating…the global warming from GCMs would be around 1.2°C.” Paragraph 8.6.2.3.
Now the paragraph goes on to argue that large, net positive feedbacks, mostly from water vapour, are likely to amplify this. But whereas there is good consensus about the 1.2 C, there is absolutely no consensus about the net positive feedback, as the IPCC also admits. Water vapour forms clouds and whether clouds in practice amplify or dampen any greenhouse warming remains in doubt.
So to say there is a consensus about some global warming is true; to say there is a consensus about dangerous global warming is false.
The sensitivity of the climate could be a harmless 1.2C, half of which has already been experienced, or it could be less if feedbacks are negative or it could be more if feedbacks are positive. What does the empirical evidence say? Since 1960 we have had roughly one-third of a doubling, so we must have had almost half of the greenhouse warming expected from a doubling – that’s elementary arithmetic, given that the curve is agreed to be logarithmic. Yet if you believe the surface thermometers* (the red and green lines), we have had about 0.6C of warming in that time, at the rate of less than 0.13C per decade – somewhat less if you believe the satellite thermometers (the blue and purple lines).
So we are on track for 1.2C*. We are on the blue line, not the red line*.
Remember Jim Hansen of NASA told us in 1988 to expect 2-4 degrees in 25 years. We are experiencing about one-tenth of that.
We are below even the zero-emission path expected by the IPCC in 1990*.
Ah, says the consensus, sulphur pollution has reduced the warming, delaying the impact, or the ocean has absorbed the extra heat. Neither of these post-hoc rationalisations fit the data: the southern hemisphere has warmed about half as fast as the northern* in the last 30 years, yet the majority of the sulphur emissions were in the northern hemisphere.
And ocean heat content has decelerated, if not flattened, in the past decade*.
By contrast, many heretical arguments seem to me to be paragons of science as it should be done: transparent, questioning and testable.
For instance, earlier this year, a tenacious British mathematician named Nic Lewis started looking into the question of sensitivity and found* that the only wholly empirical estimate of sensitivity cited by the IPCC had been put through an illegitimate statistical procedure which effectively fattened its tail on the upward end – it hugely increased the apparent probability of high warming at the expense of low warming.
When this is corrected, the theoretical probability of warming greater than 2.3C is very low indeed.
Like all the other errors in the IPCC report, including the infamous suggestion that all Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035 rather than 2350, this mistake exaggerates the potential warming. It is beyond coincidence that all these errors should be in the same direction. The source for the Himalayan glacier mistake was a non-peer reviewed WWF report and it occurred in a chapter, two of whose coordinating lead authors and a review editor were on WWF’s climate witness scientific advisory panel. Remember too that the glacier error was pointed out by reviewers, who were ignored, and that Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, dismissed the objectors as practitioners of “voodoo science”.
Journalists are fond of saying that the IPCC report is based solely on the peer-reviewed literature. Rajendra Pachauri himself made that claim in 2008, saying*:
“we carry out an assessment of climate change based on peer-reviewed literature, so everything that we look at and take into account in our assessments has to carry [the] credibility of peer-reviewed publications, we don’t settle for anything less than that.”
That’s a voodoo claim. The glacier claim was not peer reviewed; nor was the alteration to the sensitivity function Lewis spotted. The journalist Donna Laframboise got volunteers all over the world to help her count the times the IPCC used non-peer reviewed literature. Her conclusion is that*: “Of the 18,531 references in the 2007 Climate Bible we found 5,587 – a full 30% – to be non peer-reviewed.”
Yet even to say things like this is to commit heresy. To stand up and say, within a university or within the BBC, that you do not think global warming is dangerous gets you the sort of reaction that standing up in the Vatican and saying you don’t think God is good would get. Believe me, I have tried it.
Does it matter? Suppose I am right that much of what passes for mainstream climate science is now infested with pseudoscience, buttressed by a bad case of confirmation bias, reliant on wishful thinking, given a free pass by biased reporting and dogmatically intolerant of dissent. So what?
After all there’s pseudoscience and confirmation bias among the climate heretics too.
Well here’s why it matters. The alarmists have been handed power over our lives; the heretics have not. Remember Britain’s unilateral climate act is officially expected to cost the hard-pressed UK economy £18.3 billion a year for the next 39 years and achieve an unmeasurably small change in carbon dioxide levels.
