I would not have believed the claim if I hadn’t read it here:
So the idea is that everybody should lose ten kilos the result of which would be a drop in greenhouse emissions that would be the equivalent of 0.2% of the CO(2) emitted globally in 2007 (49.560Mt).
Good luck pulling that off. I have a proposal that may also have an impact.
Any researcher who takes public money to study global warming and produce results that dictate how the rest of us should live should give up their car and walk or bicycle everywhere.
That should have an effect.
Can those of us who are chronically underweight get special grant money or something for helping to save the Earth?
Wow, I was totally expecting a joke about methane emissions. I am proud to point out this line of humor, but I am so shocked that the headline is serious and not a satire that I can’t come up with a joke at the moment.
If you lose weight you converting fat ( a carbon rich compound) into mostly CO2 and water. This will increase the green house gases. We should look at obesity as CO2 sequestation!
So…..with a 100% implementation of this plan we’d get a .2% reduction would we?
Let me know when they have a study telling us the climate benefits of a one child policy similar to China’s.
I’ve lived in Scotland for sixteen years and I’ve never heard of that “university” before.
OK, Tubbo, You’re guilty! Lose it, or we’ll disappear you! See “Skinny” over there??? A fine example of Legislative Anorexia! Austral-erity Rocks!
Surely, more portly people are acting as carbon sinks and should get paid for their service to CCS….
The carbon in your body is part of a carbon-dioxide-neutral cycle. If you put on weight where does the C in it come from, and if you lose weight or die where does it go?
Mike Jonas, I agree. Hasn’t this been shown with the Biosphere experiments near tucson?
you all need to give up
up with the car
the hysteria
and give up with the
last week idea that you need
anything
If flatulence is the issue it would probably be more effective to just ban people from eating vegetables (especially beans). Vegetarianism is clearly a danger to the planet.
@Huth: it’s possibly similar to those unknown Universities and Colleges that are quoted ad nauseum on the (revisionist) History Channel, producing “professors of Archaeology” who somehow are qualified to comment on the “feelings” and thoughts of people long dead who left no written record, i.e. “Dear Diary”, today my forces destroyed 20,000 huns and assorted barbarians, and I felt so sad for their families”……..
here’s the link: http://www.rgu.ac.uk/
By having more body fat, I’m better insulated, so I’m more efficient.
CAGW: Corpulent Anthropogenic Global Warming
“The CORE team have no immediate future plans for this research, but will continue to contribute to the global understanding and management of obesity.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
What about a link to obesity with alarmism and political incapacity?
A quick review of the syllabus of Robert Gordon University reveals it to what we used to call a technical college in America.
These are sometimes called universities here too, but are really the equivalent of a community college that offers limited graduate degrees at the Master’s level.
First came grade inflation and social promotion for students. Now we are seeing the same phenomenon for institutions.
ENOUGH WITH “STUPID” SCIENCE ALREADY!!! Has the world of academia gone completely insane? Are there absolutely no checks and balances left in the cloistered halls of learning? Do the graduates of these “schools” actually expect to be able to get real-world jobs after being associated with professors such as these?
I think that reports of this type are absolutely ludicrous and completely insensitive. Any “university” conducting this type of “research” should be immediately disbanded. Its administration and “research” staff should be black-listed from holding any other positions of authority for life. They should also be forcibly compelled to comply with their own inane recommendations.
/end rant – I feel much better now.
[Note: I had to rewrite this three times to tone down my comments in order to try to comply with WUWT policies.]
I’ve lost 20-odd pounds lately, and we have had a lousy cool summer. Does this correlation mean that the English Tourist Board can sue me for loss of earnings?
“The CORE team have no immedate future plans for this research…..” Translation: The grant money’s run out. Thank God for that, at least.
It takes more energy to stay lean or lose weight. Exercise and good nutrition don’t come free.
Anthony your request it will function in a perfect and ideal world, but here on the earth nobody will drop their cars just for the nature sake.
Shadows of…Bethselamin????
Robert Gordon University is in Aberdeen. It is a respected mainstream body with the usual mix of competent and hard-working academics on the one hand and of people happy to come up with the research results that suit the political elites on the other.
@dtbronzich: thanks for the link, it quacked right from the start…
Robert Gordon University is in Aberdeen and is a good University.
I’ve always thought the cheapest and easiest way to solve the AGW problem…ahem…is to offer tax breaks to people who hold their breath for two or three minutes a day.
You could argue that it is everyone’s civic duty to hold their breath for one minute in the morning and one minute in the afternoon. Enthusiastic breath holders could hold for additional minutes and achieve tax breaks. The governments could set up breath holding centres to ensure quality.
