From Climate Science Watch , their take on the issue, though a bit political, shows how it is viewed:
Just before 2 a.m. on February 19, the war on climate science showed its grip on the U.S. House of Representatives as it voted to eliminate U.S. funding for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The Republican majority, on a mostly party-line vote of 244-179, went on record as essentially saying that it no longer wishes to have the IPCC prepare its comprehensive international climate science assessments. Transcript of floor debate follows.
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The amendment was sponsored by second-term Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-Missouri), who obviously knows nothing about climate science or the IPCC, and I expect could care less. His talking points were clearly provided by some denial machine operative and Mr. Leutkemeyer simply followed the script. Leading off with a reference to the stolen climate scientists emails (‘climategate’), he said:
Luetkemeyer: Scientists manipulated climate data, suppressed legitimate arguments in peer-reviewed journals, and researchers were asked to destroy emails, so that a small number of climate alarmists could continue to advance their environmental agenda.
Since then, more than 700 acclaimed international scientists have challenged the claims made by the IPCC, in this comprehensive 740-page report. These 700 scientists represent some of the most respected institutions at home and around the world, including the U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense, U.S. Air Force and Navy, and even the Environmental Protection Agency.
For example, famed Princeton University physicist Dr. Robert Austin, who has published 170 scientific papers and was elected a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. Dr. Austin told a congressional committee that, unfortunately, climate has become a political science. It is tragic the some perhaps well-meaning but politically motivated scientists who should know better have whipped up a global frenzy about a phenomenon which is statistically questionable at best.
Mr. Chairman, if the families in my district have been able to tighten their belts, surely the federal government can do the same and stop funding an organization that is fraught with waste and abuse. My amendment simply says that no funds in this bill can go to the IPCC. This would save taxpayers millions of dollars this year and millions of dollars in years to come. In fact, the President has requested an additional $13 million in his fiscal 2012 budget request.
My constituents should not have to continue to foot the bill for an organization to keep producing corrupt findings that can be used as justification to impose a massive new energy tax on every American.
That is now the prevailing viewpoint of the majority party in the U.S. House of Representatives.
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This comes on the heels of defunding some EPA programs and voting to take control of GHG regulations away from the EPA.
House votes to block EPA’s global warming power
(AP)
The Republican-controlled House has voted to block the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases that scientists say cause global warming.
The 249-177 vote added the regulation ban to a sweeping spending bill that would fund the government through Sept. 30. The restriction is opposed by the Obama administration, which is using its regulatory powers to curb greenhouse gases after global warming legislation collapsed last year. The administration also says the ban would cost thousands of construction jobs.
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Walt Man:
“IPCC funding make no visible dent in the economy of most countries.”
Sheesh Walt, do you really believe that? Seriously. For folks who proclaim the ability to see so clearly into the future, that statement is most ludicrous. It’s either the typical “nothing to see here” deflection, or is spoken out of naivete. I’m thinking the former. A few folks touched upon the elephant in the room you’re missing:
Rhoda R: “[T]he IPCC was being used to try to engineer a world government.” Rocky H also points out that the IPCC “uses that money to spread disinformation” among a few other such comments but they still do not capture the actual impacts on humanity, the “visible dent” we would all feel when their heels are upon our throats.
To your point WALT, do you have any idea whatsoever what that “visible dent” would look like, especially upon the lives of the world’s poorest? Do you have a clue as to what the futures these lupine shepherds intend to dictate to us all will be like were we forced down the ugly path of the misnomered Sustainable Development agenda pimped by the IPCC/UNFCCC?
Perhaps in your case it really is naivete because one simply has to read their written words to understand the impacts of their proudly transparent agenda. The butterfly effect applies to your petty penny argument. Continued funding at any level of these morally corrupt organizations increases the likelihood that we will see the wealth of the world essentially cut in half! By the words of the IPCC itself the “visible dent” would be about $200 trillion per year by 2100! Visible enough for you Walt?
I’ve made the argument plenty before, but the only things sustained under their agenda are poverty and misery. Cut their funding immediately. They are parasites hellbent on incapacitating their hosts and then consuming the power they are so desperate to wield.
Why do they deserve any pennies? As Johanna noted, yours is a silly argument. Would you “pitch in” to buy the weapon that would be cultured and grown and eventually used to execute you? I’ll send you a whole roll of pennies if you’re into such self-flagellation. I’m not, so I’ll hang onto a few rolls myself to clench within my fists as I personally wage war on this agenda. I’m with Willis on this one. Time to go for the aspen stake.
