From Reuters: The sky will soon be full, view it while you can.
“At present emissions levels, in less than 20 years the sky would effectively be full”
Analysis: Extreme steps needed to meet climate target
At present emissions levels, in less than 20 years the sky would effectively be full, meaning every extra tonne of carbon dioxide (CO2) emitted would have to be removed to stay within safer climate limits, one lead author says.
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Other experts say it isn’t clear how far specific changes are the result of emissions or simply natural effects.
“There’s no final decision,” said the Potsdam Institute’s Vladimir Petoukhov.
For example, last week it emerged that Arctic sea ice this summer melted to a record low extent, or a close second. Natural weather effects partly explained the previous record in 2007, scientists say, and may help explain this year’s, said Petoukhov.
h/t to Tom Nelson
“At present emissions levels, in less than 20 years the sky would effectively be full”
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Ah, yes, the Potsdam Institute, which had the “AVEC” (A.ssessment of V.ulnerable E.cosystems under Global C.hange http://www.pik-potsdam.de/avec/ ) Summer School, where the one in 2005 featured Sybille van den Hove ( http://www.pik-potsdam.de/avec/peyresq2005/talks/0928/van_den_hove/welcome.html ). Her PPT on the “Business ethical dilemmas” slide page #22 on “Exxon’s progression of statements” had words eerily similar to the 2nd sentence in an April 2005 Mother Jones magazine interview of anti-skeptic book author Ross Gelbspan: ““First time around, they said global warming is not happening, [t]hen after the science became pretty powerful, they said, ‘Well it’s good for us.’ Now they’re saying that the impacts will be pretty negligible.” ( http://motherjones.com/politics/2005/04/hot-and-bothered-interview-ross-gelbspan )
Actually, Gelbspan’s narrative on that goes back to 1999. Combine that with Ms van den Hove’s two schoolroom case studies from 2001 on her AVEC page, “Should business influence the science and politics of global environmental change? The oil industry and climate change”, which cited Gelbspan and enviro-activist groups Ozone Action and Greenpeace for proof that skeptic scientists are funded by big coal & oil, and you’ll guess that maybe the above Exxon PPT slide of hers isn’t so eerie after all.
It was a mistranslation. What the Celts told Alexander they were afraid of was not ‘the sky falling’ but ‘the sky filling’.
Maybe it’s just me and my bad hearing, but the phrase “The sky is full of it!” sounds an awful lot like “This guy is full of it!”
Reuters from Thomson Reuters is a green propaganda machine that serves its investment interests. The Woodbridge Foundation is its multi billion dollar investment arm. A trustee of this foundation is no other than Sir Crispin Tickell, a UNEP stalwart who recomended Monbiot for some college fellowship, who has been at the heart of the early 1990s UN discussions on climate:
“Sir Crispin was President of the Royal Geographical Society from 1990 to 1993 and Warden of Green College, Oxford between 1990 and 1997, where he appointed George Monbiot and Norman Myers as Visiting Fellows. Green College merged with Templeton College in 2008 to become Green Templeton College, located at what was previously Green College.”
“Sir Crispin’s close relationship with the Climate Institute began in June 1988 when he was the luncheon speaker at a climate change symposium organized by the Climate Institute for UN Missions under auspices of UNEP. A few months later he joined the Board of the Climate Institute and has been an active member since. In September 1990, a few days after retiring from the British diplomatic service, Sir Crispin became Chairman of the Climate Institute, a post he held until November 2002 when he became Chairman Emeritus. With Sir Crispin as Chairman and under auspices of the IPCC and UNEP, the Institute held Presidential and Ministerial briefings on climate change in 22 nations, the first in Mexico at Los Pinos in March 1991. Soon after this Sir Crispin chaired a steering committee of the Climate Institute overseeing a major study of an emerging environmental refugee challenge. During three years of his service as Climate Institute Chairman, Sir Crispin was President of the Royal Geographical Society.”
Woodbridge is also invested in Point Carbon:
“Point Carbon, a Thomson Reuters company is a world-leading provider of independent news, analysis and consulting services for European and global power, gas and carbon markets. Point Carbon’s comprehensive services provide professionals with market-moving information through monitoring fundamental information, key market players and business and policy developments.
Point Carbon’s in-depth knowledge of power, gas and CO2 emissions market dynamics positions us as the number one supplier of unrivalled market intelligence of these markets. Our staff includes experts in international and regional climate policy, mathematical and economic modeling, forecasting methodologies, risk management and market reporting.”
In Canada, the Globe and Mail owned by the Thomsons, the richest family in the country, has recently relayed the Trenberth nature missing heat paper but is alawys mum on anything going against the global warming consensus… now we know why!
“At present emissions levels, in less than 20 years the sky would effectively be full”
This sure sounds like something an edumacated psyentist like algore would pontificate….
Attention Reuters Idiots; The Sky’s the limit,
It’s the Netherlands that’s full.
