From the Princeton news website
Technologies for removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere are unlikely to offer an economically feasible way to slow human-driven climate change for several decades, according to a report issued by the American Physical Society and led by Princeton engineer Robert Socolow.
“We humans should not kid ourselves that we can pour all the carbon dioxide we wish into the atmosphere right now and pull it out later at little cost,” said Socolow, a professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering.
The report, issued by a committee of 13 experts, was co-chaired by Socolow and Michael Desmond, a chemist at BP. The group looked at technologies known as “Direct Air Capture,” or DAC, which would involve using chemicals to absorb carbon dioxide from the open air, concentrating the carbon dioxide, and then storing it safely underground.
[The full report is available from the American Physical Society.]
In essence, the committee found that such a strategy would be far more expensive than simply preventing the emission of the carbon dioxide in the first place.Making optimistic assumptions about initial DAC technologies, the committee concluded that, from the evidence it had seen, building and operating a system would cost at least $600 per metric ton of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere, for a system that could work today. Building a system big enough to compensate for the emissions of a 1,000-megawatt coal power plant would require 30 kilometers of equipment. In comparison, removing carbon dioxide from the flue gas of a coal-fired power plant would cost about $80 per ton.
As a result, the group concluded, DAC is not likely to become worthwhile until nearly all the significant point sources of carbon dioxide are eliminated.
“We ought to be developing plans to bring to an end the carbon dioxide emissions at every coal and natural gas power plant on the planet,” Socolow said. Beyond using electricity more efficiently, options are to modify plants so their emissions are kept from the atmosphere or to shut them down entirely and replace them with low-carbon alternatives, he said.
“We don’t have to do this job overnight. But the technologies we studied in this report, capable of removing carbon dioxide from the air, are not a substitute for addressing power plants directly,” Socolow added.
The possibility of using DAC has arisen in policy discussions that contemplate a so-called “overshoot” strategy in which the target level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is exceeded and then reduced later through use of some air capture technology.
In its report, the group noted that, “No demonstration or pilot-scale DAC system has yet been deployed anywhere on earth, and it is entirely possible that no DAC concept under discussion today or yet to be invented will actually succeed in practice. Nonetheless, DAC has entered policy discussions and deserves close analysis.”
Socolow noted that while the contents of the report serve as a warning against complacency, the experience of developing the report offers grounds for optimism. “The message of hope is that smart scientists and engineers are getting more and more interested in energy and climate problems,” Socolow said.
“The committee that worked on this problem included both senior researchers and researchers starting their careers, and both industry experts and academics,” he continued. “The review process elicited contributions from thirty to forty others. Everyone was a volunteer. Leading this project convinced me that scientists and engineers are poised to provide many creative strategies to reduce the risks of dangerous climate change.”
The DAC assessment began when it was authorized by the American Physical Society’s Panel of Public Affairs in 2008. Socolow’s first co-chair was William Brinkman, who was then a senior research physicist at Princeton and now directs the Office of Science at the Department of Energy. They convened a meeting of experts at Princeton in March 2009, but then Brinkman’s move to Washington required him to step down from the group. Socolow continued the project, first with co-chair Arun Majumdar, who stepped down to direct the Department of Energy’s Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy initiative, then with Desmond.
Socolow co-directs Princeton’s Carbon Mitigation Initiative, leads the Siebel Energy Grand Challenge, and is an associated faculty member of the Princeton Environmental Institute and the Andlinger Center for Energy and the Environment.
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The APS report is here: Direct Air Capture of CO2 with Chemicals Report (2.4 MB) ![]()

It frightens me that Socolow, Desmond and the other so-called “scientists” are given any credence at all. As mentioned numerous times in postings above, CO2 is naturally removed from the atmosphere by green plants, something they require to produce sugars for their food and the O2 we require for life. And also as mentioned in postings above, the CO2 produced by man is almost inconsequential to that produced by natural phenomena, such as volcanic activity. Where do these idiots come from? Are PHD’s given away by the universities?