I provided backup of my arguments last summer on The Air Vent using the IPCC’s figures and their vision is “unequivocally” an ugly, deadly one. In that case it was to counter Bart’s claims that the proposed CO2 mitigation schemes wouldn’t be “very disruptive to the global economy.” Give it a read Walt if you have the opportunity, then do some independent homework. Apply the scientific method to your own dogma. Your brain (and brethren) will thank you for it.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/uns-ideal-global-government/
Cheers!
Walt Man apparently hasn’t been here much to see how much damage the IPCC’s political hacks have been doing in their quest to try to rule the world. I say, millions for the defense of our liberties, not one cent for the IPCC! Lol!
Strangely, not a single British news organisation has reported this.
No mention of it – anywhere.
Splendid news! It could only have been those in the ‘land of the free’ who would stand against the idiocy of the IPCC. Now, please do the same with the EU’s ETS. Oh, and while you’re at it, could you hack the UK’s carbon trading system too – the relevant UK ministers are too damned smug when they proclaim that the UK carbon register is among the most secure in the EU. The fixation with carbon in the country is ludicrous and downright scary.
God bless America. Many of us in the UK and around the world look to the US to lead us out of this obsession with CO2 and its apocolyptic fantasies
About the GISS; it has been told to cancel all its “climate” programs, and concentrate exclusively on space. The Goddard Institute for Space Studies currently has zero space programs. It will have to totally re-tool and get back to its original mandate!
PS: M. Mann is an employee of GISS.
Another unemployable hits the streets! Yay!
But I’m sure there’s a slot for him somewhere in the Soros global octopus. Worth watching to see where he ends up … if it’s not in jail for RICO violations!
I look forward to the day when the Senate turns to conservatism. While the God-thumpers among them churn my stomach and are no better than the liberal Gaia-thumpers, I only gag once or twice in response to the former, but am sick for days on end in response to the latter.
However, lately, I am seeing a welcome separation of church and state amongst conservatives, as in lets all agree to stay out of our constituents’ bedrooms and marriage license contracts. Not so among liberals. They seem to have embraced pagan-state worship hook, line, and stinker, heralding the idea that each of us must be subjugated to the new god, Mother Earth. What does this subjugation mean? Tyranny is now the color of Democrats. And I used to be one.
Pamela Gray says:
February 20, 2011 at 7:00 am (Edit)
I sincerely hope you are right Pamela. I don’t believe that religion has any place in government other than to create and guarantee the social space for religions to operate without bugging anybody not of their ilk.
This rush by so many fundamentalists to take political power by using their pulpits to garner votes is painfully sick making, particularly in America which really is the Emerald City on the hill for so many democrats in the world. Is there a difference between one group of religious fundamentalists and another?
Just on basic political fundamentals the Republicans knock the Democrats into a cocked hat.
The sole purpose of the IPCC is to conjur scientific “projections” from global climate models based on dubious initial conditions as “proof” of manmade global warming to provide the UN – a collection of socialist and communist countries, monarchies, theocracies, and kleptocracies – the justification to cut the legs out from underneath the evil, capitalist, environmentally antagonistic United States.
MickT says:
February 20, 2011 at 4:48 am
God bless America. Many of us in the UK and around the world look to the US to lead us out of this obsession with CO2 and its apocolyptic fantasies
It may happen here but not for the reasons one would think. There are projected to be one million more house foreclosures this year. Ben Bernanke and co. have been printing money (and adding zeros to big bank’s accounts on top of the printing of money) for two years. The lag time from the printing of money that started two years ago till the time inflation hits from it is now starting. It will continue to go up because the printing of money is continuing to go up. Businesses that have been teetering on closing since the crash of two years ago will close as inflation grows and they lose customers because they are reining in spending. Unemployment will go up. The dollar is intentionally being debased. Soon recession will turn into depression.
With that happening the defunding global warming will be just the beginning of cuts. And Democrats will eventually agree to those cuts, having no alternative. I’m afraid social security will even take a hit. There will be military cuts too. But the military is too big in America anyway. It never needed to grow as big as it is now.
America never really got back on its feet after the depression of the 30’s until WWII started. Some are predicting only another WW will get America back on its feet now, maybe 10 years or so from now. I hope and pray that prediction is wrong.
Excellent, Walt. I’m so pleased to hear you enthusiastically take up Amino’s offer. In that same spirit of enthusiasm, I think it would be much more worthwhile if you could provide us with some manner of contact information, so those in these fora can liaise with you directly. We can’t be clogging up these threads with off topic issues. An email would probably suffice.
That way, the not insignificant viewership of WUWT may individually contact you directly to exchange particulars for a $0.01 contribution.
I know this won’t be an undue financial burden for you. After all, it’s only $0.01 each, right?
Right, Walt?
Walt.
