From Steve McIntyre: Left- Briffa reconstruction from Oct 5, 1999 Climategate email. Matches Briffa et al 2001 Plate 3 version up to 1960. Post-1960 values deleted in 2001 version shown in red; right – emulation of IPCC AR3 figure without trick. Briffa shown here in purple for emphasis.
Dr. Richard Muller calls out the “hide the decline” aka “Mike’s Nature Trick” on this YouTube video of a presentation he gave.
For some strong background, see Steve McIntyre’s Heartland 2010 presentation here (PDF)
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gary thompson
March 18, 2011 10:11 pm
this ‘trick’ along with vostok ice core data, no reduction in outgoing longwave radiation and the flat temps for the last 10 years are the nail in the coffin for agw.
gary thompson
March 18, 2011 10:16 pm
the link to the heartland 2010 presentation has an issue. REPLY: Fixed, thanks, Anthony
John Tofflemire
March 18, 2011 10:22 pm
Muller gently rips to shreds the scientific integrity of the people involved in this episode. These people are guilty of scientific misconduct. Period.
TBear
March 18, 2011 10:28 pm
So …
Just to be clear about this.
Is the underlying point, by Briffa, that there has been a marginal temperature increase over the 20th Century, but the 20th Century up-trend is not off the charts, by comparison with previous centuries and, so, may well just be natural variability? As opposed to an increase that looks, when plotted, freaking scary and, hence, may be caused by the cardon dioxide monster?
Can someone tell me if I have correctly interpreted what Briffa is saying?
And, if that is so, wtf is happening?
I mean, I am not a scientist.
But what I would dearly love to know, if this whole AGW-scare is based on bullshit, where the hell is the rest of the scientifc community?
Specifically, why, if Briffa is right, are not scientists of all description shouting the AGW-Worriers down? Does the scientific community, at large, not give a rat’s arse, for the reputation of science, generally? Very confused, here.
Oh, and don’t bother replying with conspiracy theories, or `weight of institutional pressure’ arguments; these are, for non-AGW paradigm scientists, lame excuses. If it is true that non-AGW scientists are incapable of acting as free-agents, irrespective of political winds, frankly, I would rather not know.
And if the established professional institutes of science are so compromised that they are incapable of speaking out, where are the new groups of concerned (for the reputation of scisnce) forming? And if no such replacement institutes are not presently forming, wtf not?
Much of the responsibility for correcting the AGW-overreach must rests with the scientific community. When are we going to see some concerted push-back from that community?
“We now have a list of people whose papers I’m not going to read anymore.”
Is this enough? Should the existing papers be withdrawn?
Excellent video BTW. How many times does it have to be explained? A lot, apparently.
chip
March 18, 2011 10:34 pm
ouch – that’s gonna leave a mark
Bob Diaz
March 18, 2011 10:37 pm
I find it sad that “science” could take such a wrong turn and committ such fraud. Unless all science is open to full review, this level of fraud will happen again.
The raw data, all steps, the processed data, and everything else must be open to friend and foe, if we expect to avoid massive fraud.
“trust, but verify.”, Ronald Regan
Wucash
March 18, 2011 10:44 pm
You are allowed if you’re a climatechangeologist!
P.G. Sharrow
March 18, 2011 10:45 pm
The new science groups are out here on the “Net that covers the world”. Peer review and all. Time for real scientists to poke their heads out of the “Ivory Towers” and work together in the light of day. No one cares about work that is hidden. As long as it is hidden it does not exist! No “gang” can prevent publishing on the web. Just do it. pg
A couple corrections.
The FOIA did not request the “decline data” The FOIA requests to CRU covered.
1, CRU stations and data ( willis)
2. Jones temperature data for his 1990 paper
3. Correspondence WRT AR4
McIntyre had a request into a journal for Yamal data.
The divergence data, however, was removed from archives and only became accessible to the general public because of the mail liberator. The data was attached to one of the mails.
Andrew30
March 18, 2011 10:47 pm
David Stockwell says: March 18, 2011 at 10:31 pm
“Is this enough? Should the existing papers be withdrawn? ”
No. Yes, and then they should be burried.
They are all infected. http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
Brian H
March 18, 2011 10:52 pm
TBear;
What’s with the “Briffa” stuff? The presenter is Muller. Briffa is one of the people whose papers he will no longer read.
TBear, youv;e got it wrong.
“Just to be clear about this.