At least* sceptics do not cover the hills of Scotland with useless, expensive, duke-subsidising wind turbines whose manufacture causes pollution in Inner Mongolia and which kill rare raptors such as this griffon vulture.
At least crop circle believers cannot almost double your electricity bills and increase fuel poverty while driving jobs to Asia, to support their fetish.
At least creationists have not persuaded the BBC that balanced reporting is no longer necessary.
At least homeopaths have not made expensive condensing boilers, which shut down in cold weather, compulsory, as John Prescott did in 2005.
At least astrologers have not driven millions of people into real hunger, perhaps killing 192,000 last year according to one conservative estimate, by diverting 5% of the world’s grain crop into motor fuel*.
That’s why it matters. We’ve been asked to take some very painful cures. So we need to be sure the patient has a brain tumour rather than a nosebleed.
Handing the reins of power to pseudoscience has an unhappy history. Remember eugenics. Around 1910 the vast majority of scientists and other intellectuals agreed that nationalizing reproductive decisions so as to stop poor, disabled and stupid people from having babies was not just a practical but a moral imperative of great urgency.
“There is now no reasonable excuse for refusing to face the fact,” said George Bernard Shaw*, “that nothing but a eugenics religion can save our civilization from the fate that has overtaken all previous civilizations.’’ By the skin of its teeth, mainly because of a brave Liberal MP called Josiah Wedgwood, Britain never handed legal power to the eugenics movement. Germany did.
Or remember Trofim Lysenko*, a pseudoscientific crank with a strange idea that crops could be trained to do what you wanted and that Mendelian genetics was bunk. His ideas became the official scientific religion of the Soviet Union and killed millions; his critics, such as the geneticist Nikolai Vavilov, ended up dead in prison.
Am I going too far in making these comparisons? I don’t think so. James Hansen of NASA says oil firm executives should be tried for crimes against humanity. (Remember this is the man who is in charge of one of the supposedly impartial data sets about global temperatures.) John Beddington, Britain’s chief scientific adviser, said this year that just as we are “grossly intolerant of racism”, so we should also be “grossly intolerant of pseudoscience”, in which he included all forms of climate-change scepticism.
The irony of course is that much of the green movement began as heretical dissent. Greenpeace went from demanding that the orthodox view of genetically modified crops be challenged, and that the Royal Society was not to be trusted, to demanding that heresy on climate change be ignored and the Royal Society could not be wrong.
Talking of Greenpeace, did you know that the collective annual budget of Greenpeace, WWF and Friends of the Earth was more than a billion dollars globally last year? People sometimes ask me what’s the incentive for scientists to exaggerate climate change. But look at the sums of money available to those who do so, from the pressure groups, from governments and from big companies. It was not the sceptics who hired an ex News of the World deputy editor as a spin doctor after climategate, it was the University of East Anglia.
By contrast scientists and most mainstream journalists risk their careers if they take a skeptical line, so dogmatic is the consensus view. It is left to the blogosphere to keep the flame of heresy alive and do the investigative reporting the media has forgotten how to do. In America*, Anthony Watts who crowd-sourced the errors in the siting of thermometers and runs wattsupwiththat.com;
In Canada*, Steve McIntyre, the mathematician who bit by bit exposed the shocking story of the hockey stick and runs climateaudit.org.
Here in Britain,* Andrew Montford, who dissected the shenanigans behind the climategate whitewash enquiries and runs bishop-hill.net.
In Australia*, Joanne Nova, the former television science presenter who has pieced together the enormous sums of money that go to support vested interests in alarm, and runs joannenova.com.au.
The remarkable thing about the heretics I have mentioned is that every single one is doing this in his or her spare time. They work for themselves, they earn a pittance from this work. There is no great fossil-fuel slush fund for sceptics.
In conclusion, I’ve spent a lot of time on climate, but it could have been dietary fat, or nature and nurture. My argument is that like religion, science as an institution is and always has been plagued by the temptations of confirmation bias. With alarming ease it morphs into pseudoscience even – perhaps especially – in the hands of elite experts and especially when predicting the future and when there’s lavish funding at stake. It needs heretics.
Thank you very much for listening.



