Zero Carbon living…didn’t quite work out. Didn’t they do some calculations on this first? Sheesh.
Looks like some sort of Noah’s Ark sort of design. I suppose that was the idea.
Zero Carbon living…didn’t quite work out. Didn’t they do some calculations on this first? Sheesh.
Looks like some sort of Noah’s Ark sort of design. I suppose that was the idea.
>>Sal Minella says: February 25, 2011 at 9:39 am
>>Ralph,
>>At any rate, the whole project makes no economic or pollution reduction
>>sense. That was easy to determine ahead of time so, there must be some
>>other rationale behind it.
Yep – its called the doctrine of the Green Religion.
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Those door seals look pretty robust…
Fill the Ark with water and load it with sharks.
(I don’t mean the politicians and warm scientists…)
It would be a great educational display for predator behavior.
Somehow when I mention sharks and predators the CAGW folks do come to mind…..
Too bad the sharks need a daily dose of carbon food (fish).
Maybe that counts as carbon sequestering?
…and aren’t sharks in danger of being endangered?
It’s all good then. For Education, For Carbon, For the Planet…
Funny. These things are great. They will become symbols of folly.
Maybe best to plan for both the eco and non-eco options to waste less money.
This should have gone into the Friday Funnies section.
Let’s see:
• You can’t use it in summer because the kids are on their summer holidays.
•Even if they had summer classes what happens on rainy or overcast days? (quite common in London summers) .
Some have suggested it might be useful for the Caribbean, but what will the energy be used for. Lighting? They got windows and plenty of sunshine. Ceiling fans maybe.
@ur momisugly Ralph:
“My twin turbo diesel large 5-door family saloon does 48 mpg on mixed driving (not too heavy a right foot). Take it on a run and keep the speed at 55, and it will push 65 mpg.”
Couldn’t tell if you were serious.
If so, what year, make & model Saloon do you have?
‘All this will teach kids is how poorly planned and costly local authorities projects can be.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360297/25-000-eco-classroom-used-solar-panels-dont-provide-heat.html#ixzz1F5op29Yq
And a fine lesson it is, too. Much more valuable than the propaganda they are usually fed.
Could they try doubling the CO2 content of the room to about 980PPM? Shouldn’t be toxic at that level and we’d finally know if a doubling of CO2 would cause a runaway greenhouse effect. Or not.
In the early 1970’s, Antioch College built a 32,000 sq. ft. PVC dome “classroom” at its Columbia MD campus. To my vague recollection, “The Bubble” (as it was popularly named) was full of bean bag chairs and long-haired students. It fostered many of the activities one might envision at a “media center” housed in a “bubble” in the 1970’s.
Now, Antioch is gone and so is The Bubble.
I have a strange sense that The Living Ark might have been the same sort of enterprise as The Bubble.
http://www.factoryschool.com/url/antioch-columbia/index.html
Ralph,
Don’t know if you are still hanging around this thread but, it seems that the best criteria for comparing the efficiency of the D bus vs the H bus is to calculate cost in dollars/mi or pounds/km as this is the only meaningful metric when it comes to spending taxpayers money. Assuming a equipment cost delta of 650000 pounds and a platform life of 300,000km the H bus comes out of the chute with a 2.16 pound per km cost greater than the D bus.
When I calculated the relative efficiencies of the fuels I used direct nat gas vs nat gas converted to hydrogen and came up with a 20% H efficiency and a 22% direct nat gas efficiency. That calculation did not take into account the fuel that is needed to produce the steam for the methane reforming process.
All in all the H production route is more polluting in that it is less efficient at least when comparing direct nat gas with reformed nat gas. In order to compare diesel you would need to know cost differences and mileage differences for the two fuels.
Bottom line is this: with a platform cost differential 0f 2.16 pounds per mile the fuel is a moot point. Taxpayer money is being squandered!! Worse yet the money for these colossal piles of steaming “technology” was borrowed so, you get to pay the interest on the loan as well.
Cheers.
jrwakefield says:
Will the ideologs ever learn that they cannot defy the laws of physics…
Probably not. I doubt they even know them. Especially the Laws of Thermodynamics (#2 in particular)
It never ceases to amaze me how many enviro-fanatics seem to think they can get MORE energy out of a system than they put in.
Obviously built according to assumptions based on IPCC projected warming. By 2010 this baby should be toasty warm all year round! /sarc
Ok jog my memory, what was that dome that was built in I think Arizona, to great fanfare totally enclosed self contained sustainable, is the structure still around?
aeroguy48 says:
February 27, 2011 at 11:23 am
“Ok jog my memory, what was that dome that was built in I think Arizona, to great fanfare totally enclosed self contained sustainable, is the structure still around?”
You mean this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
DirkH says:
February 27, 2011 at 11:45 am
“You mean this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
”
“Since opening a window was impossible, the structure also required huge air conditioners to control the temperature and avoid killing the plants within. For every unit of solar energy that entered the structure, the air conditioners would expend approximately three times as much energy to cool the habitat back down.”
That is just too funny… a totally sustainable mini-biosphere… only that it needs a huge A/C unit all of the time.
Ralph says:
February 25, 2011 at 7:29 pm
My twin turbo diesel large 5-door family saloon does 48 mpg on mixed driving (not too heavy a right foot). Take it on a run and keep the speed at 55, and it will push 65 mpg.
I’m impressed. My car is considered one of the most fuel efficient German diesels and makes about 55 mpg, 63 at best (47 on a freeway with air conditioning on).