UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:
UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.
It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.
Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.
First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”. I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.
It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.
I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.
There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.
In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.
The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):
Climate 101 scene @1:01 –
Climate 101 scene @1:05 –
Climate 101 scene @1:09 –
(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.
Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.
These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.
I’m glad I did.
Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.
One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.
I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.
But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.
One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:
Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:
1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.
2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.
3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.
I considered these possibilities for each point above:
1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”
2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.
3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.
That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.
I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.
Replicating the scene – materials:
Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury
http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:
What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.
My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.
Checking for optical aberrations:
I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:
Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.
Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.
Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:
I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:
- Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
- Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM
Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)
The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.
Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.
But wait, there’s more.
The background behind the thermometers:
Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.
Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:
At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:
Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.
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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:
We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:
The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.
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OK, back to the main issue.
In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):
Climate 101 video @1:10 –
Climate 101 video @1:16 –
I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.
- Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
- Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
- Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
- Speck in background matches exactly
- Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
- Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
- Smudge in background matches exactly
- Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
- While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly
Conclusions
With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:
The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.
Summary of what was discovered:
- The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
- The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
- The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
- The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.
The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.
I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.
While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.
This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:
“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”
Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen? Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?
Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.
If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.
About the experiment:
So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.
Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:
Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.
Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.
So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.
As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.
The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.
Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.
But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?
UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.


From Mariss
1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.
2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.
3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.
Comments:
1) The attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.
2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.
3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.
For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:


Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.
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Anthony
The BBC did a similar experimet around the time of Copenhagen. Have you seen that? I am sure that it must be on Youtube. It is difficult to see how such uncontrolled experiments would influence anyone with a scientific mind, but then again they are not aimed at that market, but rather just pure propaganda aimed at the masses.
The Gore experiment appears an obvious fake. The temp of the CO2 from the cylinder would depress the temperature, at least for a long time and as you say the heat lamp produces EMR of the wrong wave length!
Gore should be challenged to repeat the very same experiment live on TV (but with the thermometers kept in the jar). If the experiment did not work, and was not REAL, it would be interesting to hear his explanation as to why he posted this material on his 24 hours of REALITY..
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Did Cuba disappear from the little globe with the fever just like on Al’s book cover?
Hmmm … seems like they could have metered the mains (current drawn by the lamps and voltage suppled by the mains .. using a P3 Kill-A-Watt meter even) – or measured the ‘light’ (heat) output at the least …
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Nice work Anthony.
Another example of models just not working when it comes to climate science!!
Monckton of Brenchley says:
September 28, 2011 at 8:36 am
“Dear Anthony, – What you have exposed is a serious criminal fraud. Gore was asking for money throughout the Bore-a-thon.”
WTF? Gore is a multi-millionaire! Why is HE asking for money? He even got half of the 2007 Nobel Prize loot [LOL]!
What puzzled me with this “experiment”, is that they did not need to fake the experiment.
CO2 is heavy, so, more CO2 equals more mass.
If heated, when rigidly contained, the temperature and pressure will rise more.
Not that proves anything, other than what is already known, and simple physics.
The “real problem” is the interpretation of the “results” and those are not being questioned…
So, why did they fake the experiment, and fake it so badly???
“Any publicity” springs to my mind.
Given the “real problem” described above, that is not being questioned,
then it is a case of, let the “skeptics” spread the GHG and GH gospel.
Well done.
Al Gore loves you all.
Hey, it’s (internet) TV. Stuff like this happens all the time. That’s why TV is a profession. It wouldn’t have surprised me if the sequence was hosted by a CG polar bear instead of Bill Nye.
That supposed “experiment” only measures the heat of compression of two different gasses in a closed system. If the same measurements were taken of an open system, where the gasses are allowed to expand, as they can in the atmosphere, the temperatures would be the same in each jar. Photo editing aside, the experiment does not show a greenhouse effect.
Help somebody!