He’s the author of the 2007 book, The Global Warming Delusion, here:
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2007/03/global-warming-delusion-by-richard.html
Jantar says:
November 3, 2011 at 1:47 am
“You have the Math back to front. Try to work out the probility of that “accident” of nature NOT happening. Only then can you see hown many millions of of times it is likely to happen.”
Been there, done that. Try reading the book “The Edge of Evolution: The Search for the Limits of Darwinism” by biochemistry prof Mike Behe.
http://www.amazon.com/Edge-Evolution-Search-Limits-Darwinism/dp/0743296206
He’s an old earth creationist, by the way. Catholic variety, as if that makes a difference. It examines what has actually been accomplished, observed not hypothetical accomplishments, in the way of genetic novelty by very intensely studied fast reproducers, HIV virus and P.falciparum in particular. Falciparum, the malaria parasite, is by far the most interesting and other than human beings is the most widely studied organism in the history of biology. Every single year more of these parasites are born, reproduce, and die than all the reptiles and all the mammals that ever lived. Their genomes are completely sequenced and the evolutionary response (or lack thereof) to intense selection pressures is examined in detail. Each reproductive event for these parasites is an opportunity to evolve. So we can compare what an organism in the real world actually accomplishes via random mutation & natural selection compared that to what is purported to have been accomplished as reptiles evolved into mammals. The comparison is a real eye opener for the few neo-Darwinian faithful who are open to actual data that conflicts with their brain-washed beliefs. For those of us who can do the math and assess the probabilistic capacity of RM+NS turning microbes into manatees there are no surprises.
Wow, let’s; pretend the climate’s a linear system and we can suggest with confidence that a century long trend will linearly extrapolate to “no problem this century”; pretend warming events in the early Holocene didn’t result in early civilisations collapsing; pretend all scientific theories are not models at their basest level; pretend that better methods of malaria control never happened. All is well. Not even a mention of ocean acidification, the 40% reduction in marine phytoplankton since the 1950s, or the stratosphere cooling while the troposphere warms which are completely in line with the theory. Even the quip about snowy weather and the BBC ignores the scientific literature demonstrating that more snowstorms happen in the contiguous USA during warmer years, when the BBC is not a scientific institution but seems to be an example of pseudoscience being practised in mainstream science.
A truly bizarre piece of willful blindness.
Galane says:
November 3, 2011 at 3:54 am
‘This guy needs a good debunking. http://www.skepticalscience.com/ He used to be a webcartoonist,….’
You clearly haven’t read the article. The pseudoscience of global warming needs debunking.
Excellent!
This essay is worth printing out and re-reading at least once a week.
D Johnson says:
November 2, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Oh well, at least I can be happy that most don’t disagree with his basic tenet that belief in CAGW is just that, a belief and not established science.
Amen, brother!
Oh, uh, oops.
🙂
@roger Knights says: November 3, 2011 at 5:18 am
He’s the author of the 2007 book, The Global Warming Delusion, here:
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2007/03/global-warming-delusion-by-richard.html
Roger, the on-line bookstores all seem to not know about this book, is this a hoax or for real ?
If it’s for real where can I get a copy ?
DesertYote says:
November 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm
“My particular favorite is the story of the carnivores.”
Well, as long as you call it a “story” I can’t really object. I prefer to call them narratives.
What intrigues me about carnivores, even the true obligates, is that they are removed from being omnivores by lack of a single digestive enzyme. And omnivores are removed from being herbivores simply by choice and availability of complete set of amino acids in plant materials. And they are typically removed from ruminants by lack of a second stomach.
Now anyone that knows beans about evolution knows it’s far easier for an organism to lose a gene than to gain one and genes lost are far more easily recovered than genes that were never had.
So how far, genetically speaking, is a lion that eats straw as an oxen, or a wolf that lies down with the lamb?
Well, for the wolf it’s pretty darn close. Artificial selection of wolves by humans in evolutinary eyeblink of time created livestock guard dogs that do indeed lie down with lambs. And most of who are dog owners know that our animals are not obligate carnivores but can survive quite as well as we can without meat in our diets. The lion eating straw is a bit farther away as it really needs a second stomach for that but it’s only one digestive enzyme away from not being an obligate carnivore.