Is the underlying point, by Briffa, that there has been a marginal temperature increase over the 20th Century, but the 20th Century up-trend is not off the charts, by comparison with previous centuries and, so, may well just be natural variability? As opposed to an increase that looks, when plotted, freaking scary and, hence, may be caused by the cardon dioxide monster”
The data that was erased was tree ring data. Theory says that tree rings respond somewhat linearly to temperature. So, they measure rings. Then they calibrate the rings against temperature in the instrument period. Then the “reconstruct” past temps from tree rings. From 1960 on for one region of the world Briffa found that after 1960 tree rings went in the Opposite direction from the temps in that region.
That left these choices.
1. the temp data was wrong
2. tree rings dont track temperature
3. Something happened to these trees, they diverge.
From our book.. sorry if the formating is effed up
“To get a sense of how Briffa treated the problem in the original source material, it’s instructive to review his early papers, those cited by Jones, papers all too familiar to the readers of CA. In 2006 McIntyre drew attention to Briffa’s discussion of the divergence problem and posted the following graphics from Briffa’s paper in 1998, 2000 and 2004. … tree ring width and maximum latewood density are shown to
diverge from the recorded temperature. …
So, part of Jones’ defense is correct. CRU, specifically, Briffa had displayed this divergence clearly in prior publications. And the underlying literature does discuss the problem in detail.
Briffa, 1998 writes:
During the second half of the twentieth century, the decadal-scale trends in wood
density and summer temperatures have increasingly diverged as wood density has
progressively fallen. The cause of this increasing insensitivity of wood density to
temperature changes is not known, but if it is not taken into account in
dendroclimatic reconstructions, past temperatures could be overestimated… In the areas where the growth data extend through to the warm late 1980s and early 1990s
(NEUR, WSIB, CSIB, ESIB), the divergence is at a maximum in the most recent
years. Over the hemisphere, the divergence between tree growth and mean summer
temperatures began perhaps as early as the 1930s; became clearly recognisable,
particularly in the north, after 1960; and has continued to increase up until the end
of the common record at around 1990.
It’s important to understand everything at play in Briffa’s argument because it will help illustrate why Jones’ graphic misleads readers. As Briffa and others had found, during the second half of the 20th century some tree measures had started to diverge from the temperature record. The underlying science holds that some trees are temperature sensitive. That is, their growth
properties follow temperature, amongst other things. By studying these measures over time the scientists can reconstruct past temperatures. Very simplistically, higher temperatures correlate with thick ring width for example. Temperature goes up, tree rings get wider. (We say simplistically because the width of tree rings is influenced by a lot of factors and it is not, well,
simple.) By looking at tree rings during the instrumented period and the widths seen in that period it is hoped that past temperatures can be reconstructed. The problem Briffa and others found was a divergence from this pattern. The tree ring series and the ring width series marched hand in hand from 1850 to the mid 20th century but then in some species and some locations this pattern changed. There are several ways to handle a problem like this. If tree rings and temperatures diverge, one
can question the accuracy of the temperatures, or question the tree rings, or question tree ring
science itself, or some combination of these. The precedent for questioning the temperature
record is established in the literature. As noted in previous chapters and on CA, Wilson and others
had on occasion compiled their own temperature records, specifically in Canada, when the
official record was at variance with tree rings. Briffa does not even explore this possibility with
these rings. In his mind, Jones’ instrument record is a fact. If the instrument record cannot be
questioned then Briffa is left with fewer choices. He could just use the data as it is. But if he does
this, then as he writes “past temperatures could be overestimated.” That is, if the data is merely
used “as is” then past temperatures will appear higher. It’s vital to note that he would see such an
estimation as an “over estimation.”
But to some the data is just the data. If tree rings or density reflect the temperature, then these
rings would indicate a warmer past than the present. To preserve a cooler past (which politically
he must do to show that current warming is unprecedented), Briffa must “do something” with this
data. He’s left with two choices. He could argue that these tree rings show that the basic science of reconstruction is flawed. The basic science operates on a theory that a tree that is temperature sensitive today will be temperature sensitive in the past. If that’s not true, if trees can sometimes function as “treemometers” and sometimes diverge from that, then the hopes of reconstructing past climate are dashed. Briffa cannot bring himself to even discuss this logical possibility. Briffa is left then with one choice: He cannot question Jones’ temperature record. He cannot use the data as is and create a large MWP, he cannot question the very science he carries out, so he must “adjust” the data. In his case the adjustment is a simple deletion. The data that diverges is simply disappeared. To be sure, that deletion is “discussed” but the discussion consists merely of pointing at possible reasons for the phenomena. In 2006 McIntyre canvasses the theories in the
following post:…..
