Solar warming and ocean equilibrium, Part 3: Solanki and Schuessler respond

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Solar physicist Sami Solanki and his colleagues at Germany’s Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research helped pioneer the use of cosmogenic isotopes from ice cores to create a proxy record for solar activity going back hundreds and thousands of years. Together with a group led by Ilya Usoskin at University of Oulu in Finland, Solanki describes “grand maximum” levels of solar activity from 1920 to 2000, with the sun being especially active since the 1940’s.

Comparing this solar record to temperature, these scientists find a strong correlation between solar activity and temperature persisting until quite recently. For example, over the period of the instrumental temperature record, a 2004 paper by Solanki and Krivova finds that the correlation is quite close, “however”:

However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming.

But does this conclusion follow? Their own evidence says that until 1980 the dominant driver of climate was solar activity (and their longer-term temperature-proxy comparisons say the same thing). So how can they assert that two decades of the highest solar activity on record can’t be the cause of concurrent warming?

I suggested to Solanki and his colleagues that they must be implicitly assuming that by 1980 ocean temperatures had already equilibrated to whatever forcing effect the high level of solar activity was having. Otherwise warming would continue until equilibrium had been reached. Yet equilibration is never mentioned in any of their analyses.

Many thanks to Sami Solani and Manfred Schuessler for their important reply, finally making the implicit explicit. Here is the main part of their answer:

Dear Mr. Rawls,

You have raised an interesting question. Correlations between solar activity indices and climate assume that there is a constant lag between solar and climate variability (this is implicit in the nature of correlations). In some cases authors even implicitely or explicitely assume that this lag is zero, i.e. that the relationship is instantaneous. If we consider the period of time up to ca. 1970, then this lag lies roughly between 0 and 12 years (e.g., Solanki and Krivova 2003). Newer reconstructions, such as that of Krivova et al. (2007) tend to favour the lower lag. If we consider the period since 1970 alone, then the solar irradiance hasn’t shown an increasing trend, but rather a decreasing one, in contrast to global temperature, which has increased substantially. If this increase is due to the hypothetical influence of the oceans, as you suggest, then of course these short lag times would not be realistic. This, however, would mean that the relatively good correlation between solar and climate variability prior to 1970 would also have to be discarded as due to chance and would cease to be of relevance. Lags cannot be changed at will, certainly not without a good physical reason, i.e. one based on computations, that at least approximately model the Earth system’s behaviour.

To clarify, I did not quite suggest that post-1970 warming might be due to the influence of the oceans. I suggested that it could be due to the sun. The hypothesis isn’t that the oceans were giving up stored heat content but that they were continuing to absorb solar-driven heat. (Under the GCR-cloud theory, high solar wind blows the clouds away, increasing the amount of solar shortwave that pours into the oceans.)

Since Solanki and Schuessler see this slow-ocean-equilibration story as incompatible with short correlation lags, they are clearly identifying short lags with rapid equilibration. The question is whether this identification makes sense. If the equilibration process is not rapid, does it really mean that the short correlation lag between solar activity and temperature that these folks discovered must be mere chance? A simple counter-example shows the answer to be no.

Day vs. season

If you map the diurnal correlation between the strength of the sun’s rays on your back porch and temperature in the shade, you will find that the maximum correlation occurs with only a few hours lag. At noon, sun strength is no longer increasing, while the rate of temperature increase is near its maximum, with temperatures continuing to rise until sometime mid-afternoon.

So you find this very strong and rapid correlation between sunlight and backyard temperature. You’ve been plotting it for a few months, and now it’s June. There is no significant change day by day in the strength of the sun’s rays, or their duration, yet somehow peak backyard temperatures keep going up. The end of June is hotter than the beginning of June. Do you say that this can’t be explained by the sun because solar forcing has not been rising and you know that the temperature response to the sun is only a few hours?

This is exactly what Solanki et al. are doing. Instead of day vs. season they are finding temperature signals within the solar cycle and from one solar cycle to the next and assuming that these same response times apply to longer term changes in solar activity. But climate systems don’t just respond on one time scale.