What really gets me, in addition to the minor genetic difference between the omnivore and the obligate carnivore, is how quickly predatory animals can lose their prey instinct and live happily amongst other species cooperating with, protecting, and loving them instead of hunting and eating them. Often it takes no more effort than imprinting when the animal is young and innocent and hasn’t had a parent demonstrate hunting, killing, and eating the normal prey.
I’m not a bible literalist by any stretch of the imagination but my impressions and experience with many different mammals leads to me believe they aren’t very far removed, genetically speaking, from the supposed way they were created for the Garden of Eden, where there was no death or destruction and everything lived together in harmony. That was a real stretch of the imagination for people thousands of years ago but genetics has revealed it’s not really very far removed from the realm of possibility. Even death itself, barring accidents, might be avoided by a few simple things like telomere rebuidling and fail-safe apoptosis. So even immortality might not be something that was very easily lost and not so difficult to regain once you know exactly which mechanisms need fixing.
Just sayin…
A quick question, while I understand the limitations on the theory of evolution and agree with much of the criticism of said theory, I don’t see the science in creation science. What is the science of creationism? What makes belief in creation scientific?
BTW: This isn’t a trick question. The world is too wonderful to be a happy accident — but I recognize that as a belief, not a statement of fact.
For anyone interested enough to dig further and didn’t recognize the typo that should be apoptosis not apotosis in my previous missive. Apoptosis is programmed cell death. Mitochondria (an organelle in eukaryotic cells with its own bacteria-like DNA) typically monitor a cell for good health and initiate an auto-destruct sequence for unhealthy cells. Cancer cells, one way or another, have the apoptosis mechanism rendered inoperative. I wanted to make sure anyone googling for more information had the word spelled correctly.
Sirius, I didn’t know that Socrates spoke French!
BTW: WUWT regular Eduardo Ferreyra, has recently published a book on the climate scam:
“Clima Feroz” (in spanish) available also as pdf file:
http://www.lulu.com/product/tapa-blanda/clima-feroz/16050977
J Bowers says:
November 3, 2011 at 5:27 am
“Wow, let’s; pretend the climate’s a linear system and we can suggest with confidence that a century long trend will linearly extrapolate to “no problem this century”; pretend warming events in the early Holocene didn’t result in early civilisations collapsing;”
Wow. The “early Holocene” was 10,000 years ago (8000BC). What “civilizations” existed that long ago?
That’s a rhetorical question. Don’t try to answer it.
I think you might have watched the Flintstones one too many times when you were a chronologic child. Civilzation didn’t appear until the later Holocene circa 3000 BC with the early Egyptian dynasty. Humans were mobile hunter/gatherers before then. Myths like the Lost City of Atlantis aside there is no evidence of any civilzation in the early or even middle Holocene.
So stop making stuff up and get a clue.
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The speech is spot on except for the comment regarding problem invasive species, which at the risk of sounding heretical, is natural part of evolutionary force known as adaptive radiation. Although it is sometimes augmented by anthropogenic mechanisms, it is an essential feature of the continuing evolution of all life forms on our planet. I may be biased, being a resident of the US, as I am part of the invasive species who radiated out from Europe and Asia to find a niche in North America.
Nuke Nemesis says:
November 3, 2011 at 6:00 am
“What is the science of creationism? What makes belief in creation scientific?”
If the universe wasn’t created then how did it get here?
At some point most scientists believe in creation. That point is often some 14 billion years ago at the instant of the “Big Bang”. I’m willing to accept that until, if and when, I see convincing evidence to the contrary.
By law of entropy, unless you’re willing to throw out a fundamental law of thermodynamics or somehow import order into the universe from the outside, the universe is a closed system that came into existence (was created by some mechanism) 14 billion years ago, and must have contained all the order then that it contains now. This is a fundamental requirement of physics. Increases in order in a closed system are extremely improbable. Therefore all the order we observe in the universe today, including me and you and the library of congress, existed at the moment of creation and just fell together into the currrent form like a row of dominoes according to the laws of physics.