The article above claims that the temperature at the surface of the earth is warmer than it would be for a black body because a compressed gas gets warm (Boyle’s Law). Perhaps I haven’t been paying attention well enough but I haven’t heard that explanation before.
Could you check a wedding video for me as I’m not sure who was disappering into a closet with the best man but to me it looks like the bride but I can not be 100% sure.
And is anyone really that surprised that good ol’ Al would lie to people to get there money? Does anyone have figures on the $10 he was trying to get people to cough up?
glacierman says:
September 28, 2011 at 8:55 am
“Even without the editing, this experiment is debunked: http://myweb.cableone.net/carlallen/Site/Greenhouse%20In%20A%20Bottle-Reconsidered.html”
Sorry, but that is a whole bunch of crap at the link. Gases only heat up as they undergoing compression or expansion. The earth’s atmosphere has essentially static pressure at any one point. For it to heat up from gravitational compression the force of gravity must be constantly increasing otherwise when the pressure goes static there is no further temperature increase.
If it didn’t work that way it would be a perpetual motion machine. Suppose I take my shop compressor and fill up its air tank from ambient pressure to 150psi. The tank will indeed heat up. And if I bleed the pressure off very quickly the tank will cool down rapidly. But what happens if I turn off the compressor but don’t bleed off any pressure? The tank will still cool down even though the pressure isn’t changing. That’s because in order to get compressional heating the pressure must be increasing.
So let’s debunk the gravitational compression silliness and find out why the air gets warmer closer to the surface of the earth (in the troposphere, anyhow). It’s because the sun heats the ocean and the ocean heats the air. The (sunlight-heated) surface is the source of the heat. As you move further away from the source of the heat it will (obviously) get cooler.
Also, there comes a point where this relationship of falling temperature with increasing altitude doesn’t hold true. The thermosphere, for example, has a temperature in the thousands of degrees, far hotter than any layer below it. If gravitational heating had anything to do with it then the upper reaches of the atmosphere, with sub-millibar pressure, couldn’t possibly be the hottest part of the atmosphere… yet it is.
Outstanding work Detective Watts. The really sad part is that Gore admits that he is a liar and sheeple keep believing him.
“I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it [anthropogenic global warming] is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are.”- Al Gore
Well done for exposing this contemptible fakery.
However, I have to point out that 400ppm comes out at 0.04%, not 0.004%.
REPLY: Decimal point typo fixed, thanks – Anthony
A miracle has happened, courtesy of Al Gore’s science buffoons. Oops, i meant to type “boffins.”
“…Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers….” –Anthony Watt
Why should he share his Bill of Materials data when you just want to find something wrong with it?
“Kind of odd that the black CO2 cannister found its way very close to the “warmed” jar. I kind of wonder if they had trouble and decided to fudge the results by placing an object that would absorb some heat from the lamp and radiate it back to the jar….” –Peter McCoy
Good eye, Peter. The canister looks like it’s either touching the jar or close enough to allow heat transfer from the hotter canister to the jar by convection, conduction, and radiation. But it’s worse than you thought: the CO2 in the canister is also hotter than ambient, and is flowing into the jar and over the thermometer. This is known as “cooking” the experiment.
…Perhaps even that failed and they had to fall back on a dramatization. I’m curious now… does this experiment really work as shown even if it doesn’t tell us anything about our atmosphere?” –Peter McCoy
No, it’s completely bogus, as I’m sure you know. Calling it an ‘experiment’ is a gross lie; there was little or no effort to maintain conditions equal between jars or to accurately emulate the atmosphere. It’s nothing but a Gorrible proctoganda trick intended to fool the innocent.
For those noticing the thermometers were switched, it’s probably because they were attached to the globes – switch globes, switch thermometers.
One reason they may have been switched (and I hope this makes sense) is because of the calibration used for these thermometers.
As is shown in the photo of the two thermometers Anthony purchased to replicate the presentation, the length of the “green bar” shows different calibration for the same style. In a real experiment, you’d want the length of the bars as close to each other as possible.
