UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:
UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.
It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.
Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.
First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”. I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.
It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.
I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.
There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.
In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.
The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):
Climate 101 scene @1:01 –
Climate 101 scene @1:05 –
Climate 101 scene @1:09 –
(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.
Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.
These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.
I’m glad I did.
Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.
One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.
I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.
But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.
One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:
Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:
1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.
2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.
3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.
I considered these possibilities for each point above:
1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”
2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.
3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.
That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.
I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.
Replicating the scene – materials:
Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury
http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:
What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.
My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.
Checking for optical aberrations:
I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:
Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.
Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.
Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:
I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:
- Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
- Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM
Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)
The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.
Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.
But wait, there’s more.
The background behind the thermometers:
Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.
Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:
At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:
Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.
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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:
We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:
The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.
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OK, back to the main issue.
In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):
Climate 101 video @1:10 –
Climate 101 video @1:16 –
I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.
- Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
- Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
- Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
- Speck in background matches exactly
- Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
- Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
- Smudge in background matches exactly
- Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
- While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly
Conclusions
With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:
The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.
Summary of what was discovered:
- The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
- The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
- The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
- The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.
The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.
I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.
While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.
This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:
“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”
Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen? Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?
Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.
If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.
About the experiment:
So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.
Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:
Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.
Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.
So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.
As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.
The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.
Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.
But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?
UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.


From Mariss
1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.
2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.
3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.
Comments:
1) The attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.
2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.
3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.
For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:


Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.
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You’re now asking me questions that have nothing to do with my original point, or my reply to your criticism of my original point. Moreover, I have published your comment on my blog; but believe it or not I don’t spend every second of the day monitoring whether you’ve posted something. The comment is up – before I saw this remark of yours above – so I’d be glad if you retract the accusation. And how about replying to the points I made instead of moving the goalposts?
Henry@Luke
You honestly don’t expect me to react to such stupity as your belief that a gas molecule is not round? I suggest you prove to me that it is not round by showing me the actual picture of the gas molecule CO2 (not a school/college play model)?
If the comment was up – before you saw my remark above – yes, then I do apologize.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
Hi HenryP,
No, the CO2 molecules is not “round”. In fact, be honest now. Your EXACT words were “perfect sphere”. You aren’t going to deny THAT, now, are you? Here’s a reminder:
“Because the molecule is like a perfect sphere…”
The CO2 molecule is NOTHING like a “perfect sphere”. It’s insane that you would even bring this up. I already referred you to its mathematical property, the point group it belongs to (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_group, and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_symmetry). It’s point group is D(infinity)h. The point group describes which aspects of symmetry the CO2 molecule has and which it does not (e.g. symmetry planes, axes of rotation, etc.) Clearly the CO2 molecule IS NOT a “perfect sphere”. It consists of three atoms joined in a linear geometry, the bonds between which vibrate and stretch. Stretching and vibrating frequencies are different, which leads to different absorption bands in the CO2 molecule’s IR (or Raman) spectra, and this can be predicted from the point group to which it belongs (and its associated character tables: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_character_tables_for_chemically_important_3D_point_groups). IR bands are given only for absorptions corresponding to unsymmetrical stretching or bending modes. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOTCJxWmdks
As I already said, were it true — as you have claimed — that you “happen to be familiar with spectrophotometry” you would be VERY familiar with all this, it’s basic undergraduate physical chemistry (e.g. http://books.google.com/books?id=eH_1dIZr-zMC&lpg=PA901&vq=point%20groups&pg=PA902#v=snippet&q=point%20groups&f=false)
There are only three possibilities with respect to your assertion that CO2 is a “perfect sphere”. Either you are completely deluded and actually scientifically illiterate on the topics about which you comment, or you are deliberately wasting everyone’s time, or both. Clearly you aren’t nearly as informed what you’re saying as you’d like others to believe. Which underlines my original point about this site being a Mecca for reality [SNIP: we don’t use that word here. REP].
Henry@Luke
You use a lot of words and references and you still did not prove to me that a gasmolecule like CO2 and H2O is not round. As long as you don’t have an exact picture I have to go with what I and anyone else (I hope) can understand: anything > 100.000.000 x smaller than that of the head of a needle pin must act and behave like a perfect sphere, especially if it floats around in a gas mixture.