So my question, and I believe it is a perfectly legitimate inquiry into the nature of the universe (i.e. “science”), is where did that information come from? If science cannot answer it that’s fine but I don’t believe it proven that science cannot answer it. I go where the scientific (read empirical and logical) evidence leads and if the evidence leads to a brick wall where the only the only tenable explanation is a creator that’s definitionally outside the scope of observation then so be it. Right now, that’s where science leads me. There’s a brick wall at the instant of the big bang and all the information in the universe today just suddenly appeared. Theoretical physics boffins imagine a multiverse where there are such a large number of different universes, either serially or in parallel, that eventually and inevitably one must appear with initial conditions exactly like ours such that 14 billion years later here we are wondering about it.
An infinite number of universes doesn’t pass the giggle test for me nor do I believe it passes the Occam’s Razor test. The giggle test actually gets pretty comical. Have you heard of the Boltzmann Brain? It’s basically the theory that if there are an infinite number of universes then a small universe containing a single brain filled with false memories is far more likely than a huge complex universe with 6 billion brains. In other words it’s far more likely that my consciousness is the only one that exists and you are a figment of my imagination – a false memory being played like a video to my unsuspecting brain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
It’s that kind of silliness we get to when we insist that science must exclude by definition any act of special creation even when that explanation is the only one that’s reasonable.
I loved the article. The reference to ball lightning is wrong however.
I read where a group of scientists were coming back from a conference and a ball of lightning slowly floated the length of the airliner and they believed in it after that.
True story ? I don’t know.
My father talked about seeing it inside his home during a thunderstorm. It floated over to the copper screened window and dissipated.
“Dave Springer says:
November 3, 2011 at 4:22 am
It is valid to the degree that the discounted factors can alter the result. Whatever degree that might be is called bounding and it’s used to generate error bars.”
If the discounted factors not only alter the result, but dominate the estimation, and we dont know how much they alter the result, then the error bars could be huge; and the value quoted misleading and meaningless. Now, if someone were to claim that the no feedback climate sensitivity for a doubling of CO2 was 1.2 C -1.2C + 0 C, then I might go along with the estimation. But, on the other hand, might not.
I would love to know whether you believe that the lapse rate changes when adding CO2 supposedly increases surface temperatures.
1. Sun Spot says:
2. November 2, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Richard I agree.
I do not understand why religion and anti-religion have to be dragged kicking and screaming into questions of science.
It’s nice to see that Anthony has allowed the discussion to take place here that generally has been stimulated by Matt Ridley’s comment that “Evolution is science; creationism is pseudoscience.” Several months ago, I had a comment deleted by a moderator when I made a passing remark that included a reference to something or other being the case ‘depending on what one’s view is of how the universe came into being’, big bang or creation….or something like that (I don’t recall the exact topic). The moderator’s comment to me at the time was that this was a science forum and thus my comment was out of line with the direction of the site. I agree with earlier comments here that equate evolutionary and creation concepts that try to explain the origins of the universe as BOTH being theories as well as beliefs and it is from this perspective that I disagree with the moderator’s rationale for deleting my earlier comment. Very simply, neither can be proven to any degree that is compatible with the principles that science is all about ‘a hypothesis being advanced and tested empirically, the results being demonstrated to be reproducible and the hypothesis being accepted or rejected on this basis’. It is easily understandable that this forum could quickly be reduced to just another crevo debating club with each side presenting its theories and supporting ‘evidences’ that would be presented and countered back and forth…. and the real point and raison d’être of the website would be lost.
However, what is being discussed and debated is essentially ‘what is the real story with climate and who has the better understanding of it’. I would submit that any understanding of what is being grappled with in the here and now or any projections on what is forecast for the future is highly dependent on what one believes to be the case in the past…..and this naturally includes the topic of ‘origins’. For example, at the extremes one would assume that the if the planet was billions and billions of years old, climate would be far more stable than if one assumes a planet that is only 6,000 years old and somewhere along the line suffered a worldwide flood and thus is still advancing toward stability from a starting point of a few thousand years as opposed to a few billion…. and with this one simple example, the issue of ‘why religion and anti-religion have to be dragged kicking and screaming into questions of science’ becomes apparent.
Dave Springer says:
November 3, 2011 at 7:07 am
I go where the scientific (read empirical and logical) evidence leads and if the evidence leads to a brick wall where the only the only tenable explanation is a creator that’s definitionally outside the scope of observation then so be it. Right now, that’s where science leads me.