The good thing about this solution is that it is low cost requires no new technology and can be easily replicated. No need for large world summits, so saving on CO2 already.
Paul
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There’s no hope for us any longer! We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed!
Especially with moronic “research” like this floating about!
The fact that co2 only makes up 0.039% – by volume of earths atmosphere makes their number just a little suspect.
It’s another Technical College with pretentions. Seems to be successful though.
Robert Gordon University is located in Aberdeen, Scotland. Building on over 250 years involvement in education, it was granted university status in 1992. Robert Gordon University currently has approximately 15,579 students at its two campuses at Garthdee and the City Centre, studying on over 145 full-time and part-time undergraduate and postgraduate courses. Much of the university campus dates from 17th and 18th centuries.
The Sunday Times named Robert Gordon University their Scottish University of the Year 2011 and first in Scotland for graduate-level jobs. It said: “With a graduate unemployment rate that is lower than the most famous universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, plus a flourishing reputation for research, high student satisfaction rates and ambitious plans for its picturesque campus, Robert Gordon University is The Sunday Times Scottish University of the Year”. Source, Wiki.
There is indeed a very strong relationship between obesity and global warming. It is simply this:
THEY ARE BOTH SCAMS!
“Obesity is a scam?” I here you say. Indeed yes. You see obesity is a trans-fat condition just like type 2 diabetes. It is caused by the poisoning of 1) Brown Adipose Tissue. 2) Cell walls adjacent to Insulin receptors. 3) Mitochondrial walls. And all by trans-fatty acids. You can check out the truth of this by reading the peer reviewed literature abstracts at tfx.org.uk. Diabetes is caused by the poisoning of the substrate underlying a chemical reaction called the “Modified Electron Transport Chain” by trans-fatty acids.
So if any fatties out there who a serious about losing weight and would like to do so it is very simple. You see (2) and (3) slow down the passage of glucose to the ATP production centres in the mitochondria. As a result ATP production and consequently metabolism are slowed down over a continuous spectrum down to more than 80% in the biggest fatties. Obesity is easy to cure for the simple reason that most body cells die off every two years and you build new ones to replace them. All you have to do is replace any trans-fats in your diet with natural cis-isomer based fats and the weight simply peels off. The best sources of such natural fats are linseed and hemp oils. Most of the junk oils in the supermarkets such as rapeseed (canola), sunflower and corn oil etc and are laden with poisonous trans-fats. So only use cold pressed AND unrefined oils. Use animal fat or olive oil for frying and roasting and for two years at least ensure that your fat/oils intake includes at least 1 tablespoonful of hemp oil (or linseed oil) per day.
After two years you will learn the sad truth about global warming and obesity. You see what will actually happen is you will become skinny as a result of regaining a normal metabolism and in consequence your personal output of CO2 will dramatically increase. You see the truth is that it is the skinnies who are the most dangerous people from the AGW perspective. The fatties are simply acting as carbon repositories and are the greenest people on the planet. In both senses of the word.
The truth is out there, the MSM is almost completely controlled on this issue in a way that makes AGWs media control seem amateurish in the extreme.
Huth, Robert Gordon University was around before you were, so it seems fair to assume you haven’t been considering reading for a degree in Scotland in your time here. Before 1992 it was known as Robert Gordon’s Technical College.
As far as the report is concerned, the domestic diet is a contributing factor to the exceptionally high incidence of heart disease in Scotland, so any excuse to persuade people to eat a more healthy diet and perhaps exercise more will be sought. Linking it to global warming is just the latest tactic. It might take a bit more than that as our globally warmed summers of recent years have changed the preferred attire from shorts and t-shirts to waterproofs and snow shovel sales have soared in winter.
Oh dear this uni is all sadly tainted by their being in with big oil ! even their Chancellor is Sir Ian Wood chairman of Wood group a multinational oil and gas services company who said this gem
“”I used to believe in a democratic system but really if you look at the results yielded by democracy you realise most people don’t know what they are talking about. A select few should make informed decisions for the masses. I am willing to do the selecting.ā
What nice man oh and it also turfed out a few right charmers such as
James Gordon Brown
Neil Gordon Kinnock
Donald John Trump
Huth;
You need to get out more and go to Aberdeen.
Robert Gordon University used to be a Technical College and recently had the status changed; but it has been going for a very long time and, usually, is very well respected.
I hope the BBC, in its blind faith, publicises this as it has to be the most laughable link suggested, beating any and all previously pushed by the high priests of CAGE hysteria and spin
Robert Gordon University Aberdeen, its only been an eduction facility since 1750.