Theo Goodwin
March 18, 2011 11:00 pm
TBear says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“But what I would dearly love to know, if this whole AGW-scare is based on bullshit, where the hell is the rest of the scientifc community?”
Now we are going to learn. The fact that Muller has entered the debate with guns blazing means that scientists will have to stake out clear positions. The dam has broken. Finally, some politicians will be embarrassed. If Al Gore is capable of embarrassment, he should be deflating at this point. After all, he continues to trumpet the hockey stick that will be remembered as a product of dishonest scientists.
Why it has taken scientists so long to make their criticisms public is not such a mystery. The case of Judith Curry shows that the Climategate community does act as a body and will attack, viciously, anyone who is perceived as being outside the fold.
Magnus A
March 18, 2011 11:01 pm
Dr Judith Curry comments this here: http://bit.ly/fhKca7
About the study “Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature” (BEST) here http://www.berkeleyearth.org
—
I think it’s natural and necessary to involve new persons in e g the IPCC efforts, and next report’s (overall) content. Among lots of things scientists (“non-deniers”) as e g Cornelis de Jager & Silvia Duhau [1], and prof. U R Rao [2] has released studies showing the sun’s role in climate change historically (hundreds of years) is about 40 percent of climate change. IPCC has so far dismisses correlation on cause and effect of the sun. There are lots of other examples, and those in control of the IPCC procedure (Real Climate staff, Mann, Jones etc.), who present the well-known cause and effect diagram with small changes since a decade ago as settled science, involve dogma.
[1] The variable solar dynamo and the forecast of Solar Activity: Influence on Terrestrial Surface Temperature : http://www.cdejager.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2010-Variable-solar-dynamo3.pdf
[2] Contribution of changing galactic cosmic ray flux to global warming. Current Science, vol. 100, no. 2, 25 January 2011 : http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/25jan2011/223.pdf
Charlie Foxtrot
March 18, 2011 11:21 pm
The video should be require viewing for all college freshmen entering a technical field.
To reply to TBear, the best explanation I have heard for the AGW behavior is that it has become religion, not science. It has all the hallmarks of religion. The fact that it is now non-falsifiable (global warming causes cold weather, hot weather, snow, rain, and now even earthquakes, therefore all weather is verification of AGW) is very much like religious beliefs, and makes discussion pointless. The vehemence of the warmists is also similar to that of a religious zealot (how dare you deny God?). Any data you present them is discounted as having been generated by private money from cigarette sales and greedy capitalists, not pure and unbiased government, and therefore it is corrupt, similar to blaming all evil on the devil.
TBear says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm “Much of the responsibility for correcting the AGW-overreach must rests with the scientific community. When are we going to see some concerted push-back from that community?”
=================================================
Many from the general scientific community did and do participate. If I’m not mistaken, Theo is a scientist. And, as far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority are ardent skeptics, albeit, with a different view than some of us. However, the institutions themselves were silent, if not supportive of the alarmism.
Theo Goodwin is correct about Dr. Curry’s experience. (its an interesting story) Theo is also a bit more optimistic than I am about the reaction to Dr. Muller. We’ll see.
Why? Mostly because of money. The reason Penn St. shanked their inquiry of Mann.
Recently, we’ve seen more and more scientists complain about the black eye climatology has given science in general, but this is of their own making. I hold them responsible. They are worse than the charlatans. We’ll always have deceivers with us. It is for us to always be diligent towards such things. The laymen never forgot, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
The science community did.
Graeme
March 18, 2011 11:31 pm
Trees are thermometers – yes they are, yes they are, yes they are….
And my chair is in fact a poodle!
NikFromNYC
March 19, 2011 12:07 am
ceci n’est pas science
kbray in california
March 19, 2011 12:21 am
This FRAUD has influenced and re-directed worldwide industry and governments onto a foolish tangent costing at least BILLIONS of dollars (if not Trillions).
The ongoing negative effects of these charts and subsequent laws are still bubbling through our economies and continue into the future.
The laws need to be revoked and the creators of this fraud need to be incarcerated.
Long live carbon dioxide. Please focus on pollution and air filters instead.
