From Tom Nelson – too good not to share.
More proof that Fraudster Al Gore doesn’t know how to use the Internet
Al’s Journal: June26th, 2011 Ice and Snow Disappearing from Mt. Rainier
The effects of the climate crisis are hitting closer and closer to home:
Deep Snow Delaying Opening of Sunrise Area at Mount Rainier National Park | National Parks Traveler
[June 21, 2011] Too much snow will keep the Sunrise area in Mount Rainier National Park closed through the Fourth of July weekend and until at least July 8, according to park officials. Also, the White River Campground won’t open until July 1.
As the accompanying photos show, there really is a lot of snow still waiting to melt away at Sunrise.
And it isn’t just Washington:
Western snow pack is well above normal, Squaw Valley sets new all time snow record
And here’s Willis complete and thorough debunking of another recent snowfall study claiming reduction in snowpack: Gotta Admire The Chutzpah
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They compared 1970’s “estimates” with 2007’s ” measurements”, I would like to know about the accuracy of estimating glacial thickness from aerial photos.
Unfortunately fir trees do not grow that much during the winter.(or even during a couple of winters for that matter) – Have a close, critical, look at the two pictures – and be disappointed – that is if you think this story and the two pictures go well together.
@Mike Lewis and Brian H;
I cannot agree with you. The size of the marker tree top in both pics is about the same, yet the horizontal distance from the marker tree to the foreground trees in the summer pic is nearly twice that in the winter pic. The difference in height of the trees behind and to the right of the marker tree cannot be accounted for just from the shot angle or distance. Furthermore, if the winter pic is looking down onto the tops of the foreground trees there appear to be a significantly larger number of stems than in the summer pic. And finally the hillside behind the restrooms n the summer pic is a long distance in the background, but in the winter pic is appears immediately behind the alleged snow-covered restrooms with very large diameter trees. There seem to be just way too many discrepancies to convince me they are the same, even if it was shot from a helo. If the actual photographer that shot both images comes forward with an explanation, I might change my mind.
Mark says:
June 27, 2011 at 5:22 am
…but weather doesn’t make climate…
Uh? Thirty years worth of weather is climate!
Adam, -why – if the tree-top ringed red is more or less unchanged are the trees to the right and left of it so big?
Again, we’re called the D-word because we supposedly deny a changing climate exists, yet Gore seems to think the snowpack, glaciers, rainfall patterns, sea levels, etc ad nauseum, should remain constant and unchanging. If there were too much snow and it never melted in the summer, they’d be screaming “ICE AGE!!”, but when it melts a week earlier than “normal” it’s “GLOBAL WARMING!!”. Don’t they realize there’s no such thing as “normal”, and that very few things will be average?
That would make it NOT permanent, wouldn’t it.
I’ll bet most of the glacier loss on Rainier occurred before 1950, as most around the world has.
I cannot understand why so many Americans and others continue to venerate Al Gore. He only opens his mouth to change feet!
The more Gore Fails, the larger his credentials become for the progressives. It seems like an unwritten law like Murphy’s that one can only point to the myriad of times it has happened – and yet they still look to him as the second coming of Gaia.
Thank you Mike and Brian.
Yeah, and what happened to the people in the picture? /sarc
It is pretty obvious to me that the photographer in the snow covered picture is at least 50 feet further away from the building and maybe 50 yards to the right of the building.
Jeff Alberts says @ur momisugly June 27, 2011 at 7:48 am “Again, we’re called the D-word because we supposedly deny a changing climate exists, yet Gore seems to think the snowpack, glaciers, rainfall patterns, sea levels, etc ad nauseum, should remain constant and unchanging. ”
That is a strawman augment – climate science isn’t saying that nothing should change. Climate science is warning that the rate and cause that are different now…
I notice from the source of the photographs linked to above that they are both from the National Parks Service.
Are the doubters here suggesting that the NPS faked the photos?