Anyway, all that has nothing to do with the problem on hand, which was whether or not the increase in CO2 causes any warming.
You have not shown me any of your actual measured results?…
The tests (video’s) that you show have all been featured here before and the results have been discussed at great lengths. I am sure someone here can give you the references.
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Why don’t you start your own pool table on global warming prove me wrong?
So far, the score on my pool table is as follows (after 15 weather stations’ analyses):
MAXIMA: rising at a speed of 0.036 degrees C per annum
MEANS : increasing at 0.012 degrees C per annum
MINIMA: increasing at 0.004 degrees C per annum
HUMIDITY: decreasing at a rate of -0.02% per annum
PRECIPITATION: increasing at a rate of 0.26 mm /month /year
The ratio of the rate of increase in Maxima, Means and Minima is 9:3:1
Surely anyone looking at these results, will understand that it was the maximum temperatures, that ocurred during the day, that pushed up the mean average daily temperatures and minima?
This means that the global warming that is observed on earth is largely natural and is not caused by an increase in greenhouse gases.Either the sun shone brighter or there were less clouds.
If it had been the other way around, i.e. minimum temperatures pushing up the average temperature, (i.e heat being trapped), minima rising faster than maxima and means, then we should agree that the increase in greenhouse gases on earth was the cause.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
lIf you ook again carefully at my tables quoted above and if you really take some time to study them you can easily figure it all out for yourself:
1) first the so-called ” global warming” is not global at all.
In the SH there is almost no warming. Clearly, you can see a big difference in the results for Means between NH and SH? But now, how can that be? We know from real science and experiments that the CO2 is distributed everywhere exactly the same. So, if increases CO2 were to be blamed directly due it causing an increased greenhouse effect, should not the warming be the same everywhere in the world? So, we conclude (again) it never was the increase in GHG’s that caused any warming.
2) If you look in Argentina (where there was considerable de-forestation) you find severe cooling. If you look at Norway (where there is much increased forestry) you find warming.
3) the fact that SH has little landmass and that the NH has a lot of landmass is an another indicator that should give a clue.
4) we also know that there have been reports, e.g. from the Helsinki university that there has been increased vegetation in the past decades, especially in the NH…..
for more proof that earth is greening especially in the northern hemisphere, look here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/24/the-earths-biosphere-is-booming-data-suggests-that-co2-is-the-cause-part-2/
…..Did you figure it out?
It is just like I said before. More carbon dioxide is better.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
HenryP,
As cranks tend to, you’ve gone off on a tangent and are now discussing things utterly irrelevant to what I originally posted, and things that are utterly irrelevant to my criticism of your chemical ignorance about CO2, except for this…
“You use a lot of words and references and you still did not prove to me that a gasmolecule like CO2 and H2O is not round… anything > 100.000.000 x smaller than that of the head of a needle pin must act and behave like a perfect sphere, especially if it floats around in a gas mixture.”
…which is just to re-affirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Pick up any book or go to any course on spectrometry.
The very fact that CO2 and H2O show IR absortptions is EXPERIMENTAL PROOF that they cannot be round, or as you put it a “perfect sphere”, since NO PERFECT SPHERE CAN UNDERGO THE NECESSARY CHANGE IN DIPOLE MOMENT TO RESULT IN AN IR ABSORPTION. Not to mention huge swathes of other data about the geometry of these molecules, like X-Ray crystallography, single molecule interferometry and all the rest. It’s perfectly obvious that your claim that you “happen to be familiar with spectrophotometry” is false. (Which is to say, you lied or confabulated.) Group theory, the symmetry of molecules and their dipole changes are the very basics of understanding ANYTHING about IR spectroscopy, about which you pontificate at length. Not to mention that each of CO2 and H2O consist of three atoms in a row and so CANNOT be “perfect spheres” even BY DEFINITION. Chemical bonds are DIRECTIONAL! CO2 and H2O are linear (H2O is bent at an angle of 109 degres due to the repulsion between its oxygen’s electron lone pairs – look up VSEPR). But there’s clearly no point in discussion reality with you, since if you had been genuinely interested in any of this, or had even a passing knowledge of spectroscopy, you’d have found out by now.
I have no intention of teaching you basic chemistry, chasing around after your irrelevant remarks, nor indeed wasting my time talking to someone clearly suffering deeply from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Doubtless you’ll continue generating pseudoscientific gibberish, but as your impervious to rational – or even on topic – discussion, I’m going to dedicate my time to other things.