Larry in Texas
March 19, 2011 12:42 am
I remember the first time I saw the clip from Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” that showed the Mann “hockey stick” graph. I remember starting to laugh, because as a lawyer with only modest familiarity with statistics, but great familiarity with tricks with statistics, I knew that any trend such as was shown in that graph was “too good to be true.” If it’s too good to be true, it usually isn’t. If it’s so off the charts that it looks unprecedented, it’s got to be wrong.
Now I know Steve McIntyre doesn’t like to use the word “fraud,” because he is a scientific guy and he is trying to get to the bottom of things, and properly so. But what folks must remember is that a lot of this work was being done in connection with the IPCC Second [?? – I don’t remember if it was second or third] Assessment. There has already been a lot of interchange between some of the more ambitious UN bureaucrats who are trying to make a case for political action with respect to climate change, as this had been going on for the previous ten years or so. I have to believe that in the interests of this closely-knit community, in which they all reinforced their mutual belief system, the stakes were high and no one wanted to appear uncertain about anything. So, they cheated a little bit. Well, a lot, in my opinion. You can claim that everyone’s motives were pure, but ahhh, believe me (I used to work in government, I’m quite familiar with the policy messes and confusion that unelected bureaucrats can make), they weren’t. You can claim the methods to be typical of science, but as Prof. Muller shows, they are not.
MarkoL
March 19, 2011 12:47 am
The scary part is that none of the mounting evidence against AGW, IPCC, Gore, Mann & co. seems to matter one iota. No matter how much we break down the false prophecies, lies, scary scenarios, hockey-sticks, etc. , when players like google get into the political AGW game, it is becoming less and less about something we can influence with hard evidence and more about finding partners that can influence masses. I hope the ever growing number of us that don’t believe in AGW, will someday soon change the mind of these AGW believers (like google and the MSM) into at least considering that the AGW prophets and “scientists” are not 100% right, that they don’t know what is going on and that much of the “science” is in fact fueled by greed for control, power and money and other inexplicable agendas. Vive la résistance!
Tenuc
March 19, 2011 1:58 am
Climate ‘science’ is no more. Instead it has mutated into an abnormal advocacy group to push the green agenda against fossil fuels. As with any belief system, any facts which would falsify its tenets are conveniently erased, or a hasty change is made to explain the anomaly.
Briffa and the rest of the useless bunch of CRU green agenda advocates have been found out and the CAGW meme is crumbling back to the dust from which it came.
Time to bring back the Spanish Inquisition!
Mr Green Genes
March 19, 2011 2:47 am
“Time to bring back the Spanish Inquisition!”
One, two, three: “I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition!”
Roger Knights
March 19, 2011 2:49 am
Steven Mosher says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:45 pm
The divergence data, however, was removed from archives and only became accessible to the general public because of the mail liberator.
For alliteration, how about saying, “the letter liberator”? You call the e-mails “letters” in the subtitle of your book (“The CRUtape Letters”).
I like the subtle “dig” of your using the sixties-leftist’s OK-word for theft against the Team. (It was the word they used when, for instance, they invaded university offices and “liberated” documents therefrom.)
I suggest that henceforth our side relentlessly employ this term in describing the “hack”–it’ll be worth it to annoy the Other Side. E.g., refer to “liberated letters” (or documents, or ‘Lectronic Letters) rather than “hacked e-mails,” to “The Liberator” (be sure to use capitals!) whenever the other side uses “the hacker,” etc.
this ‘trick’ along with vostok ice core data, no reduction in outgoing longwave radiation and the flat temps for the last 10 years are the nail in the coffin for agw.
the link to the heartland 2010 presentation has an issue.
REPLY: Fixed, thanks, Anthony
Muller gently rips to shreds the scientific integrity of the people involved in this episode. These people are guilty of scientific misconduct. Period.
So …
Just to be clear about this.
Is the underlying point, by Briffa, that there has been a marginal temperature increase over the 20th Century, but the 20th Century up-trend is not off the charts, by comparison with previous centuries and, so, may well just be natural variability? As opposed to an increase that looks, when plotted, freaking scary and, hence, may be caused by the cardon dioxide monster?
Can someone tell me if I have correctly interpreted what Briffa is saying?
And, if that is so, wtf is happening?
I mean, I am not a scientist.
But what I would dearly love to know, if this whole AGW-scare is based on bullshit, where the hell is the rest of the scientifc community?