“Climate science is warning that the rate and cause that are different now…”
Actually, it’s not. Politicians and pseudo-religious types are saying that.
The pictures come from the NPS Mt. Rainier web site see link for article and pictures of this years snow. The snow depth in some of the National Parks this late in the year is truly impressive but probably not record breaking. I follow the Glacier National Park site as I will be up there in a few weeks and I am hoping that Going to the Sun road is open but its looking mid July right now.
http://www.nps.gov/mora/parknews/delayed-opening-and-free-entrance.htm
On a side note. I was looking for historical opening dates for GTSR and came upon a Glacier National Park chat site. Looking at historic averages for opening dates from 1950 to 2002 the average opening date is June 7 but if you use 1950 to 2010 the average opening date is June 14 and using just the last 8 years the average opening date is June 23. Doesn’t look like snow is disapearing in the northern Rockies.
http://glacier.nationalparkschat.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5998&p=68975
It’s about time to start feeling sorry for Al Gore. The people he snowed used to have deeper pockets.
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Moderate Republican says:
June 27, 2011 at 8:15 am
Jeff Alberts says @ur momisugly June 27, 2011 at 7:48 am “Again, we’re called the D-word because we supposedly deny a changing climate exists, yet Gore seems to think the snowpack, glaciers, rainfall patterns, sea levels, etc ad nauseum, should remain constant and unchanging. ”
That is a strawman augment – climate science isn’t saying that nothing should change. Climate science is warning that the rate and cause that are different now…
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Again, you are welcome to prove your case for AGW by providing links to support your view..
You might try that for a change- see if your ‘evidence’ stands up to scrutiny.
Katherine, OHD, etc.;
the trees to the right are not bigger. They’re just more visible, because the photog is higher off the ground (standing on all the snow, Duh!), and so more of the trees are visible. Also, the second is shot from further back and ‘offscreen left’ compared to the first. The roofline is rather clear, and gives you the right orientation.
Your fantasies of being deceived are groundless. So sorry.
I estimate the damage an article does to the AGW cause by the number of trolls that pop up here with specious arguments in response. This article is a winner.
Washington State is sitting out global warming. A bit of a dichotomy given what a blue state this is. Not only that – our newest glacier is doing just fine, thank you. It is forming a glistening necklace of ice around the new lava dome inside the crater of Mt. St. Helens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_Glacier
http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/views/static-highdef.php
Glad to seem I’m not the only one that’s read the story.
From 6/27/2011 Mount Rainier web page:
http://www.nps.gov/mora/index.htm
Sunrise opening with limited services July 1, 2011.
Crews continue to clear snow from Sunrise. Utilities and services will be limited. Trails are covered in deep snow and winter conditions persist. The Sunrise Day Lodge & gift shop will be open.
So … as you dodged the core subject matter of this post by Tom Nelson, has Gore in your opinion has a) hit or b) missed the mark with his (Algore’s) post on his journal?
Here’s what Al Gore posted in his journal: Al’s Journal: June26th, 2011 Ice and Snow Disappearing from Mt. Rainier:
Whereas reality is indicating something different: Deep Snow Delaying Opening of Sunrise Area at Mount Rainier National Park | National Parks Traveler
As others have noted, you don’t seem to pay too much attention to cites, links or facts … so I don’t expect anything resembling cogency …
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MR, your response is a strawman. The quote you repeated said nothing about “climate science”, but rather Al Gore. So unless you are a spokesman for him, or can channel his thoughts, your response is non-sequitur.
@Luther Wu says:
“climate science isn’t saying that nothing should change. Climate science is warning that the rate and cause that are different now…”
Actually that’s a simplification. Climate science isn’t warning that at all. Some climate scientist, and a whole lot of CAGW believers, are saying and warning about that though, yet without actually proving anything.
Rational climate scientists on the other hand aren’t warning anyone of CAGW because there’s no proof of any such thing.
Why warn about something that there is no proof of?