Pielke Senior on Geoengineering

Guest post by Dr. Roger Pielke Senior

Comment on The BBC News Article By Richard Black On Climate Geoengineering

There is an article on BBC News on April 6 2011 by Richard Black titled

Climate ‘technical fix’ may yield warming, not cooling

The article starts with the text

“Whitening clouds by spraying them with seawater, proposed as a “technical fix” for climate change, could do more harm than good, according to research.’

Whiter clouds reflect more solar energy back into space, cooling the Earth.

But a study presented at the European Geosciences Union meeting found that using water droplets of the wrong size would lead to warming, not cooling.”

This article further underscores how little we know about the climate system. To deliberately alter the system by geoengineering is, therefore, quite a risky approach. The reason it is even being considered is that there remains the assumption that added CO2 is the dominate climate forcing that can “disrupt” the climate system from its current equilibrium.

Such a static view of the climate is not supported by observations (e.g. see) yet this simplistic view persists as illustrated by the 2007 IPCC, and, more specifically by the BBC news article. In the article it is written [highlight added]

“In an era when many climate scientists are frustrated by slow progress in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, cloud whitening has sometimes been held up as an example of a technology that could make a real difference, at least to “buy time”.

The technique’s prospects depend crucially on how droplet size affects reflectivity It has been calculated that a fairly modest increase in the reflectivity of these marine clouds could balance the warming from a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere – although even proponents admit it would do nothing to combat the other major consequence of carbon emissions, ocean acidification.”

One of the interviewees for the news article does realize this is a complex issue. As Richard Black writes

“…Piers Forster from the UK’s University of Leeds, who is leading a major UK project on geoengineering techniques, suggested more research would be needed before cloud whitening could be considered for “prime time” use.

“The trouble is that clouds are very complicated; as soon as you start manipulating them in one way, there are a lot of different interactions,” he said.”

The statement that “a fairly modest increase in the reflectivity of these marine clouds could balance the warming from a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere”  illustrates the failure of many to understand the real behavior of the climate system. Even with respect to just the radiative forcing effect of aerosols, in addition to any global average forcing,  it is spatial heterogeneity that matters much more than a global average in terms of how weather and ocean patterns could be modified.

As we have shown with respect to inadvertant inputs of aerosols into the atmsophere by human activities; i.e. see

Matsui, T., and R.A. Pielke Sr., 2006: Measurement-based estimation of the spatial gradient of aerosol radiative forcing. Geophys. Res. Letts., 33, L11813, doi:10.1029/2006GL025974.

in regards to their effect on atmospheric circulations in the tropical and subtropical latitudes, in our study, their influence is ~60 times that of the radiative effect of CO2.  The deliberate insertion of aerosols for geoengineering would similarly have a large effect on circulation patterns. There is no way to balance the effect of CO2 and of aerosols with the approach discussed in this paper. Adding aerosols as part of geoengineering is not a “climate fix” but a recipe for climate disruption.

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rbateman
April 16, 2011 9:44 am

There is nothing to be gained from throwing dirt in an engine, and nothing to be gained from geoengineering. The consequences of both are identical.
The Earth does not need any help performing its planetary duties.
The proposers of geoengineering are not qualifed to play God.

Hoser
April 16, 2011 10:47 am

I suspect we can’t afford to raise a significant amount of seawater mass. “Brilliant” ideas don’t necessarily scale well. Hurricanes must loft a lot of sea spray. What effect does that have? Zippo. Greens can’t do anything effective – other than wreck the world economy.

April 16, 2011 11:07 am

How much carbon is put into the atmosphere by designing, fabricating, operating, maintaining and decommissioning these sprayers versus what is the lifetime radiative cooling that is produced?
If you don’t know the answer, then move on to the next mental masterbation.

Bruce
April 16, 2011 12:20 pm

onion2: “but not apparently if that messing involves elevating CO2 levels to millions of year highs. No that’s just fine.”
In 1998 in Java there was a peat fire that released almost as much CO2 as the yearly output of human beings. Similar fires used to sweep North America. We put them out now before they get going. Thats a positive form of geoengineering.
We have burned down and cleared vast quantities of land so we can feed ourselves.
Maybe we should stop that kind of geoengineering?
Simplistic thinking about CO2 is dangerous, since almost all the climate models are a joke. Recent evidence — cooling — proves CO2 produced by man is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Douglas
April 16, 2011 2:18 pm

Mike says:
April 16, 2011 at 7:31 am
Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is geo-engineering.
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Mike – More desperate stuff from you. With a statement like this my guess is that you won’t be happy until we return to the pre fire age. – get real Mike.
Douglas

April 17, 2011 2:47 pm

Willis Eschenbach’s comment on April 15, 2011 at 10:41 am prompted me to re-read his “Every Silver Lining Has a Cloud“. You may all benefit from reading that one. Have a look at a few numbers with him and, well – a good laugh is good for you!

April 18, 2011 6:12 am

This puts me in mind of a movie I saw when I was much younger: “Crack in the World” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059065/)
In the movie, a subsurface nuclear explosion opens a massive crack in the earth’s crust that threatens to literally split the earth in two. Faced with the certain destruction of the planet, scientists finally figure out a way to stop the crack – by setting off a nuclear explosion in its path!
In the movie, of course, this crazy idea works. I think these “climate scientists” must have watched the movie but believed it was a documentary rather than fiction…