Specifically, why, if Briffa is right, are not scientists of all description shouting the AGW-Worriers down? Does the scientific community, at large, not give a rat’s arse, for the reputation of science, generally? Very confused, here.
Oh, and don’t bother replying with conspiracy theories, or `weight of institutional pressure’ arguments; these are, for non-AGW paradigm scientists, lame excuses. If it is true that non-AGW scientists are incapable of acting as free-agents, irrespective of political winds, frankly, I would rather not know.
And if the established professional institutes of science are so compromised that they are incapable of speaking out, where are the new groups of concerned (for the reputation of scisnce) forming? And if no such replacement institutes are not presently forming, wtf not?
Much of the responsibility for correcting the AGW-overreach must rests with the scientific community. When are we going to see some concerted push-back from that community?
“We now have a list of people whose papers I’m not going to read anymore.”
Is this enough? Should the existing papers be withdrawn?
Excellent video BTW. How many times does it have to be explained? A lot, apparently.
ouch – that’s gonna leave a mark
I find it sad that “science” could take such a wrong turn and committ such fraud. Unless all science is open to full review, this level of fraud will happen again.
The raw data, all steps, the processed data, and everything else must be open to friend and foe, if we expect to avoid massive fraud.
“trust, but verify.”, Ronald Regan
You are allowed if you’re a climatechangeologist!
The new science groups are out here on the “Net that covers the world”. Peer review and all. Time for real scientists to poke their heads out of the “Ivory Towers” and work together in the light of day. No one cares about work that is hidden. As long as it is hidden it does not exist! No “gang” can prevent publishing on the web. Just do it. pg
A couple corrections.
The FOIA did not request the “decline data” The FOIA requests to CRU covered.
1, CRU stations and data ( willis)
2. Jones temperature data for his 1990 paper
3. Correspondence WRT AR4
McIntyre had a request into a journal for Yamal data.
The divergence data, however, was removed from archives and only became accessible to the general public because of the mail liberator. The data was attached to one of the mails.
David Stockwell says: March 18, 2011 at 10:31 pm
“Is this enough? Should the existing papers be withdrawn? ”
No. Yes, and then they should be burried.
They are all infected.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
TBear;
What’s with the “Briffa” stuff? The presenter is Muller. Briffa is one of the people whose papers he will no longer read.
TBear, youv;e got it wrong.
“Just to be clear about this.
Is the underlying point, by Briffa, that there has been a marginal temperature increase over the 20th Century, but the 20th Century up-trend is not off the charts, by comparison with previous centuries and, so, may well just be natural variability? As opposed to an increase that looks, when plotted, freaking scary and, hence, may be caused by the cardon dioxide monster”
The data that was erased was tree ring data. Theory says that tree rings respond somewhat linearly to temperature. So, they measure rings. Then they calibrate the rings against temperature in the instrument period. Then the “reconstruct” past temps from tree rings. From 1960 on for one region of the world Briffa found that after 1960 tree rings went in the Opposite direction from the temps in that region.
That left these choices.
1. the temp data was wrong
2. tree rings dont track temperature
3. Something happened to these trees, they diverge.
From our book.. sorry if the formating is effed up
“To get a sense of how Briffa treated the problem in the original source material, it’s instructive to review his early papers, those cited by Jones, papers all too familiar to the readers of CA. In 2006 McIntyre drew attention to Briffa’s discussion of the divergence problem and posted the following graphics from Briffa’s paper in 1998, 2000 and 2004. … tree ring width and maximum latewood density are shown to
diverge from the recorded temperature. …
So, part of Jones’ defense is correct. CRU, specifically, Briffa had displayed this divergence clearly in prior publications. And the underlying literature does discuss the problem in detail.