Having said that the story should possibly be considered just more hot air.
Global enorming?
Is this the end of Scotland’s national dishes?
Chicken Fried pizza followed by Deep Fried Mars bar. All washed down with a good draught of Buckfast Tonic Wine (Buckie).
The only connection between Global Warming and Obesity is that they are both scams. Today most obesity is caused by trans fatty acids which poison body functioning and lead to a reduction in metabolism. There are three basic mechanisms:
1) The poisoning of the substrate underlying a chemical reaction called the modified electron transport chain. This reaction is used in Brown Adipose Tissue (Brown Fat) to generate ADP which is used to produce heat. It is also used in pancreatic beta cells hence diabetes is also caused by trans-fatty acids.
2) The corrupting of cell walls adjacent to insulin receptors so that pores are unable to open a glucose transport into the cell is reduced.
3) The poisoning of mitochondrial walls reducing glucose uptake.
As a result of (2) and (3) ATP production and consequently metabolism are slowed down over a continuous spectrum down to more than 80% in the biggest fatties. Obesity is easy to cure for the simple reason that most body cells die off every two years and you build new ones to replace them. All you have to do is replace any trans-fats in your diet with natural cis-isomer based fats and the weight simply peels off. The best sources of such natural fats are linseed and hemp oils. Most of the junk oils in the supermarkets such as rapeseed (canola), sunflower and corn oil etc and are laden with poisonous trans-fats. So only use cold pressed which have not been subsequently refined. Use animal fat or olive oil for frying and roasting and for two years at least ensure that your fat/oils intake includes at least 1 tablespoonful of hemp oil (or linseed oil) per day.
After two years you will learn the sad truth about global warming and obesity. You see what will actually happen is you will become skinny as a result of regaining a normal metabolism and in consequence your personal output of CO2 will dramatically increase. The truth is that it is the skinnies who are the most dangerous people from the AGW perspective. The fatties are simply acting as carbon repositories and are the greenest people on the planet, in both senses of the word.
As Climate Depot has it this cynical publication is a big fat lie.
The morphing of second rate educational establishments into universities in order to accommodate the socialist ideal of 50% access has not only demonstrated the intellectual short comings of the inceasing percentile, it has also given voice to a plethora of second rate lecturers, whose ramblings, without this agrandizement, thankfully would never have been vouchsaved to humanity at large.
The only connection between Global Warming and Obesity is that they are both scams. Today most obesity is caused by trans fatty acids which poison body functioning and lead to a reduction in metabolism. There are three basic mechanisms:
1) The poisoning of the substrate underlying a chemical reaction called the modified electron transport chain. This reaction is used in Brown Adipose Tissue (Brown Fat) to generate ADP which is used to produce heat. It is also used in pancreatic beta cells hence diabetes is also caused by trans-fatty acids.
2) The corrupting of cell walls adjacent to insulin receptors so that pores are unable to open a glucose transport into the cell is reduced.
3) The poisoning of mitochondrial walls reducing glucose uptake.
As a result of (2) and (3) ATP production and consequently metabolism are slowed down over a continuous spectrum down to more than 80% in the biggest fatties. Obesity is easy to cure for the simple reason that most body cells die off every two years and you build new ones to replace them. All you have to do is replace any trans-fats in your diet with natural cis-isomer based fats and the weight simply peels off. The best sources of such natural fats are linseed and hemp oils. Most of the junk oils in the supermarkets such as rapeseed (canola), sunflower and corn oil etc and are laden with poisonous trans-fats. So only use cold pressed which are not subsequently refined. Use animal fat or olive oil for frying and roasting and for two years at least ensure that your fat/oils intake includes at least 1 tablespoonful of hemp oil (or linseed oil) per day.
After two years you will learn the sad truth about global warming and obesity. You see what will actually happen is you will become skinny as a result of regaining a normal metabolism and in consequence your personal output of CO2 will dramatically increase. You see the truth is that it is the skinnies who are the most dangerous people from the AGW perspective. The fatties are simply acting as carbon repositories and are the greenest people on the planet, in both senses of the word.
As Climate Depot has it this article is a big fat lie. The truth is out there, the MSM is almost completely controlled on this issue in a way that makes AGWs media control seem amateurish in the extreme.
A fat person is like a car with a full tank of fuel. The CO2 comes when the fuel is burned, by dieting or by driving. Are we sure this story isn’t a hoax?
Has the comment system be changed then? I normally get my comments on screen with: Awaiting Moderation at the top. I do not see my comment on screen under this thread. WUWT?