Walt?
Now that I’ve made my point, perhaps now you can see the patent absurdity of your original point. Enough pennies can add up to a lot of money. It’s exactly your attitude that has justified the wasteful expenditure of tens (hundreds? more?) of billions of dollars over the years, segmented up into relatively smaller amounts. And, it’s exactly the reason every country in the Western world finds itself drowning in debt, with annual deficits as far as the eye can see. While it’s certainly not the total solution, it’s time to start cutting some of those damn, useless pennies.
With due respect, Pamela, this kind of unnecessary and gratuitous shot at people of faith is in extremely poor taste (on a Sunday, no less). It falls in the same category of slurs as the “denier” meme out of the alarmist camp. It isn’t helpful, it will disengage people who would otherwise be your ally on the CAWG file, and as previously stated, reflects badly on you. I would suggest you consider your words more carefully in future.
Galvanize says:
February 19, 2011 at 8:48 am
Blessings from across the pond!
Is it up to the Senate to drive this nail home?
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If the Senate leaves these amendments in the Bill, (which I doubt will go unchanged), it will then get ratified and will go to President Obama who has the power of veto. Its unlikely he would veto the Bill over the EPA, Climate Change, and IPCC issues (assuming they are still in the Bill). If he exercises a veto, Congress can override the veto and enact the legislation.
A lot of this is posturing but the newly elected GOP Freshman have a public mandate from their States to Cut Waste. Polls indicate a majority of Republicans and Independents do not believe Climate Change is a serious issue worthy of funding. A majority of Democrats believe the reverse so it will be an interesting aspect of the process.
My guess, Senate Democrats will abandon IPCC and Climate Change funding and pass these amendments. They realize, if the EPA is restricted by Congress, Congress will then need to debate and legislate the Climate Change and Carbon issues. They are likely to push this down the road in the hope they do better in the next election and can then pass the Bill they want in Warmer weather.
As a US taxpayer, I don’t think its logic for the US to support corrupt UN agencies but it also isn’t logical to pull all funding for climate research. US funding for the IPCC is a drop in the bucket when compared to NASA, NOAA, DOE etc.
I’d prefer to see the US, with the support of other countries, clip the UNFCCC’s wings, disband the IPCC in favor of an International Science group we can all trust, and broaden the climate research issues so we end up with some bang for all the bucks we’ve invested.
Defund the EPA by 95%!
Defund the UN by 100%!
Brian H says:
February 20, 2011 at 6:07 am
About the GISS; it has been told to cancel all its “climate” programs, and concentrate exclusively on space. The Goddard Institute for Space Studies currently has zero space programs. It will have to totally re-tool and get back to its original mandate!
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I read about this today! in fact I enjoyed reading as a child that I could one day enjoy living in space, it’s so sad that America and the rest of the worlds amazing space programs and they have been replaced by “climate change” crap that are rolling back industry and it’s peoples to the stone age. to this day there is not even one live video feed from space. What? is space a secret now?
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TheTempestSpark says:
February 20, 2011 at 3:28 pm
“to this day there is not even one live video feed from space. ”
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
Click on the tab to the right: “Live Space Station Video”
In a shrewd move by the House GOP, they defunded some of the “Green Agenda” that irks a lot of thier constituents and independent conservatives alike. The Dem Senate and the President could look very bad if they directly block or veto based on keeping that part of their Agenda alive.
The GOP has the high ground on this one. Thier twin points of pocketbooks and govt. spending is a killer app.
Mother Theresa, Jimmy Carter, the IPCC, and other winners of the Nobel Peace Prize may well have done so for their good intentions, but hardly for their Scientific Activities.
Rep. Waxman is unfortunately full of Malarkey on this point.
The party’s over….
TheTempestSpark says:
February 20, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Brian H says:
February 20, 2011 at 6:07 am
About the GISS; it has been told to cancel all its “climate” programs, and concentrate exclusively on space. The Goddard Institute for Space Studies currently has zero space programs. It will have to totally re-tool and get back to its original mandate!
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I read about this today!
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Where? Link please if it is handy, with thanks in advance. That sound verrrry significant.
IPCC… International Pinnochios Chamber of Commerce.
Two corrections:
IPCC…
InternationalIntergovernmentalPinnochiosPinocchios’ Chamber of Commerce.Otherwise, not tea bags! 😉
“So around 0.05% of cosmetic spend (a personal choice of course) is spent by the US on the IPCC.”
But obviously it did not buy enough lipstick to make the IPCC pig look pretty.
Its about time, cut the funding for this fake BS. Next CUT the NEA and keep going. You guys that think man is powerful enough to change the climate, keep dreaming you naive fool.