In the film, the thermometer with the shorter “green” (and the longer min-max “swing”) was the “control”, and the longer “green” (and shorter min-max “swing”) was the CO2 thermometer.
Later, they swap. To me, the one with the longer scale would APPEAR to rise faster (if both at min and get same temp input, one would climb higher IF THE SCALE WERE IGNORED).
So, naturally, the CO2 thermometer, even with same temp input goes higher, if all you’re looking at is the rise.
For the closeup, they could have not used the different thermometers – the scales would not have matched. Hard to explain that in a short film.
Which of the two thermometers DID they use for the closeup? Probably the one that would show the FASTER rise.
It’s just a cartoon. The 150 year old experiments wouldn’t show what they required the “experiment” to. I recall this being done on the BBC around the time of Copenhagen and the questions are the same . . .
1. Is the difference in CO2 concentration equivalent?
2. Is it an equivalent open system?
3. Is the heat signature ( frequencies ) the same as in nature?
If NO is the answer to one or more of these questions then what on Earth was the experiment supposed to illustrate? Do the warmista think that we are all so stupid as to be hoodwinked by this nonsense? How much did the “poodle man” raise on his Goreathon because that will be the idiot indicator.
What about the Mythbusters? How real is that because frankly it doesn’t seem in the least bit possible.
What was the effect of the Ice? Also a box of air isn’t a climate system. At best that was a metaphor for our atmosphere with exaggeration as its motif.
Anthony, I criticized the Mythbusters test last year and I stand by my position. If this version is not clear enough, get one with higher resolutions or the full version. Notice the CO2 concentrations used. It is an eggasuration, worse than Al Gore’s.
Obviously it is an illustration and not the real experiment. Did you notice that they used an audio cassette tape not a video tape? And that little TV was not really showing those images either. Jeez.
REPLY: They could have avoided any criticism by placing the word “DRAMATIZATION” onscreen anywhere in the experiment segment, but they didn’t, and invited people to replicate the experiment themselves (@0:46 mark). They can’t have it both ways. – Anthony
RE: comment that no SWIR (short wave infrared) will penetrate the glass.
The correct comment is that ONLY SWIR will penetrate the glass, which blocks the other IR (infrared) wavelengths. This is well known to military uses of night imaging equipment as only the SWIR is capable of seeing thru windows/auto glass…and…only a few companies make this technology & export it. In the night imaging sensor field, SWIR wavelenghts are 0.9 to 1.7 microns — significantly different from the wavelengths defined in the narrative. Reference (many, one is): http://www.sensorsinc.com/whyswir.html
All that aside, the fact that the presentation displayed was staged as indicated is not necessarily bad–if the net effect was to communicate the basic outcome. Sure, the experiment is crude, but if some IR and/or other energy gets thru the glass & warms both equally and the one containing greater CO2 stays warmer longer, the point is made. The fact the apparatus is presented inaccurately becomes a very minor point if the facts of the physics presented correctly align with what actually occurred.
In the time I had to skim the blog entry I could find no indication that the representations made about the physics were wrong.
Which suggests that they’re correct.
Which suggests the emphasis on the idealized presentation is meant to undermine & distract, rather than report the science.
And that is indicative of what’s so wrong with the whole global warming debate — the issue is so polarized that we have “sides” (bad enough itself) … but those “sides” are willing to grasp at any detail to bolter their view or undermine the other view that fundamental truth (aka “science”) is getting shortchanged.
DID the experiment as portrayed actually yield the results asserted by Gore, et. al? So far, all this very lengthy blog item does is shows that the presentation of the experiment is idealized — which, if the only effect is to enhance communication of what was done is not really a bad thing in such a forum.
IF “yes” (the experiment as portrayed did yield the results asserted) then the entire photo analysis becomes just another example of nit-picky partisan propagandizing being presented as evidence for refuting the assertion made. A sort of sleight of hand that doesn’t really do what it suggests its doing…..and done in a manner that induces the readership to reach a faulty conclusion where it counts most.