Briffa, 1998 writes:
It’s important to understand everything at play in Briffa’s argument because it will help illustrate why Jones’ graphic misleads readers. As Briffa and others had found, during the second half of the 20th century some tree measures had started to diverge from the temperature record. The underlying science holds that some trees are temperature sensitive. That is, their growth
properties follow temperature, amongst other things. By studying these measures over time the scientists can reconstruct past temperatures. Very simplistically, higher temperatures correlate with thick ring width for example. Temperature goes up, tree rings get wider. (We say simplistically because the width of tree rings is influenced by a lot of factors and it is not, well,
simple.) By looking at tree rings during the instrumented period and the widths seen in that period it is hoped that past temperatures can be reconstructed. The problem Briffa and others found was a divergence from this pattern. The tree ring series and the ring width series marched hand in hand from 1850 to the mid 20th century but then in some species and some locations this pattern changed. There are several ways to handle a problem like this. If tree rings and temperatures diverge, one
can question the accuracy of the temperatures, or question the tree rings, or question tree ring
science itself, or some combination of these. The precedent for questioning the temperature
record is established in the literature. As noted in previous chapters and on CA, Wilson and others
had on occasion compiled their own temperature records, specifically in Canada, when the
official record was at variance with tree rings. Briffa does not even explore this possibility with
these rings. In his mind, Jones’ instrument record is a fact. If the instrument record cannot be
questioned then Briffa is left with fewer choices. He could just use the data as it is. But if he does
this, then as he writes “past temperatures could be overestimated.” That is, if the data is merely
used “as is” then past temperatures will appear higher. It’s vital to note that he would see such an
estimation as an “over estimation.”
But to some the data is just the data. If tree rings or density reflect the temperature, then these
rings would indicate a warmer past than the present. To preserve a cooler past (which politically
he must do to show that current warming is unprecedented), Briffa must “do something” with this
data. He’s left with two choices. He could argue that these tree rings show that the basic science of reconstruction is flawed. The basic science operates on a theory that a tree that is temperature sensitive today will be temperature sensitive in the past. If that’s not true, if trees can sometimes function as “treemometers” and sometimes diverge from that, then the hopes of reconstructing past climate are dashed. Briffa cannot bring himself to even discuss this logical possibility. Briffa is left then with one choice: He cannot question Jones’ temperature record. He cannot use the data as is and create a large MWP, he cannot question the very science he carries out, so he must “adjust” the data. In his case the adjustment is a simple deletion. The data that diverges is simply disappeared. To be sure, that deletion is “discussed” but the discussion consists merely of pointing at possible reasons for the phenomena. In 2006 McIntyre canvasses the theories in the
following post:…..
TBear says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“But what I would dearly love to know, if this whole AGW-scare is based on bullshit, where the hell is the rest of the scientifc community?”
Now we are going to learn. The fact that Muller has entered the debate with guns blazing means that scientists will have to stake out clear positions. The dam has broken. Finally, some politicians will be embarrassed. If Al Gore is capable of embarrassment, he should be deflating at this point. After all, he continues to trumpet the hockey stick that will be remembered as a product of dishonest scientists.
Why it has taken scientists so long to make their criticisms public is not such a mystery. The case of Judith Curry shows that the Climategate community does act as a body and will attack, viciously, anyone who is perceived as being outside the fold.
Dr Judith Curry comments this here:
http://bit.ly/fhKca7
About the study “Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature” (BEST) here
http://www.berkeleyearth.org
—
I think it’s natural and necessary to involve new persons in e g the IPCC efforts, and next report’s (overall) content. Among lots of things scientists (“non-deniers”) as e g Cornelis de Jager & Silvia Duhau [1], and prof. U R Rao [2] has released studies showing the sun’s role in climate change historically (hundreds of years) is about 40 percent of climate change. IPCC has so far dismisses correlation on cause and effect of the sun. There are lots of other examples, and those in control of the IPCC procedure (Real Climate staff, Mann, Jones etc.), who present the well-known cause and effect diagram with small changes since a decade ago as settled science, involve dogma.
[1] The variable solar dynamo and the forecast of Solar Activity: Influence on Terrestrial Surface Temperature :
http://www.cdejager.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2010-Variable-solar-dynamo3.pdf
[2] Contribution of changing galactic cosmic ray flux to global warming. Current Science, vol. 100, no. 2, 25 January 2011 :
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/25jan2011/223.pdf
The video should be require viewing for all college freshmen entering a technical field.
To reply to TBear, the best explanation I have heard for the AGW behavior is that it has become religion, not science. It has all the hallmarks of religion. The fact that it is now non-falsifiable (global warming causes cold weather, hot weather, snow, rain, and now even earthquakes, therefore all weather is verification of AGW) is very much like religious beliefs, and makes discussion pointless. The vehemence of the warmists is also similar to that of a religious zealot (how dare you deny God?). Any data you present them is discounted as having been generated by private money from cigarette sales and greedy capitalists, not pure and unbiased government, and therefore it is corrupt, similar to blaming all evil on the devil.