This is what came out of the previous post, where Mike Lockwood cited the rapid response time that was estimated by Stephen Schwartz on the assumption that the planet can be represented by the simplest possible energy balance model with only one heat sink. Make the model one step more realistic by giving it two heat sinks, so that the sun and the atmosphere do not warm the entire ocean at once, but warm an upper layer which in turn, over time, transfers heat to a deeper ocean layer, and everything changes. Time to equilibrium from a step-up in forcing could be centuries, but as Daniel Kirk-Davidoff’s analysis of the two heat-sink model shows, a correlation study that does not span several times the period of any long term fluctuation in forcing will only pick up the relatively rapid response time of the upper ocean layer, revealing next to nothing about time-to-equilibrium for the full climate system.

The one thing we can say from the observed rapid temperature response to short term fluctuations in solar activity is that solar activity clearly does drive temperature. Add that the sun does not warm the ocean all at once—that the deeper ocean is warmed over time by the upper ocean as the two heat-sink model describes—and we can expect that the demonstrated warming effect of solar activity will cause long-period deeper ocean warming when there is a longer period rise in solar activity.

That is, the short time-lag correlation actually implies that longer period responses should also be taking place, once the most obvious steps to model realism are incorporated. Thus no, the finding of a short correlation lag does not contradict a solar explanation for late 20th century warming but supports it, just as the suns’ warming of the day supports a solar explanation for seasonal change.

This is why it is so important that widespread but unstated assumptions of rapid equilibration be made explicit. The assumption does not stand up to scrutiny, yet it has been allowed to escape scrutiny even as it does the heavy lifting in many scientists’ dismissal of a solar explanation for late 20th century warming. So again, many thanks to Doctors Solanki and Schuessler for making this assumption explicit.

GCM equilibration time

Here is the rest of the Solanki-Schuessler response:

You can rightly argue that a simple linear analysis, such as that carried out by Solanki and Krivova 2003, does not fully reflect the complex behaviour of the Earth system. Indeed, such an analysis does not replace introducing the solar irradiance record into a GCM (General Circulation Model), which includes the coupling between the oceans and the atmosphere, and computing the influence of the Sun’s behaviour. Such studies have not, to our knowledge, reached conclusions that differ significantly from those reached by the simple correlation analysis. If anything, they tend to indicate that the influence of the Sun is even smaller than the correlation studies suggest. The attached review paper gives a good and up-to-date overview of the state of research on Sun-climate relations. Figs. 27 and 28 (pp. 36 and 37) of this paper show that GCM models support the assumption of a short time lag, i.e., quasi-instantaneous reaction of the global temperatures on changes in forcing (as is well known to be the case for major volcanic eruptions, for instance). We think that this is due to the fact that only the mixed layer of the oceans is involved in climate variations due to short-term (decadal to centennial) variations of the forcing, so that the global equilibrium time of the oceans is irrelevant – but you may want to contact a climatologist if you wish to obtain more detailed information.

We hope to have been of help.

Sincerely yours,

Sami Solanki and Manfred Schuessler

What I have been able to glean about equilibration time in the IPCC GCMs is rather different from what Solanki and Schuessler assert. This came up in Part 2, where Schwartz’ short estimated time constant implied a low climate sensitivity, prompting a vigorous response from Gavin Schmidt and other “consensus” GCM compilers. Foster, Schmidt et al. said that in contrast to Schwartz’ 4-6 year time constant, the AR4 model “takes a number of decades to equilibrate after a change in external forcing.”

In a later RealClimate post, Schmidt suggests that:

Oceans have such a large heat capacity that it takes decades to hundreds of years for them to equilibrate to a new forcing.

The review paper that Solanki and Schuessler cite is Solar Influences on Climate, by Gray et al. 2010. S&S cite Gray’s Figures 27 and 28 as support for quasi-instantaneous temperature adjustment in response to a change in forcing, but it is hard to see the connection. The figures are from AR4 and just show the amount of recent warming that is attributed to CO2 in the AR4 models. That would be all of it, post 1955:

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Figure 27 [Gray]. Global mean temperature anomalies, as observed (black line) and as modelled by thirteen climate models when the simulations include (a) both anthropogenic and natural forcings and (b) natural forcings only. The multi-model ensemble mean is shown in grey, and individual simulations are shown in colour, with curves of the same colour indicating different ensemble members for the same model.

Are S&S interpreting Figure 27a as showing a fit between forcings and temperature (in which case the close fit to observed temperatures would indeed indicate a rapid response to forcing)? But this isn’t what the graph shows at all. It compares observed temperatures to the temperatures that the AR4 model predicts in response to 20th century forcings. Equilibration speed (or lapse time) is one of the variables that modelers tweak to achieve a fit between predicted and actual temperatures.