I suppose we should be encouraged that, for once, they’re actually ranting and railing against a “problem” which really is manmade. Okay, the article’s 99% pure rubbish, but that’s pretty standard in “climate” “related” “research”.
That last one appeared under “Your comment is awaiting moderation” but my actual comment has not? I’m puzzled. When I tried to submit it again I get a duplicate submission message from the WUWT site.
Yours puzzled??????
Margaret Mead, Lisa Jackson, Al Gore, Michael Mann… all outstanding specimens of ascetic leanness. We definitely need to follow their example.
Where does cannibalism fit in to all this?
Do we eat all the fat people?
;o)
Looks like I’m being censored…
I’ll try to halve the message size…..
The only connection between Global Warming and Obesity is that they are both scams. Today most obesity is caused by trans fatty acids which poison body functioning and lead to a reduction in metabolism. There are three basic mechanisms:
1) The poisoning of the substrate underlying a chemical reaction called the modified electron transport chain. This reaction is used in Brown Adipose Tissue (Brown Fat) to generate ADP which is used to produce heat. It is also used in pancreatic beta cells hence diabetes is also caused by trans-fatty acids.
2) The corrupting of cell walls adjacent to insulin receptors so that pores are unable to open a glucose transport into the cell is reduced.
3) The poisoning of mitochondrial walls reducing glucose uptake.
Most strange. I try to post in two parts but that doesn’t work either.
I’ll try to post the first paragraph….
The only connection between Global Warming and Obesity is that they are both scams. Today most obesity is caused by trans fatty acids which poison body functioning and lead to a reduction in metabolism. There are three basic mechanisms:
I tried to post the first paragraph … three lines but that wasn’t accepted. I’ll try the first line next time
OK. I tried to post the first line but that wasn’t accepted either.
Next time I’ll try the first word.
OK, I’ll try to post the first word:
The
Yippee! WUWT lets me post “The”. I’ll try a few more words from the first sentance and try to discover which words are being used by the WUWT censoring system to block my comments…
OK Here goes another try..
The only connection between Global
Yippee. I’m getting somewhere. I’ll add another word….
The only connection between Global Warming and Obesity
Rule one of these studies, always check the calendar just to make sure it’s not 1st April!
genomega1 says:
August 16, 2011 at 12:17 am
The fact that co2 only makes up 0.039% ā by volume of earths atmosphere makes their number just a little suspect.
With manmade CO2 representing a mere 4% of that, we’re talking very, very, very, very small numbers here! 0.00156%, of which the UK produces less than 1.8% (& falling) = 0.000028%!!! Put it in perspective, “how d’ya like a pay increase of 0.000028% this year?” Take someone on Ā£30,000/annum that means they get a wopping 84p increase a year – not even half a pint of beer’s worth!
At last! WUWT has a censoring system. I am not allowed to post the word: Ob*sity.
Lets try this one.
Well that one worked so I’ll try and post the next message with the word Ob*sity spelt with an ‘e’ instead of a ‘*”
Here it comes WUWT:
Obesity
Wow, most odd! Seems I am allowed to comment with the word “obesity” now. There is something else going on.
Sorry e-moderator but I’m getting seriously p*ssed off.
Well, I tried to post the first paragraph again but it didn’t work!
I’ll keep trying
We all want reasons to excuse our perceived failings and pander to our insecurities. If this psychological weakness can be exploited to create another AGW mouth then the lumumba trained green scientists will not hesitate to publish nonsense like this. Next they will say global warming causes baldness; then impotence.
Well I tried again and nothing appeared….
And again and it worked not….
It doesn’t like this..
The only connection between Global Warming and
OK, so fatties produce more CO2 per gasp than the British Standard Human (whatever that is!) … but aren’t fatties supposed to reach their sell-by date much sooner?
So ….. more CO2 per gasp for a shorter lifespan vs. less CO2 per healthy exhalation (while jogging/in the gym/etc) over a longer period ….. hmmm, tricky, might need more research funding for that one.
The quick brown fox jumps over the obese dog
Is it April the First?
Last one not OK again..
WTF is going on.
Conection between Obesity and AGW
It is doing my head in.
Arghhhh!
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There are millions of asteroids, and like most other small Solar System bodies, asteroids are thought to be the often shattered remnants of planetesimals, bodies within the young Sunās solar nebula that never grew large enough to become planets.[3] A large majority of known asteroids orbit in the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter or co-orbital with Jupiter (the Jupiter Trojans). However, other orbital families exist with significant populations, including the near-Earth asteroids. Individual asteroids are classified by their characteristic spectra, with the majority falling into three main groups: C-type, S-type, and M-type. These were named after and are generally identified with carbon-rich, stony, and metallic compositions, respectively.
