This entry below is unashamedly pinched from Bishop Hill, who I don’t think will mind, since at the bottom I’m giving a link to him where a raging and somewhat related debate is going on right now.
He writes:
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More scratching of heads among the chattering classes as they try to work out why nobody believes their global warming propaganda – next week they are all jetting off to Norway for a chat about what to do:
We cordially invite you to the seminar Carbonundrums: From Science to Headlines as well as to the ensuing debate New Realities, New Narratives in Climate Reporting, on Tuesday 8th of February 2011 at Litteraturhuset. We will address important questions such as: How is the press reporting on climate change? What can we learn from Climategate? How should we communicate scientific uncertainty? What determines how people perceive climate change?
Panellists include Fiona Fox, Bob Ward, Roger Harrabin, Fred Pearce, Naomi Oreskes and Rasmus Benestad. That’s one very large carbon footprint!
The whole thing will be webcast here.
(H/T Billy)
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Funny how this comes on the heels of the Lisbon conference, which seems to be driving AGW proponents like Joe Romm absolutely batshit crazy. Bish has quite the discussion on it here.
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Carbon is for me not for thee.
They really need to invite Mother Nature and ask her to look at the model projections and start performing according to script.
Don’t be standing around Cowboys stadium with all that ice and snow on the roof. When all that snow and ice comes sliding off, it will put you in the hospital or kill you.
It’s a laugh riot watching the the CNN news anchors, especially the women anchors, trying to laugh off the weather news in Dallas.
They act like it’s a joke or something. The joke is on them and the cognitive dissonance they are experiencing due to their impenetrable belief system in man-made global warming they have been pushing their entire carriers is on display in living color.
Yep, they ignore the 800lb. gorilla in the room-that the northern hemisphere is covered with snow and the human population still has eyesight, though I’m sure the powers that be are working on that little detail.
Norway in February. Heh heh. These Warmists crack me up.
Thanks so much for this important news and this wonderful opportunity to comment.
1. First of all, can some sceptic attend this conference as an observer? We need someone who can soak up a lot of information, process it intelligently, and report here. Willis Eschenbach would be excellent. There are others.
2. Second of all, here is a response to the quotation, taken one assertion at a time:
“We will address important questions such as: How is the press reporting on climate change?” They continue to be slavishly and hysterically pro-AGW though they are forced to report that all so-called “predictions” from Warmista are false and some dangerously so.
3. “What can we learn from Climategate?” That no one will believe Warmista until the main perpetrators of deception, especially Mann and Jones, are punished for creating a conspiracy to shape their so-called scientific results to serve political ends. That all the raw data collected by Jones, Hansen, whomever, now and in the future, must be publicly shared and that all “smoothing” of the data must be justified in a manner that satisfies sceptics and professional statisticians.
4. “How should we communicate scientific uncertainty? This is the most important point. Warmista must admit that they have not one reasonably well-confirmed physical hypothesis which can be used to explain and predict something, whether we call it “climate,” “weather,” or “whatever.” That is the proper communication of uncertainty that Warmista are duty bound as scientists to make now. In short, Warmista must admit that their so-called “science” has nothing to say about the future impact of CO2 on Earth’s temperature. Specifically, Warmista can neither explain nor predict the forcings that they believe will increase the impact of manmade CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere. As the Warmista admit, only these forcings can cause dangerous temperature increases. Roy Spencer’s book “The Great Global Warming Blunder” should be the starting point for discussions of these matters. Warmista have statistical hypotheses aplenty and just as many novel statistical techniques, but not one reasonably confirmed physical hypothesis and not one statistical technique that meets the approval of professional statisticians.
5. What determines how people perceive climate change? The primary determinant is the media drumbeat that AGW will cause global doom this century. The media love this drumbeat just as they loved reports on violent death in Vietnam, especially of innocents, massacres and skeletal prisoners in camps in Bosnia, 9/11, Israeli combat in Gaza or the West Bank, and anything that will increase pulse rates among their audience. Genuine scientists would abhor this media practice and do everything in their power to separate themselves from the drumbeat of doom. Aside from this fact, there are the numerous occasions, especially ClimateGate, in which pro-AGW scientists have engaged in conspiracy to deceive the public, produced false predictions, produced outrageous theories and yet claimed the moral high ground of science in their defense. The public in the USA is aware of this behavior and will in all cases seek proof that it is not present in any new communication from the pro-AGW camp. Finally, there is the word ‘denier’. The pro-AGW camp’s use of this word has won for it a place right up there with ‘redneck’, ‘wetback’, and ‘nigger’.
Any more questions?
I new it. What good can come from a EU sponsored Climate Reconciliation Meeting?
I’m almost sure the objective was to gather more insight’s why their propaganda machinery got stuck. But maybe they can have a look outside the window when their planes arrive in Norway and ask about the antique snow plough train their neighbors
had to pull from a railway museum clear their rail tracks.
http://www.thelocal.se/31104/20101227/
Or maybe they could ask how many times they had to dynamite ice lakes to keep the hydro plants running this winter season.
And maybe it would help if they simply stopped lying about Global Warming and it’s causes.
I’m afraid they will never learn.