It is not surprising that modelers manage to achieve a reasonably close fit over their calibration period (the 20th century). Every detail of their very complex model is tailored to achieve this. They presumably could achieve this level of fit in many ways. The fact that they do achieve it doesn’t say anything about how they achieve it. The equilibration speed could be anything.

Of course we do know a few fun facts about how the AR4 models are fit to the data. In particular, we know that the IPCC engages in blatant question begging by including only one solar variable in its AR4 models: Total Solar Irradiance, which is parameterized by the IPCC as having 1/14 the warming effect of CO2 (0.12 vs 1.66 W/m2).

Gray’s Figure 27 makes the impact of this assumption graphic. When total solar effects are fixed on the input side of the model to have 1/14th the warming power of CO2, the model output “shows” CO2 to be the dominant climate driver. It’s called “garbage in, garbage out.”

Data vs. assumption

The question is why Solanki and Schuessler are satisfied with the IPCC’s TSI-only characterization of solar effects when their own data screams out so strongly against it. They look at how little solar effect on climate is built into the AR4 model and say:

If anything [these models] tend to indicate that the influence of the Sun is even smaller than the correlation studies suggest.

The discrepancy between their correlation studies and the AR4 model can be seen in the glaring difference between 1955-1980 in Figure 27 above and in Figure 2b from Solanki and Krivova:

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The black line is instrumental temperature. Dotted lines are inverted GCR (reconstructed, and as measured in Climax Colorado since 1953). Close correlation between solar activity and temperature continues to 1980.

Henrik Svensmark finds a still longer correlation. After controlling for PDO, he finds that the short term correlation between solar activity and temperature continues to the present day:

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FIG. 2 [Svensmark]: … The upper panel shows observations of temperatures (blue) and cosmic rays (red). The lower panel shows the match achieved by removing El Nino, the North Atlantic Oscillation, volcanic aerosols, and also a linear trend (0.14 ± 0.4 K/Decade).

There is no way that the high degree of short term correlation between solar activity and temperature observed by Solanki and Schuessler pre-1980 can be explained by the tiny variations in Total Solar Insolation (about a tenth of a percent over the solar cycle). Yet when they see how the IPCC’s TSI-only model under-predicts their own observations, they don’t question the IPCC’s fixing of total solar effects at 1/14th the strength of CO2, but count this garbage-in model as evidence against their own data. That’s not right guys. Data is supposed to trump theory/assumption. That’s the definition of the scientific method.

Solanki, Schuessler and their colleagues have done some of the most important climate research of the last decade, creating several of the paleo-reconstructions of solar activity that make extended solar-climate studies possible. Unfortunately, they are misinterpreting the correlation between solar activity and temperature. Short correlation lags do not imply rapid equilibration. They just reflect the rapid temperature response of the upper ocean layer, leaving the equilibration speed of deeper ocean layers an open question. Thus short correlation lags provide no grounds for dismissing a solar explanation for late 20th century warming. Scientists who have been presuming otherwise should be willing to reconsider.

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April 8, 2011 10:14 pm

ferd berple I like your graphics and it suggests similar experimental results explaining the difficulty of correlating solar input with global temperatures.
If I put a pot of water on the stove and at point zero I turn on the burner, when the water boils I turn it off so the graph of heat input looks like this |¯|_
Concurrently the temperature change of the water take this shape / \
A simple statistical correlation would clearly prove there is no relationship of heat input and changes in water temperatures so we can conclude the stove had no effect.
Bob Tisdale
I am not sure what point you are trying to make or what question you are trying to respond to

April 9, 2011 12:12 am

Jim Steele says:
April 8, 2011 at 10:14 pm
ferd berple I like your graphics and it suggests similar experimental results explaining the difficulty of correlating solar input with global temperatures.
To illustrate how absurd these ideas are consider this little graph showing 5 idealized solar cycles of different size forming a longer cycle much like the real thing. You claim that the size of the cycle [‘the amount of solar activity’] determines the rate of change of temperature, so I have assigned change of +0.3, +0.6, +1.2, +0.6, +0.3 degrees to each of the cycles being proportional to the size of the cycle. Since cycle 1 and cycle 5 have the same size, the rate of change is the same +0.3 degrees. The same proportion for cycles 2 and 4: +0.6 degrees, and +1.2 degrees for cycle 3. All these changes according to your argument is positive, so the temperature is always rising, never falling.
Leif please. I have argued all along that the sun is the driver but oceans hold a memory of that input and determines where and how the heat is redistributed.
The difference between us is that in my view the oceans alone determines where and how that heat in redistributed even for a constant sun. You want to diminish the role of the oceans, at your peril.