OK WUWT I am allowed to post long comments on asteroids (from Wiki) but not on the subject of the post. Why is that?
Efforts to censor me posting on this topic are regularly made across the internet on this subject but I am surprised to see it happening on WUWT. Is WUWT in charge of its own comment system? It seems to be automated.
[Reply: the problem may be with WordPress, which uses an algorithm that places certain keyword comments in the spam folder. I’ve rescued your comments and posted them (except for your duplicate posts). Or, the problem could be with your computer. Have patience, it will all be worked out. ~dbs, mod.]
Fat people sweat more so give off more dihydrogen monoxide and so create even more climate disruption. That’s why there are so many more midges in Scotland and why it rains a lot there;>)
We are all hoping that there will this revelation will be included in AR5, in a new section who’s lead authors are Anthony Bourdain, Bobby Flay, and Guy Fieri.
THEN the IPCC will begin to regain some much needed credibility…even if it has nothing really to do with climate…unless that climate is a taco shack at a Caribbean beach… And instead of a Summary for Policy Makers, they’ll release a Recipes for Policy Makers, with a foreword by Al Gore.
eco-geek says:
Hijacking a thread the strange way.
Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though youāve already said that!
I get this message if I try to post the full comment which has not appeared despite several attempts. Even a short sentence does not appear even after it has been changed from the original. Of course the readers can’t see what isn’t being posted so it will not make much sense to them. I can only post my exasperation and comments on my exasperation. I am being censored on key words it seems. Who is behind this?
[Reply: You are not being censored by WUWT. WordPress, or your computer, may be the problem. ~dbs, mod.]
H.R. says:
August 16, 2011 at 2:19 am
Where does cannibalism fit in to all this?
Do we eat all the fat people?
You havn’t really thought this out have you H.R..
We would end up the fat people then!
another thing we should consider…fat people probably fart more….more methane!!!! Their extra weight probably increases fuel consumption in cars and planes!
Just an add on, amazed at the number of Scots commenting in this website. Good on us Scots for recognising AGW to be the crock it is!!!
Paul
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OK I am going bananas. My original comment has finally appeared “up-top” despite several previous searches trying to find it. There is some inconsistency in the operation of the comments system here. Many of my silly comments have not appeared but many have.
I get utterly fuming about the pseudo-scientific scams used to cause obesity and diabetes. Most of the comments on this post have been made by people who have bought into the lies propagated by the MSM. They believe that fat people are fat because they eat too much and don’t take enough excercise, they believe they output more CO2 because they are fat. This is a cynical lie they are fat becuase they don’t put out enough CO2 because they don’t metabolise. I’m not talking just about the super-fat b*stards begging for gastric bands but many of the readership who are getting just a little podgy and think it’s their fault for eating too much.
You have been conned.
[reply] Iāll check the spam bin. Every comment on WUWT is checked by a real live half-awake overworked human. Thanks for your patience. TB-mod
Thanks for that. It is not necessary now I feel. There seems to be something very odd going on today and I have no idea why. The subject of the post gets me seriously wound-up and especially because so many of the WUWT readership are in a belief state with their brains switched off. It happens to us all because we can’t possibly think about everything under the sun even if we are thinking about something all of the time. Much of the time we have to take on trust what we are being told and believe it is all based on “settled science” with those behind the messages acting in our best interests. Oh were that true! Everything you see and hear in the MSM (with very few exceptions) on the subject of the post (obesity) is a BFL. The media is controlled down to the scripting and production level in many instances and deception, lies by implication and downright full blown lies are daily forced down our throats by the people who pretend expertise in these matters. The authors of this deceitful piece of profiteering propaganda are at best idiots. If you know anything at all about modern obesity it is that the obese put out less CO2 than the slim in >90% of cases. This propaganda piece has nothing to do with AGW at all, that is just a screen for the BFL. While the readers are rightly taking the mickey out of the silly suggestion they make they are still buying into the lie. That is what they want, to sell the lie of obesity. The connection to AGW is a smokescreen.
What’s wrong with obesity? I thought carbon sequestration was supposed to be good–look at all those megatons of carbon locked up in fat!
And why don’t biofuel advocates support processing surplus liposuction fat for an unlimited renewable resource?
How long until before we see a “research study” claiming that stadiums full of cheering, singing fans add to global warming.
Warmer temps and more co2 mean better food production.
I suspect we also evolved to plump up before cooling phases in solar/pdo cycles.