Frankly, I’d have thought this blog was better than that.
Oh for goodness sake! It was a bit of television to demonstrate that the greenhouse effect can be seen in an experiment that anyone could do. That’s all! Didn’t the guy in the white coat and the use of globe money banks give you a clue as to that? It was supposed to be midly amusing. It is so obviously not a video of the actual experiment being done that I can’t believe you wasted your time looking for specks on thermometers. Now if the experiment, when run properly, did not show warming, you would have something to whine about.
DR says:
September 28, 2011 at 9:38 am
The gravitational compression explanation given at the above link is very, very wrong. Anyone who doesn’t see the error is, frankly, a physics illiterate. A gas, once compressed to a static pressure, will not retain the heat of compression. It it worked like the author states it does then one could compress a volume of air into a tank until it was quite hot then use the heated bottle as a perpetual source of heat. The fact is that once the gas reaches a static pressure any compressional heating also goes static.
I’m not impressed with either experiment. Heated gases in the Earth’s atmosphere will expand, rise, and convect–not stay trapped in a jar or a plastic box. Maybe an insulated pipe or silo that’s 50 ft. tall by several feet wide with a hot plate at the bottom as a heat source, a cold plate at the top as a heat sink, and several thermometers, anemometers, and barometers at the various height intervals could reveal something crucial: at least one negative feedback mechanism.
Mike: “Obviously it is an illustration and not the real experiment.”
Really????? Obvious to whom? The general public viewing the video and being asked to contribute? Pure deception for monetary gain. I hope the FCC and FTC look into this.
I am glad you went to all that effort to confidently prove your theory. However, much as I am a skeptic, and I don’t want to rain on your parade at all, I’d still have to say ‘so what?’ because we all know that most of the CAGW propaganda is overhyped, falsified or just plain hockey stick fake!
The only way this would hurt the team and Gore, would be if it is pushed like the Climategate emails in the mainstream media – and we all know how likely that is!
So, a brilliant piece – worthy of all that effort – but ultimately I don’t feel it will help much!
Also, the proponents of AGW will probably turn it against you, as some sort of personal hate campaign against Big Al using ‘creative license’ to get his point across! (Over here it’s called false advertising, and generally not allowed – but not sure if that applies to internet broadcasts?)
Didn’t any of you goons notice the orang-utan walking across the lab? Or rather, did any of you actually listen to the commentary?
The experiment was not intended to demonstrate global warming but the relative effect of heat on bodies of gas of different chemical composition. To waste a week and a half on investigating the integrity of a very short film which is obviously demonstrating the various separate steps required to conduct the experiment (thereby requiring a number of takes) is beyond stupid.
As Watts already has most of the necessary equipment why doesn’t he complete the set and then carry out the experiment for himself? He could also demonstrate to himself why it is necessary when making a film in HD to do it in a number of takes. Unless, of course, he thinks it possible to make HD images of thermometers through thickish, non-planar glass. The experiment certainly won’t take him a week and half to set up and film.
I suggest also that he takes Monkton of Brenchley’s advice and visits a the police station where, doubtless, he will receive trenchant information on the quality of the good Lord’s legal knowledge. My guess is it will not be dissimilar to that of his scientific knowledge.
REPLY: You may have noticed that the thermometers were oral fever thermometers, designed to hold the high temperature reading when removed from the mouth. All they had to do was remove them after a few minutes (filming the removal) and put them side by side and photograph them in the closeup of the scales to prove the point. They couldn’t even be bothered to do that. Mr. Gore has million$ and asks for more, yet they can’t even budget to do a “high school experiment” correctly. He can’t afford a data logger or at least something better than cookie jars an oral thermometers? Your argument fails spectacularly, just like the “experiment”. I’m just getting warmed up. – Anthony