April 9, 2011 12:13 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
April 9, 2011 at 12:12 am
To illustrate how absurd these ideas are consider this little graph showing 5″
http://www.leif.org/research/absurd.png

ferd berple
April 9, 2011 7:36 am

Here is the math. Look at the units of the items you are trying to correlate, and place them all at the same scale:
Solar Variance = Watts / square-meter * Irradiated Area
= n1 * Watts
= n2 * foot-pounds /second
Rate of Change of temperature = Degrees / century
= n3 * Degrees / second
Average Temperature = Degrees.
The problem is that when you compare solar variance to temperature, you are comparing work/time to degrees. However, degrees says nothing about time, so the correlation will be at best weak and hard to find if there is noise.
However, when you compare solar variance to temperature change, you are comparing work/time to degrees/time. Both items are in terms of time, so if there is a correlation you have a much better chance of finding it.

April 9, 2011 8:08 am

ferd berple says:
April 9, 2011 at 7:36 am
Here is the math.
Then do the math with real data and show us the result…

April 9, 2011 8:30 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
The difference between us is that in my view the oceans alone determines where and how that heat in redistributed even for a constant sun. You want to diminish the role of the oceans, at your peril.
Wow. How to twist it without addressing any specifics and now you make yourself the defender of the ocean’s role. You certainly have a creative gift. My whole argument has been from the very start that oceans modulate the patterns of heat distribution. Milankovitch cycles suggest we are in a cooling trend as do GISP2 reconstructed temperatures over the past 10,000 years. However that descent is punctuated with warming pulses. During the Little Ice Age numerous tree ring analyses and analyses of Alaskan glaciers and others show a strong correlation with sunspot minimums and ocean oscillations such as the Arctic Oscillation and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. What I have maintained all along is a top down model that combines effects of the solar change proxied by susnpots with changes in PDO as a proxy for ocean/atmospheric dynamics and that model generates the exact warming trend we see today. The trend is superimposed on the Milankovitch cooling trends that would best explain the observations of the cooling trends, that have been measured and published,over both the south and north poles. That top down model also suggests we are about to see some cooling.
What appears ridiculous to you, is your own continued misinterpretation of everything I have written.

April 9, 2011 8:53 am

Leif to illustrate my point:
You last wrote: All these changes according to your argument is positive, so the temperature is always rising, never falling.
How was that ever my arguments?
The concluding paragraph of my first post:
If we used a top down model that simply adds sunspots to a scaled PDO index, with a 20 year running average, that model generates a temperature curve that matches observed temperatures. This works because the PDO is a generalized proxy that incorporates changes in El Nino and wind patterns over the Arctic as well as teleconnections to the Atlantic. The diurnal and seasonal distribution of heat modified by ocean and wind circulation changes has created observed instrumental warming despite a general decrease in heat input from the sun. Such a top down model also suggests that with decreased solar and PDO going negative, that the next 20 years will be much colder.
Leif, How do you justify such a blatant disconnect between your attribution of what I said and I really said?

April 9, 2011 9:06 am

Jim Steele says:
April 9, 2011 at 8:30 am
now you make yourself the defender of the ocean’s role.
Always said that.
My whole argument has been from the very start that oceans modulate the patterns of heat distribution.
No, that was not the WHOLE argument, but only a part of it. The rest was something about the Sun.
without addressing any specifics
I have very specific, even given you a graph to ponder and to respond to [which you neglected]: http://www.leif.org/research/absurd.png

April 9, 2011 9:50 am

Jim Steele says:
April 9, 2011 at 8:53 am
You last wrote: All these changes according to your argument is positive, so the temperature is always rising, never falling.
How was that ever my arguments?