Did they account for the carbon they’re requesting?
Someone should make “I’m not fat, I’m carbon sequestering,” t-shirts. They can come in xxl, xxxl, and Al Gore.
Hang on… Human fat is a long-chain hydrocarbon, right? As in, by weight, it’s mostly carbon atoms. So, by carrying “extra pounds”, we’re actually sequestering carbon. If anything, they should be encouraging us all to carry an extra ten pounds, because if everyone on the planet did that it would be around 3.5 billion tons of carbon sequestered!
Err, sorry, that’s 350,000 tons of carbon – my bad on the conversion there.
tonybr says:
August 16, 2011 at 1:21 am
I hope the BBC, in its blind faith, publicises this as it has to be the most laughable link suggested, beating any and all previously pushed by the high priests of CAGE hysteria and spin
Tony don’t count on the BBC for anything. Today, one of the biggest ever north sea oil finds announced but not on the BBC. Small oil leak in the north sea; front page website news.
say no more š
As a Scot I am greatly embarrasssed that a Scottish seat of learning is so far out of touch with reality that it believes 3% of CO2 makes it ‘the MAJOR greenhouse gas’!
I know much of the populace has been brainwashed into believing this but when a once reputable University declares it as fact, you realise the lunatics are running the asylum!
So, if losing 10Kg reduces CO2, what if I lost it by more exercise which makes me breathe harder. Given we expel around 4% CO2 in our breath, won’t that increase the amount of CO2?
Less obese people are also more active, which could mean more CO2 produced. I bet they didn’t even want to contemplate that area. A complex world needs more complexe studies than this news graber.
the post was funny enough, but eco geeks had me really chuckling.
and re the fats issue I reckon hes right.
natural fats are just fine, and tasty.:-)
and I am skinny.
Billy Connelly could do about half an hour on this one..anyone got his email:-)
A bit of a diversion, but you should see some of the sick comments being made over on the Climate Reality Facebook site (http://www.facebook.com/climatereality), in the thread where they linked a NYTimes piece about rising corn and soybean prices:
“On the upside, fat people die sooner. lol”
“And when the economy collapses, as it will soon, the fit and prepared with be able to take out the greedy ones with ease. Work is not something they do often.”
“I think this is a time to weed out all the lazy idiots. Im my opinion if you cant grow, fish or hunt your own food if need be then you deserve to starve.”
I am gaining weight as a biological adaptation to living in a cold northern climate.
I’m not getting fat, I’m evolving.
That’s my story, I’m sticking to it.
eco-geek says:
August 16, 2011 at 2:04 am
I was going to post a one word comment, but in recognition of your discovery of the ill-understood WP spam filter, I salute you persistence and note no human censored you. (Though one could have limited the damage.)
Oh yeah, Scottish obesity crisis:
Haggis.
That’s terrible, I’d never heard of the Robert Gordon University and now I can see why if this is what passes for reseaerch there.
Even the most basic search would have shown that all CO2 emited from humans regardless of weight are carbon neutral. The CO2 has already been taken out of the atmosphere and is derived from the food they eat. The only exception to this is the increase in fossil fuels that are burned to transport obese people about or prepare the increased food that they eat.
With global warming our bodies would heat up, we’d eat less, and lose weight. The average increase in weight is a sign that the earth is cooling- we need all those extra pounds to keep warm.
A trio of experts…
The definition of ‘expert’:
ex – has-been
spurt – a drip under pressure
Their conclusions seem consistent with their definition as experts.
I think Eco Geek is off his Lithium compounds.
I assume the “lose weight and save the planet” calculation is based on reduced consumption and fuel efficency increases for transporting lighter people. The consumption arguement might be moot due to higher metabolic rates used to reduce weight in the first place but the other factors which include transportation, smaller clothes, furniture that lasts longer, less need for medical services, etc probably offset that.
Can I get carbon credits for losing weight? I already have a certificate for one billion carbon offsets from freecarbonoffsets.com so I probably don’t need any more.
Eco-geek,
Sorry you had such a hard time posting. I’ve had the same problems from time to time. Often my comment appears after fifteen minutes or so, despite not getting a “Your comment is awaiting moderation” message.
That being said, and despite having suffered as you have suffered, I got a chuckle out of your anguish. It made a very funny thread funnier.
Another thing that is messing up our diet is high fructose corn syrup. The body does not recognize it as sugar, although it tastes sweet. As I recall, the liver turns it to fat swiftly.