TBear says:
March 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“Much of the responsibility for correcting the AGW-overreach must rests with the scientific community. When are we going to see some concerted push-back from that community?”
=================================================
Many from the general scientific community did and do participate. If I’m not mistaken, Theo is a scientist. And, as far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority are ardent skeptics, albeit, with a different view than some of us. However, the institutions themselves were silent, if not supportive of the alarmism.
Theo Goodwin is correct about Dr. Curry’s experience. (its an interesting story) Theo is also a bit more optimistic than I am about the reaction to Dr. Muller. We’ll see.
Why? Mostly because of money. The reason Penn St. shanked their inquiry of Mann.
Recently, we’ve seen more and more scientists complain about the black eye climatology has given science in general, but this is of their own making. I hold them responsible. They are worse than the charlatans. We’ll always have deceivers with us. It is for us to always be diligent towards such things. The laymen never forgot, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
The science community did.
Trees are thermometers – yes they are, yes they are, yes they are….
And my chair is in fact a poodle!
ceci n’est pas science
This FRAUD has influenced and re-directed worldwide industry and governments onto a foolish tangent costing at least BILLIONS of dollars (if not Trillions).
The ongoing negative effects of these charts and subsequent laws are still bubbling through our economies and continue into the future.
The laws need to be revoked and the creators of this fraud need to be incarcerated.
Long live carbon dioxide. Please focus on pollution and air filters instead.
I remember the first time I saw the clip from Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” that showed the Mann “hockey stick” graph. I remember starting to laugh, because as a lawyer with only modest familiarity with statistics, but great familiarity with tricks with statistics, I knew that any trend such as was shown in that graph was “too good to be true.” If it’s too good to be true, it usually isn’t. If it’s so off the charts that it looks unprecedented, it’s got to be wrong.
Now I know Steve McIntyre doesn’t like to use the word “fraud,” because he is a scientific guy and he is trying to get to the bottom of things, and properly so. But what folks must remember is that a lot of this work was being done in connection with the IPCC Second [?? – I don’t remember if it was second or third] Assessment. There has already been a lot of interchange between some of the more ambitious UN bureaucrats who are trying to make a case for political action with respect to climate change, as this had been going on for the previous ten years or so. I have to believe that in the interests of this closely-knit community, in which they all reinforced their mutual belief system, the stakes were high and no one wanted to appear uncertain about anything. So, they cheated a little bit. Well, a lot, in my opinion. You can claim that everyone’s motives were pure, but ahhh, believe me (I used to work in government, I’m quite familiar with the policy messes and confusion that unelected bureaucrats can make), they weren’t. You can claim the methods to be typical of science, but as Prof. Muller shows, they are not.
The scary part is that none of the mounting evidence against AGW, IPCC, Gore, Mann & co. seems to matter one iota. No matter how much we break down the false prophecies, lies, scary scenarios, hockey-sticks, etc. , when players like google get into the political AGW game, it is becoming less and less about something we can influence with hard evidence and more about finding partners that can influence masses. I hope the ever growing number of us that don’t believe in AGW, will someday soon change the mind of these AGW believers (like google and the MSM) into at least considering that the AGW prophets and “scientists” are not 100% right, that they don’t know what is going on and that much of the “science” is in fact fueled by greed for control, power and money and other inexplicable agendas. Vive la résistance!
Climate ‘science’ is no more. Instead it has mutated into an abnormal advocacy group to push the green agenda against fossil fuels. As with any belief system, any facts which would falsify its tenets are conveniently erased, or a hasty change is made to explain the anomaly.
Briffa and the rest of the useless bunch of CRU green agenda advocates have been found out and the CAGW meme is crumbling back to the dust from which it came.
Time to bring back the Spanish Inquisition!
“Time to bring back the Spanish Inquisition!”
One, two, three: “I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition!”
For alliteration, how about saying, “the letter liberator”? You call the e-mails “letters” in the subtitle of your book (“The CRUtape Letters”).
I like the subtle “dig” of your using the sixties-leftist’s OK-word for theft against the Team. (It was the word they used when, for instance, they invaded university offices and “liberated” documents therefrom.)
I suggest that henceforth our side relentlessly employ this term in describing the “hack”–it’ll be worth it to annoy the Other Side. E.g., refer to “liberated letters” (or documents, or ‘Lectronic Letters) rather than “hacked e-mails,” to “The Liberator” (be sure to use capitals!) whenever the other side uses “the hacker,” etc.