Nuclear meltdown: race to save reactors in Japan

So I have it from another source that the refueling floor is above the containment vessel and is where the explosion occurred and that there are likely steam lines to the turbines there. So it could still be a steam explosion but I am still betting on hydrogen.

Don’t know about the first statement, but the second one, “The amount of radiation detected inside the plant after 4:00 p.m. slightly exceeded the dose people can safely receive in a year”, left out the word “hourly”. IOW, they got a year’s worth in one hour, other people have commented that it is not a fatal dose by any stretch.

Problems with third reactor
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSLHE7EB02D20110312

The reactor and containment vessel:
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/rdbrewer/rpv800.jpg

I think it is possible to have fuel cladding temperatures around 1600 F where Zr gets oxidized (and produces hydrogen) but less than 2200 F where fuel damage generally begins. Particularly if the core was uncovered briefly and recovered several times as might happen with interrupted coolant flow or periodic steam releases. You would have some fission products released but not necessarily large amounts. The fission products could have been trapped in water in the containment which is why they have not been detected in significant quantities. They should be looking for noble gases which are not trapped in water.
Again, this ASSUMES that it was a H2 explosion in the reactor building. Could it have been H2 used for generator cooling that exploded in the turbine building?

Japan’s Chernobyl will not be televised: previous smaller nuclear incidents have been covered up ( with help from their controlled media ) according to one local source. It’s entirely possible that a radioactive cloud is already en route to America in less than 36 hours. Notice that no one is calling for stockpiling KI. I thought the government was going to take care of me
Are YOU in the path of radioactive fallout?
http://www.infowars.com/japanese-nuclear-meltdown-confirmed/
Immediately obtain a stockpile of Potassium Iodide pills and a radiation alert device http://www.ki4u.com/
Iodine deficiency is common and extremely unhealthy, and it makes you more vulnerable to radiation exposure.
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http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm
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Three Days Darkness
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“may you live in interesting times”

CNN has a headline “Meltdown May Be Under Way”
Flog that story boys . .

Pamela Gray says [snipped]:
March 12, 2011 at 10:33 am
Third, if that country is so prepared for a tsunami, why all the towns, roads, railroads, and businesses sitting on the beach? These design flaws go way back. And Japan is not the only country guilty of such flaws. At the individual level, humans make the same mistakes. They build on sand and have become spoiled on the idea that someone else will provide their abundant “necessities” of life.
Pamela-
I will take a stab at answering some of your concerns. My claim to expertise is that I lived in Japan for 15 years and travelled widely in the country, first as an “explorer” in 1970 and again in 1978 to gather material for a travel guide book. I have travelled on roads close to the shore, much like the one flowed over by the tsunami- I might have even travelled on that very one. I had many months to observe the reality of Japanese life.
The topography of Japan is mostly mountains with relatively flat valleys between them. Much of the flat land was farmed for rice in the past (and terraced where necessary) and is now, in addition, where people live, work, and do business. Only a relatively small part of the populace live in the mountains. The density of settlement is beyond the comprehension of most people from “the West”, though parts of Europe might understand the crowding. Virtually no square inch of territory is not used for something, right down to the beaches. So we can’t blame them for trying to use all available land. They didn’t choose to build so close to the water- it was just necessity because the rest of the land was still in agriculture or already taken up for other purposes. As for the nuclear power plants, I am sure that they are near the sea as a source of cooling water.
IanM

Fred from Canuckistan says:
March 12, 2011 at 2:59 pm
“CNN has a headline “Meltdown May Be Under Way”
Flog that story boys . .”
No kidding. Was just watching that. Wolf Blitzer had the Japanese ambassador to the US on. He didn’t tell him a scary enough story so, as CNN now does all the time, they turned to one of their own airhead ‘journalists’ for their ‘expert’ report which of course was much scarier. CNN is still great at getting video coverage of world events but when it comes to interpreting them they are a total joke.
In the meantime, flipped to see what the BBC was flogging, in the midst of all these major world events, and they had a one hour story about how they aren’t nice to gays in Africa.

“The Soviet Union may have died, but the Soviet mind-set has not.”
“Lured by tales of mammals unknown in Europe since the Dark Ages, we’re setting out on an atomic safari.”
“Chernobyl, My Primeval, Teeming, Irradiated Eden
Twenty-five years after the Soviet-era meltdown drove 60,000 people from their homes in the Ukraine, a rebirth is taking place inside the exclusion zone. With Geiger counter in hand, the author explores Europe’s strangest wildlife refuge, an enchanted postapocalyptic forest from which entirely new species may soon emerge.
By Henry Shukman
THE WILD BOAR IS STANDING 30 OR 40 yards away, at the bottom of a grassy bank, staring right at me. Even from this distance I can see its outrageously long snout, its giant pointed ears, and the spiny bristles along its back. It looks part porcupine, a number of shades of ocher and gray. And it’s far bigger than I expected, maybe chest-high to a man. The boar is like some minor forest god straight from the wilderness, gazing wild-eyed at the strange spectacle of a human being. For a moment it seems to consider charging me, then thinks better of it. When it trots away, it moves powerfully, smoothly, on spindly, graceful legs twice as long as a pig’s, and vanishes into the trees.
I climb back into our VW van, tingling all over. The sighting bodes well. I’ve come to what is being dubbed Europe’s largest wildlife refuge in early July, when I knew spotting animals wouldn’t be so easy. (Winter, with its scarcity of food and lack of foliage, makes them more visible.) And within a couple of hours I’ve ticked a wild boar off the list. Maybe luck is on our side.
But luck isn’t our only obstacle to wildlife spotting here. This is northern Ukraine’s Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, a huge area, some 60 miles across in places, that’s been off-limits to human habitation since 1986. Even now, 19 years after the collapse of the USSR, nothing happens in this former Soviet republic without sheets of paper typed and stamped in quintuplicate. It took months of e-mails and phone calls to get permission to spend a few days here. Yes, we’re only a couple of foreign vagabonds—photographer Rory Carnegie is an old travel buddy of mine from England—but we have cameras and a telephoto lens, and my notepad has lines in it: obviously we’re spies. The Soviet Union may have died, but the Soviet mind-set has not.
At the Chernobyl Center, a kind of make­shift reception building in the heart of the old town, I had to hand over a solid nine inches of local bills—hryvnia, pronounced approximately like the sound of a cardsharp riffling a deck—sign a stack of agreements, compliances, and receipts, and then get checked on an Austin Powers–style Geiger counter made out of chrome. Finally, under the protection of a guide, a driver, and an interpreter, we were free to set off into the zone—as long as we did exactly what our guide said.
A handful of dilapidated roads cross the zone, half-overgrown with weeds and grasses, and the whole area is littered with pockets of intense radiation, but nature doesn’t seem to mind. All nature seems to care about is that the people, along with their domestic animals, are for the most part gone. The zone is reverting to one big, untamed forest, and it all sounds like a fantastic success story for nature: remove the humans and the wilderness bounces right back. Lured by tales of mammals unknown in Europe since the Dark Ages, we’re setting out on an atomic safari.”
http://outsideonline.com/adventure/travel-pf-201103-chernobyl-wildlife-refuge-sidwcmdev_154483.html

Is not comparing wind and nuclear a bit useless? Wind needs 100 percent backup to provide that 70-80 percent of the time it is unavailable.