It pays to eat as our great-grandparents ate, as much as possible. The problem is, it takes longer to prepare food the old fashioned way, and we’re all in a hurry.
aaron says:
August 16, 2011 at 4:39 am
Did they account for the carbon theyāre requesting?
Someone should make āIām not fat, Iām carbon sequestering,ā t-shirts.
Uh, I could see that on the back of some folks pants/shorts/skirts, too!
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That surely must be Johnny Walker University, not Robert Gordon’s.
Ten kilos, about 22 pounds, at 3,000 Kilo calories per pound would produce how much CO2 to burn off? TImes how many millions of people… This is supposed to reduce CO2?
The obesity issue is an important, rather serious health issue. Linking it to “global warming” is, of course absurd, and just makes a mockery of it. People who are obese and/or even slightly overweight most likely already feel enough anguish and guilt about their condition (self-inflicted or not), and certainly don’t need more piled on.
As far as trans-fats, I don’t believe they are healthy, and we try to avoid them, but I think it has to do more with the fact that they cause inflamation which wreaks havoc with the circulatory system and other nasty things, being of the Omega 6 variety. The rule of thumb seems to be to limit saturated fats, eschew trans fats, and go to town with polyunsaturated and monosaturated fats.
Of course, it goes without saying that people should exercise more, which not only burns calories, but raises your basal metabolism rate, thus burning more even when inactive.
I believe the jury is still out about HFC syrup – I have seen both sides argued, and am not convinced either way.
I maybe over weight, but at least I’m not a fathead like these researches.
Bruce Cobb says:
August 16, 2011 at 8:10 am
> I believe the jury is still out about HFC syrup ā I have seen both sides argued, and am not convinced either way.
Ditto – the first step in sucrose metabolism is to split sucrose into glucose and fructose, and those two join a common metabolism chain quickly. It occurred to me that maybe fructose metabolism is faster than the sucrose cleaving, so eating sucrose would lead to low concentrations of fructose, eating HFC would create a fructose spike, and I’ve read som bad things about fructose and heart disease. I don’t have time to read this now, but I just found http://www.medbio.info/Horn/Time%201-2/carbohydrate_metabolism.htm which has far more knowledge than I have, I’ll spend more time with it later.
This really is something that you could not make up. How is it that people who do not understand what a cycle is can be designated “researchers”?
After spending a few days camping in south carolina, I can tell you that if the world would heat up, everybody would lose 10 kilos. Nobody felt like eating when it was that hot.
It’s also supposed to be starving people. Go figure. It’s just one of the many items for “the list” John Brignell has maintained for years of things allegedly caused by AGW.
Literally THOUSANDS of different, often mutually contradictory things.
This priceless, i used to say that fat people contributed to global warming as a joke back in 2000 LOL. Trust me, I’m the biggest idiot anyone will ever meet but someone decided to take me seriously I guess LOL. i don’t know whether to sue for copyright infringement, because this is technically my bit, or be incredibly humbled hahaha.
10 kg is exactly what I lost during the last 18 months – through the only sensible way: exercise. But I’m pretty sure I emit more co2 now – all that exercise makes me consume more calories, not less!
A quote from the article:
‘The team were inspired to investigate the link between obesity and global warming after reading a paper written by academics Ian Roberts and Robin Stott in November 2010 which put out a call for collective action from health professionals against the causes of climate change.
‘Dr Rolland continues: “The current climate change has been most likely caused by the increased greenhouse gas emissions, and one of the direct producers of these gases is human beings. As such, Professor Broom felt that we were in an ideal position to present our data in a way that responded to this call by Roberts and Stott.‘
Two points. First, I don’t know how others interpret the above passage, but I interpret it as follows: “You can get money to investigate anything provided you connect your research to the evil effects of man-made global warming.”
Second, I’ve broken the code. I now know the real goal of global warming alarmism: “Worry causes hand wringing which uses energy which induces weight loss which contributes to saving the Earth.” Now if I can figure out why the GW alarmists didn’t tell me this when they started the scare.
Perhaps Mrs. Obama will pick up on this for her anti-obesity campaign and link it to President Obama’s avowed war against CO2 emissions.
Never mind that skinny people who exercise a lot emit much more CO2 than obese people who exercise very little, and that there has been no global warming in the last 12 years despite a continuing increase in atmospheric CO2.
Hold on! Losing weight means burning mass means releasing CO2. How is this going to lower emissions, not that lowering emissions is desirable in the first place as CO2 is PLANT FOOD?
And Espen is right. When people are in better shape, they can burn through more calories by being fit and more active than being sedentary.
