This seems like a good idea, and I’ll be happy to dedicate a page to it if readers help fill in.
WUWT reader Charles Harrison uses the new submit story feature (see header menu) to ask this:
I would like to have a personal collection of AGW quotations to use in presentations, etc. Things like no more snow, the latest proposal to tattoo skeptics, the need to bring about the end of industrial civilization, etc.
I think this would be fun and useful and maybe Anthony could make a spot for it on the reference page. If nothing else, I would like to be sure I have correct attributions when I use these quotes.
here’s the michael mann “icon” quote:
28 June 2010: UK Telegraph: Louise Gray: Michael Mann says hockey stick should not have become ‘climate change icon’
The scientist behind the controversial ‘hockey stick’ graph has said it was ‘somewhat misplaced’ to make his work an ‘icon of the climate change debate’
However, speaking to the BBC recently, Prof Mann, a climatologist at Pennsylvania State University, said he had always made clear there were “uncertainties” in his work.
“I always thought it was somewhat misplaced to make it a central icon of the climate change debate,” he said. ..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7849441/Michael-Mann-says-hockey-stick-should-not-have-become-climate-change-icon.html
There are many sites that list the most scarily misanthropic quotes attributed to green extremists. But I haven’t found any that give sources for these quotes. That would be a very worthy addition. We need to be careful not to use forged quotes that have just been endlessly repeated on the web.
Bob Hunter of Greenpeace. Talking to Patrick Moore.
” Pat, this is the beginning of something really important and very powerful. But there is a very good chance it will become a kind of ecofascism. Not everyone can get a Phd in ecology. So the only way to change the behavior of the masses is to create a popular mythology, a religion of the environment where people simply have faith in the gurus.”
Here are some CAGW related quotes:
“Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”
“Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.”
“Carbon dioxide which is a naturally occurring gas vital to the life cycles of this planet”
“This may be a lot of fun for a few scientific and environmental elites in Ottawa, but ordinary Canadians from coast to coast will not put up with what this will do to their economy and lifestyle”
“We can debate whether or not… CO₂ does or does not contribute to global warming. I think the jury is out.”
“My party’s position on the Kyoto Protocol is clear and has been for a long time. We will oppose ratification of the Kyoto Protocol and its targets. We will work with the provinces and others to discourage the implementation of those targets. And we will rescind the targets when we have the opportunity to do so”
“As economic policy, the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraud”
Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.
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http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
“I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.”
Statement of Dr. David Deming
University of Oklahoma
College of Earth and Energy
Climate Change and the Media
Give “Pulitzer winner” Ross Gelbspan kudos for the 2004 brilliant admonition, and all its prior versions, “For many years, the press accorded the same weight to the “skeptics” as it did to mainstream scientists. This was done in the name of journalistic balance. In fact, it was journalistic laziness.”
From:
http://www.globalwarming.org/2011/06/02/media-too-fair-to-climate-skeptics-say-reporters-whove-been-unfair-to-skeptics
Destined to become a classic:
““From these and other extreme-weather events, one lesson is sinking in with terrifying certainty. The stable climate of the last 12,000 years is gone.”
Sharon Begley, writing at the Daily Beast
http://revkin.tumblr.com/post/5986838354/stable-climate-of-past-12-000-years-hardly
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Phil Carke: yes, the highway was rebuilt, due to flooding. But in the elevated sections, because of poor drainage. Not because of encroaching sea levels.
It was a challenge to hold on to the steering wheel at 40 MPH with those cobblestones, and was extremely slick when wet. During heavy rainstorms, the tiny sewer gratings would clog up with road debris and silt, causing water to collect on the roadway at “low points” on the elevated structure. Because the curbing was so high, the water could get deep — about a foot or so — slowing traffic to a crawl. This was probably one of the few elevated roads that could be blocked due to flooding during a rainstorm!
Mary-Elena Carr of Columbia University’s Earth Institute said what is now an annual sea level rise of a few millimeters will increase dramatically by the year 2100.
“There’s just no escaping one meter by 2100. No escaping that. Could it be more? Absolutely. Is it likely to be 10? No,” she said.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/environment/Rising-Sea-Levels-Threaten-Island-Nations-122628579.html
I’ve got 100 pages of formal quotes & cites from warmists (not just online commenters) that I’d like to submit to moderators / curators of an edited thread. I don’t want to clog this thread with it. Is there some moderator I can e-mail it to?