Henry@Luke
Your endless, endless (and rather pointless) discussion about whether a gas molecule is spherical or not has nothing to do with the topic on hand which is whether or not a net effect of an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming or not.
You have nothing to say about all the balls on my pool table?
Do you agree with me that CO2 has a cooling effect in the atmosphere that may largely cancel out any warming effect and that this cooling effect cannot be measured if you put it in a box?
For proof of a cooling effect: see foot note here:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
If your answer is yes, the tests you (and Gore) do are invalid.
If you say no, you are the one who does not know what “you are talking about.”
Happened here on WUWT……
DISCUSSION ON CLOSED BOX EXPERIMENTS TO PROVE THAT CO2 IS CAUSING THE PLANET TO WARM
PRO-agw man
It’s quite obvious what to make of the fact Watts can’t tell the difference (or pretends he can’t) between a dramatized, enhanced video describing a scientific principle for a short video
Here are two other video’s…you must rather watch these.
SCEPTICAL scientist
The closed box experiments are not valid because it does not take into account the atmospheric cooling effects of the CO2.
PRO agw man
I have looked at your post about global cooling. Firstly, it’s terribly written, and secondly, full of false claims. Clearly you have no idea “how long is a piece of string”.
As I wrote originally: “It’s quite obvious what to make of the fact Watts can’t tell the difference (or pretends he can’t) between a dramatized, enhanced video describing a scientific principle for a short video, and the accurate repeat of an entire experiment.”
SCEPTICAL scientist (trying to agitate)
Clearly, you don’t know how long is a piece of string. Why don’t you give me a picture of the string, or prove to me exactly how long is it?
Anyway, the quantities we know: CO2% has risen from 0.03% to 0.04% in the last 50 or 60 years. So I say again: where are your test results that prove that its warming effect is greater than its cooling effect?
PRO agw man
(…trying again to explain how long is a piece of string……..) long story that ends with:
Either you are completely deluded and actually scientifically illiterate on the topics about which you comment, or you are deliberately wasting everyone’s time, or both. Clearly you aren’t nearly as informed what you’re saying as you’d like others to believe. Which underlines my original point about this site being a Mecca for reality [SNIP: we don’t use that word here. REP]…..
SCEPTICAL scientist
(Not really interested in knowing how long the string is, precisely)
Well, I don’t think you have really proven to me how long the string is, exactly, but anyway, all that has nothing to do with the problem on hand, which was whether or not the increase in CO2 causes any warming.
The tests (video’s) that you show have all been featured here before and the results have been discussed at great lengths. I am sure someone here can give you the references.
Here are the results of my statistical analyses of 15 randomly chosen weather stations
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
Shall we discuss those?
PRO-agw man (feeling a trap coming up)
As cranks tend to, you’ve gone off on a tangent and are now discussing things utterly irrelevant to what I originally posted, and things that are utterly irrelevant to my criticism of your chemical ignorance about CO2, except for this…
….again long discussion on how long the string is, ending with:
I have no intention of teaching you basic chemistry, chasing around after your irrelevant remarks, nor indeed wasting my time talking to someone clearly suffering deeply from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Doubtless you’ll continue generating pseudoscientific gibberish, but as your impervious to rational – or even on topic – discussion, I’m going to dedicate my time to other things.
SCEPTICAL scientist
Your endless, endless (and rather pointless) discussion about how long a piece of string is has nothing to do with the topic on hand which is whether or not a net effect of an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming or not.
You have nothing at all to say about the balls on my pool table?
Do you agree with me that CO2 has a cooling effect in the atmosphere that may largely cancel out any warming effect and that this cooling effect cannot be measured if you put it in a box?
For proof of a cooling effect: see foot note here:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
If your answer is yes, the tests you (and Gore) do are invalid.
If you say no, you are the one who does not know what “you are talking about.”
if you came as far as here, you should carry on reading here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/18/replicating-al-gores-climate-101-video-experiment-shows-that-his-high-school-physics-could-never-work-as-advertised#comments
Al threw the election back in 2000, and his recompense was to become the Climate Guru.
Guess what, Al – you rolled SNAKE-EYES.