“We ought to be developing plans to bring to an end the carbon dioxide emissions at every coal and natural gas power plant on the planet,” Socolow said.
I’m sure he said this from the comfort of his well-lit, heated/air conditioned office (thanks to the local power plant and natural gas lines), while eating a bagel delivered by a gasoline powered truck, and using a computer made partially from petroleum products…
Well-funded climate elites find it remarkably easy to tell other people that they must live in poverty and hardship in order to satisfy their own CAGW fantasies…
I have just developed a model.
A scientific computer model.
It shows all the benefits of reducing the CO2 level in the atmosphere.
In a spirit of generosity, I hereby bequive it to the WORLD.
Her goes.
Ready now.
(It’s all in primative BASIC for all to read).
10 A$
GOTO 10
20 END
That’s all folks.
I’ll try again.
I may be a genius scientist, but this computer thing is very difficult, ain’t it?
10 A$ = ” ”
20 PRINT A$
30 GOTO 20
40 END
tHE LAST LINE IS excess to requirements.
Bu we were always told to end a program with an END statement.
Somthing about avoiding an endless loop or something.
I really can’t remember, but it was important, really.
D.U.H.
Maybe instead of ethanol subsidies we should just sequester our corn crop in deep mine shafts.
Sarcasm/ off
I guess this post says that AusiDan is as old as I am. 10 home – goto 10. lol
Direct removal of CO2 is easy. Plant some Bamboo.
I’ve got Bambusa Oldhami in my back yard. The stuff is just a couple of years old, about 40 foot tall, and has sucked far more CO2 from the air than it’s footprint on the ground.
Trees, especially fast growth Eucalyptus and Cottonwood, do about as well:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/got-wood/
“Make as many small purchases as possible. Buy as many small items as possible and insist on a paper bag”
In my town you pay 15 cents tax per paper bag and plastic bags are against the law.
The sciency part goes like this: “After careful study, we do not believe that it will be economically feasible to remove carbon from the atmosphere to any significant degree for the next few decades.”
Everything else is political babble.
Of course, the actual reason for having conducted the research in the first place was also political babble.
*Doh*
Who are these clowns at Princeton?
Have they not heard of the Carbon Cycle?
Do they not realize that plants desperately need CO2 to survive?
Do they not realize that plants do every day for nothing what they say cannot be done?
Do they not realize that all life on earth is carbon based?
Do they not realize that without CO2 this planet would be just a chunk of sandy rock?
“Leading this project convinced me that scientists and engineers are poised to provide many creative strategies to reduce the risks of dangerous climate change.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?
E.M.Smith says:
May 9, 2011 at 10:25 pm…
My thoughts exactly similar.
Or, howzabout getting those wind turbines put to good use (instead of knocking merry he11 out out whichever national grid they’re attached to) by using them to ‘fix nitrogen’.
In its simplest form, use the windmill to drive a spark plug to produce NOx and dissolve the stuff in water.
Possibly further convert it to ammonia and or nitrate then sprinkle gently over any nearby rainforest.
Or, maybe even sell/give the nitrogen to any farmer and let him grow food with it – it’ll save all the CO2 that nitrate production currently emits and in (back of envelope) fact, the present UK fleet of windmills presently make as much energy as UK farmers use in the form of (nitrate) fertiliser.