“Full sky” they say? It never will be, I say.
For their pronouncement is all just a point of view. Consider the famous glass of water:
The pessimist looks as the glass of water and, with an audible sigh, says it is half empty.
The optimist looks at the same galss of water and, with a hint of satisfaction, exclaims it is half full.
The engineer, on the other hand, looks at the glass of water, strokes his chin, thinks about it for a moment, and says: “Ya know, that glass of water is twice as big as it needs to be.”
The same goes for Earth’s atmosphere–it will never fill up (it has all of space to expand into), and it will never be empty (there’s just no place to sequester all that gas). So cheer up–these idiots will one day wish they had never said about 99% of what they’re saying, and we’ll all be around to rub their noses into another bogus climate claim and exhult:
“Full sky, my glass.”
And you aLLLLLLLL KNOW: ‘hit wuz BIG AWUhL what dun it!
Minnesotans 4GW would do a nice number here. Elmer??
“The sky is fulling up! Help help, the sky is fulling up!”
http://cli.ps/LEet
Sell Crazy Some Place Else. We’re all stocked up here.
It looks like they have already written the Summary for Policy Makers for AR5. so now all they have to do is fill in the details. [/sarc]
DirkH says:
September 21, 2011 at 6:38 am
Thanks for the link to the mad climastrologists of Potsdam. They are using their models to predict GHG concentrations out to the year 2300. I believe Buck Rogers is going to help them extend their ‘science’ to the 25th century
BigWaveDave says:
September 21, 2011 at 2:34 pm
It looks like they have already written the Summary for Policy Makers for AR5. so now all they have to do is fill in the details. [/sarc]
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BigWaveDave,
I saw that also in the Reuters article.
Please, that isn’t (unfortunately) sarcasm.
John
Lumps of CO2 falling from the sky?
We’re doomed!
Chuck Nolan says:
September 21, 2011 at 9:23 am
Alan D McIntire says:
September 21, 2011 at 5:37 am
My immediate response is, “Full of what?”
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If I recall, it’s already full (at 100%)
Let’s see its …..78% nitrogen
…..20% Oxygen
…… 2% Trace gasses (incl CO2)
That sounds full to me.
Wait – does that mean that as we add CO2 we are causing the atmosphere to overflow?
Where does the spilliage go?
Or, are we taking something else out to make room for the additional CO2?
OK, we need some serious funding to get to the bottom of this atmospheric filling.
The rest of you are not taking this seriously. This may be a real problem. What if we overfill the atmosphere and it explodes? We are discussing warming when we should be concentrating on a potential atmospheric overfilling catastrophy.
What happened to the magic 350ppm?
Hu McCulloch says:
” it becomes essentially opaque to the frequencies CO2 absorbs.”
I think we are rather close to that now, from the charts on previous WUWT threads.
As I have previously commented, except for government programs, you cannot asorb more than 100% of something.
“A long time ago, when the Earth was green, there was more CO2 than you’ve ever seen”
(with apologies to an ancient songwriting duo)
Retired Engineer says:
September 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm
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Retired Engineer,
From me, an almost (semi-retired) engineer, I offer the following in good cheer.
The final stanza,
: )
John
Went to Reuters, read the article and just have one thing to say – This just HAS to be some kind of joke, Right? I mean really, it is meant to be a joke? No one, and I mean no one, would seriously believe this stuff, right? Someone please tell me this was published as a joke.
I can only assume that by full he means pissed and coming from “rooters news agency” its all understandable.DON’T LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY>presstitution!
When the sky is full of CO2, carrots and broccoli will be 40 stories high.
You have been warned.
They’re kidding, right?
Right?
“For example, last week it emerged that Arctic sea ice this summer melted to a record low extent, or a close second.”
If it was a close second it wasn’t a record low then was it? Not that little details are important in the world of reality or anything. How can you produce ‘minus CO2’? is that a little like negative growth from ‘green’ economies?
AGW Cynic says:
September 21, 2011 at 5:53 am
There will be so much carbon dioxide that we will all suffocate. To prevent the creation of the C02, we should all stop breathing.
That is the only sensible solution.
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So you got me thinking … as an expression of his AGW cult devotion, Al Gore can organise a ’24-hr CO2 free expression session’ wherein AGW cultists all around the world, including Himself, are commanded to hold their collective breath for 24-hrs … sceptics can sponsor them 🙂 … the free biodegradable plastic bags are an absolute must have accessory.
Now THAT is what I call an ACTION in the interests of Mankind!
This reminds me of the Gary Larson “Far Side” cartoon (8 Sep 1986) where a kid with a small head raised his hand and said, “Mr. Osborne, may I be excused? My brain is full.”
The joke here is obvious. Neither the human brain nor the atmosphere can become “full.” I think these authors need to ask Mr. Osborne if they can be excused, because their brains are full of it.
Jim