Here is a poster or paper by a warmist Ivory Tower dweller who argues that whales are “the forest of the sea” because their fat bodies bind so much carbon.
http://www.seascapemodeling.org/seascape_projects/PershingSMMbiennial.jpg
AGW is bi-winning again! Fat bodies good for climate, fat bodies bad for climate! Doublethink!
@Kelvin Vaughan says:
August 16, 2011 at 3:42 am
H.R. says:
August 16, 2011 at 2:19 am
Where does cannibalism fit in to all this?
Do we eat all the fat people?
You havnāt really thought this out have you H.R..
We would end up the fat people then!
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Uh-oh. Sounds like a “last man standing” proposition.
Fatter = Slower = Dinner. Rinse and repeat.
On a more cheerful note, at least the vegans won’t tan your hide for the leather.
eco-geek, give it up on the one word silliness. I think your original post was posted, intact, at 1:58 am.
Only 1/2 joking, and prepared without the cost of a publicly-funded grant:
More energy is used by transportation systems moving larger (i.e. heavier) people.
A greater area of clothing, needing more energy to produce, is needed to cover a larger body.
one day somebody will compute that life itself is a big source of CO2. Then in order to save the planet they’ll detonate that Alpha-Omega bomb.
Bruce Cobb,
You say:
The rule of thumb seems to be to limit saturated fats, eschew trans fats, and go to town with polyunsaturated and monosaturated fats.
You have bought into the lie. Trans fats are by definition unsaturated fats. In the UK trans fats are labelled as unsaturated fats. Indeed its getting so cynical that omega Xs are more usually trans fats these days. Saturated fats are harmless. But going to town on polunsaturated fats and monounsaturated fats is a recipe for obesity, diabetes,CV disease, Alzheimers, breast cancer, impotence, cellulite and much much more. Mostly unsaturates=trans-fats is the rule,
Caleb,
It was completely weird. Every time I tried to post the main comment or a subsection of it nothing happened – and I did it lots of times and checked lots of times – but every time I posted the odd word or interposting comment it turned up! Looked like an intelligent automatic censorship system! I of course looked like a paranoid android. Guess I am….
Ric,
Ah! I get it. The lack of a “your comment is awaiting moderation” notice led to:
Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam,
spam and spam?
Choir (intervening):
Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!
Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam.
Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Spam spam spam spam!
Apologies to Monty Spamthon
Did you know that SPAM was withdrawn from the supermarket shelves here in the UK a couple of decades ago due to a falling market? Then with the growth of the internet and spamming the market re-emerged and SPAM is back on our shelves! I must get a tin and sit it on my monitor…
Don MacLean wrote: “As a Scot I am greatly embarrasssed that a Scottish seat of learning is so far out of touch with reality that it believes 3% of CO2 makes it āthe MAJOR greenhouse gasā!”
Don, don’t feel too bad. At least two government-provided or -supported websites here in New Brunswick totally omit water from their listing of “greenhouse gases”.
IanM
Ok, if you were 10 Kg lighter you might respire less CO2. However, all the plants and animals that you would have eaten if you hadn’t dieted and lost 10 Kg will be respiring CO2. Maybe obese people are a carbon sink!
At least global warming isn’t threatening the Tardigrades.
Caleb says:
Another thing that is messing up our diet is high fructose corn syrup. The body does not recognize it as sugar, although it tastes sweet. As I recall, the liver turns it to fat swiftly.
Yes, very true: I am allergic to high fructose corn syrup, and have to carefully examine the ingredients label quite carefully. Upon those occasions when I have a soft drink, it must have real sugar in it, Sarsaparilla is one of my favorites.
They missed the biggest problem with obesity with regard to global warming: When you press the red button and an obese denier explodes, it goes EVERYWHERE!
Best laugh of the month. Thanks. š
Well there is direct correlation between fatness, and global temperature. Its is also a FACT that blubber acts as insulation. This thus makes the Obesopogengic Global Warming thesis at least as plausible as the AGW – I always had my suspicions fat people would harbingers of the apocalypse.
People have also largely ignored the contribution fat people make in terms of methane production!!!!
Of course it is also true that exercising and a vigorous lifestyle produces a lot of CO2 as well. So apparently we need to stop that and sit down. And knock off the chatter. Produces too much CO2.
Aw, c’mon, guys – you must be able to see how this came about…
CORE researchers: ‘We need some more funds to research obesity..’
‘Sorry, guys, there’s no money – you know the state of the public finances…’
‘We’ll link it to anthropogenic climate change..’
‘How much do you need..?’
As usual, the warmists have the causal arrow pointing backwards. Warming causes fatness, as less is burned off to maintain body heat.