Put them onto a public file server and then post the link onto the thread
The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn’t statistically significant.
http://bit.ly/6qYf9a
The verification period, the biggest “miss” was an apparently very warm year in the late 19th century that we did not get right at all. This makes criticisms of the “antis” difficult to respond to (they have not yet risen to this level of sophistication, but they are “on the scent”).
http://bit.ly/ggpyM1
I agree with Roger Knights about the need for an “input queue” and a moderated display area, also with Lachlan O’Dea that the mods need to watch out *very* closely for the urban myths so beloved of the Interweb. (On reflection, a reference page of those might be useful too.) It’s a great idea, and as someone who can often remember a quote, but seldom remember where it came from, I’d find it an excellent resource. Personally, I’d also like to see a related page of similarly validated terrifying quotes from the political arena where so much of this scary stuff sstarts, but there’s always the danger that that would move WUWT too far away from science and towards politics … and that, as “climate science” itself proves, is seriously dangerous to one’s integrity.
“There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men.”
– Sir J.E.E. Dalberg (Baron Acton) (who also gave us “Power tends to corrupt”)
There is no reason to give them any data, in my opinion, and I think we do so at our own peril!
http://bit.ly/bn5Js8
“The debate is over … ”
Al Gore
Here’s a special bonus quote just for Phil Clarke:
Effects on the global temperature of large increases in carbon dioxide and aerosol densities in the atmosphere of Earth have been computed. It is found that, although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. Because of the exponential dependence of the backscattering, the rate of temperature decrease is augmented with increasing aerosol content. An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5 ° K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age.
The “late, great” Stephen Schneider, 1971
Should we blame mankind for destroying the Earth by ice age or destroying the Earth by fiery floods? I think that’s what Schneider meant by “double ethical bind”.
2 Questions Phil:
#1 – What was causing the original road to flood? Was it higher sea levels (overwashing) or poor drainage?
#2 – Was the road built higher than before? And if so, how much and in what year?
You see, real scientists ask these questions. Disciples of AGW merely parrot what they are told.
Phil Clarke: Just to elaborate on my previous post, and on PhilJourdan’s post, the flooding on the west side high way was NOT due to ocean encroachment.
The highway was elevated, but the drainage was terrible.
I have seen this in Nigeria, with flooding on overpasses, 20-40 ft above ground level. This was the flooding that occurred on the West side highway also.
Hi Anthony,
The response to my post has been great and just what I was hoping to see. I know you’re a busy guy. I would certainly be willing to volunteer my time to help assemble the beast and do my best to provide proper citations for everything if that would be helpful. I have an Ed.D. and I think I could probably get it into a proper APA format so people could use it.
Chip
Phil Clarke provides te usual enterntainment factor and confirmation of blind belief in not bothering to check facts in a hurry to post pro-AGW stuff.
Well thanks for confirming that the road today is not the one Hansen was referring to, (which flooded out in the storms of December 1992 by the way, submerging over 50 cars and requiring drivers to be rescued by scuba divers).
Clearly the correct thing to do is ignore all the thousands of words Dr Hansen has expended in the academic literature, in favour of a misreported ad-hoc remark to a journalist.
Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
Naomi Oreskes surveys the literature
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change <Science 2004
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full
I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.”
Shame Deming couldn’t name his source.
Shame he deleted the mail, the context would have been interesting; and memory can play tricks.
Interesting that Andrew Montford names the source as Jonathon Overpeck, who claims never to have had anything to do with Deming.
Overpeck said last week that he had searched through his e-mails dating back a decade, and could find none like Deming referred to. Overpeck pointed out that he has written papers dating to the late 1990s saying that various records, including tree rings, stretching back 1,200 years, confirm earlier assertions that the Medieval period was warmer than today in the North Atlantic and northern Europe – but not globally.
“My papers are the record of fact, and in this case, I obviously did not try to get rid of the MWP,” Overpeck said. “Instead, I have tried hard to be clear what it likely was and was not.” http://azstarnet.com/news/science/environment/article_e5078cae-6655-5139-aa6c-3f7f33a670a8.html