Jim Steele says:
April 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm
“I think that Ferd and Jim have put forward good arguments most of which you have chosen to ignore.”
Perhaps I was wrong in believing that you were a supporter of those ‘good arguments’ and that you really are not. If that be the case, accept my apologies.

ferd berple
April 9, 2011 10:49 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
April 9, 2011 at 8:08 am
Then do the math with real data and show us the result…
Let:
Solar Variance = SV
Average Temperature = AT
Rate of Temperature Change = RT
a, b, c, d, e, … = constants
Then
(1) RT = a(SV) + b
(2) RT = derivative (AT)
(3) RT = derivative (SQRT(AT)^2)
(4) RT = 2 SQRT(AT)
by substitution
(5) SV = 2a(SQRT(AT)) + b
Best practices say when looking for correlations, you use (1) the linear relationship. You can (5), but then you need to use non-linear methods, which are a weak area in mathematics, so it is not best practice.
From what I’ve read, Climate Science has used neither. Climate science has assumed that:
(6) SV = a(AT) + b
After having found this does not correlate, CS has pronounced that Solar Variability is not a driver of Climate. What they have not considered is that their assumptions are wrong.
(7) SV != a(AT) + b
(5) SV = 2a(SQRT(AT)) + b

ferd berple
April 9, 2011 10:50 am

correction to above
(1) SV = a(RT) + b

ferd berple
April 9, 2011 10:59 am

Lets look further at this
(5) SV = 2a(SQRT(AT)) + b
Therefore
AT = c(SV^2) + d
What this tells me is that average temperature should vary as the square power of the solar variability. By assuming that average temperature should vary linearly with solar variability, climate science has significantly under estimated the effects of solar variability.

April 9, 2011 11:32 am

ferd berple says:
April 9, 2011 at 7:36 am
Solar Variance = Watts / square-meter * Irradiated Area
Since the area [the Earth] is the same [assuming constant albedo] your SV is just TSI.
ferd berple says:
April 9, 2011 at 10:59 am
Therefore
AT = c(SV^2) + d
What this tells me is that average temperature should vary as the square power of the solar variability. By assuming that average temperature should vary linearly with solar variability, climate science has significantly under estimated the effects of solar variability.

Your math is a bit fuzzy.
Climate science assume that AT = k TSI^(1/4), not the linear relationship you ascribe to them. New both for your formula and the correct one, when changes are small [which they are] they become linear:
Yours: dAT/T = c*2 dTSI/TSI, or for dAT,dTSI small : dAT ~ dTSI*2
correct: dAT/AT = k/4 dTSI/TSI, or for dAT, dTSI small: dAT ~ dTSI/4

Baa Humbug
April 9, 2011 12:11 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
April 7, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Roy Clark says:
April 7, 2011 at 12:35 pm
The devil is in the details.
And the details say that during the latter half of the 1700s, solar activity was comparable to that of the later part of the 1900s, yet temperatures were very different.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I take a pot of water out of the fridge, it’s about 4DegC. I put it on a stove element and turn it up to max.
At the same time, I take a pot of similar size with room temperature water in it, say 18DegC. I put that on another element and turn it up to max.
After 5 mins of heating I observe that the two pots are of different temperature. How could that be? Both the stove elements were at grand maximum.
Initial conditions would be important, isn’t that so Leif?

April 9, 2011 12:15 pm

Baa Humbug says:
April 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Initial conditions would be important, isn’t that so Leif?
Not really if the initial conditions are the result of the very process itself. Perhaps you would like to try to comment on http://www.leif.org/research/absurd.png. You may assume that the Figure is repeatedly endlessly on both sides.

April 9, 2011 1:12 pm

It is pointless arguing the ‘solar effect’ unless you can show it correlates to the real temperature. CET the longest and most accurate temperature record has no significant 11 or 22 year component. Further more I would advise a good look at period 1700-1710 and compare to the solar sunspot record at the time.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET1.htm
Neither direct irradiance increase or the oceans stored energy (from previous 50 years, Maunder Minimum!) was available to provide sudden uplift of temperatures, only equalled to that at 1985-1995. Temperatures may be different but the rate of change is similar, the fist still under Maunder minimum conditions and the last under so called ‘modern grand maximum’.
It is fine to have a hypothesis or even better a theory , but it has to match reality.

Baa Humbug
April 9, 2011 1:30 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
April 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm

Perhaps you would like to try to comment on http://www.leif.org/research/absurd.png. You may assume that the Figure is repeatedly endlessly on both sides.