Its win win win – the CO2 is not emitted, the grid isn’t crashed/blacked out, the windmills do something useful (feed people) and the Natural Gas saved could keep a fair few cars on the road while releasing half the CO2 their petrol (gasoline) equivalents do……
“Circular Logic 101” — Now, (SarcOn) turn around slowly. As this method is just tooooo expensive, and is bound to fail anyway, you’ll see that, as always, “THE ANSWER”, The Only Answer, Our Only Hope, is to change the way everything is done. The answer is a bigger, badder, meaner UN (and IPCC), a General Assembly with “Real” Power, a Security Council where all members rotate (no more “superdupper” veto-member stuff), and a Secretary General like, oh… yes, yes, “BIG BROTHER”!!!! That way everything is possible. We can save the World! Because –don’t tell or you’ll spoil the surprise for all the ‘people’ we’re NOT inviting to the party– the ONLY way to save everything is to destroy everything AND reduce the surplus population. How to regulate and deminish CO2? Close factories! Outlaw cars and airlpanes and chemical plants and fast food outlets, the list is endless. AND population? No Kids! Nada! Kids are to be regulated in every way — color, smell, size, IQ. etc. etc. So when these “little” plans like removing CO2 out of the air fall apart –as they no-doubt always will– there are still the Prime Directives to keep us focused and heading in the “right” direction: 1.) global govenment and 2.) population control. Welcome to The Brave New World –wipe your feet– take a seat; what’s your age, IQ, Mother’s maiden name…..?(SarcOff)
I remembered this: http://tinyurl.com/6b38ncr
A bunch of images of artificial trees to capture CO2. I think the images with the “trees” plastered in a desert like landscape says everything about these types of carbon dioxide hubris projects.
John Marshall says:
May 10, 2011 at 2:50 am
Who are these clowns at Princeton?
Who are these clowns on WUWT who don’t read the report?
Catcracking says:
May 9, 2011 at 4:24 pm
“In its report, the group noted that, “No demonstration or pilot-scale DAC system has yet been deployed anywhere on earth, and it is entirely possible that no DAC concept under discussion today or yet to be invented will actually succeed in practice. Nonetheless, DAC has entered policy discussions and deserves close analysis.”
I wonder if they have seen these photo’s and other info below?
I’m sure they have, however that was not what the report was about, try reading it.
Greg Cavanagh says:
May 9, 2011 at 5:17 pm
I can think of two methods off the top of my head. No idea how viable they are though.
1. Run the exhaust air from a power station through green houses. What is usable by plants will be used, and you get a good return on your investment to boot.
2. Bubble the exhaust through water. This could be a sewerage effluent plant, fresh water with algae, or salt water with algae. I believe the salt water algae version is used in animal food pellets and fertiliser.
Another one who can’t read, that is the option that was priced at $80/ton, it however wasn’t the process that was being considered!
Nuclear the only one that works and its cheap.
Roll on China and Thorium reactors, the western civilisation is coming to an end, your time has arrived. Whatever happens do NOT embrace Democracy, it will kill you, expensively.
David Keith is heading up an CO2 air capture program at the University of Calgary.
See Air Capture publications
They observe:
Frank K. says:
May 9, 2011 at 7:45 pm
“We ought to be developing plans to bring to an end the carbon dioxide emissions at every coal and natural gas power plant on the planet,” Socolow said.
I’m sure he said this from the comfort of his well-lit, heated/air conditioned office (thanks to the local power plant and natural gas lines),
Actually thanks to the extremely efficient co-generation scheme that he proposed to the university about 15 years ago.
http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/07/1022/fuel/
greg holmes
Whatever happens do NOT embrace Democracy, it will kill you, expensively.
No, it isn’t Democracy (read freedom) that will kill you, it is lack of Democracy that will kill you. the problem is that we have bureaucrats trying to make these decisions for us.
MikeEE
Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
Did they ever stop to think that trees remove CO2 from the air? Once you go to Princeton you stop knowing that? I mean really.
Seems to be an issue with Universities in general. Has me quite concerned for my children.
My father used to refer to the “Educated Fools” he worked for. They were so “educated”, they had no room for simple common sense left in their heads.
I am quite convinced the root of the problem is academic isolation – students who leave college and immediately return to teach, without experiencing reality outside the academic setting. Everything is taught as a theoretical ideal, and pronouncements made based on that, rather than on how any of it works in the real world.