Exactly. As I stated to Mr. Ghost .. Cooley if you accept the basic laws of science like the first Law of Thermodynamics ie. creating/destroying matter/energy then you are stuck at what/who created the universe we see.
Even if you want to go to string theory you still get to what made the strings or branes etc. And if you accept large branes bumping into one another creating the universe then that blows the big bang idea that the universe was a point and nothing existed outside it.
Good work Mr. Springer.
Re: “Sun Spot , November 3, 2011 at 5:58 am
“@roger Knights says: November 3, 2011 at 5:18 am. He’s the author of the 2007 book, The Global Warming Delusion, here: http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2007/03/global-warming-delusion-by-richard.html
Roger, the on-line bookstores all seem to not know about this book, is this a hoax or for real ?
If it’s for real where can I get a copy ?”
It’s a joke; a take off of Dawkins’ book, “The God Delusion”.
Nuke Nemesis says:
November 3, 2011 at 6:00 am
“What is the science of creationism?
Creation is not an “ism”. It is a definition. To “create” is to bring something into existence that did not exist previously. “Ism” is appended as intentional distraction here as it is everywhere.
What makes belief in creation scientific?”
Nothing. That would be a contradiction in terms. The scientific method cannot deal with invisible things. Science is very limited when it comes to the things that really matter, the deep things in life – those things beyond trying to make a living as a scientist, e.g.
Likewise, there is nothing scientific about believing in the science we have and the assumptions upon which it is built. It just seems good, and produces lots of things that people find valuable.
There have been (and are) alternatives to the ‘Big Bang’ hypothesis, going back to the ’50s and the debate between George Gamow (Big Bang) and Fred Hoyle (Steady State). Maybe there was no beginning. A Steady State universe is unsatisfying to those of us reared with creation myths, but conceivably we are prisoners of our own blinkered concepts of Time.
In any case, it seems to me that the proper attitude of science when it comes to “a brick wall” is not to resort to a deus ex machina, but to scratch its head and say those “three little words” that a commenter cited earlier: “I don’t know.” A Universe with a finite beginning and a Creator may be one speculation, but it is only one, and not necessarily the best one.
For the empiricist, ‘belief’ is antithetical to science. Theists claim to have other sources of knowledge besides the scientific method, and so can leap over ‘brick walls’, and are free to believe whatever they want. The rest of us can only wonder what’s behind those walls, and keep poking away at them.
/Mr Lynn
Dave Springer says:
November 3, 2011 at 7:07 am
Right now, that’s where science leads me. There’s a brick wall at the instant of the big bang and all the information in the universe today just suddenly appeared.
Dave, you don’t have to go back that far to find the limitations of science. You can just look out your window, or into a mirror.
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
I think it hilarious that “the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen”. One has to be stupider than stupid not to see invisible things, according to Romans, chapter 1. They are without excuse with or without a PhD. The real brick wall is verse 21 ff, and is not obstructing you or I, but them.
@ur momisugly Dave Springer, Neolithic Revolution.
This guy seems to be a hack. He’s trying to distract you from that by calling others hacks.
He refers to McIntyre and McKitrick as debunking the “hockey stick,” but their work has been debunked. Talk about water off a duck’s back…
He argues for low sensitivity by comparing CO2 increases to rise in temperature, but this ignores time delay in the feedback. That’s obviously the important issue. It seems to me his calculation just (sloppily) confirms why the lower bound is set where it is.
At the beginning, he refers to the harms of climate-change mitigation. He never returns to this point. I suspect because the analyses which point to this are much more tenuous that the arguments for climate change. (The “experts,” who at the beginning he mentioned forecast worse than random picking, tend more to be professionals like economists than professionals like scientists. A chemist, I wager, is pretty good at forecasting what will happen when you mix two solutions.)
I wish I could follow the links. When I searched for IPCC 1990 projections, I was linked to a paper that showed observed warming is at the high end of the forecasting from the original report.
Also, google “ocean heat content” to see the deceleration over the past decade he talks about. This is clearly a consequence of the rate of temperature change over the last decade being somewhat slower than the previous. It’s all within the noise of small-time-interval averaging and other recent climate events and I don’t see any reason to forecast based on it.
This is why I say this guy seems to be a hack. Perhaps soon RealClimate.org will post a thorough, professional criticism.