I don’t see how the graph in your link is relevant to global climate. However I do see you giving me the middle finger. Having re-read my post I realise I should have worded it differently. No offence meant.
Your post at 12:52PM said “yet temperatures were very different.”
Why shouldn’t they be different? An active sun immediately after the end of an ice age may not manifest the same global Ts as an active sun during an already warmer interglacial.
I personally would not assume “initial conditions are the result of the very same processs.”
regards

April 9, 2011 1:49 pm

Baa Humbug says:
April 9, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I don’t see how the graph in your link is relevant to global climate.
It is not, and that is the point [note the name of the link]. However, some posters here claim that it is relevant, that solar activity [they call it ‘solar variance’] determines only the rate of temperature change.
Why shouldn’t they be different? An active sun immediately after the end of an ice age may not manifest the same global Ts as an active sun during an already warmer interglacial.
The ‘ice age’ ended some 12 ,000 years ago. We are not discussing that.

lgl
April 9, 2011 2:02 pm

Leif
I think it’s more like this: http://virakkraft.com/absurd2.xlsx The +1.2 is above average so some of the input is stored below the mixed layer and perhaps only 2/3 is released when the input is back to zero. +0.3 is below average, so there is a net loss over the cycle, perhaps 0.5 is released. The result is that SV = a(RT) + b so ferd berple is right.

April 9, 2011 2:23 pm

lgl says:
April 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I think it’s more like this: http://virakkraft.com/absurd2.xlsx The +1.2 is above average so some of the input is stored below the mixed layer and perhaps only 2/3 is released when the input is back to zero. +0.3 is below average, so there is a net loss over the cycle, perhaps 0.5 is released. The result is that SV = a(RT) + b so ferd berple is right.
You are so vague that it is hard to figure out what you are saying. If a and b are constants then there is no effect from pre-existing conditions. If a and b are allowed to vary according to circumstances [to make it fit], it is not science. We can rewrite the equation: SV – b = a(RT), meaning that for RT = 0, SV = b, so as SV varies up and down oscillating above and below b, so should the sign of RT alternate between positive and negative, and when SV is below b, T will lose what it gained when SV was above T. hence T will go up and down following SV. If the Sun is the major driver, equal SVs will then correspond to equal T. “The climate is what it should be for solar activity”.

lgl
April 9, 2011 2:43 pm

Leif
No, T will go up and down following SV with 1/4 period lag.

April 9, 2011 2:56 pm

lgl says:
April 9, 2011 at 2:43 pm
No, T will go up and down following SV with 1/4 period lag.
Even if you want a lag, it does not change anything, namely that similar solar activity results in similar T [if any]. The two curves will then just be shifted a 1/4 period. This is not what has been pushed here and not what the record shows.

lgl
April 9, 2011 3:39 pm

Leif
(1) SV = a(RT) + b has been pushed here, leading to AT = c(SV^2) + d and according to you dAT ~ dTSI*2 What’s wrong with his calculation?

sky
April 9, 2011 4:36 pm

Dave Springer says:
April 7, 2011 at 10:51 am
“You can’t talk about thermodynamics without using the word equilibrium. Don’t be silly.”
There’s a whole journal devoted to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, in which complex problems most germane to real-world situations are solved. Only those with but a rudimentary comprehension of thermodynamics make the silly assumption that equilbrium conditions characterize the ever-changing state of Earth’s climate system. If we had more than just local therrmodynamic equilibrium, we’d have a system with NO temperature changes.
More realistically, we have a system that responds differently to various frequencies of forcing. The characteristic frequency response function is a continuum that cannot be reduced to just one or two or N lags. Nothing misleads the analysis more than simplistic models that assume otherwise and confuse true forcing (i.e., not TSI, but insolation) with changes in heat capacitance or content . Sadly, that’s commonplace in “climate science,” which scarcely realizes that the “equilibration lag” deep-ocean temperatures is irrelevant to surface climate.

April 9, 2011 6:54 pm

lgl says:
April 9, 2011 at 3:39 pm
(1) SV = a(RT) + b has been pushed here, leading to AT = c(SV^2) + d and according to you dAT ~ dTSI*2 What’s wrong with his calculation?
Several things, the most glaring being:
(2) RT = derivative (AT)
(3) RT = derivative (SQRT(AT)^2)
The square of the SQRT(AT) is always positive. Hence RT is always positive.