Saturday funny
Klip O’Toole – Chief of Climate Police – Episode Two
And for you Anthony,
Klip O’toole Episode 04
Maybe they are going to discuss the disappearing ICE (Internal Combustion Engine). But then they will have to explain why automobile sales went up 9% world wide last year. Maybe they are flying over to put more contrails in the sky to cool the world off a bit and use up carbon based fuel that could foul the lower atmosphere. /sarc off
Joe Romm is in the year of trouble. EPA woman is history. Judge rules one more time against illegal offshore drilling embargoes. The winter has arrived. Cold and wet.
The human element of global warming comes from hand waving.
There are far more important and immediate issues in the public consciousness these days than some obscure conference in an even more obscure town. What’s going on in the Middle East for example. Or in my backyard garden.
I think these folks are just upset about being upstaged. It’s very hard on the ego, when one realizes that one is irrelevant.
Oh and related to the previous post on Proposition 23: Why doesn’t California shut down all their airports, remove all the fuel guzzling military bases, National Guard, and Coast Guard bases; increase their fuel tax to $10 per gallon and issue everyone a bicycle. No need for Cap and Trade then. Carbon problem solved as most two legged carbon life forms would quickly emigrate to Oregon, Washington, Nevada and Mexico. Then Arnie and Al Gore can have cocktails with Charlie Sheen at Al’s beach side mansion and congratulate themselves on their success. No ice of course. No carbon based power. /sarc off
The new spin on all this snow, and I’m not kidding, is that because the Artic is heating up the cold has to go somewhere. The scientific mind at it’s best.
Looks like most of Norway has at LEAST 4′ of snow on the ground right now.
Mountain ski resorts about 250 to 300 cm (7 to 9 feet).
I’m sure these media wonks can get in some good SKIING while discussing how to promote GoreBull Warming. Maybe some of them will be stupid enough to be interviewed, outdoors, snow falling…winter clothes on, standing on skis, whining about the loss of the polar bears. Even MORE entertaining if we could get a polarbear to chase them down the slope!
If they are savvy enough to know about webcasts, why not a video conference and a lower footprint? Something does not compute!
There are folks who can predict the weather claiming that we may be in a 20 to 30 year cooling cycle. If we are; will we blame the cooling on the heating?
(Do we ever blame the heating on the cooling?)
The Hypocrisy Crowd. Do as I say, not as I do, and the more you do as I say, the more I can do as I may. When and if the sheep that still believe the BS these people are shoveling wake up; maybe then these hypocrites can take their rightful spot…in jail!
What a weird thing for carbon lifeforms to be doing. You would think none of them know what carbon is all about … Photosynthesis and cellular respiration, what odd concepts, that use carbon. I wonder, do they know what earth would look like if we puny humans could reduce atmospheric CO2 to zero?
You can fake the science, but hiding the ice and snow is not going to work.
Bum Candor Runs: ‘Numb Crud Sonar’ detects ‘Mourn and Scrub’ from ‘Nomad Burn Curs’ seeking ‘Snub Drum Acorn’ in ‘Carbon Mud Urns’ during ‘Random Sun Curb’.
Businesses like mine and those much larger alike are doing whatever we can in the way of WebEx meetings and teleconferences to cut down on costs. These leeches seem to care neither about cost nor carbon… the gravy train keeps on rolling for the climate charlatans.
In Sweden this video is blocked by Sony on copyright grounds. I expect it is the same in many countries.
Well, here’s the thing.
If you are going to argue for limits on “greenhouse gases” then you must show that there is some kind of a problem with them.
To date there is no evidence that the recent spell of warm temperatures were unusual in either magnitude or rate of change. They fall within the typical range of the natural variation seen on this planet over the past 1000 years. One thing that tends to obscure all of this is that we have just come out of the coldest period of the past 7000 years (the LIA) and the oceans might still be recovering from that event (and might continue to recover for another hundred years or two) as the abyssal deep continues to get a little bit warmer. It is much easier to cool the deep ocean than it is to warm it, mainly because cold water sinks. It takes a lot longer to warm it up than it takes to cool it down.
So the onus is still on those who would demand we spend billions of dollars and change our lifestyle to:
A: show that there is a problem that is outside of natural variation.
B: show that we are the ones responsible for it.
C: show that any of their proposed changes will have any measurable impact.
To date they have shown none of the above. Until they do, they sound to me like Charlie Brown’s teacher (wuah, wuah, wuah … wuah wuah … wuah wuah wuah). And for those outside the US who might not get that cultural reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
The sad thing is that children coming out of our school systems today have been taught all their lives that “greenhouse gases” are dangerous and must be controlled. It is just fact to them, they have been indoctrinated in that since kindergarten and their library is full of such books. There is not a single book with a counter argument or one that shows that client varies naturally to the same extent we have seen anywhere in their libraries.
THAT is where people need to be exposed to multiple points of view.
Methinks Fred better make up with Gavin before Fred gets to Norway – otherwise the surrogates may get him.
I cannot think of a more dubious person to include on this panel than Oreskes.
Why no bona fide skeptical columnists – such as Larry Solomon or, god forbid, Bjorn Lomborg?
I simply do not understand how a conversation among ardent warmistas is going to shed light on how to better convince a growing number of skeptical taxpayers and voters that something needs to be done. It is like having focus groups of only Pepsi drinkers talking about how to take market share away from CocaCola.
The big argument re: Lisbon, Pearce etc is here:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/2/5/the-big-cutoff.html
What’s the name of this seminar again? Was this one “The No-Talent Hacks’ Guide to Leeching Taxpayer Monies for Self-Promotion and Personal Wealth?”
I thought they already did that one….several times at least….